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Porto kicked out of CL

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  • #2
    [Deleted User]
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    This is less suprising tbh. Fully deserved and undermines their CL win somewhat.


  • #3
    _blank_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Bribing refs?

    In the CL or in the domestic league?

    Jesus christ, has the title been taken off them too?


  • #4
    _blank_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    One wonders how much Jose knew about this.

    Christ, this is big news IMO.

    I didn't even know it was being investigated. :confused:


  • #5
    leninbenjamin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,983 ✭✭✭leninbenjamin


    lol wtf? i had no idea that this was being threatened. still, can't argue with it. in fact they probably should be punished even heavier. it's a bit ridiculous they can be found guilty of bribing referees and still be able to win the championship.


  • #6
    Eirebear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    Deleted User wrote: »
    This is less suprising tbh. Fully deserved and undermines their CL win somewhat.

    Completely agree, im more interested in who will replace them TBH.


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  • #7
    Mossy Monk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    Well done to UEFA


  • #8
    DerekD Goldfish
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭DerekD Goldfish


    DesF wrote: »
    Bribing refs?

    In the CL or in the domestic league?

    Jesus christ, has the title been taken off them too?


    as far as I remember from when the investigation broke it was 2 leage game


  • #9
    gucci
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,283 ✭✭✭gucci


    DesF wrote: »
    Bribing refs?

    In the CL or in the domestic league?

    Jesus christ, has the title been taken off them too?

    according to BBC Sport:
    Portuguese champions Porto have been excluded from next season's Champions League over alleged bribery of referees in the 2003/04 season.

    The allegations relate to Porto's 2-0 win against Estrela da Amadora and their 0-0 draw with Beira Mar.

    This sort of stuff is really sickening to see. I'm sure far more of it goes on than is ever discovered/punished.


  • #10
    Mushy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,491 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    UEFA pulled out all the stops in punishment there. Why not have them relegated and fined something? Poor conclusion all round though.


  • #11
    DerekD Goldfish
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭DerekD Goldfish


    Mushy wrote: »
    UEFA pulled out all the stops in punishment there. Why not have them relegated and fined something? Poor conclusion all round though.

    It not uefas decision to relegate them that would be the portugese FA
    AFAIK


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  • #12
    Mushy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,491 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    DerekD Goldfish wrote: »
    It not uefas decision to relegate them that would be the portugese FA
    AFAIK

    Ah alright, thats fair enough then. Do you know are the Portugese FA doing anything about it?


  • #13
    SantryRed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭SantryRed


    Ah well, still should be the next Portugese team in line to take their place:D

    If Milan get into the Champions League through either of these ways it will be a complete farce. Who's to say anyone has to be brought in anyways?

    Maybe one of the teams in the qualifying phase can just get a bye?

    This really undermines Mourinho though in all fairness. Wonder if he knew about it?:confused:


  • #14
    DerekD Goldfish
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭DerekD Goldfish


    Mushy wrote: »
    Ah alright, thats fair enough then. Do you know are the Portugese FA doing anything about it?

    No Idea
    Its(appears to be) the same situation as when Marseille won the title in 1993
    they got done for bribing refs in league games so uefa coudnt take CL of them so they banned them from europe and the french FA demoted them for 2 years
    Id be surprised if the portugese FA didnt follow suit


  • #15
    armour87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 848 ✭✭✭armour87


    Proof?

    edit: didn't realise it had went to court


  • #16
    aidan24326
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    SantryRed wrote: »
    This really undermines Mourinho though in all fairness. Wonder if he knew about it?:confused:

    Mourinho may have known nothing at all about it so it's unfair to drag his name into it at this stage. I don't know of any charges being brought against him. They only drew one of the games 0-0 so maybe they weren't paying the ref enough!

    If anyone is to replace them it should be the next Portugese team in line.


  • #17
    DerekD Goldfish
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭DerekD Goldfish


    aidan24326 wrote: »
    Mourinho may have known nothing at all about it so it's unfair to drag his name into it at this stage. I don't know of any charges being brought against him. They only drew one of the games 0-0 so maybe they weren't paying the ref enough!

    If anyone is to replace them it should be the next Portugese team in line.

    Even if he was blameless it does undermine his achievements at Porto


  • #18
    citytillidie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,271 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    Why would Milan replace them?

    ******



  • #19
    DerekD Goldfish
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭DerekD Goldfish


    citytillidie wrote: »
    Why would Milan replace them?

    As the highest ranked UEFA team not currently in the competition
    see other thread on matter


  • #20
    Hobart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭Hobart


    Mushy wrote: »
    Ah alright, thats fair enough then. Do you know are the Portugese FA doing anything about it?

    They already have.


  • #21
    delija_sever029
    Registered Users Posts: 3,008 ✭✭✭delija_sever029


    Benfica will replace Porto
    And for doing same 3 years ago Milan was awarded to play CL anyway while Juve was banned to 2nd league,Uefa mafiosi....


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  • #22
    DerekD Goldfish
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭DerekD Goldfish


    delija_sever029 wrote: »
    Benfica will replace Porto
    And for doing same 3 years ago Milan was awarded to play CL anyway while Juve was banned to 2nd league,Uefa mafiosi....

    Milan did not do the same
    they were not convicted of bribing referees


  • #23
    delija_sever029
    Registered Users Posts: 3,008 ✭✭✭delija_sever029


    So does depends what kind of illegal jobs they were doing?


  • #24
    kryogen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    it really does undermine Mourinho imo, nothing suggests he was made aware of this, but it takes away form his champs league victory.

    its probably going on more then people think to be honest, corruption is everywhere and its sad to see. destroying the game

    The number of high profile cases especially in Italy recently highlights the growing problem


  • #25
    zAbbo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,987 ✭✭✭✭zAbbo


    Oooh, Jose Mourinho's magic,
    he wears a magic hat...


  • #26
    Eirebear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    According to the reports Porto were deducted six points for it last season.... 6 points FFS, thats a joke.

    I reckon Porto have got away extremely lightly for this one.


  • #27
    monkey9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,337 ✭✭✭✭monkey9


    And now Mouriniho is managaing in Italy!! This is all very convenient and suspicious if you ask me.


  • #28
    grames_bond
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,820 ✭✭✭grames_bond


    kryogen wrote: »
    it really does undermine Mourinho imo, nothing suggests he was made aware of this, but it takes away form his champs league victory.
    its probably going on more then people think to be honest, corruption is everywhere and its sad to see. destroying the game

    The number of high profile cases especially in Italy recently highlights the growing problem

    i dont htink it does, neither of the refs were bribed in the CL games, they wwon that competition fair and square!


  • #29
    DerekD Goldfish
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭DerekD Goldfish


    grames_bond wrote: »
    i dont htink it does, neither of the refs were bribed in the CL games, they wwon that competition fair and square!

    But if they had their league games easier than they should have been then they had an advantage in the CL.


  • #30
    Unearthly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,047 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    This surely includes the linesman at Old Trafford that season!!!!

    [/still bitter]


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  • #31
    Sherifu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,727 ✭✭✭✭Sherifu


    Holy shit.


  • #32
    Ruskie4Rent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭Ruskie4Rent


    Unearthly wrote: »
    This surely includes the linesman at Old Trafford that season!!!!

    [/still bitter]

    And the uefa cup final in 03...... I know the ref is highly thought of but there was alot of messin' allowed that day.


  • #33
    Eirebear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    Ruskie4Rent wrote: »
    And the uefa cup final in 03...... I know the ref is highly thought of but there was alot of messin' allowed that day.

    Ha! wondered how long it would be before that one came up.....


  • #34
    patmac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,589 ✭✭✭patmac


    I heard about this a few weeks ago and was going to start a thread on it but didn't get round to it, I believe Boavista got relegated as a result of the same investigation, I couldn't understand then and still don't now how Porto were only deducted 6 points which had no affect on the standings I put it down to the obvious influence that they must have within the Portuguese FA.


  • #35
    delija_sever029
    Registered Users Posts: 3,008 ✭✭✭delija_sever029


    Yes Boavista is relegated for same reason in 2nd league and Porto lost 6 points coz they fixed 2 games,same weird as case in Italy 2 years ago when they got 8 points of Milan and Lazio


  • #36
    Necronomicon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,589 ✭✭✭✭Necronomicon


    Unearthly wrote: »
    This surely includes the linesman at Old Trafford that season!!!!

    [/still bitter]

    lol, this is the first thing I thought of! :)


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  • #37
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Necromomicon wrote: »
    lol, this is the first thing I thought of! :)

    Me too. Scholes was so far ONSIDE that it makes u wonder.




    I know 2 wrongs don't make a right and all that but u have to say that if I were a Porto fan Id be pissed since Milan did the same thing in 2006 and got a free pass from UEFA....


  • #38
    Mr. Presentable
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,496 ✭✭✭Mr. Presentable


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Me too. Scholes was so far ONSIDE that it makes u wonder.




    I know 2 wrongs don't make a right and all that but u have to say that if I were a Porto fan Id be pissed since Milan did the same thing in 2006 and got a free pass from UEFA....

    What did Milan do in 2006? I have no recollection of them being found guilty of bribing referees.


  • #39
    Mr. Presentable
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,496 ✭✭✭Mr. Presentable


    DesF wrote: »
    I didn't even know it was being investigated. :confused:

    Jesus, Des, once they stop telling you what's going on you know you're next for the push........


  • #40
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    nipplenuts wrote: »
    What did Milan do in 2006? I have no recollection of them being found guilty of bribing referees.

    They were punished under a match fixing scandal mate. Lose the blinkers. Selecting referees etc is ok with you yes? Glad u dont work in the football authorities. They were originally booted out and got back in on appeal.


  • #41
    Mr. Presentable
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,496 ✭✭✭Mr. Presentable


    Deleted User wrote: »
    They were punished under a match fixing scandal mate. Lose the blinkers. Selecting referees etc is ok with you yes? Glad u dont work in the football authorities. They were originally booted out and got back in on appeal.

    Neil, if you knew anything about the calciopoli story you would know that nothing was proven against Milan. That they were punished for being disloyal to the sport, for "colluding in attempting" to influence the selection of referees. No referee was ever found to have been selected, influenced, no game to have been fixed.


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  • #42
    Iago
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,638 ✭✭✭Iago


    nipplenuts wrote: »
    they were punished for being disloyal to the sport, for "colluding in attempting" to influence the selection of referees. No referee was ever found to have been selected, influenced, no game to have been fixed.

    well that's ok then.


    You see your honour I didn't actually kill him, sure I paid someone to have a pop at him I grant you that but he missed, so no harm no foul ehh? ehh?


  • #43
    Size=everything
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Size=everything


    DerekD Goldfish wrote: »
    Milan did not do the same
    they were not convicted of bribing referees


    Juventus' charge was absolutely bogus and completely over the top.

    It was said to be match influencing by the way not match fixing.

    Every year at the end of the season Juventus would send out gifts to all the referees and this along with Moggi requesting for his preferred referees (not ones that favour Juve but ones that might ref more strictly or loosely according to their gameplan) was enough to relegate Juventus.

    Milan did the same but we all know who was their chairman, PM of Italy and head of the Italian FA at the time (i think?)


  • #44
    Mr. Presentable
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,496 ✭✭✭Mr. Presentable


    Iago wrote: »
    well that's ok then.


    You see your honour I didn't actually kill him, sure I paid someone to have a pop at him I grant you that but he missed, so no harm no foul ehh? ehh?

    Of course it's not ok, but neither is it ok to misrepresent the actual events that occurred.

    And you cannot accuse me of murder if I didn't actually kill anyone. In fact I didn't even pay someone to have a pop - I couldn't figure out a way to do it. So maybe you can get me for conspiracy :)


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