'Vaping' around Pregnant women

Baby4 · 20-10-2014 2:22pm #1

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Xdancer · 20-10-2014 2:49pm

I think it's unreasonable for a pregnant woman to expect people not to smoke around them. When I was pregnant I wouldn't have had the cheek to expect anyone to change their behaviour around me just because I was pregnant. If someone did light up next to me I moved just like I would do now or would have done before I was pregnant. Why should anyone be expected to change their habits in a public place around you just because you are pregnant? Obviously if it were in your house you would have the right to dictate as to whether or not they could smoke but anywhere else it is your responsibility not theirs.

pwurple · 20-10-2014 3:22pm

That's a funny one. My mum replaced cigarettes with these about a year ago, and I was delighted. I have to say I never noticed any smell or anything else off them. I thought it was supposed to be just water vapour released? Her cough went away and she looks a million times better (no teeth staining, finger staining etc).

That being said, she treats them like cigarettes still. So she goes outside into smoking areas to smoke them, only does it once or twice a day etc.

I wasn't able for smokers when I was pregnant. The smell of it set off my morning sickness something rotten. I nearly puked on someone's jacket once when they asked me to hand it to them, because it smelled of cigarettes.

I think trust your instincts in pregnancy a bit. I couldn't abide the smell or taste of booze until I was about 6 months in, cigarettes I couldn't handle at all. If the vapour smell was making you feel unwell, it's probably a sign to avoid alright.

Thoie · 20-10-2014 3:22pm

I think you were making a mountain out of a molehill.

m'lady · 20-10-2014 3:41pm

As an ex smoker I can't abide the smell of cigarette smoke, it turns my stomach, however my other half 'vapes' and there is no smell of smoke off them, there is a slight smell of whatever flavour oil is being used, and even the tobacco flavour doesn't really smell!

Think you went way over the top and yes made a mountain out of a molehill.

bp · 20-10-2014 3:44pm

I never noticed a smell off them either until I got pregnant and then a lady serving me in a shop blew the smoke out - I nearly puked!

eviltwin · 20-10-2014 3:50pm

I'll probably be lynched for saying this but I think sometimes pregnant women can be very precious. I don't know what the health implications are of being in the company of a smoker or e-cig user for a short amount of time, I would imagine its negligible. I'm, sure the unborn child won't be damaged by exposure to it for a matter of minutes. There are a lot of people around with various health conditions that shouldn't be exposed to smoke, pregnant women are well able to remove themselves if they find it so offensive.

I'm an ex smoker myself and like M'lady the smell of a cigarette really irritates me but that's my problem, its up to me to move away and respect the rights of the smoker.

indigo twist · 20-10-2014 3:57pm

I wouldn't expect people to refrain from smoking real cigarettes when around me whether pregnant or not - if it bothered me, I'd remove myself from the situation (discreetly and politely) - likewise, if I didn't like the smell of the vapour, I'd remove myself rather than expecting others to modify their behaviour. (Exception - I wouldn't be happy with anyone smoking real or vapour cigarettes in my house.)

In your case, couldn't you have gone to the bathroom, or gone out to "make a phonecall" - chances are she'd have been finished by the time you returned (especially if you had taken your time!) No need for any fuss or arguments.

Blingy · 20-10-2014 3:59pm

Each to their own however I wouldn't be impressed if someone lit up like that in a restaurant beside me, pregnant or not pregnant. To me they have a smell and I don't like it. Instead of making a fuss I would move or make an excuse leave for a few mins. Why should I .... IMO I shouldn't have to but to keep the peace I would. The fact that the person didn't even ask the people around him if anyone minded IMO is pure ignorant. Not everyone has the same sense of smell .... I hate the smell of smoke it turns my stomach. The vapour isn't quite as bad but I still don't like it.
But as I said each to their own.

OldNotWIse · 20-10-2014 4:00pm

I imagine the stress you brought on yourself by raising this non issue would do more harm than vapping "smoke".

Penny Tration · 20-10-2014 4:03pm

I don't know a single vaper who is ill informed with regards to the ingredients. The ingredient list for about 99% of e-liquid is:

Nicotine.
Propylene glycol.
Vegetable glycerin.
Food flavourings.

Furthermore, the vapour exhaled contains about the same nicotine content as a spoonful of mashed potatoes.

I don't vape around pregnant women, and wouldn't have smoked around them either, but if you're in a public place, you can't expect people to accede to your wishes. You have the option of moving away.

Also, the smell from e-cigs is very slight, from the food flavourings, and doesn't hang in the air like smoke.

The_Pretender · 20-10-2014 4:07pm

Baby4 wrote: »

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I don't understand the relevance of this, because most people are are able to handle being around people vaping without any problems. It's always possible that you could have an allergy to one of the (very few) chemicals in the vapour, but more than likely it's a case of you being hypersensitive to the smell due to your pregnancy, much like pwurple and alcohol during her pregnancy:

pwurple wrote: »

I think trust your instincts in pregnancy a bit. I couldn't abide the smell or taste of booze until I was about 6 months in, cigarettes I couldn't handle at all.

Has your Aunt vaped around you before Baby4? I personally wouldn't vape inside with people, especially when seated right beside someone, without having first cleared it with them that it was fine to do.

If it's a case that your husbands aunt has vaped around you before without problem, and that the issue is only now arising because of the pregnancy, then I can see why she would be taken aback, but it's very silly for her to be offended by it. She should have just gotten over it. If it was her house then she can do as she likes, and I'd tell you to get over it, but to do it in a restaraunt and the complain when asked not to is just very uncooperative on her part.

Thoie · 20-10-2014 4:10pm

indigo twist wrote: »

(Exception - I wouldn't be happy with anyone smoking real or vapour cigarettes in my house.)

I agree with that - your house, your rules. If you don't want smokers/vapers/red wine drinkers/crisp eaters in your house, that's fine, either let them stand in your garden, or warn them beforehand.

When it's not your house, you don't get to control people's behaviour, pregnant or not.

KungPao · 20-10-2014 4:15pm

A quick sniff of exhaled e-cig vapour won't damage you or your baby.

Total 100% overreaction on your part.

cyning · 20-10-2014 4:37pm

I do agree with the op here. She wasn't in someone's house: she was in a restaurant. The WHO wants them banned indoors. It's an unregulated industry at the moment too. If someone had vaped beside me on either of my pregnancies I would likely probably have puked on them: i was hypersensitive to smells.

I would honestly think good manners would stop anybody vaping at a table in a restaurant? Pregnant or not I would say it quite frankly. If I was in someone else's house I wouldn't.

indigo twist · 20-10-2014 4:57pm

cyning wrote: »

I do agree with the op here. She wasn't in someone's house: she was in a restaurant. The WHO wants them banned indoors. It's an unregulated industry at the moment too. If someone had vaped beside me on either of my pregnancies I would likely probably have puked on them: i was hypersensitive to smells.

I would honestly think good manners would stop anybody vaping at a table in a restaurant? Pregnant or not I would say it quite frankly. If I was in someone else's house I wouldn't.

I would have probably puked at the smell too - I had terrible morning all-day sickness all through pregnancy, and any sort of smell would set it off!

But I wouldn't have expected people to change their normal behaviour because of this. If my boyfriend brought out the bins in my vicinity, I'd be sprinting for the loo - but the bins still needed to be changed. I learned to be elsewhere when he did it. If my colleague opened a tin of salmon in the staff kitchen, that would set me off too - I was hardly going to expect him not to eat salmon for the duration of my pregnancy - but, I never let him know that the salmon was what was setting it off; why make him feel uncomfortable? I simply started having lunch at a different time to him. Anyone opening a packet of crisps on the bus would have me heaving - so I'd get off the bus - they're entitled to eat crisps on the bus if they want to!

Same with vaping. It's legal and generally socially acceptable to do it in restaurants. The aunt was doing nothing wrong. It was up to the OP to remove herself from the situation, if it was bothering her.

cyning · 20-10-2014 5:03pm

You see I don't find or think it is socially acceptable. I know a few people who vape. I know none who would at a table in a restaurant and I have never, even once, seen it. I have seen people standing at the door vaping frequently.

Thoie · 20-10-2014 5:10pm

cyning wrote: »

You see I don't find or think it is socially acceptable. I know a few people who vape. I know none who would at a table in a restaurant and I have never, even once, seen it. I have seen people standing at the door vaping frequently.

On the other hand, I've seen people in restaurants vaping quite often. I've also seen people vaping out in the smoking areas.

People do things I don't find socially acceptable all the time, but I don't get to control their behaviour.

cyning · 20-10-2014 5:24pm

I guess for me if my family or friends did something they knew was making me feel sick or uncomfortable, I would be quite upset by that: and again that's pregnant or not. I wouldn't walk up to a stranger at another table and tell them they can't do that they were making me feel sick. I would say it to a member of my family: as the ops husband did.

A pregnant friend is coming over Sat night for pizza: she asked we don't get garlic sauce as a dip (which she knows I always get!!) because it turns her stomach. I don't find that rude or entitled. She's a friend and would do the same for me.

I just can't understand why family or friends wouldn't do the same.

Thoie · 20-10-2014 5:35pm

cyning wrote: »

I guess for me if my family or friends did something they knew was making me feel sick or uncomfortable, I would be quite upset by that: and again that's pregnant or not. I wouldn't walk up to a stranger at another table and tell them they can't do that they were making me feel sick. I would say it to a member of my family: as the ops husband did.

A pregnant friend is coming over Sat night for pizza: she asked we don't get garlic sauce as a dip (which she knows I always get!!) because it turns her stomach. I don't find that rude or entitled. She's a friend and would do the same for me.

I just can't understand why family or friends wouldn't do the same.

I suppose it depends on how you approach things - your friend asked about the garlic dip in advance, and presumably in a "would you mind" kind of way. If she turned up on Saturday night and demanded that the garlic dip be binned, and anyone who'd had it should go brush their teeth, that would be a different scenario.

Bear in mind the conversation seems to have started with the husband declaring a general fatwa that the aunt shouldn't have the e-cig around a pregnant woman. If it had been approached along the lines of "pregnant woman is crazily sensitive to smells at the moment, would you mind swapping seats/standing on your head/doing the cha cha" the conversation may have gone very differently. Even better : "hey pregnant woman, are smells still bothering you? Here, swap seats with me"

meeeeh · 20-10-2014 5:59pm

Yes, the simple: 'could we swap seats because vaping seems to irritate my throat or it makes me sick?', would probably work. Or asking politely whomever to stop because it makes you feel unwell, usually works. If it doesn't then the person vaping is very ignorant. But if you go on a big tirade about vaping around pregnant women without first asking politely then frankly it's nothing but attention seeking.

eviltwin · 20-10-2014 6:02pm

In fairness to the auntie she wasn't smoking, she was vaping. Big difference. When I smoked I would always take it outside, I've never vaped but I probably wouldn't be as quick to remove myself from company, not because I don't care about the people around me but because I've always thought vaping just released vapor, that if they are potentially harmful at all its to the user not the people around them.

Probably the way it was handled didn't help either. If you have an issue with someone's behaviour in company maybe take them aside and be discreet about it - telling them at a dinner table in front of everyone probably embarrassed the woman, she might not have thought there was any harm in what she was doing.

Orion · 20-10-2014 9:13pm

This isn't a Parenting discussion - it's a Vaping one. So I'm moving it to the Vaping forum. Please check the charter of that forum before posting after this post. Bear in mind that I mod there too so feel free to PM me if this is a problem.

Orion · 20-10-2014 9:16pm

Baby4 wrote: »

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In my experience people who don't vape are completely uninformed about what exactly is in them. as green-screen said it's nicotine, glycerin and food flavourings. That's why it's classed as a food product not a tobacco product.

mewso · 20-10-2014 10:01pm

While I don't think it should be socially unacceptable to vape in a restaurant I generally wouldn't do it simply because I would fully expect someone to have a problem with it. It's amusing that the OP talked about vapers not knowing what is in them when I normally find the people who complain about them are the ones that haven't a clue whats in them. What looks like smoke is coming out of them, therefore bad.

In pubs/restaurants I might sneak an invisible puff (since it's water vapour essentially keeping it in for a few seconds means it's invisible on exhale) every now and again. Psychologically I think people are less likely to have a problem if they see me using it but don't see anything being exhaled so to make life easier and so on why not. I have seen vapers in pubs completely lording huge plumes of vapour all over the place and wonder how they can be so brazen about it. Inviting trouble if you ask me.

The Joe Duffy audience either has or will proclaim e-cigs evil one way or another sadly. No knowledge/research required.

grindle · 20-10-2014 10:28pm

Soooo... Pregnancy eh? Sounds fun.

There's nothing being exhaled in the quantities needed to be harmful to you or your baby. You might be sensitive to a particular ingredient or as cyning hinted at above, to the scent of it - but there was definitely no need for the "shouldn't have that thing around a pregnant woman" horsesh!t based on his or your misconception of what's exhaled (presumably thanks to PR-shill propaganda being reprinted by lazy journalists, e.g. "The WHO wants them banned indoors. It's an unregulated industry at the moment too." :rolleyes: That says it all.).

You didn't like the look or smell of something, and/or one of the ingredients tickled your throat.
No big deal in real terms, very big deal in fantasy "My whims are too easily indulged and every chemical will kill me and my child!!!" terms.

cyning · 20-10-2014 10:51pm

grindle wrote: »

Soooo... Pregnancy eh? Sounds fun.

There's nothing being exhaled in the quantities needed to be harmful to you or your baby. You might be sensitive to a particular ingredient or as cyning hinted at above, to the scent of it - but there was definitely no need for the "shouldn't have that thing around a pregnant woman" horsesh!t based on his or your misconception of what's exhaled (presumably thanks to PR-shill propaganda being reprinted by lazy journalists, e.g. "The WHO wants them banned indoors. It's an unregulated industry at the moment too." :rolleyes: That says it all.).

You didn't like the look or smell of something, and/or one of the ingredients tickled your throat.
No big deal in real terms, very big deal in fantasy "My whims are too easily indulged and every chemical will kill me and my child!!!" terms.

Well no. I've read the WHO report after listening to a piece on the radio. I don't pretend to be an expert on e cigs or vaping. Is it regulated? I thought it wasn't so I'm sorry if I was wrong. I actually do think they have a place. They are infinitely better than cigarettes.

I just don't think if I'm sitting down to a meal in a restaurant that I should have someone beside me using one. As I've said I wouldn't ask someone at a different table not to use one. But my family? I would. Especially if I was pregnant. Although honestly when I was pregnant I doubt any of my family would have been that inconsiderate considering how sick I was.

jonski · 21-10-2014 12:37am

cyning wrote: »

Well no. I've read the WHO report after listening to a piece on the radio. I don't pretend to be an expert on e cigs or vaping. Is it regulated?

It is self regulated atm by the majority of Irish vendors but government regulation will have to come in , that would be a bigger worry depending on who is bending their ear .

As for The WHO , that was the biggest surprise for me , you would do well to look into how they are making their decisions and who is lobbying them .

grindle · 21-10-2014 12:54am

cyning wrote: »

Well no. I've read the WHO report after listening to a piece on the radio. I don't pretend to be an expert on e cigs or vaping. Is it regulated? I thought it wasn't so I'm sorry if I was wrong. I actually do think they have a place. They are infinitely better than cigarettes.

The W.H.O. have trumpeted so much crap over the last few years they're the boy who cried wolf in my eyes. They're knowingly committed to and publicising views on behalf of the pharmaceutical industry which can only help in harming health & I think in decades to come more and more people will look back on this as a seriously dark period for them.

E-liquids are currently meant to be regulated by the FSAI but they couldn't be bothered or don't want to take ownership of the mess (understandable but unethical) - they should be regulated by a new body, one with no ties to any of the pharmaceutical or tobacco lobbying factions, based on data as opposed to money or faux moral panic. As it is, as jonski said the ecig industry is currently haphazardly attempting to regulate itself to keep at bay the risk of being mutilated by industries with competing interests.

cyning wrote: »

Especially if I was pregnant.

Whatever about the rudeness of people vaping in restaurants because of the scent or aesthetic of vaping, this bit is just irrational.
Pregnancy doesn't actually grant women some strange hormonal mix of dictatorial superpowers, although the condition does get wielded that way quite often.

moc moc a moc · 21-10-2014 1:54am

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My opinion is that you're one of these people who actively goes looking for things to be put out by.

mewso · 21-10-2014 8:30am

moc moc a moc wrote: »

My opinion is that you're one of these people who actively goes looking for things to be put out by.

Try posting an opinion on the post not the poster. That goes for everyone else too please. Warnings/Infractions on hold assuming people behave.

the_syco · 21-10-2014 9:37am

I'd vape in the smoking area. IMO, if she's in the smoking area, she hasn't a leg to stand on.

As for vaping in the restaurant, you'll probably get more nicotine in the spuds than the 2nd hand vape.

Baby4 wrote: »

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I hope you're now more informed, as you were clearly "completely ill informed about what exactly is in them" before. I acknowledge that the OP was posted elsewhere before it was moved here.

cyning · 21-10-2014 10:46am

grindle wrote: »

Pregnancy doesn't actually grant women some strange hormonal mix of dictatorial superpowers, although the condition does get wielded that way quite often.

You might have missed the bit where I said especially considering how sick I was? If you vomited 20+ times a day for over 5 months you might have a better understanding of why I have very little sympathy for someone who got offended. It might be irrational of some pregnant women, not of all. Personally speaking I honestly wouldn't have been able to cope with the smell at all and I would like to think people might have a bit more empathy than to assume I had "dictatorial superpowers." The smell was enough to make the op cough. It was bothering her. She was eating. And yes she was pregnant. I honestly don't know anybody who would get offended in those circumstances.

Actually in fairness I have learnt quite a bit from this thread: I still don't think vaping at a table where people are eating is acceptable though

interesting about the WHO though.

meeeeh · 21-10-2014 11:06am

cyning wrote: »

It was bothering her. She was eating. And yes she was pregnant. I honestly don't know anybody who would get offended in those circumstances.

It depends how you are asked.

cyning · 21-10-2014 11:14am

meeeeh wrote: »

It depends how you are asked.

Which is a fair point too

I guess it's hard to know wether the aunt got overly offended, or the op was overly sensitive. The situation could likely have been handled better by both sides.

the_syco · 21-10-2014 5:42pm

cyning wrote: »

Which is a fair point too I guess it's hard to know wether the aunt got overly offended, or the op was overly sensitive. The situation could likely have been handled better by both sides.

I'm guessing the aunt was the "smoke after a meal" type, who saw the e-cig device as enabling her to do so without leaving. And as there's no smell of tobacco, didn't think anything of it.

I may have missed it, but did the OP say what the smell was of? It could have been tobacco flavour which nullifies by point above, or it could have been a fruit flavour one.

However, the "shouldn't have that thing around a pregnant woman" line irks me into thinking that perhaps the auntie wasn't the one who was the ignorant one, as the OP seems to think that it contains harmful byproducts. That, and she mentions "smoke" when there was no smoke.

Finally, if she had asked the aunt not to vape near her, I'm sure the aunt would've complied. The coughing and getting the husband to ask probably got the aunts back up. Personally, if you ask me nicely I usually move, but coughing and spluttering gets ignored. Or makes me vape like a train.

tommy2bad · 21-10-2014 7:06pm

cyning wrote: »

Well no. I've read the WHO report after listening to a piece on the radio. I don't pretend to be an expert on e cigs or vaping. Is it regulated? I thought it wasn't so I'm sorry if I was wrong. I actually do think they have a place. They are infinitely better than cigarettes.

I just don't think if I'm sitting down to a meal in a restaurant that I should have someone beside me using one. As I've said I wouldn't ask someone at a different table not to use one. But my family? I would. Especially if I was pregnant. Although honestly when I was pregnant I doubt any of my family would have been that inconsiderate considering how sick I was.

But not sick enough to have to miss the restaurant visit cos restaurants never have any smelly stuff that might upset little didums.
God the entitled make me sick, get this idea into your heads, your in a public place, their will be other people their. These people may not share your sensibilities. Deal with it or stay in your own house.

Thoie · 21-10-2014 7:11pm

tommy2bad wrote: »

But not sick enough to have to miss the restaurant visit cos restaurants never have any smelly stuff that might upset little didums.
God the entitled make me sick, get this idea into your heads, your in a public place, their will be other people their. These people may not share your sensibilities. Deal with it or stay in your own house.

That's unfair. Cyning wasn't the OP who was in a restaurant, she was just saying that when she was pregnant she was quite ill, and her family wouldn't have done anything around her to set her off.

nuttyboy79 · 21-10-2014 7:24pm

I think the whole thing could have been avoided if a couple of things had have happened. If the OP had have been a little less precious about the whole "the smoke around my unborn baby", if the Op's husband had have told his wife "no you talk to Aunt" and if the Aunt was a little more aware of the people around her. I used to be a very bolshie smoker "I will smoke where I want if you don't like it move" type of thing but as a vaper I am a bit more sensitive to people and the smell. Some people like the smell of strawberries or orange or whatever sweet smell is wafting from my gob after a blast of my e cig, some people don't like it and if that's the case I will curb my excesses (it's yet to happen). I would be the same around anything smelling of cinnamon makes me nauseous and gives me a headache almost straight away and I'm not pregnant.
But on the other hand anyone that started down the road of "you don't know (insert scare tactic regarding e cigs)" would be swiftly told to pi55 off.

tommy2bad · 21-10-2014 7:24pm

Thoie wrote: »

That's unfair. Cyning wasn't the OP who was in a restaurant, she was just saying that when she was pregnant she was quite ill, and her family wouldn't have done anything around her to set her off.

I'm just wondering how upset by the smell this woman was ( please remember I'm responding to points made, not personal attacks) that she could go to a restaurant and not get a little sick but get completely freaked by the slight smell from the vapor. I suspect she has a thing about smoking behavior and it was more the 'smoke' that offended her than any real thing. In other words the OP was irrational about it and from the story acted out of proportion to the incident.
Their is a problem with the acceptance of vaping, we have spent years denormalizing smoking, nothing to do with the danger of secondhand smoke btw and all about reconditioning society to reject smoking. It would be stupid not to expect this conditioning not to carry over to vaping but otoh it needs to be remembered that vaping is NOT smoking. Rejecting vaping is telling people that they might as well stay smoking.
Mind you when a friend of mine was dieing from cancer I never vaped near them or in their house even though they didn't mind and in fact encouraged me to do so. I was aware of the danger nic is for tumor growth. I don't vape in resturants untill the meal is over and then only stealthly ( I tend to use flavorless all pg juice when going out). I will vape loud and proud in bars and cafes. different circumstances and different atmosphere. Like most things context is everything.

Thoie · 21-10-2014 7:42pm

tommy2bad wrote: »

I'm just wondering how upset by the smell this woman was ( please remember I'm responding to points made, not personal attacks) that she could go to a restaurant and not get a little sick but get completely freaked by the slight smell from the vapor. I suspect she has a thing about smoking behavior and it was more the 'smoke' that offended her than any real thing. In other words the OP was irrational about it and from the story acted out of proportion to the incident.
Their is a problem with the acceptance of vaping, we have spent years denormalizing smoking, nothing to do with the danger of secondhand smoke btw and all about reconditioning society to reject smoking. It would be stupid not to expect this conditioning not to carry over to vaping but otoh it needs to be remembered that vaping is NOT smoking. Rejecting vaping is telling people that they might as well stay smoking.
Mind you when a friend of mine was dieing from cancer I never vaped near them or in their house even though they didn't mind and in fact encouraged me to do so. I was aware of the danger nic is for tumor growth. I don't vape in resturants untill the meal is over and then only stealthly ( I tend to use flavorless all pg juice when going out). I will vape loud and proud in bars and cafes. different circumstances and different atmosphere. Like most things context is everything.

I agree with your points about the OP, but Cyning, who you quoted, didn't go to a restaurant while sick and ask people to stop vaping.

cyning · 21-10-2014 8:45pm

tommy2bad wrote: »

But not sick enough to have to miss the restaurant visit cos restaurants never have any smelly stuff that might upset little didums.
God the entitled make me sick, get this idea into your heads, your in a public place, their will be other people their. These people may not share your sensibilities. Deal with it or stay in your own house.

I'm not the op. I have said I probably sympathise more with the op than other people probably because of my own experiences. I'm not entitled. I have said that I would never ask someone at a different table to not vape. I have said I would ask friends or family. I have said I've learnt a lot from this thread... Is that not what you would like? What I did to deserve that I'm not entirely sure?

the_syco · 22-10-2014 9:02am

tommy2bad wrote: »

I was aware of the danger nic is for tumor growth.

This bit. Linkage?

grindle · 22-10-2014 10:54am

Linkage.

It's not recognised as a trigger but can fan the flames as it speeds up the process of cell division (ergo speeding up the frequency of mutations as well as healthy cells) and apparently delays the natural timeline for cell-death, including mutated cells which now have a larger window of opportunity to mutate multiple times and form a clump of dead cells for newer mutated cells to form around, resist the body's natural defences.

The figures that exist (decades old) have had nicotine plasma concentrations 100 times higher than those measured in ecig users, and cell division was found to happen 20-25% faster at those levels.
How much lower that would be with ecig use can only be told through specific testing. Another job for Farsalinos in the future I'd imagine, nobody else would want to touch it unless they had a fair idea it would come up with a negative outcome (for ecigs) and thus a positive outcome for their career by confirming governmental or lobbying biases.
We have to wonder why there have been no studies on that - instead tests always focus on finding minute, considered-to-be-harmless amounts of chemicals, or on stating the obvious ("Stimulant raises heart-rate." Wow. "Inhaling vapourised viscous liquid leads to temporary resistance of airways confirming viscous nature of viscous liquids." Riveting.)

tommy2bad · 22-10-2014 11:37am

cyning wrote: »

I'm not the op. I have said I probably sympathise more with the op than other people probably because of my own experiences. I'm not entitled. I have said that I would never ask someone at a different table to not vape. I have said I would ask friends or family. I have said I've learnt a lot from this thread... Is that not what you would like? What I did to deserve that I'm not entirely sure?

Ahh you have me wrong, I was working on the assumption that you put out the point about the smell making her sick. I never read it as you being the one feeling sick. I was talking about the situation not the people involved if you get me.
I have no idea if you felt sick or if the op felt sick I'm just extrapolating to make a point.
Sorry you felt it was about you personal. I had hoped that isolating the bit with bold would make it clear it wan't you personally I was responding to.

the_syco · 22-10-2014 11:01pm

grindle wrote: »

Linkage

Corrected link; http://www.carcinogenesis.com/text.asp?2013/12/1/1/106680

Interesting. It's unclear how much nicotine stops the medicine from working, as a lot of veg have nicotine in them. I believe "instant" black tea has a very high percentage of nicotine in it.

Didihno · 31-10-2014 8:14pm

Maybe late weighing in here but I'm a vaper for nearly two years and it has changed my life.
You were being a bit precious in this instance and should have handled it a lot better IMO.
There are politer ways to ask someone not to do something thats causing you stress, whether the danger is real or imagined (in this case).

That said, and this is very important, I try my very best not to vape in front of children, don't vape on buses or trains or the cinema, not because of their stupid ban but because I think its bad form plain and simple. In short, don't be an a$$hole if you're vaping and if you're asked to stop blowing vape in someones face then fking well do it. It matters not a jot that the vape is harmless (well so far from what we know from actual science, not the govt run newspapers), it matters that you're causing someone distress by your habit.
Especially those who are already on an emotional rollercoaster, like pregnant women.

'Vaping' around Pregnant women

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