Fluoride endgame approaches....

Lefticus Loonaticus · 03-08-2012 4:13am #1

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/letters/2012/0731/1224321156328.html

'Sir, – The problem with fluoride just got a whole lot bigger now that Harvard University has published a study in a peer-reviewed journal by the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences demonstrating how fluoride in water can cause permanent neurological damage to children. The Harvard study joins 26 other scientific studies in finding that fluoride is a dangerous neurotoxin.

This supports the findings noted in the esteemed Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons in its review of water fluoridation by Prof Joel M Kauffman, PhD, which concluded: “There is evidence that fluoridation increases the incidence of cancer, hip fractures, joint problems, and that by causing fluorosis it damages both teeth and bones. Other medical problems may also occur, including neurological damage. Fluoridation of municipal water should cease. Individuals should remove fluoride from their tap water if fluoridation cannot be stopped.”

It also supports the observations in the recent Irish risk assessment of water fluoridation titled Human Toxicity, Environmental Impact and Legal Implications of Water fluoridation which was submitted to the Government in March 2012. – Yours, etc,

DECLAN WAUGH,
Doherty’s Road,
Bandon,
Co Cork.'

Looks as tho the fact that fluoride is a serious health hazard is finally beginning to seep out into the mainstream.

The real question is; will the Irish government act hastily to rid this chemical from our water system; or will they just keep pretending they knew none the wiser and thus avoid scandal.

Ill bet they will keep it going as long as possible. At least until they are out of office, so someone else can deal with the political repercussions.

Do you think any of the cabinet drink water from their taps?

Do you drink water from the tap.........?

kneemos · 03-08-2012 4:29am

Our tapwater often turns brown after heavy rain,if you look closly you can see tiny bits floating in it,plus the slight chemical smell sometimes and the disgusting taste and no I don't drink it.Is flouride not banned in most countries?

dlofnep · 03-08-2012 4:32am

Stopped drinking tapwater years ago - If for anything other than the fact it tastes rank.

Lyaiera · 03-08-2012 4:35am

I really liked the Harvard review from a few weeks ago that said the government appreciated and really want a popolus of broken hips and mentally retarded HSE users. It made their life a lot easier and really cheered them up in the morning over their bowls of lizard blood.

FanadMan · 03-08-2012 4:40am

Why post this at this time of the morning if you think it's that important? And especially in AH - not many people gonna take it seriously in here :rolleyes:

Lefticus Loonaticus wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/letters/2012/0731/1224321156328.html

'Sir, – The problem with fluoride just got a whole lot bigger now that Harvard University has published a study in a peer-reviewed journal by the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences demonstrating how fluoride in water can cause permanent neurological damage to children. The Harvard study joins 26 other scientific studies in finding that fluoride is a dangerous neurotoxin.

This supports the findings noted in the esteemed Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons in its review of water fluoridation by Prof Joel M Kauffman, PhD, which concluded: “There is evidence that fluoridation increases the incidence of cancer, hip fractures, joint problems, and that by causing fluorosis it damages both teeth and bones. Other medical problems may also occur, including neurological damage. Fluoridation of municipal water should cease. Individuals should remove fluoride from their tap water if fluoridation cannot be stopped.”

It also supports the observations in the recent Irish risk assessment of water fluoridation titled Human Toxicity, Environmental Impact and Legal Implications of Water fluoridation which was submitted to the Government in March 2012. – Yours, etc,

DECLAN WAUGH,
Doherty’s Road,
Bandon,
Co Cork.'

Looks as tho the fact that fluoride is a serious health hazard is finally beginning to seep out into the mainstream.

The real question is; will the Irish government act hastily to rid this chemical from our water system; or will they just keep pretending they knew none the wiser and thus avoid scandal.

Ill bet they will keep it going as long as possible. At least until they are out of office, so someone else can deal with the political repercussions.

Do you think any of the cabinet drink water from their taps?

Do you drink water from the tap.........?

face1990 · 03-08-2012 4:46am

Big thread on this in the conspiracy theories forum.

I wouldn't give babies tap water, and I've heard (and it makes sense) that baby formula shouldnt be made with flouridated water. But for a fully grown adult, I don't think it makes that much of a difference. There's bigger things to worry about.

I drink tap water. My tap water tastes quite nice actually, and makes a lovely cup of tea.

policarp · 03-08-2012 5:37am

The thing that amuses me, is that the water is treated, filtered and fluoridised, then most of it is flushed down the pan. . .

grenache · 03-08-2012 5:48am

I grew up in the countryside. We've always had our own well, none of that nasty fluoride in our supply. Just pure natural spring water. My cousins from the city always remarked how much better it tasted than what they were used to.

Now that I live in a city I do miss it.

uberalles · 03-08-2012 5:59am

If you have long showers the chemical vapourises and you breath it in through your lungs. Ive heard it's v bad for your lungs as well. It's possible to get a filter to remove it from your water supply.

It's about time its removed from our water supply. Our cat won't drink it because he knows it's poison.

danniemcq · 03-08-2012 7:49am

I remember as a kid at home (small town in Donegal) the water was always cloudy or discoloured or had stuff floating in it most of the time but i drank it regardless.

Fast Forward a heap of years and its Galways Cryptospiridium outbreak. At a mates houseparty and early in the morning everyone is parched and no beer left so only choice is water.

of the 5 of us that drank the water 4 ended up horribly sick (one was nearly hospitalised) but me i was grand just a tad hungover the next day. I thank my crappy water growing up to make me immune!

(and yes for scientific research i drank a few more pints of water as a just to see what would happen and nothing ever did)

Cienciano · 03-08-2012 8:13am

Does this mean everyone with a hip replacement can sue the government?

hoodwinked · 03-08-2012 8:22am

i lived on tap water in my teenage years, could drink a few pints of it in a day,

never did much harm other than giving me unbelievably healthy teeth compared to the amount of junk food and fizzy drinks (and the fact i eat lemons like oranges which apparently is bad for your teeth

) i was also consuming!

(i say unbelievable as my dentist still cannot believe the amount of sweets i eat and how good my teeth are - we put it down to the tap water i still drink and use to brush daily)

in saying that my grand parents lived on the north side of Cork but id NEVER drink water there, they used have to leave their tap run for a few seconds to leave the water go from brown to clear it was awful, and more often than not they would get boil water notices.

bren50c · 03-08-2012 8:30am

Fluoride Endgame!!! lol ... I'm off to build a bunker and wait for the end of days so.

alastair · 03-08-2012 8:38am

It's the usual conspiracy nonsense. For another perspective:

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/antifluoridation-bad-science/#more-22052

bren50c · 03-08-2012 8:44am

Yeah op you need to chill out and enjoy life

2 stroke · 03-08-2012 8:48am

hoodwinked wrote: »

i lived on tap water in my teenage years, could drink a few pints of it in a day,

never did much harm other than giving me unbelievably healthy teeth compared to the amount of junk food and fizzy drinks (and the fact i eat lemons like oranges which apparently is bad for your teeth ) i was also consuming!

(i say unbelievable as my dentist still cannot believe the amount of sweets i eat and how good my teeth are - we put it down to the tap water i still drink and use to brush daily)

Could be that your water is so toxic that the bacteria and plaque that cause decay cannot survive in your mouth.

Nephinbeg · 03-08-2012 8:55am

I don't know why so many people seem to have a problem with tap water. Anywhere I've ever lived, in both rural Mayo and various parts of Dublin, I've never had a problem with drinking it.

I think people have this notion that bottled water is gonna be healthier for you.
I wonder do the same people apply the same irrational reasoning to the health effects of plastics leached from the bottles as they do to the level of fluoride in tap water.

TPD · 03-08-2012 9:20am

My tap water in Buncrana was great, here in Letterkenny, not so much.

hoodwinked · 03-08-2012 9:30am

2 stroke wrote: »

Could be that your water is so toxic that the bacteria and plaque that cause decay cannot survive in your mouth.

thats what im thinking :eek:

Cienciano · 03-08-2012 9:30am

alastair wrote: »

It's the usual conspiracy nonsense. For another perspective:

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/antifluoridation-bad-science/#more-22052

You're not suggesting anti flouridation groups are talking bollocks? I'm shocked! Those people would make out that water is bad for you because 40 people drowned last year.

withless · 03-08-2012 9:33am

kneemos wrote: »

Our tapwater often turns brown after heavy rain,if you look closly you can see tiny bits floating in it,plus the slight chemical smell sometimes and the disgusting taste and no I don't drink it.Is flouride not banned in most countries?

I am a fully licensed and bonded pipe manager and I think I see your problem. You are drinking from the toilet.

iguana · 03-08-2012 9:44am

Hoodwinked, the state of your teeth has much more to do with your genetics than how you treat them. I'm allergic to flouride and haven't drank tap water since my teens when I had my tonsils removed needlessly due to what turned out to be the allergy. I struggle to brush my teeth because it causes my mouth to blister, so I've never been conscientious about it. Yet not only are my teeth perfect but I still have one of my milk teeth at 33. It's just dumb luck.

hoodwinked · 03-08-2012 9:48am

iguana wrote: »

Hoodwinked, the state of your teeth has much more to do with your genetics than how you treat them. I'm allergic to flouride and haven't drank tap water since my teens when I had my tonsils removed needlessly due to what turned out to be the allergy. I struggle to brush my teeth because it causes my mouth to blister, so I've never been conscientious about it. Yet not only are my teeth perfect but I still have one of my milk teeth at 33. It's just dumb luck.

i still have 5 milk teeth left, im inclined to agree with the genetics factor because going by nurture i should be toothless!

iguana · 03-08-2012 9:56am

I would have 4 but the dentist removed 3 of them when I was 12, as she could see the adult teeth coming up on the x-ray and was worried that the milk teeth were too healthy to fall out and could make the new teeth come out crooked. For some reason I never grew an adult tooth under the last milk tooth, but it's probably genetic as my mother never grew that particular tooth either.

opinion guy · 03-08-2012 10:40am

The actual article is here for anyone who wants to read it for themselves:

http://ehp03.niehs.nih.gov/article/fetchArticle.action;jsessionid=5C98A897B69464FD44D98698EE9FC4A1?articleURI=info%3Adoi%2F10.1289%2Fehp.1104912

Edit: there is some problem with the pdf link at the moment but try later I'm sure they will fix it

Sea Filly · 03-08-2012 11:06am

dlofnep wrote: »

Stopped drinking tapwater years ago - If for anything other than the fact it tastes rank.

The occasional house I've lived in has had rank-tasting water, but most places it has been grand. Much better drinking that then wasting money and damaging the environment further by buying water.

Sea Filly · 03-08-2012 11:10am

grenache wrote: »

I grew up in the countryside. We've always had our own well, none of that nasty fluoride in our supply. Just pure natural spring water. My cousins from the city always remarked how much better it tasted than what they were used to.

Now that I live in a city I do miss it.

My grandmother's house gets its water supply from the spring well in her garden. It's incorporated into the plumbing. Best. Tea. Ever. Now, she did have problems with the fact that it's very hard water but it was worth it, I think.

Fluoride isn't nasty though.

Junior D · 03-08-2012 11:38am

I know I'm probably going to sound harsh, but the stupidity of some people can just be mind-boggling at times. Do you really think the government, as bad as they are, would leave Fluoride in our water supplies if it was a neurotoxin and caused all those problems claimed?? Do you think the toothpaste companies would put Fluoride in toothpaste if it had all those problems claimed??

At extremely high levels, Fluoride can be dangerous, but in Ireland its level in drinking water is only around 0.8p.p.m.. It cannot be proven that its involved in increasing the risk of bone fractures and if anything was disproven at the levels involved in drinking water, same with increasing the risk of cancer and all those other bs claims.

OP if you're actually interested in finding out real info about Fluoride, read this:
http://www.fluoridesandhealth.ie/background/fluoridation_forum_summary.pdf

Those anti-Fluoride groups are actually some of the stupidest people I've ever seen. They just like to report the sensationalist, untrue claims. I've seen one website which claimed Fluoride was a method of brain control and it turns your brain to mush.

alastair · 03-08-2012 11:47am

Junior D wrote: »

Those anti-Fluoride groups are actually some of the stupidest people I've ever seen. They just like to report the sensationalist, untrue claims. I've seen one website which claimed Fluoride was a method of brain control and it turns your brain to mush.

Yep - and that's why the Nazis just loved it for the oul concentration camps. Won't someone think of the children!?

I have to admit. Conspiracy guff just winds me up.

Junior D · 03-08-2012 11:50am

Or read this to help with the understanding. Its the Fluoride section of a paper I wrote called "The Improvements in the Oral Health of children in Ireland in the last 50 years". I was limited to a word count, so its somewhat compressed. I've even given references so if you're that pushed you can look up the info yourself. Btw some of the pictures and tables I had in it won't come up and may look a little weird. I forgot to mention here that DMFT stands for Decayed Missing or Filled Teeth. dmft is the same but for children:

Fluoride
In 1901, whilst working in Naples, an American physician, J.M. Eager, documented a high frequency concerning enamel defects and stained teeth in his patients. In 1930 H.V. Churchill investigated the cause of this mottled enamel. Using a new analytical method on the water supplies of the affected patients, he found high concentrations of fluoride at 13.7 parts per million (p.p.m.). Subsequent water analysis from other affected areas also revealed high fluoride concentrations ranging from 2p.p.m to 12p.p.m.[4] Excessive fluoridation was confirmed as the cause for the enamel defects and stained teeth.[5] Then in 1942, Dr. H. Trendley Dean demonstrated that areas with a drinking water supply fluoride content of 1p.p.m., the incidence of dental caries in children was below average, without the consequence of mottled enamel which occurred with a fluoride level in excess of 2p.p.m. (Water Fluoridation and Public Health page 5.). “Dental caries is a dynamic process characterized by episodic demineralisation and remineralisation occurring over time.”[6] As of the understanding that fluoride may be beneficial to the teeth, there was mass fluoridation around the world. In 1964 the Irish Supreme Court decided to implement water fluoridation to the country, despite the challenge of a Mrs Ryan regarding the ethical issue of consumption choice behind the move. [4] At this moment in time, roughly 73% of the Irish population receives a fluoridated water supply, containing an average of 0.8p.p.m. [7] Fluoride has now been shown to decrease the incidence of caries in Irish children. In non-fluoridated areas the “halo effect”, “the presence of fluoride in common items of food and drink which are manufactured in the larger fluoridated towns and cities and then distributed widely in surrounding non-fluoridated areas”, of fluoride is accountable for a reduction in the incidence of caries.[4]
One way of assessing how effective fluoride has been for improving the oral health of Irish children in the last fifty years is to compare them to their Northern Irish counterparts, who do not receive fluoridated water.[4] In 2002, the incidence of caries in five year olds living in the Republic of Ireland was 44% lower than those living in the North of Ireland. Also, the DMFT among the fifteen year olds of the Republic of Ireland was 42% lower than those living in Northern Ireland. In the last fifty years, there has been a big decrease in dmft values in Ireland.
Indicators of dental caries in fluoridated and non-fluoridated areas in the Southern Health Board region
12 year old children
Non-Fluoridated Area
Fluoridated Area DMFT Score in: 1984 1995
4.1 1.8
3.3 1.3
15 year old children
Non-Fluoridated Area
Fluoridated Area DMFT Score in: 1984 1995
6.8 4.3
5.4 2.8

[Reference: O’ Connor, M., Fitzpatrick, P., Johnson, H. & Thornton, L. (1999) “Water Fluoridation and Public Health” Faculty of Public Health Medicine Royal College of Physicians of Ireland pp. 14]

Since the mass fluoridation of water there has been a reduction of dental caries by approximately 70%. [7] Despite fluoride’s fundamental role in reducing caries incidence, it cannot prevent pit and fissure caries. This is because the fluoride ions cannot pass into the narrow fissures of the tooth’s occlusal surface. [8]
Water fluoridation is not the only method of introducing fluoride to the body. The prevalent use of toothpaste has also contributed to the decline in caries incidence. Studies have shown a synergistic relationship between fluoridated water and fluoridated toothpastes, i.e. they have a greater benefit when used simultaneously than when either is used alone.[4]
Topical fluorides are also available, which are recommended for at-risk patients. Fluoride gel use is recommended for those aged 6 and over, 5% sodium fluoride varnishes recommended for all age groups. Fluoride varnish efficacy and safety are well-supported by extensive studies and trials.
Mean dmft of 12-year old children in Eastern Health Board region (greater Dublin area), 1961-97. The years shown are 1961, 1984, 1993 and 1997 respectively
[Reference: Clarkson J., Mc Loughlin, J. & O’ Hickey S. (2002) “Water Fluoridation in Ireland – A Success Story” Discovery. 82(5), pp. 334-337]

References
[1] Daly, B., Watt, R., Batchelor, P. & Treasure, E. (2005) Essential Public Dental Health. London: Oxford University Press, pp. 79-81 & 204
[2] WHO (1987) Oral Health Surveys Basic Methods. Available at: http://whocollab.od.mah.se/expl/orhcpitn.html (Accessed: 10 March 2012)
[3] Ertugay, E. et al. (2001) “The Use of the Index of Orthodontic Treatment Needs (IOTN) in a School Population and Referred Population”, Journal of Orthodontics, Vol. 28, No. 1, 45-52, March 2001, ManeyJournals [Online]. Available at: http://jorthod.maneyjournals.org/cgi/content/full/28/1/45 (Accessed: 10 March 2012)
[4] Department of Health and Children, Fottrell, P. et al. (2002) “Forum on Fluoridation Ireland – Executive Summary”, History of Water Fluoridation. Available at: http://www.fluoridesandhealth.ie/background/fluoridation_forum.pdf (Accessed: 10 March 2012)
[5] Kidd, E. (2004) “Fluoride Supplementation” in Kidd, E. A.M. (eds.) Essentials of Dental Caries. London: Oxford University Press, pp. 114-117
[6] Murray, J.J. et al. (2005) “Dental Caries” in Mitchell, D., Mitchell, L. Oxford Handbook of Clinical Dentistry. 4th ed. London: Oxford University Press, pp. 28-30
[7] Dental Health Foundation Ireland (2011) Services for Children’s and Special Needs Groups. Available at: http://www.dentalhealth.ie/dentalhealth/services/specialneeds.html (Accessed: 10 March 2012)
[8] White, B. (1993) “Toward Improving the Oral Health of Americans: An overview of oral health status, resources and care delivery.” Public Health Reports 108:657-672
[9] Irish Dental Association (2010) “Dental Within the Health Boards”. Available at: http://www.dentist.ie/resources/services/mcdentistry.jsp (Accessed: 10 March 2012)
[10] Ormbsy, M. et al. (2010) “Evidence-based guidance on the use of sealants for the prevention and management of pit and fissure caries”, Dental Health. Available at: http://www.dentalhealth.ie/download/pdf/fs_guideline_online_final_v_2.pdf (Accessed: 10 March 2012
[11] UAB Magazine (1998) “Dentistry Then and Now – A Revolution In Care”, UAB Magazine, Spring 1998, Volume 18, no.2, Available at: http://main.uab.edu/show.asp?durki=45954 (Accessed: 10 March 2012)
[12] Dentistry Today (2011) Jeffery M. Rosenberg DDS “Technology enhances caries diagnosis and treatment”, Available at: http://www.dentistrytoday.com/restorative/mid-restorative/4341-technology-enhances-caries-diagnosis+treatment (Accessed: 10 March 2012)
[13] Endo Experience (2011) “Local Anesthesia in Dentistry – Then and Now”, Available at: http://www.endoexperience.com/filecabinet/Clinical%20Endodontics/Anesthesia/Local%20Anesthetics%20in%20Dentistry.pdf. (Accessed: 10 March 2012)
[14] Your Dentistry Guide (2011) “Laser Dentistry: Enhancing dental treatment with laser” Lesley Ranft Available at: http://www.yourdentistryguide.com/laser/ (Accessed: 10 March 2012)
[15] Children’s Food Campaign (2011) Home Page “Food advertising to children”, Available at: http://www.childrensfoodcampaign.net/ (Accessed: 10 March 2012)
[16] HSE (2004) “Winning Smiles: Schools Oral Health Promotion Programme for 7-8 year olds”, Available at: http://www.lenus.ie/hse/bitstream/10147/45044/1/6777.pdf (Accessed: 10 March 2012)

Junior D · 03-08-2012 11:52am

alastair wrote: »

Yep - and that's why the Nazis just loved it for the oul concentration camps. Won't someone think of the children!?

I have to admit. Conspiracy guff just winds me up.

Yeah sorry, should've mentioned that the Fluoride was added to the water by Nazi's to control their population's minds. :rolleyes:

03-08-2012 11:55am

I don't mind some tap water, but where I live now, it's very hard and tastes disgusting
we use a jug filter thingy

alastair · 03-08-2012 11:58am

It's worth pointing out that fluoride is tasteless, so the nastiness of certain region's tap water is down to other factors. Whether the Nazis were involved I can't say for sure.

hardCopy · 03-08-2012 12:00pm

bren50c wrote: »

Yeah op you need to chill out and enjoy life

That's just what Rothschilds would want the sheeple to do!

03-08-2012 12:01pm

Fluoride endgame sounds like a pretty **** video game to me.

seamus · 03-08-2012 12:01pm

No problem with tap water here. We use a filter jug because it's nice to have a couple of litres of cold water in the fridge, but I've no problem drinking from the tap.

It's probably the reason why I've no fillings or problems with my teeth despite decades of poor dental hygiene.

Junior D · 03-08-2012 12:01pm

The Nazi's added a load of other chemicals to the water in the hope it would calm or sedate the population

03-08-2012 12:02pm

hardCopy wrote: »

That's just what Rothschilds would want the sheeple to do!

What do the Rothschilds family have to do with flouride? never heard them mentioned in same sentence as flouride before

alastair · 03-08-2012 12:05pm

Junior D wrote: »

The Nazi's added a load of other chemicals to the water in the hope it would calm or sedate the population

I heard it was MiWadi. Preferred squash of all totalitarian regimes.

iguana · 03-08-2012 12:06pm

alastair wrote: »

It's worth pointing out that fluoride is tasteless, so the nastiness of certain region's tap water is down to other factors. Whether the Nazis were involved I can't say for sure.

More to do with the chlorine, imo. Most water filters don't remove the fluoride either so if people are having a problem with the tap water and find the problem goes away with use of a jug filter then the problem is not the fluoride.

Sea Filly · 03-08-2012 12:07pm

bluewolf wrote: »

I don't mind some tap water, but where I live now, it's very hard and tastes disgusting
we use a jug filter thingy

I LOVE hard water, has such a nice bite to it.

Cienciano · 03-08-2012 12:18pm

Junior D wrote: »

Those anti-Fluoride groups are actually some of the stupidest people I've ever seen. They just like to report the sensationalist, untrue claims. I've seen one website which claimed Fluoride was a method of brain control and it turns your brain to mush.

Just read a few anti flouride websites. It takes about 10 seconds to google each of their claims to realise it's either bullshite.
What a bizarre thing to get caught up in, against something like this. Just pick a random thing and pretend the government are somehow out to get us!
Chemtrails is another one.

Lawliet · 03-08-2012 12:18pm

I'd rather drink tap water; it's under much stricter regulation than bottled water. Boiling and filtering water doesn't get rid of fluorine, you'd need a osmosis filter to remove the molecules.
Fluorine is tasteless -it's chlorine that has a taste and smell.
Also I can't think of anything in water that would react with fluorine to give a brown precipitate, I think a more likely cause would be iron in the water supply from rusty pipes.

mauzo · 03-08-2012 12:19pm

When I was a child I went months without brushing my teeth, literally. I smoke, drink, eat sugary foods, lots of fruit and wine.

My family have awful teeth. Both parents look awful, missing teeth, false teeth, rotten teeth etc. My sister's front tooth is completely black.

I have great teeth, I think? They are really white, I brush 3 times a day, no fillings. Just one missing tooth at the back

I always drink tap water, my son drinks tap water......

Apparently over half of irish people aren't happy with their smile. I just heard that on tv3, maybe it was 30%?!

Boombastic · 03-08-2012 12:28pm

Has anyone mentioned the household charge yet?

*gets coat before they do

seamus · 03-08-2012 12:28pm

Cienciano wrote: »

What a bizarre thing to get caught up in, against something like this. Just pick a random thing and pretend the government are somehow out to get us!
Chemtrails is another one.

I reckon that contrary to popular belief, the people who get caught up in this stuff are actually quite intelligent but have just missed something in their critical evaluation of the information, or lack the experience to critically evaluate the theories presented. They show a strong ability to thread together known information and apply it to new scenarios and new information.

I have a good friend who has in recent years gotten a little caught up in this stuff. He's an intelligent guy but comes from a bad background and didn't exactly have a stunning education. He absorbs information like a sponge, but doesn't really know how to filter it properly. So when someone explains something to him (such as flouridation) from the anti-government slant, he sees no reason to doubt them (the arguments are compelling if you have no reason to doubt the speaker) and gets caught up in it.
Like most conspiracy theories, they can then tend to feed off eachother. So if you take it for granted that governments are surreptitiously medicating populations with flouride, you will easily accept that they could also spray chemicals from the air.

Unless you possess the knowledge or experience to realise that the logistics of the latter are far beyond the resources of any Government, then you could easily accept it as a plausible and strong theory. But it doesn't mean the believer is stupid.

zenno · 03-08-2012 12:32pm

Ahh at last someone else takes the headwind in regards to water fluoridation here in Ireland and the dangers of it. I have been harping on about this toxic soup for years and the studies done finally show and prove the dangers, so all the dentists that attacked me in the past should now get on their knees and kiss the hand of zod.

I know you don't want to but kiss my hand and say sorry.

opinion guy · 03-08-2012 12:33pm

Junior D wrote: »

I know I'm probably going to sound harsh, but the stupidity of some people can just be mind-boggling at times. Do you really think the government, as bad as they are, would leave Fluoride in our water supplies if it was a neurotoxin and caused all those problems claimed?? Do you think the toothpaste companies would put Fluoride in toothpaste if it had all those problems claimed??

At extremely high levels, Fluoride can be dangerous, but in Ireland its level in drinking water is only around 0.8p.p.m.. It cannot be proven that its involved in increasing the risk of bone fractures and if anything was disproven at the levels involved in drinking water, same with increasing the risk of cancer and all those other bs claims.

OP if you're actually interested in finding out real info about Fluoride, read this:
http://www.fluoridesandhealth.ie/background/fluoridation_forum_summary.pdf

Those anti-Fluoride groups are actually some of the stupidest people I've ever seen. They just like to report the sensationalist, untrue claims. I've seen one website which claimed Fluoride was a method of brain control and it turns your brain to mush.

I think its pretty stupid to try and convince people of something by first telling them they are stupid.

hooradiation · 03-08-2012 12:36pm

zenno wrote: »

Ahh at last someone else takes the headwind in regards to water fluoridation here in Ireland and the dangers of it. I have been harping on about this toxic soup for years and the studies done finally show and prove the dangers, so all the dentists that attacked me in the past should now get on their knees and kiss the hand of zod.

I know you don't want to but kiss my hand and say sorry.

Well, if you're right I'm certain they might consider it.
Until then.....

wendell borton · 03-08-2012 12:46pm

This whole flouride conspiracy is a smoke screen perpetrated to take attention away from the realy scary stuff found in the supply.
Hydronium Hydroxide is also in the pipes, deadly stuff responsible for innumerable deaths. http://www.dhmo.org/.

My name is URL · 03-08-2012 12:47pm

I don't buy into the whole conspiracy aspect of it, or believe that it's overly dangerous... that stuff actually takes away from the arguments against fluoridation and is usually brought up by those on the pro-fluoridation side to discredit and belittle any and all opposing views.

It's an outdated and regressive way to tackle the problem of dental caries. Fluoride is in basically every foodstuff that you eat and drink, so there's no reason to add it wholesale to water supplies these days. If people want to consume supplemental fluoride then they should purchase it in salt or tablet form. It shouldn't be pumped into everyone's home just because a few people are too stupid or too lazy to properly brush their teeth.

Better education on dental hygiene, together with supervised school rinsing programs from an early age has been shown to massively decrease the levels of DMFT's in Cuba (over 50% reduction after just a few years). Surely a more directly targeted approach like that is a better idea.

Fluoride endgame approaches....

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