Re-watching from Scratch [Spoilers]

bnt · 10-10-2015 10:36am #1

I'm fully up-to-date with both the books and the TV series, but I recently stayed with a friend who isn't, and we watched some episodes from series 3-4. I realised that I'd missed some important details on my first viewing, and that some things that happen early on carry additional layers of meaning in the light of what happens later. So I'm re-watching from series 1 episode 1, and am currently 3 episodes in to series 2. Has anyone else had a similar experience?

For example: early in season 2, Tyrion uses a canary trap to figure out just who, among his acquaintances, is passing information on to Cersei. He tells different versions of a plan to Grand Maester Pycelle, Varys, and Littlefinger, and learns that Pycelle was the leak. The version of the plan that got to Cersei was the one to send his niece Myrcella off to Dorne, later to marry Prince Trystane Martell.

What struck me about this scheme was how Tyrion handled it: when Cersei heard about the Dorne plan, she objected vociferously, but Tyrion worked to convince her, and later she agreed to the plan. Presumably, he would have done the same had Cersei heard a different version. You could argue that his support for the plan was part of the cover for his canary trap, and that giving up too easily would have looked suspicious.

Regardless, the result was that Myrcella went off to Dorne, kicking off a chain of events that would eventually result in

dying by poison (TV series)

. Tyrion couldn't have seen the future, and said it was for her protection. Perhaps he was relying on Cersei's reaction, and didn't expect it to actually happen. Unintended Consequences are a bitch, aren't they? :eek:

ArmaniJeanss · 10-10-2015 8:17pm

Hmmm, I always thought that the version of the plan he leaked to Pycelle was always the actual plan, and it was just coincidence (probably a stretch to even call it coincidence, it was a 1 in 3 shot) that Pycelle was the leaker rather than LF or LV.
I don't recall anything in his internal monologue to suggest he went with this plan just because it was the one that was leaked to Cersei, but happy to be proven wrong if others read/watched it differently.

Chet T16 · 10-10-2015 8:43pm

There's book spoilers in what looks like a TV thread.

bnt · 11-10-2015 10:17pm

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

I don't recall anything in his internal monologue to suggest he went with this plan just because it was the one that was leaked to Cersei, but happy to be proven wrong if others read/watched it differently.

Well, since this is apparently a "TV thread", we are obliged to limit ourselves to what was shown on screen, and are not permitted to refer to the book. I didn't see anything other than Tyrion waiting for what Cersei revealed and going with it.

PTH2009 · 02-03-2016 4:14pm

bought the 1-4 blu ray set in jan and just finished season 5 and love the show now but few questions

Why did stanis kill his daughter in season 5 episode 9 ???

is the hound really dead, . The hound looked like he was deff going to die at the end of season 4 up in the mountains after the fight. Did he somehow make a recovery and find a Maister in a nearby village ?

Will Jorah Mormant turn into a stone man as he was touched by one ??

duploelabs · 02-03-2016 7:16pm

Think I'm on my 4th or 5th rewatch and I'm still picking up tiny details

duploelabs · 02-03-2016 7:19pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

bought the 1-4 blu ray set in jan and just finished season 5 and love the show now but few questions
Why did stanis kill his daughter in season 5 episode 9 ???

to use the blood magic to gie him an advantage in battle

PTH2009 wrote: »

is the hound really dead, . The hound looked like he was deff going to die at the end of season 4 up in the mountains after the fight. Did he somehow make a recovery and find a Maister in a nearby village ?

Rumoured and hinted in the books but nothing confirmed

PTH2009 wrote: »

Will Jorah Mormant turn into a stone man as he was touched by one ??

just wait and see

Sleepy · 08-03-2016 10:04am

After seeing a post of Facebook that yesterday was the date to start a one episode per day re-watch we started on S01E01 - Winter is Coming last night.

I'd forgotten just how much was packed into that first episode: the introduction of the Starks, Lannisters, Barratheons and Targaryens; the first glimpse of the Wall and the White Walkers, the discovery of the direwolves, Danaerys' Dothraki wedding and culminating in Bran's "fall".

I'd also forgotten how exciting it first was to see the Wall in the pre-title scene and remembered noticing subtle changes like Ser Waymar Royce being cut down without a fight instead of charging bravely to his death and how Danaerys and Drogo's wedding night was more rape than consensual consummation of the union.

Also amusing to see how terrible Peter Dinklage's bottle blonde hair was!

bazermc · 24-03-2016 11:04pm

In Season 4 when Bran stark and Hodor are held captive at Crasters keep why does Locke, the nights watch guy, try to capture Bran? He lies to John snow that there was nobody in the hut where bran and the brother sister pair where held up.

Is it as simple as he wanted to capture Bran?

Sleepy · 25-03-2016 10:09am

I think so. Locke is sworn to Roose Bolton and, if you think back to his refusal to be bought by Jaime Lannister in Season 2, is loyal to him (if far too eager to maim the Kingslayer).

GerB40 · 18-04-2016 1:09am

Just about finished my re-watch of season 5 and something occurred to me. Maesters are told where to serve by the citadel, they don't have a choice in the matter. But when Sam asks Jon if he could go to Oldtown to train to be a Maester he says "I'd be much better for the watch as a Maester than a fighter" (or something along those lines). This suggests he'll be allowed to become a Maester and go straight back to the wall. Does the nights watch have an arrangement with the citadel where they send Maesters back 'home' or did I just find a little loophole??

Sleepy · 18-04-2016 10:03am

I suspect that the position of Maester for the Night's Watch is one that's so little wanted by others at the Citadel that an existing brother of the Night's Watch would be about the only one who'd want the posting. TBH, I'd imagine most of the brothers would rather be a Maester pretty much anywhere if it got them out of the order... The problem for them is that the vast majority wouldn't have Sam's learning.

heebusjeebus · 18-04-2016 11:02am

Wouldnt Sam be a member of the Nights Watch first, and a Maester second.
He would be duty bound to return to the Wall once his training is complete. If not, he could be killed as a traitor to the Nights Watch.

Sheeeeit · 18-04-2016 11:18am

Once you join the Nights Watch that's it, you are sworn in and you don't leave. When he becomes a maester he'll have no choice but to return to the Night's Watch.

flazio · 25-04-2016 11:54pm

One thing that niggles me is the story set up at the end of Series 3 that Theons sister is mounting this great rescue effort, it gets played out in the middle of Series 4, she admits defeat and isn't heard from again. Also, while we were following Brans story to the end of Series 4, what happened the other brother and yer wan who played Tonks in Harry Potter? Thought they were heading for the wall?

Nody · 26-04-2016 8:07am

flazio wrote: »

One thing that niggles me is the story set up at the end of Series 3 that Theons sister is mounting this great rescue effort, it gets played out in the middle of Series 4, she admits defeat and isn't heard from again.

While in the book there is more on the arc it was cut of convenience basically.

Also, while we were following Brans story to the end of Series 4, what happened the other brother and yer wan who played Tonks in Harry Potter? Thought they were heading for the wall?

Even for book readers this is a big question mark; there might be some resolution to it in season 6 however (pure speculation based on some parts of the book developments) but could as well be joining S.S. Abandoned Plotlines as well.

JustShon · 26-04-2016 12:38pm

flazio wrote: »

what happened the other brother and yer wan who played Tonks in Harry Potter? Thought they were heading for the wall?

Does anyone actually care about Rickon? That's his name by the way. Personally I keep forgetting he exists at all.

CMOTDibbler · 26-04-2016 9:57pm

JustShon wrote: »

Does anyone actually care about Rickon? That's his name by the way. Personally I keep forgetting he exists at all.

He is still an heir to Winterfell. That alone makes him important.

Vojera · 26-04-2016 11:15pm

A few things I remember only understanding on my second viewing of the first season are:

when we first meet Daenerys she gets into a scalding bath but isn't burned
similarly, Dany lifts her dragon eggs out of a fire while travelling with the khalasar and doesn't get burned
Doreah, Dany's handmaiden, tells Dany a legend about the origin of dragons. When asked where she heard the story, Doreah replies, "a merchant from Qarth". Doreah, of course, is the handmaiden works with Xaro Xoan Daxos to betray Daenerys.

JustShon · 27-04-2016 8:24am

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

He is still an heir to Winterfell. That alone makes him important.

Yeah true, that makes him important but it doesn't make him a compelling character at all. He's "the other Stark kid" or "Bran's brother" to most.

LionelNashe · 03-05-2016 2:09pm

Watching season 1 again, and seeing how much Robert hates Targaryans, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Robert, not Tywin, who ordered the Mountain to kill Rhaegar & Elia's children.

One thing that doesn't add up - Cersei tells Catelyn that she (Cersei) lost her first born child to a fever; a 'black haired beauty' who looked just like Robert. She later discusses the child with Robert as well. This contradicts Maggy the Frog's prophecy that she would have 3 children.

Liam O · 03-05-2016 3:00pm

LionelNashe wrote: »

Watching season 1 again, and seeing how much Robert hates Targaryans, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Robert, not Tywin, who ordered the Mountain to kill Rhaegar & Elia's children.

One thing that doesn't add up - Cersei tells Catelyn that she (Cersei) lost her first born child to a fever; a 'black haired beauty' who looked just like Robert. She later discusses the child with Robert as well. This contradicts Maggy the Frog's prophecy that she would have 3 children.

Unsure how much of a spoiler this is but it's fresh in my mind having just listened to the Hardcore Game of Thrones podcast that deals with it. As far as the history of it goes, Tywin needed something to gain Robert's trust as even though he'd turned against Aerys, so long as the Targ kids lived he would be suspected of still being loyal to them after being Aerys' hand for 20 years so when Robert rocked up to KL he presented the bodies to him to show his loyalty.

Robert would have had a decision to make with regards what to do with them and could have had a decision to make but seeing as how what happened lead to him and Ned falling out it would have been interesting to see how he'd have gone about it. It was definitely Tywin who ordered the deaths though.

Conall Cernach · 03-05-2016 8:26pm

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

He is still an heir to Winterfell. That alone makes him important.

And, presuming Bran's injury affects more than just his legs and his present occupation, he is the only one able to carry on the Stark name.

golfball37 · 05-05-2016 9:11pm

LionelNashe wrote: »

Watching season 1 again, and seeing how much Robert hates Targaryans, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Robert, not Tywin, who ordered the Mountain to kill Rhaegar & Elia's children.

One thing that doesn't add up - Cersei tells Catelyn that she (Cersei) lost her first born child to a fever; a 'black haired beauty' who looked just like Robert. She later discusses the child with Robert as well. This contradicts Maggy the Frog's prophecy that she would have 3 children.

Robert famously got injured at the trident and missed the sacking of kings landing. He sent Ned in his stead and Ned was horrified at what the Lannisters did to the city and the children in particular.
On YouTube history and lore Roberts rebellion tells the story- I haven't read the books

Re-watching from Scratch [Spoilers]

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