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Pussy Riot and Russia

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  • #102
    Nodin
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    abrr1000 wrote: »
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/aug/20/pussy-riot-punk-prayer-lyrics?newsfeed=true

    Here you go - plenty of profanities and distastefulness.
    There were families with children at this service - I think there are other places they could have made their protest if they have such strong feelings - but to shove it in everyone's face literally was just disgusting.

    Wow....they sang "crap" and "bastard". O the horror......

    I'm not seeing "shouting profanities at everyone present and exposing themselves".


  • #103
    Permabear
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  • #104
    abrr1000
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    That translation uses very nice words


  • #105
    Permabear
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  • #106
    Nodin
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    abrr1000 wrote: »
    That translation uses very nice words

    I'm still not seeing sources for "shouting profanities at everyone present and exposing themselves". Any reason ?


  • #107
    Eggy Baby!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Eggy Baby!


    abrr1000 wrote: »
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/aug/20/pussy-riot-punk-prayer-lyrics?newsfeed=true

    Here you go - plenty of profanities and distastefulness.
    There were families with children at this service - I think there are other places they could have made their protest if they have such strong feelings - but to shove it in everyone's face literally was just disgusting.

    Unfortunately you gave a link to misinformation from the Guardian. "Crap" should be replaced with "S**t".

    And they never exposed themselves. All they did was show a bit of arm, or is that banned?

    Can someone get me the Russian lyrics and I'll be able to truly determine if they swore or simply said "Crap"?

    That translation is really horrible.


  • #108
    BluntGuy
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    abrr1000 wrote: »
    I think the state are right to punish such hooliganism it is disgusting and whatever they were "protesting" against - this "protest" was carried out in the most distasteful and undignified way.
    There were families with children at this service - I think there are other places they could have made their protest if they have such strong feelings - but to shove it in everyone's face literally was just disgusting.

    So what?

    When is offending people ever an acceptable reason in itself, to put people behind bars?


  • #109
    Eggy Baby!
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    Just a bit of a bump, as I'm hearing interesting updates on the case.

    As you probably know, the verdict has been taken to appeal.

    But:
    A Moscow court has freed one of the convicted women from the punk band Pussy Riot but upheld two-year jail terms for the other two.

    There were cheers in court when the two-year jail term of Yekaterina Samutsevich, 30, was suspended.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19893008

    News has been pretty slow on this since the verdict but this is quite an interesting development.


  • #110
    Nodin
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    A fairly crap one, tbh. Is there a higher court they can go to?


  • #111
    Eggy Baby!
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    Nodin wrote: »
    A fairly crap one, tbh. Is there a higher court they can go to?

    Yep. The trial was originally in a district court. Above that there are regional courts and then the supreme court.


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  • #112
    wes
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    Couldn't they appeal to the ECHR. Russia is a member, last I checked.


  • #113
    Eggy Baby!
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    wes wrote: »
    Couldn't they appeal to the ECHR. Russia is a member, last I checked.

    Yes, they could.

    This option is discussed here:
    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/08/2012823795897200.html
    If they so wish, Pussy Riot can appeal the verdict, up to and including in the European Court of Human Rights. But they shouldn't count on victory there. After all, Khodorkovsky failed to prove his prosecution was politically motivated several times in the ECHR - and he had a lot more money and influence than Pussy Riot ever will.

    If I'm honest, this story fizzled out pretty quickly once the buzz died down.


  • #114
    Brussels Sprout
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    Was it entirely a coincidence that woman was released around the time of Putin's 60th birthday? A touch of compassion from the Tsar perhaps to mark the occasion.


  • #115
    dizzywizlw
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    BluntGuy wrote: »
    So what?

    When is offending people ever an acceptable reason in itself, to put people behind bars?

    When it infringes on their right of religious belief IN the private base of said religious belief...


  • #116
    Eggy Baby!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Eggy Baby!


    Brussels Sprout wrote: »
    Was it entirely a coincidence that woman was released around the time of Putin's 60th birthday? A touch of compassion from the Tsar perhaps to mark the occasion.

    Yep the Dark Lord Putin let the innocent girl out the gates of Mordor.....etc. etc.


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