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Tonight With Vincent Browne Thread v2.0

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  • #3952
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    "A man tells how his life was destroyed by crime"

    Crimes HE committed.. Vincent is gonna allow this lad to blame the Government for his crimes..


  • #3953
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,198 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    JonathanAnon wrote: »
    "A man tells how his life was destroyed by crime"

    Crimes HE committed.. Vincent is gonna allow this lad to blame the Government for his crimes..

    Crime ruined my life too. If I had committed crime then I might have more wealth and a better lifestyle now.


  • #3954
    Cardinal Richelieu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,407 ✭✭✭Cardinal Richelieu


    JonathanAnon wrote: »
    "A man tells how his life was destroyed by crime"

    Crimes HE committed.. Vincent is gonna allow this lad to blame the Government for his crimes..

    David Drumm?


  • #3955
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    Cardinal Richelieu wrote: »
    David Drumm?

    Nah, apparently some elements of the state were willing to prosecute this lad.


  • #3956
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,198 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Fcuking butter vouchers. He must be 80.

    Next week -- Travellers are Victims too.


  • #3957
    Cardinal Richelieu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,407 ✭✭✭Cardinal Richelieu


    We had no money.............. but me Ma and Da were in the penthouse every night living it up.


  • #3958
    Skid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,873 ✭✭✭Skid


    'I stole a Mountain Bike ... because I didn't have a bike and all me friends did'

    Sorry Vincent, my only sympathy is for whoever's bike this waster stole.


  • #3959
    steelcityblues
    Registered Users Posts: 4,630 ✭✭✭steelcityblues


    Vinny really needs to read some Ayn Rand.


  • #3960
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,198 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    What is the purpose of this ?


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  • #3961
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    Well, all of it is his own fault so far...


  • #3962
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Mr Browne was right when he said that some viewers might be unhappy with blocking him out, show the bistards face. grrrr


  • #3963
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    He went to college to learn about Sociology, aha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha h:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

    Hilarious


  • #3964
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,198 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Should we take up a collection for the poor lad ?


  • #3965
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    So far this guy has had methodone programmes, college programmes, psychologists all freeeeeeeeeeeee, crime pays its fact


  • #3966
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    He said that his employer fired him exclusively because they found out about his past. Is it just me or was his physiological response to the "And were you still on drugs" question something that would have sent off red flags on a polygraph?


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  • #3967
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    OK back to studio, first question from VB to FG member of the panel - ok, so what are FG gonna do about it?

    I've a feeling I'll be switching off v soon


  • #3968
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,198 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    This lad is on a mission of some sort. He has Vinnie twisted around his little finger. Nothing was his fault and he got no help.


  • #3969
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    JonathanAnon wrote: »
    Well, all of it is his own fault so far...

    His own fault he was beaten as a child ? I know you'll whinge and moan about anything Vincent has on the show but thats a bit much.


  • #3970
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    MungBean wrote: »
    His own fault he was beaten as a child ? I know you'll whinge and moan about anything Vincent has on the show but thats a bit much.

    If Vincent met a lad like this across his sitting room at 4am in the morning, he would change his tune..

    Fair enough if he's "paid off his debt to society" as it's called, even though his victims are still traumatised after his armed assaults... But dont come on the show looking for sympathy.


  • #3971
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    And the crime victims helpline comes up ! HA !!


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  • #3972
    take everything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,807 ✭✭✭take everything


    In fairness i think he is genuine enough.

    Edit: But i think he's more concerned about what happened to him than what he has done to others.


  • #3973
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    JonathanAnon wrote: »
    If Vincent met a lad like this across his sitting room at 4am in the morning, he would change his tune..

    Fair enough if he's "paid off his debt to society" as it's called, even though his victims are still traumatised after his armed assaults... But dont come on the show looking for sympathy.

    I dont care whether he's looking for or getting sympathy but you cant ignore the factors that led to his living that kind of life. These people are not just born as scumbags they grow up in an environment that makes them scumbags.


  • #3974
    HeidiHeidi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,524 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Seems genuine, sort of - but am I the only one thinking he's spouting lines he's learned in counselling along the way?

    ETA - and who's chattering in the background?


  • #3975
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    MungBean wrote: »
    His own fault he was beaten as a child ? I know you'll whinge and moan about anything Vincent has on the show but thats a bit much.

    He was probably crying too much


  • #3976
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,198 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    MungBean wrote: »
    I dont care whether he's looking for or getting sympathy but you cant ignore the factors that led to his living that kind of life. These people are not just born as scumbags they grow up in an environment that makes them scumbags.

    That will be of great benefit to the two people he claims to have left on life support.


  • #3977
    Janedoe10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭Janedoe10


    Guy knows it is over . Is his victims meant to forget ...? Isn't the world a better place . What a load of clap trap ....


  • #3978
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    tayto lover wrote: »
    That will be of great benefit to the two people he claims to have left on life support.

    So label him scum and not bother trying to understand why he is that way ?


  • #3979
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    MungBean wrote: »
    I dont care whether he's looking for or getting sympathy but you cant ignore the factors that led to his living that kind of life. These people are not just born as scumbags they grow up in an environment that makes them scumbags.


    Bullsh1te - his life is repeated in every part of Ireland and not everyone that had no money turned out to be a druggie and a criminal, thousands of people grew up in families that had nothing but didn't go on to be criminals.


  • #3980
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    MungBean wrote: »
    So label him scum and not bother trying to understand why he is that way ?

    No matter how bad his life was, he has no right to put somebody else on a life support machine or to put a gun in somebody's face.... Sure there were contributory factors, but Vincent seem adamant to blame everything on "society" because it suits his own agenda.

    Vincent gives no weight at all to the freewill these people have to make right or wrong decisions, and that they choose to use their freewill to inflict huge damage on to others..


  • #3981
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,198 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    MungBean wrote: »
    So label him scum and not bother trying to understand why he is that way ?

    See post 3979.


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  • #3982
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    vicwatson wrote: »
    B*ll**** - his life is repeated in every part of Ireland and not everyone that had no money turned out to be a druggie and a criminal, thousands of people grew up in families that had nothing but didn't go on to be criminals.

    Not everyone but the overwhelming majority of "druggie criminals" come from those backgrounds. Its common sense that if you grow up in that environment exposed to crime, drug abuse and violence theres a high likelihood you will end up living that life for long after you childhood.


  • #3983
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    Christ they've managed to find a woman more aggressive than Clare Daly. :eek:


  • #3984
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    JonathanAnon wrote: »
    No matter how bad his life was, he has no right to put somebody else on a life support machine or to put a gun in somebody's face.... Sure there were contributory factors, but Vincent seem adamant to blame everything on "society" because it suits his own agenda.

    Vincent gives no weight at all to the freewill these people have to make right or wrong decisions, and that they choose to use their freewill to inflict huge damage on to others..

    I'm not saying he has and Vincent isnt blaming "society" because it suits his agenda he's questioning how this problem can be addressed.

    Would you rather sweep it all under the rug and just wait until some other junkie puts someone else on a life support ?


  • #3985
    Red21
    Closed Accounts Posts: 594 ✭✭✭Red21


    vicwatson wrote: »
    Bullsh1te - his life is repeated in every part of Ireland and not everyone that had no money turned out to be a druggie and a criminal, thousands of people grew up in families that had nothing but didn't go on to be criminals.
    How many people do know with loving parents, who ended up in prison?


  • #3986
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    MungBean wrote: »
    Not everyone but the overwhelming majority of "druggie criminals" come from those backgrounds. Its common sense that if you grow up in that environment exposed to crime, drug abuse and violence theres a high likelihood you will end up living that life for long after you childhood.


    You chose your own course in life, I repeat - the far majority of people who grow up in tough circumstances go on to lead law abiding lives, just because you have a poor/broken/bad background it doesn't mean you will automatically be a criminal and whatismore is that it's not an excuse to blame your background on being a criminal. Criminality is a life choice it seems. Take responsibility.


  • #3987
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    See how the Travellers would feel if we DID put the bondholders money in to their haltings sites, and then they have no social welfare and child benefit next month when the Troika pulls the plug on our bailout money.

    I have a funny feeling that Vincent aint gonna like what he hears on the Twitter machine.


  • #3988
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    vicwatson wrote: »
    You chose your own course in life, I repeat - the far majority of people who grow up in tough circumstances go on to lead law abiding lives, just because you have a poor/broken/bad background it doesn't mean you will automatically be a criminal and whatismore is that it's not an excuse to blame your background on being a criminal. Criminality is a life choice it seems. Take responsibility.

    So you think background has nothing to do with it ? Is there the same percentage of people from wealthy backgrounds living this type of life ? Of course not, because the reasons these people live this lifestyle is because they are exposed to violence, drugs and crime throughout their lives, they dont hop on a fcukin bus to dublin dreaming of being a junkie scumbag.


  • #3989
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,584 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    JonathanAnon wrote: »
    See how the Travellers would feel if we DID put the bondholders money in to their haltings sites, and then they have no social welfare and child benefit next month when the Troika pulls the plug on our bailout money.

    I have a funny feeling that Vincent aint gonna like what he hears on the Twitter machine.

    Jaysus change the record.


  • #3990
    HeidiHeidi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,524 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    JonathanAnon wrote: »
    See how the Travellers would feel if we DID put the bondholders money in to their haltings sites, and then they have no social welfare and child benefit next month when the Troika pulls the plug on our bailout money.

    I have a funny feeling that Vincent aint gonna like what he hears on the Twitter machine.

    No Twitter machine tonight.... or texts....


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  • #3991
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    So you think background has nothing to do with it ?

    Don't recall saying that. Perhaps you can remind?

    The point is is that if 100 people come from a "disadvantaged" background, perhaps 5 of them will turn into druggie scumbag criminals, the other 95% will lead a law abiding life, but 100% are from the disadvantaged background, ergo, the far majority of people that come from a disadvantaged background will be law abiding citizens. Crime is a lifestyle choice.


  • #3992
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    vicwatson wrote: »
    Bullsh1te - his life is repeated in every part of Ireland and not everyone that had no money turned out to be a druggie and a criminal, thousands of people grew up in families that had nothing but didn't go on to be criminals.

    So scumbags are just born that way then?
    vicwatson wrote: »

    The point is is that if 100 people come from a "disadvantaged" background, perhaps 5 of them will turn into druggie scumbag criminals, the other 95% will lead a law abiding life, but 100% are from the disadvantaged background, ergo, the far majority of people that come from a disadvantaged background will be law abiding citizens. Crime is a lifestyle choice.

    It's not just about where one was born or how wealthy one's family is, but what kind of parents one has. I think it goes without saying that any kids, say, Wayne Dundon has, are more likely to end up as criminals than the kids of the law abiding family living across the road. To dismiss sociological factors so summarily is not only to deny reality, but it's also to deny an understanding of crime and criminality which might be used to prevent it.


  • #3993
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    vicwatson wrote: »
    Don't recall saying that. Perhaps you can remind?

    So you do understand that background does impact on a persons lifestyle choice ? Now we are getting somewhere !!
    The point is is that if 100 people come from a "disadvantaged" background, perhaps 5 of them will turn into druggie scumbag criminals, the other 95% will lead a law abiding life, but 100% are from the disadvantaged background, ergo, the far majority of people that come from a disadvantaged background will be law abiding citizens. Crime is a lifestyle choice.

    Everything involves choice, repeatedly highlighting that is a cop out from putting forward a real argument. Nobody has said anything about them having no choice but you cant deny that crime rates are higher in disadvantaged areas and its not simply because these people want more than anything else to be criminals and junkies.

    You think every factory worker in Ireland wants to be a factory worker ? Or you think most of them have to do it because there are very few other options available to them for supporting themselves ? Its the same in certain areas where crime is seen and taught to kids as a viable option to get money. For others addicted to drugs its the only way they can get the money to feed the habit, is there choice ? Course there is but saying they want to do that and will never do anything else is pointless. You have to try and figure out why they ended up that way and try to prevent others from following the same path.

    All well and good to call them all scum but people still have to deal with those scum and will always have to deal with those scum in ever increasing numbers unless the problem is tackled. We cant neuter them to stop them reproducing and we cant put them all down. So what do we do ? Just keep repeating "Crime is a life style choice" ? That probably wont do much I dont think.


  • #3994
    jimmyw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,382 ✭✭✭jimmyw


    I cant really take that Damien English fella seriously,(not I would anyway:)) with that accent of his:(.

    This "pathways to work crap" is only fiddling the numbers, cause technically these people who train are not unemployed, but their not working either:confused:.


  • #3995
    mossyc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭mossyc123


    He's talking a lot of sense in fairness...


  • #3996
    steelcityblues
    Registered Users Posts: 4,630 ✭✭✭steelcityblues


    jimmyw wrote: »
    I cant really take that Damien English fella seriously,(not I would anyway:)) with that accent of his:(.

    This "pathways to work crap" is only fiddling the numbers, cause technically these people who train are not unemployed, but their not working either:confused:.

    Exactly. The government wants to take over the role of local industry.


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  • #3997
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    mossyc123 wrote: »
    He's talking a lot of sense in fairness...

    I think he's been a lot better tonight. I've seen him being poor on this show, but he's good tonight.. Heard Joan Burton on today with Mary Wilson, and both of them were awful..


  • #3998
    mossyc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭mossyc123


    JonathanAnon wrote: »
    I think he's been a lot better tonight. I've seen him being poor on this show, but he's good tonight.. Heard Joan Burton on today with Mary Wilson, and both of them were awful..

    Moanfest!!!

    He is getting the better of VB IMO.


  • #3999
    Harry Angstrom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,351 ✭✭✭✭Harry Angstrom


    jimmyw wrote: »
    I cant really take that Damien English fella seriously,(not I would anyway:)) with that accent of his:(.

    This "pathways to work crap" is only fiddling the numbers, cause technically these people who train are not unemployed, but their not working either:confused:.

    English is a knob-head. The Government keep peddling this nonsense that unemployed people are scroungers and fraudsters. If they say it enough, then the public will start to believe it. At the height of the "Celtic Tiger" only 30,000 were long-term unemployed - evidence that the vast majority of people are not scroungers or fraudsters.


  • #4000
    ascanbe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    That English guy exudes all the normal arrogance that seems to be the hall-mark of the young FG TD's that appear on this programme, along with the added bonus of not bothering to speak in a manner that's easily understandable.


  • #4001
    jimmyw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,382 ✭✭✭jimmyw


    Its feckin ridiculous how short the programme is:(


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