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Deloitte to advise on liquidation or examinership of Dublin Bus

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  • #102
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,144 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Grandeeod wrote: »
    Massive Save CIE thing going on here and I really dont know why. What is the boardsies fascination with CIE while the general public want rid of it?

    Source?

    I'm not sure boards has the space for the reasons. CIE needs to be removed from transport of any kind in Ireland. Its culture. Its history. Everything. Then we can move forward.
    and then IE DB and BE can stay and be reformed

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #103
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,522 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    lxflyer wrote: »
    I also think that anyone who imagines that civil servants in the DoT could ever do this is living in cloud cuckoo land. It needs transport professionals.

    And is the department incapable of hiring such people?
    I don't think they could manage it now as it stands but why even seperate it out in the first place and duplicate all the expenses. There's plenty of other quangos that have been pulled out of the DofT over the years, all with their own duplicated costs. Its an expensive way to run things rather than having internal divisions under one DofT brand.


  • #104
    n97 mini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    lxflyer wrote: »
    For all that negativity there is every chance that they could get things right and deliver real improvements.

    Look at some of what has happened so far:
    I think that your list is a bit blinkered. What has happened for me in reality is that services have worsened, and in other cases projects listed haven't been completed:

    * National journey planner rolled out <- Improving but still not trustworthy
    * RTPI rolled out for CIE and being rolled out to other operators <- CIE? BE part is a disaster
    * First step in providing integrated bus and rail services on a corridor (Dublin-Mullingar) <- Integration? Non-competing more like? My town has been removed from the BE network in the process :mad:
    * Full consultative process on any major transport proposals


  • #105
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,930 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    And is the department incapable of hiring such people?
    I don't think they could manage it now as it stands but why even seperate it out in the first place and duplicate all the expenses. There's plenty of other quangos that have been pulled out of the DofT over the years, all with their own duplicated costs. Its an expensive way to run things rather than having internal divisions under one DofT brand.

    Frankly, history has shown that the civil service (both here and abroad) are incapable of running these things in a commercially realistic manner.

    It just doesn't work - full stop.


  • #106
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,930 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    n97 mini wrote: »
    I think that your list is a bit blinkered. What has happened for me in reality is that services have worsened, and in other cases projects listed haven't been completed:

    * National journey planner rolled out <- Improving but still not trustworthy
    * RTPI rolled out for CIE and being rolled out to other operators <- CIE? BE part is a disaster
    * First step in providing integrated bus and rail services on a corridor (Dublin-Mullingar) <- Integration? Non-competing more like? My town has been removed from the BE network in the process :mad:
    * Full consultative process on any major transport proposals

    I'd certainly view both the journey planner and RTPI as works in progress. They're a start and a step in the right direction.

    The bus services on Dublin/Mullingar that were altered were the PSO funded services. Why shouldn't services that are being paid for by the state not be integrated (bus and rail)?

    The commercial expressway services on the route (routes 22/23) remain unchanged.

    As for Leixlip being removed from the Bus Eireann network - there were two services a day via Leixlip Village - hardly earth shattering - I can't imagine that there were huge numbers using it at that stop. Clearly there weren't as it has been re-routed.


  • #107
    n97 mini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    lxflyer wrote: »
    As for Leixlip being removed from the Bus Eireann network - there were two services a day via Leixlip Village - hardly earth shattering - I can't imagine that there were huge numbers using it at that stop. Clearly there weren't as it has been re-routed.
    The service that existed was a bit of a sham and quite awkward to use, due to scheduling and pick/drop-off only. Instead of removing it they could have improved it to something along the lines of the 120/123 and Celbridge.


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