Does anyone here believe that elves and fairies are real?

Chaos Marine · 24-09-2015 11:50pm

Dogs can think... I don't understand where you got the impression that I don't think they can. I gave an example of a dog making a decision. I did have a dog when I was younger, now though I have a cat and a rabbit. Unfortunately an apartment isn't a great place for dogs. And mycilium cannot make decisions. They're spores. They're deposited on fertile soil or plant matter or whatever and germinate like they've evolved to do.

euser1984 · 24-09-2015 11:54pm

Chaos Marine wrote: »

Dogs can think... I don't understand where you got the impression that I don't think they can. I gave an example of a dog making a decision. I did have a dog when I was younger, now though I have a cat and a rabbit. Unfortunately an apartment isn't a great place for dogs. And mycilium cannot make decisions. They're spores. They're deposited on fertile soil or plant matter or whatever and germinate like they've evolved to do.

http://www.wired.com/2010/01/slime-mold-grows-network-just-like-tokyo-rail-system/

Trust me, dogs can think....just look at some of the intelligent breeds. I don't want to detract this thread from it's intention please.

25-09-2015 12:08am

what's 'real' in the context?

if you include things that can only be seen whilst under influence of hallucinogenic then you can write a list of anything you like.

if you try to bring in the diminishing gaps in our knowledge of the natural world to claim that phenomena yet to be fully explained means that elves are as likely to exist as not, well there's reams of logical theory out there to explain the fallacy at play in that instance.

personally- no, they're not real.

Chaos Marine · 25-09-2015 12:11am

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Let me state this clearly. I agree that dogs are highly intelligent. It's one of the reasons why humanity domesticated them. This will be the third time I've stated that dogs are complex biological creatures and are quite smart. I am not disagreeing with your opinion that they are intelligent. Please read what I've previously posted about dogs.

Again, mycilliun do not make decisions. That wired article is only showing that they're efficient. The slime mold's spread is no different than water finding the quickest route down the side of a mountain is. Again, they're performing the tasks that they biologically evolved to do and are doing it efficiently. Look at this. This shows human engineers using extensively tested and refined designs found in nature to design things such as aircraft fuselages.

As for that second video you linked, "...this revision of orthodox evolutionary method...", from a tape recorded in 1987 does not fill me with much confidence that this guy will turn out to be correct. I am still listening to it so if he is able to elaborate on that and I can find overwhelming acceptance from his scientific peers that verifies his findings, I will change my tune.

endacl · 25-09-2015 12:12am

euser1984 wrote: »

http://www.wired.com/2010/01/slime-mold-grows-network-just-like-tokyo-rail-system/

Trust me, dogs can think....just look at some of the intelligent breeds. I don't want to detract this thread from it's intention please.

'Trust me' is not an argument.

endacl · 25-09-2015 12:16am

euser1984 wrote: »

but in particular magic mushrooms which all the celts took.

Actually, this is always an interesting/amusing one to ask....

Before we agree that they all took mushrooms, and just out of interest, who were 'the celts'?

euser1984 · 25-09-2015 8:36am

endacl wrote: »

'Trust me' is not an argument.

I'm not trying to argue about dogs though....I have one and it can be googled. Plus, I have one - A german shepherd which is one of the smartest. I'll have to google into that more myself in a while though.

endacl wrote: »

Actually, this is always an interesting/amusing one to ask....

Before we agree that they all took mushrooms, and just out of interest, who were 'the celts'?

Pagans then? I'm ignorant on some stuff I'll admit but I'm working on it.

euser1984 · 25-09-2015 8:56am

Deleted User wrote: »

what's 'real' in the context?

if you include things that can only be seen whilst under influence of hallucinogenic then you can write a list of anything you like.

if you try to bring in the diminishing gaps in our knowledge of the natural world to claim that phenomena yet to be fully explained means that elves are as likely to exist as not, well there's reams of logical theory out there to explain the fallacy at play in that instance.

personally- no, they're not real.

It's seems that a wide group of people seem to have experienced the same thing...same hallucinations....where else could the ideas of come from?

DeadHand · 26-09-2015 11:46am

euser1984 wrote: »

It's seems that a wide group of people seem to have experienced the same thing...same hallucinations....where else could the ideas of come from?

I'm not an expert but I imagine power of suggestion comes into play.

Hallucinogenic Drug use is usually a social activity. Drug users talk to each other. So, if Dude A says to the dude B "I saw a blue fairy while I was tripping" That plants a blue fairy in the subconscious of dude B which his subconscious could later produce while he is tripping.

Much the same why as people were abducted by demons in Times when religion was dominant and are abducted by aliens now. The bogeymen change according to what is on people's minds, what is in the media and what they have heard others speak about.

People see what they are led to expect to see. Hence hallucinogenic visions in common.

screamer · 27-09-2015 7:22pm

I don't believe in them, but still, I'd not touch a fairy fort or a fairy bush. There's too many stories, and too many bad stories about them. So, although I don't believe that fairies exist, I believe that the places associated with the fairies are in some way protected or cursed by something that happened there a long time ago (not fairies).

Does anyone here believe that elves and fairies are real?

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