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  • #52
    turgon
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    Do do all ye who did English actually read literature in your spare time? Why did ye pick it?


  • #53
    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
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    turgon wrote: »
    Do do all ye who did English actually read literature in your spare time? Why did ye pick it?

    Some of it, bit of a wikipedia job on some sections though if I'm honest


  • #54
    captainspeckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 606 ✭✭✭captainspeckle


    turgon wrote: »
    Why did ye pick it?

    simple answer really.. because i wanted to study english. nothing sinister.:D ha ha!


  • #55
    turgon
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    But would I be right in my conviction that many of those who take English arent really into English literature/poetry?


  • #56
    orangetictac
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    turgon wrote: »
    But would I be right in my conviction that many of those who take English arent really into English literature/poetry?

    Obviously alot of them will be mad into it and will have read 100s of classics. But there will always be others especially in first year.

    Lots of people, I imagine, enjoyed writing essays or whatever for the LC but have yet to read much more than horrid henry, captain* underpants and whatever novels they did in school. Now they will be able to give reading a shot for a year and see if they enjoy it.

    People choose 4 subjects after all and once theyve picked their fav 2/3 subjects (history geography etc)they may have the to try something new. English seems like a good(safe??) choice because even if they don't like it...at least it doesnt seem as risky as learning a brand new language or taking philosophy could be.

    Don't really know if i was answering any question or commenting on turgons or anyones opinion. Never post like that :eek:
    *may not be his correct title


  • #57
    turgon
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    I heard stories yesterday of a girl skipping poetry lectures because she didnt agree with what they were learning :mad:

    I think the "safe" thing orangetictac mentioned is it. I just wonder what proportion of people are doing it just for this? Am I right in thinking its over half?

    Like, how many people could I really start discussing WB Yeats with who were actually into it? :)


  • #58
    Skapoot
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    This seems to be turning into a "rant against english students" thread:pac:


  • #59
    Leopardi
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    Like, how many people could I really start discussing WB Yeats with who were actually into it? :)[/quote]

    My experience at UCC and elsewhere leads me to say very few. I recall my attendance at Literary Society meetings where the criterion for joining seems to have been a total ignorance of major works.

    After all, it's not very "cool" to have read literary masterpieces, but we knew that at Junior Cert. level, didn't we?

    As for studying English at UCC, I would certainly encourage anyone who has a passion for the subject to consider it. The range of options on offer, coupled with the credentials of the academic staff (both personal and professional) lead to a very rewarding experience.


  • #60
    KnifeWRENCH
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    WB Yeats, eh? Granted I only did him for my Leaving Cert but from what I read about him he seemed like a very unpleasant person and his "poetry" was pretentious rubbish that, compared to some of the other poets on our course (the excellent Eliot and Plath in particular), was really not worth my time and effort to read.

    And I'm not even an English student! :pac:

    Seriously though, I don't think it really matters what motivates them to do English. The fact that they choose it shows that they have at least some modicum of interest.
    I do Physics but I really couldn't care les about classical mechanics - it bores the arse of me. Whereas quantum mechanics and thermodynamics I find fascinating.

    You don't have to like every aspect of a subject to enjoy studying it: if an English student loves creative writing and is very good at it, it doesn't matter that they might hate stuying complicated poetic techniques and meters and stuff.

    *shrug*
    Just my opinion.


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  • #61
    ReacherCreature
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    turgon wrote: »
    Do do all ye who did English actually read literature in your spare time? Why did ye pick it?

    This is the second or third time I've seen this question asked around the UCC forum, mad to know? :)

    My reason's are fairly similar to other people's ones here.
    simple answer really.. because i wanted to study english. nothing sinister.:D ha ha!

    +1 on this. I just wanted to study it. When I seen the all-round element of the course, it looked like each area could be enjoyable to study. I liked the amount of aspects within the course such as Poetry, Drama, Film, Language etc. In retrospective, some parts were dreadfully boring, others not...In my opinion.
    People choose 4 subjects after all and once theyve picked their fav 2/3 subjects (history geography etc)they may have the to try something new. English seems like a good(safe??) choice because even if they don't like it...at least it doesnt seem as risky as learning a brand new language or taking philosophy could be.

    Same on this. It was a safe option for me. Once I got my Greek/Roman civilisation & History and wanted to pick a couple more relatively 'safe' options. Despite this I really did like English in Leaving Cert and I wanted to continue with it 'to give it a go'. I also fancy a challenge sometimes too, so that made the decision to pick English too. Also, knowing I could drop a subject when done with 1st year made English 'disposable' after I was done a year of it, therefore moving on to whatever lay ahead in 2nd year.
    captain* underpants *may not be his correct title

    You're correct sir/madam!


  • #62
    captainspeckle
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    turgon wrote: »
    I heard stories yesterday of a girl skipping poetry lectures because she didnt agree with what they were learning :mad:

    Like, how many people could I really start discussing WB Yeats with who were actually into it? :)

    that person is silly... why did she bother doing the subject if she didnt want to learn new things or step out of her box!!???:o

    do i sense a superiority complex???? maybe I am totally off kilter....:eek::D


  • #63
    turgon
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    First of all, its pretty clear that those English students here are those who are interested. Thats good because begrudging bástards like me need to be put in their place.
    Knife-WREEENCH wrote: »
    Seriously though, I don't think it really matters what motivates them to do English. The fact that they choose it shows that they have at least some modicum of interest.

    Usually. However I think with English people pick it because they see it, having been a compulsory subject in school, as a very safe course. So they pick it for a level of personal safety, not because of an interest. Thereby restricting those who ave an interest.
    Knife-WREEENCH wrote: »
    WB Yeats, eh? Granted I only did him for my Leaving Cert but from what I read about him he seemed like a very unpleasant person and his "poetry" was pretentious rubbish that, compared to some of the other poets on our course (the excellent Eliot and Plath in particular), was really not worth my time and effort to read.

    Thats your opinion. :) I havent read much poetry, but of what i have read Yeats seems the best in that his poetic skills are excellent and that his subject matter is very important. Contrasting Yeats with feminist Rich for example, I would consider Yeats' poem "The Second Coming" more important than all of Riches poetry Ive read combined.

    Thats just something I value in literature myself, importance. I would value books like 1984 and Lord of the Flies greatly because I consider their subject matter important.

    And ... finally .... square_igloo was a way cooler username :P


  • #64
    Casper89
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    everywhere I look people are dissing sociology! so far all I can gather is people find it cripplingly boring...but are these just people who chose sociology as a subj cos they thought it would be 'relatively dossy'?
    has anyone actually interested in sociology found it to be lacking as a course??


  • #65
    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
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    Casper89 wrote: »
    everywhere I look people are dissing sociology! so far all I can gather is people find it cripplingly boring...but are these just people who chose sociology as a subj cos they thought it would be 'relatively dossy'?
    has anyone actually interested in sociology found it to be lacking as a course??

    It's made to sound very interesting in the prospectus. I signed up for it because of that and because I thought it might have a bit of overlap with English in terms of the writers. The first few parts of the course are good, as far as I remember, Kieran Keohane I found very interesting. But pretty soon it gets into pretty abstract, overly academic stuff, learning about the history of sociology, writings on the nature of sociology etc, which in my opinion would be better suited to the second or third arts programme, once people have a broader knowledge base to work from and are more able to deal with academic writing. They kind of throw you in at the deep end a bit imo, sociology is a "new" subject to everyone, as in they didn't do anything like it in school, and the module title "Introduction to Sociology" is grossly misleading.


  • #66
    ReacherCreature
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    ...but are these just people who chose sociology as a subj cos they thought it would be 'relatively dossy'?

    I've seen this a couple of times. People just take the subject like sociology, philosophy etc. just as filler. One guy I know took Philosophy as a subject (He'd be a fairly serious studious guy) and he said it's just a doss/filler subject. I was lost at the time, couldn't believe that someone would just take a subject as a fill up. It became clearer upon entering UCC though!


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  • #67
    captainspeckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 606 ✭✭✭captainspeckle


    turgon wrote: »
    Usually. However I think with English people pick it because they see it, having been a compulsory subject in school, as a very safe course. So they pick it for a level of personal safety, not because of an interest. Thereby restricting those who ave an interest.


    do you question people who chose to study commerce or physics or biology as much as you question people who chose english? i seriously dont understand why you are even asking this question.... if your english class ends up to be full of dossers that really does not matter to you. once you are enjoying and making the most outt of the course, that is really all that matters! it will in no way restrict those with interest. :cool:


  • #68
    turgon
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    captainspeckle wrote: »
    do you question people who chose to study commerce or physics or biology as much as you question people who chose english? i seriously dont understand why you are even asking this question.... if your english class ends up to be full of dossers that really does not matter to you. once you are enjoying and making the most outt of the course, that is really all that matters! it will in no way restrict those with interest. :cool:

    Firstly ... Im not the on doing it :D

    Ye see its my buddy who wants to do 2 of English, History and Geography, but he wont get a chance to try all 3 in first year because their so popular.


  • #69
    grenache
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    itsallaboutheL wrote: »
    plus fúcking 1 for most of the Arts departments!!
    The women in the office upstairs in the Geography Department are the most unhelpful and grumpy i've come across yet. If you even approach them they give you this "what do you want now!" stare from their sour faced pusses. Everything is a chore for them, they'll never do anything for you or give you a simple answer to a question without adding a smart comment in with it. One girl who sits in the far back desk is also forever on the phone, and kept me waiting over 7 minutes one day, i just walked out. I hate those b*tches and they are one of the two reasons i won't be keeping on Geography in second year.

    Contrast this with the Archaeology Department who could not be more helpful. They are so helpful and friendly, and have a great sense of humour, I would have preferred Geography as a subject to Archaeology but because the archaeology department are so good to deal with, i'm keeping that subject on.


  • #70
    ReacherCreature
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    he wont get a chance to try all 3 in first year because their so popular.

    Unless your friend puts down -

    1. English.
    2. Geography
    3. History.

    He could get lucky and get all three?


  • #71
    turgon
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    History is the one he wants most asfaik :)


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  • #72
    ReacherCreature
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    turgon wrote: »
    History is the one he wants most asfaik :)

    Ach. Stuck between a rock and a hard place I suppose.

    What you think he wants most?


  • #73
    ash:)
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    hey dudes! :D
    YA im hopin to do arts in ucc in september too...irish and history hopefully, havent thought about the other 2 yet!:confused:...anyone know what the irish is like as a subject down there?:)


  • #74
    captainspeckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 606 ✭✭✭captainspeckle


    ash:) wrote: »
    hey dudes! :D
    YA im hopin to do arts in ucc in september too...irish and history hopefully, havent thought about the other 2 yet!:confused:...anyone know what the irish is like as a subject down there?:)

    anyone that i ever mat loved irish.. the dept. were very helpful and they enjoyed the course content. from what they told me its pretty intense but very worthwhile and enjoyable. i havent heard anything bad about the subject, but i didnt do it myself so i dont have huge knowledge of it.

    history is brilliant though, so interesting! definately keeping it on for my degree!


  • #75
    ash:)
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    history is brilliant though, so interesting! definately keeping it on for my degree!

    ya i heard history is unreal there. :D lookin forward to HOPEFULLY starting the course :p
    just one more thing..would you have to be seriously unreal at history to do alright in it in college?:)


  • #76
    captainspeckle
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    ash:) wrote: »
    ya i heard history is unreal there. :D lookin forward to HOPEFULLY starting the course :p
    just one more thing..would you have to be seriously unreal at history to do alright in it in college?:)

    i ddint do history at school, just decided to give it a try. it was my best result in my exams this summer, so no, you dont have to be good at it in school. just work at it in college. :D


  • #77
    ReacherCreature
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    ash:) wrote: »
    ya i heard history is unreal there. :D lookin forward to HOPEFULLY starting the course :p
    just one more thing..would you have to be seriously unreal at history to do alright in it in college?:)

    History...like you said...is unreal. :D

    No, you wouldn't have to be super awesome at it. I was talking to a few people who didn't do it since 1-3rd year in secondary school and they loved it. By all means do do it if you want just put in a bit of work with it and you'll definatly like it.

    I love the subject and like captainspeckle said, I'll be keeping it on for my degree.


  • #78
    itsallaboutheL
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    ReacherCreature wrote: »
    History...like you said...is unreal. :D

    No, you wouldn't have to be super awesome at it.

    OMG OMG OMG I like SOOOOO agree with you like.


  • #79
    ReacherCreature
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    Good man L. :P

    I like your enthusiasm.


  • #80
    ash:)
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭ash:)


    aww lads thats wicked helpful altogether! :D

    Sound!!:cool:


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