Do you feel safe on the Luas?

At times no, I was on it at 16:30 twice last week when open fights started out on the tram and yes right in the middle of rush hour. Yes there are security but them mainly hang around Abby street. THey need to start hanging around Huston- Rialto. Thats where most of the trouble starts. Some amount of scum on the Red Line, it's unreal.

Yes generally but I would have to consider traveling past Heuston once the evening rush hour is over. No problems with The Point-Heuston at night.

I think it has improved a lot to what it was even in the city center.

Red line past Heuston at night...no thanks. Green line is perfectly safe at all hours.

n97 mini wrote: »

Past Heuston in which direction? My own experience is between Heuston and Connolly is where all the sh*t happens (granted I've not a lot of experience west of Hesuton). Complete absence of Gardai too. Used to be said Gardai were all culchies and afraid of what goes on in Dublin's rougher spots, but I think there is an element of truth to it.

I have never witnessed any major problems between Heuston-Connolly at night think nights are probably safer than day time. If I am being really honest the Red Luas is much safer than walking past that Londis shop on Westmoreland street.

As for the Gardai, perhaps lack of them is a bigger factor.

Towards Tallaght from Heuston you have problems on the Luas and external ones.

Its fine normally IMO. To the poster above, the Green and Red lines will NOT join , they will cross but they won't join , a Green tram will not run on a Red line and vice versa.

ForstalDave wrote: »

The red line can be horrible so many scum openly robbing or fighting and generanly if you say anything you get thumped really needs constant security on it

If they want to sort out the problems and send a message out to the scummers they literally would need security on every tram at this stage.

I think the problem is that the beefed up Eastern European security guys are actually afraid of large gangs tracksuit wearing teenagers and from what I've seen they'd prefer spend their time making sure everyone but them has a valid ticket.

At the end of the day what the city needs is a dedicated transport police to travel on the Luas, Dublin Bus and the DART as well as policing Busaras, Connolly, Hueston (both inside and out on the Luas platform). Bus and train stations the world over attract vagrants who make passengers uncomfortable by begging before even getting to the station. When people are on a tram they are a captive market for beggars as they can't go anywhere.

It'll be interesting to see what happens when the Luas extension opens and suddenly the ghetto that is Broombridge will have a direct rail link with leafy Ranelagh.

Germany have huge gang problems but the police do get respect and usually are not messed with as they are armed and kitted out properly.


Luas, bus or train they all need security and the judges and courts need to have things changed.

Everybody including politicians are afraid to come out and say things need to be done as they are afraid they will be called racist or discriminating against certain types.

Stop giving free travel to these scum and if they cause hassel boot them off and ban them.

Celly Smunt wrote: »

Every station has a security hut,plenty of undercover security and heavy on cctv. Also not uncommon to have the police walk through and hop from stop to stop.

The Ubahn and Sbahn don't have security on the train itself, however trouble is deterred from entering the platforms in the first place.

And if trouble comes up, one of the responsible police forces usualy responds within short time frames.

On German trains depending under which mandate they operate you can have up to 3 different police forces in play.

They have the federal police (uniformed) which is acting as railway police in trains and stations, the state police which again does trains/stations/regional/local transport and in some cities the city police (uniformed but no weapons) which is dealing with beggers etc.. Plus there is loads of undercover work going on.

Traveling without a ticket in Germany is also criminal offence however the company operating the transport can deceide if they want to press charges.

However due to the german law requiring you to have identification papers they don't have bogus info, if you don't have id than theyn call the police who very quickly finds out who you are. And if you are a seral offender it's in the public interest to press criminal charges.

However all of that does not realy work because according to the federal crime statistic still reports a large amount of acts with an estimated 3.5% of total travelers not having a valid ticket.

I know sounds bad 3.5%, i'm sure in the eveing on the red line it's more than 75%.

stehyl15 wrote: »

Yes I feel safe on the luas after dark. First of all i hate people who complain that hueston, conolly are full of scumbags and theyre a disgrace to the country and they dont feel safe blah blah blah. Look every main train/bus station or major transport interchange in europe are in kips of areas with all sorts of characters junkies, beggers and pickpockets. Hold on to your handbags people this is nothing new and is not unique to Ireland. People hold on to their handbags and just get with their buisness. It is not a problem and is one of the drawbacks of public transport hubs it is something we just have get used and live with man up.

Hating people for highlighting and complaining about a very real problem is surely a tad OTT ?

I would suggest that denying the existence of the issues or "getting used to it" and being told to "man up" is all very well for those of combatative frame of mind,but for those who simply want to use a Public Service without being subject to savage and abberant behaviour then I'll say No Thanks.