Luas vs. Bin Lorry

L1011 · 17-09-2007 7:47pm #1

Apparently a Luas had put a bin lorry in to the Dice Bar on Benburb Street.... most serious incident yet?

Red Alert · 17-09-2007 8:08pm

Hope the Luas was alright! They're probably structurally no match for a bin lorry but they've horrendously powerful motors compared to the lorry's engine!

okidoki987 · 17-09-2007 8:10pm

Still find it amazing nobody's died yet.

L1011 · 17-09-2007 8:19pm

Statistically there should have been a few deaths by wing mirrors or whatever, like there are for Dublin Bus/Irish Rail every year; its an amazingly safe system - until a numpty jumps lights...

Ste.phen · 17-09-2007 8:35pm

Any photos?

BendiBus · 17-09-2007 11:00pm

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0917/luas.html

Good to see it reported that the truck did the crashing, not the Luas.

In the early days it was always reported as Luas crashing into the other vehicle.

Red Alert · 18-09-2007 9:18am

Dare I suggest that they increase the number of crossover points and power them to deal with situations like today.

markpb · 18-09-2007 9:20am

MYOB wrote:

Statistically there should have been a few deaths by wing mirrors or whatever, like there are for Dublin Bus/Irish Rail every year; its an amazingly safe system - until a numpty jumps lights...

Very hard to be killed by a Luas wing mirror when it's a camera mounted eight feet off the ground

Duiske · 18-09-2007 9:26am

Story about this in the Indo.

Mr. Presentable · 18-09-2007 9:30am

Red Alert wrote:

Dare I suggest that they increase the number of crossover points and power them to deal with situations like today.

What they need to do is publicly prosecute the **** out of anyone involved in an incident with the LUAS - truck must have run a light, no?

L1011 · 18-09-2007 10:10am

markpb wrote:

Very hard to be killed by a Luas wing mirror when it's a camera mounted eight feet off the ground

I'm sure if I jumped all 6'5" of me in to it when it was passing at speed, it might hurt a bit...

Chris_533976 · 18-09-2007 12:39pm

They need to make an Irish version of this and humiliate the stupid people.

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nagero · 18-09-2007 12:52pm

Chris_533976 wrote:

Vid of trams ploughing into cars.

If that's the Metro's greatest hits then here's the safe version on youtube.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CV2rdGX4JYc

Borzoi · 18-09-2007 1:07pm

nagero wrote:

If that's the Metro's greatest hits then here's the safe version on youtube.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CV2rdGX4JYc

I particularly like the ine at 1:34 where the white car ignore the straight only road markings, so they can turn left into a tram. Nice

But on a more serious note: How's the pub? It's a good spot the Dice bar

fitzyshea · 18-09-2007 1:13pm

I think there have been a few accidents / incidents on this point of the line. It should be noted that its usally becuase some dimwit has gone through a red light or entered the yellow box on the junction. Its about time that Luas prosecuted these people with a hefty fine to cover the cost of all the damage if they dont already do so.

stovelid · 18-09-2007 1:55pm

Was only in the dicer on Saturday. I like the area near the front door door too. Hopefully, the damage isn't too bad.

daymobrew · 18-09-2007 2:21pm

nipplenuts wrote:

What they need to do is publicly prosecute the **** out of anyone involved in an incident with the LUAS - truck must have run a light, no?

I emailed Veolia ages ago asking whether they got the vehicle to pay for damages to Luas trams. They said that they dealt with it like any other motor vehicle crash, which I assume means that the at-fault party pays.

Indo article wrote:

Six people were taken to hospital after the Dublin Corporation truck first struck a busy Luas tram, before shattering the window and damaging the side wall of the Dice Bar at Queen St in Dublin 7.

Dublin Corporation? Must be a very old truck. When was DC renamed to Dublin City Council?

El Stuntman · 18-09-2007 2:43pm

sure the Dice bar is a dump anyways

<ducks>

constellation · 18-09-2007 2:57pm

daymobrew wrote:

Must be a very old truck. When was DC renamed to Dublin City Council?

See first line of Wikipedia article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_Corporation

Remember kids. If it is on Wikipedia then it must be true.

Chris_533976 · 18-09-2007 3:14pm

nagero wrote:

If that's the Metro's greatest hits then here's the safe version on youtube.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CV2rdGX4JYc

Yeah thats it. Searched on youtube but couldnt find the damn thing....

Thx..

corktina · 18-09-2007 3:32pm

everyone of those youtube crashes were because of incompetant drivers.....so how come every time a tram hits something, the articles sound like it was the trams fault?

I think drivers need to appreciate that the tram cant swerve so if you hit one, its gonna be a big bang....i make sure i give them a wide berth when ever im near them...

Wishbone Ash · 18-09-2007 4:09pm

nipplenuts wrote:

What they need to do is publicly prosecute the **** out of anyone involved in an incident with the LUAS

It's dealt with by the respective insurance companies just like any other traffic accident.

corktina wrote:

the tram cant swerve...... ......i make sure i give them a wide berth

If it can't swerve, why give it a wide berth. Wouldn't it be more important to give 'ordinary' vehicular traffic a wide berth?

Hotblack Desiato · 19-09-2007 2:55am

Wishbone Ash wrote:

It's dealt with by the respective insurance companies just like any other traffic accident.

Not good enough. Why not prosecute for dangerous driving?

John R · 19-09-2007 5:37am

ninja900 wrote:

Not good enough. Why not prosecute for dangerous driving?

That would be up to the Gardai and the DPP not the tram operators. I'm sure that RPA/Veolia would be more than happy to assist the authorities in any prosecution but it is not their decision to make.

Hotblack Desiato · 19-09-2007 10:23am

John R wrote:

That would be up to the Gardai and the DPP not the tram operators. I'm sure that RPA/Veolia would be more than happy to assist the authorities in any prosecution but it is not their decision to make.

Yes, I know, but there's been a good few crashes involving the Luas by now and they always seem to be caused by the other driver doing something totally stupid and/or illegal. I haven't heard of a single one being prosecuted though. If it was up to me, I'd be making an example of these people...

corktina · 19-09-2007 8:19pm

Wishbone Ash wrote:

If it can't swerve, why give it a wide berth. Wouldn't it be more important to give 'ordinary' vehicular traffic a wide berth?

Oh right...i'll get as close as possible then and swerve myself at the last minute....:D

Victor · 20-09-2007 3:00am

From Paris.

corktina · 20-09-2007 7:43am

whoops...hardly a scratch on the tram... How much does a LUAS weigh? 100 tonnes? treat with respect....

daveirl · 20-09-2007 7:48am

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paulm17781 · 20-09-2007 2:39pm

daveirl wrote:

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Yellow boxes are used here as a way to beat the lights, people stop on them and then they have to move when the lights change against them.

I see this far too often, very frequently on O'Connell bridge where the Gardai do an excellent job of nothing about it. :mad:

I honestly think that clamping down on stopping in yellow boxes and the like would filter through to the whole driving mentallity here and in the long run probably make us better drivers.

rednik · 22-09-2007 11:39pm

It would appear that people are not getting the message. This afternoon there was another crash involving a car this time and a tram again at the Queen St junction. Traffic lights ignored all the time in the City.

John R · 23-09-2007 1:05am

Digital red light cameras at major junctions and all tram crossovers along with 4 penalty points for the offence would soon change the attitude.

Carrot never works in Ireland, big fúcking stick is always needed to get people to behave.

Poxyshamrock · 23-09-2007 1:16am

Queen St. really does seem to be the Tram/motor vehicle blackspot.

Bee · 23-09-2007 1:52am

The crash highlights once again why Dublin should have built an underground rather than a Luas, we should have had eight times the carrying capacity as originally proposed for the underground rather than the farcial Luas system.

MarkoP11 · 23-09-2007 11:32am

Reason these collisions happen is since motorists for some stupid reason don't observe the rules of the road, motorists think they are special, its not the trams fault its the stupid motorist

In a collision tram passengers are more likely to be injured not the motorist, sad fact is until someone is killed the typical driver attitude won't change

A huge array of changes have been made to the traffic light sequencing, they don't restrict cars they slow down the trams or even stop them to give the tram driver a chance to visual confirm the crossings as clear and to add several seconds between the red light and the tram getting the clear, that explains the wildly varying journey times, all these measures are to counteract suicidal motorists to the determent of Luas services.

Successful proceedings have been taken against numerous red light jumpers and those involved in collisions are treated as any normal road collision and the gardai get involved. Even the most minor collision requires a engineering inspection and that costs and the RPA's insurance isn't paying

Hagar · 23-09-2007 11:45am

Victor wrote:

From Paris.

The licence plate on the wrecked car is a State plate ie the Gendarmerie

Huggles · 23-09-2007 11:56am

nagero wrote:

If that's the Metro's greatest hits then here's the safe version on youtube.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CV2rdGX4JYc

Jesus they are all driver side impacts too.....ouch

corktina · 23-09-2007 3:55pm

Bee wrote:

The crash highlights once again why Dublin should have built an underground rather than a Luas, we should have had eight times the carrying capacity as originally proposed for the underground rather than the farcial Luas system.

wow....wasnt the LUAS expensive enough for you then?:rolleyes:

monument · 23-09-2007 4:24pm

Photos of the Dice Bar/bin truck/Luas crash...

http://unarocks.blogspot.com/2007/09/dice-bar-smashy-smashy.html

BendiBus · 23-09-2007 6:18pm

Bee wrote:

The crash highlights once again why Dublin should have built an underground rather than a Luas,

No. While there may be many reasons for building an underground, the crash simply highlights crap driving!

murphaph · 23-09-2007 7:24pm

Interesting watching that metro video. Most seemed to be nearside blindspot collisions. Obviously the morons driving those cars didn't look at their mirrors and or blindspot. If they can't see a 100 tonne tram how on earth would they see a motorcyclist?

Hagar · 23-09-2007 7:31pm

It's worse than that, they are offside/driver's side. They drive on the right.

BrianD · 23-09-2007 8:38pm

... plus the liklihood is that they would have passed the tram at some point earlier. Note how long it takes the tram to stop.

Having said that, I don't believe that the montage would be indicative of what's happening in Dublin as for the most part it seems that the collisions in Dublin are at 90 degrees to the trim at cross roads.

Victor · 23-09-2007 10:26pm

MarkoP11 wrote:

Successful proceedings have been taken against numerous red light jumpers and those involved in collisions are treated as any normal road collision and the gardai get involved. Even the most minor collision requires a engineering inspection and that costs and the RPA's insurance isn't paying

Surely it is the offender's insurance should be paying?

Victor · 23-09-2007 10:26pm

MarkoP11 wrote:

Successful proceedings have been taken against numerous red light jumpers and those involved in collisions are treated as any normal road collision and the gardai get involved. Even the most minor collision requires a engineering inspection and that costs and the RPA's insurance isn't paying

Surely it is the offender's insurance should be paying?

congo_90 · 23-09-2007 10:58pm

ironically my friend's da works for them and knows the driver. apparently his da thinks the luas was at fault somehow

LOL ah well.
The poor luas. Looks like the pub is gonna need some serious work from lookin at the pics

quote from friend:

tomo says:
hes lyk wdf dat luas is in d rong
it wuz a fella dat wrks 4 him drivin d truk

Cionnfhaolaidh · 24-09-2007 3:31am

what?

constellation · 24-09-2007 7:28am

congo_90 wrote:

quote from friend:

tomo says:
hes lyk wdf dat luas is in d rong
it wuz a fella dat wrks 4 him drivin d truk

Translation:

congo_90 wrote:

My good friend, Thomas, said to me, "The person driving the Luas was clearly in the wrong. I know this to be true, since the gentleman driving the truck in question is employed by myself. Barkeep! Another glass of Pinot Noir, if you please...."

corktina · 24-09-2007 7:43am

now dat I do like!!!!

wheres the ROFL smilie?:)

corktina · 24-09-2007 7:45am

Victor wrote:

Surely it is the offender's insurance should be paying?

absolutely and should be pursued vigourously...might have a chastening effect on all the other chancers then

Hotblack Desiato · 25-09-2007 1:11am

corktina wrote:

absolutely and should be pursued vigourously...might have a chastening effect on all the other chancers then

No it wouldn't, people lose their NCB all the time due to gross stupidity on their part and it doesn't change them. Insurance insulates them too much from the consequences of their actions and we don't enforce our motoring laws vigorously enough even if the accident causes injury (I've been at the receiving end of this personally, other driver was 100% to blame but didn't give a sh*te, the Gardai made noises about dangerous driving charges but never followed through.)

Luas vs. Bin Lorry

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