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Is this a legitimate reason to be fired?

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  • 11-07-2010 10:41pm
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    sashafierce
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    tenchi-fan
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    Hi
    take a copy of the notice for a start!
    you are required to work your rostered hours but they should be expected to accommodate staff with special requirements (force majoure, dental/doctor appointments, etc.) They also have to go through the appropriate disciplinary process (verbal and written warnings).
    Another thing to consider, if you were previously allowed to swap shifts and nothing was said they cannot impose this new rule without your agreement.


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    sashafierce
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    Mr. Presentable
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    You are supposed to work your rostered hours.

    If you have an appointment you would be expected to request a change when the roster is posted.

    I expect what is happening is an ad hoc switching with other people. This means management don't know who is actually on duty, and spoils any planning they have for people with required qualifications etc.

    So I expect the correct thing is, if you have a legitimate reason you cannot work the shift, inform management and let them arrange a swap.


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    Ricardo G
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    as stated above before anyone gets there p45, its 2 verbal warnings and a written before any action is taken, procedures must be followed by the employer


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    chappy
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    management have the right to deny a swap of a shift if they wish to.If you are rostered to work and you do not show up they could take it as a no show and invoke disciplinary procedures.

    If you have a medical appointment all you need to do is get an appointment card or receipt from the doctor as proof of the appointment


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    looksee
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    There are endless numbers of these small firms - pubs and shops mostly - who do this kind of nonsense. I know someone who was given a summer job and the hours were all over the place, then it turned out she was only getting a few odd hours at short notice because they had over employed so they could sort out the ones they wanted and they sacked the rest, but by this time the summer jobs were all gone. They had a 'system' where the weekly list went up Wednesday evening for Thursday, and if you didn't happen to be working Wed you had to go in anyway to find out if you were working Thursday.

    There really isn't a great deal you can do about it, people want the work and will put up with being messed about, in the end they will get the employees they deserve.

    In your case this was just one funeral, its done with, funerals don't come up all that often. Just carry on with the job and deal with each situation as it arises. If you go to the doctor get a cert for the time you missed, if you cannot arrange the appointment any other way.


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    sashafierce
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    Agent_99
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    Seems like someone got really pissed off at the fact they were making a rota each week that meant nothing and everybody just made up/swapped til they got the hours that suited them. Maybe people were not turning up or forgetting that they swapped shifts. don't blame them for cracking down it is their business after all and if there is problems with the swapping shifts they have the right to do this.

    If you have a pressing engagement then let them know in advance or get permission to swap if there is a short notice issue.


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    Mr. Presentable
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    sashafierce wrote: »
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    If you're not available to do your job then say so and let them employ someone who is.

    What you boss does re clocking in/out is none of your business. Your boss is the one who has borrowed money to build a business, who is creating jobs for you and others, who is responsible ultimately for anything that goes wrong to harm the business, the clients, the staff when at work.

    Given all that, why do you come across as someone who is doing the boss a favour by coming into work?


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    sashafierce
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    Mr. Presentable
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    sashafierce wrote: »
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    So you meant manager when you wrote "boss"?


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    sashafierce
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    Anthony Walsh
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    nipplenuts wrote: »
    If you're not available to do your job then say so and let them employ someone who is.

    What you boss does re clocking in/out is none of your business. Your boss is the one who has borrowed money to build a business, who is creating jobs for you and others, who is responsible ultimately for anything that goes wrong to harm the business, the clients, the staff when at work.

    Given all that, why do you come across as someone who is doing the boss a favour by coming into work?

    I really don't see why are getting at this person, they asked for advice and you're not really helping at all. I used to work in a bar and they had 2 week rosters that they used to put up on Sunday and you would find out if you were working the Monday, they ended up changing the roster to be put up on a Saturday, thankfully. In the job though they were very considerate, if you needed to swap you could ask someone to do it and then pass it by the manager, sometimes they would say no but that was if it was going to be a really busy night and the person covering wasn't as good as you are. Other than that they nearly alwasy let you swap. I think it any job it is better to keep the people working happy because then they will enjoy work. What sashafierce's manager is doing is not a great way of keeping moral up and work help productivity up. Keep us posted!


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    sashafierce
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    P_1
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    Sure can you not let whoever does the rota know whatever days you can't work before they do up the rota once you know you need a certain day off?


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    Mrs OBumble
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    Get your A into G, ring the boss and tell them that you've got a specialists appointment on Friday at 12:30, and that your GP said you were really lucky to get it at such short notice!

    (trying very hard not to be rude here, but I think I'm sensing some of the reasons for the problems you're having ...)


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    the_syco
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    sashafierce wrote: »
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    I've seen this done to people to make them quit. Is this done to everyone, only a few, or everyone but the brown nosers?


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    eejoynt
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    JustMary wrote: »
    Get your A into G, ring the boss and tell them that you've got a specialists appointment on Friday at 12:30, and that your GP said you were really lucky to get it at such short notice!

    OP
    the law states that your roster for the week in advance should be potsed up and that you are entitled to 24 hours notice of roster change see extract from organisation of working time act

    17.—(1) If neither the contract of employment of the employee concerned nor any employment regulation order, registered employment agreement or collective agreement that has effect in relation to the employee specifies the normal or regular starting and finishing times of work of an employee, the employee's employer shall notify the employee, subject to subsection (3), at least 24 hours before the first day or, as the case may be, the day, in each week that he or she proposes to require the employee to work, of the times at which the employee will normally be required to start and finish work on each day, or, as the case may be, the day or days concerned, of that week.

    or follow this link for more general information
    http://www.unionconnect.ie/rights/3/


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    tenchi-fan
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    nipplenuts wrote: »
    So you meant manager when you wrote "boss"?
    Boss doesn't mean owner! It means manager!


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    pirelli
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    sashafierce wrote: »
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    Your right on this. They keep shifting you around every week!

    Is it neccessary to shift peopel around so much, I can understand if they are trying to get their act together but if they actually intend to keep doing this then its rotton.

    Is there a union. SIPTU or something ... they sound like they could help.


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