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Home Mechanic Setup

  • 24-04-2014 9:52am
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    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 23,231 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    After my last experience of the bike shop mechanic I'd like to get myself set up with the correct (and decent quality) tools that I would need to rebuild a bike.

    I have a lidl tool box but the quality isnt great.

    Any suggests on tools to purchase and where to purchase?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭omri


    godtabh wrote: »
    After my last experience of the bike shop mechanic I'd like to get myself set up with the correct (and decent quality) tools that I would need to rebuild a bike.

    I have a lidl tool box but the quality isnt great.

    Any suggests on tools to purchase and where to purchase?

    97% of my tools are Park Tool. Theyre expensive but they will last a lifetime and probably my kids will be using them too. So I consider them a good value. I'd say look online - german shops. Pick bits youll use the most. There are few other brands so you can mix for best overall value.

    Chain tool
    Cassette tool
    Chain whip
    3,4,5,6 mm allen key (maybe bigger depends on the bike and setup PT has a nice set)
    BB tool
    Flat and hex screwdrivers
    Cutting knife
    Tyre levers
    Propper pump
    Grease
    Gloves
    Paper towels
    Electrical tape
    Lighter
    Some brushes and bike cleaning "tools"

    More expensive bits
    Cable cutters - something youll need
    Torque wrench (PT has a nice one)
    Bike stand - something youll need too

    If you fancy something extra:
    Crown Race Removal Tool plust Crown Race Fitting Tool
    Headset Press/Fitting Tool - or you could build it yourself - some wooden blocks or washers on long enough bolt will do
    Star Nut Fitting Tool - (if thats the correct name)
    Saw Guide if you ever need to cut the stearer
    Vise - something I don't have but sometimes I wish I had (even portable)
    Wheel Truing Stand


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭kumate_champ07


    this is excellent value but out of stock,

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/ie/en/x-tools-cone-spanner-set/rp-prod10199

    quality just as good as park tools. I have some other x tools. my top 3 brands for value+quality Cyclus,park tools, x-tools

    have a large tub of general purpose grease, doesnt need to be bike specific. Ive some Castrol grease in a large tube.

    have special bearing grease in a small squeezable tube, this is the stuff you dont want to be contaminating with a rag or any dirt. Dura Ace special grease is the best, never tried the Campagnolo stuff tho. I get the Dura Ace grease from America at half the price of Ireland/UK. some German retailers have it but the ones I didnt need anything else from so shipping made it too expensive. unless you want the very best which offers minimal gains, any bearing grease will do. light is faster but doesnt last long, thicker is better at keeping dirt/water out,lasts longer but has more drag(drag is so minute you wouldn't notice)



    I think once you spend over 25 euro you get a decent track pump, more expensive ones are more forgiving of rough handling and have less quirks, Id estimate a 5-10psi loss during pump head removal with the cheap models, could be wrong tho. check the cost of replacement heads, tho sometimes its cheaper just to buy another pump!

    planet X have some nice track pumps sold under a different brand at sometimes twice the price elsewhere


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,778 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Omri's pretty much got it covered above, I tend to buy the park tools stuff as and when I need them but they've all been good. One not listed which I use regularly is a master link pliers which has saved plenty of frustration. Simple stuff like hack saw and vice grips also get used often enough, and coloured insulating tape (for finishing off bar re-wraps), cable ties, and brake and gear cable terminators are also a must.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭omri


    smacl wrote: »

    Yeah missing that, but I don't have any quick links yet - that's about to change though.

    Piece of string is also usefull when you remove your internally routed cable - it took me a lot of fun to try to feed the break cable eventually with the use of hoover I managed to get the string throught the top tube and out :D

    Also good thing is a "chain keeper" tool which you can make out of a spoke to hold the ends of chain when you say fit new one and try to link it with the pin. Or use the chain checker tool with a bit of a fiddling it will do the trick too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Believe it or not, this set contains almost everything you would need to put together a vanilla bike:

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/ie/en/x-tools-bike-tool-kit-18-piece/rp-prod40997

    X tools are good stuff. Probably a small step below Park in overall quality, but I've never had issues with them warping/rounding/bending.

    Really you tend to build up your collection of tools as repairs crop up. The key is to never try and bodge a solution together; find out what tools you need to fit the parts and then go and buy a reputable branded one. Ultimately spending €50 once on a good tool will save you time and ass pain when you inevitably destroy a good part because you didn't have the right tool(s) to fit it.

    I also tend to overbuy on consumables when I need them. So if I'm buying cables, rather than buy a finishing kit 4-pack of cable ends, 2m of cable outer and a tiny tub of grease I'll buy a pack of 50 cable ends, 10m of cable outer and a 500g tub of grease. It works out cheaper to buy bulk in the long run and it means that you're never left stuck for these things. There's nothing more frustrating than scheduling the time fit that lovely €200 part you just bought and finding out that you're missing some basic but essential thing like grease.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭kumate_champ07


    if you have a good solid workbench a bench vise can come in handy.

    most of my basic tool sets come from lidl when they have them in on a thursday. saw their electrical screwdrivers in a tool shop for 24euro under a different name! the digital calipers comes up twice a year, its excellent.


    Im a recent convert to barrier hand cream, the stuff I use smells like marzipan. rub it into your hands and it dries in a minute, when you wash later any grease or oil easily comes off and you dont have dry cracked skin. Im not a fan of gloves

    you dont need that orange smelling gritty hand cleaner if you use the barrier cream, prevention is better than cure!


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    Great thread godtabh, always something I wanted to know myself! I have a mish mash of tools, but a right kit would be great.

    I have the bike stand from LIDL, find it great.
    Disposable gloves :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,830 ✭✭✭doozerie


    Park Tools do make some good tools, but I’ve found that the standard of them is not consistent across their entire range. I’ve read some bad reviews of some of their generic tools, their adjustable wrench for example, some of them seem to just be rebadged versions of (poor quality) tool from some other manufacturer. For that reason, I’d buy a lot of the generic tools (adjustable wrench, spanners, screwdrivers, …) in some other brand(s) that I considered good as they’d likely be cheaper and might actually be better quality too.

    Having said that, allen keys are a fairly generic tool these days and I’ve always found Park Tools allen keys to be very good quality - they are a snug fit, so don’t slip easily, and are robust. On the other hand, chain splitters are anything but generic tools, and I’ve not been impressed by my Park Tool CT-4.2 as the pin is made of cheese.

    Other brands that I’ve tried, and found good, include Pedros, Lezyne, and Campagnolo, but some of the Campagnolo tools in particular are more expensive than Park Tools.

    As for what tools to buy, base that on your bike(s). Decide what work you want to able to carry out yourself and buy tools according. Some areas (for a conventional road bike):

    * Headset - There is little to “maintain” with modern headsets really, allen keys are usually enough to gain access to bearings to replace them (a torque wrench is useful if you have a carbon steerer). If you want to install a new fork you’ll need something to seat the star nut in the steerer and a tool to seat the crown race on the fork, if you want to install/remove bearing races in the head tube you’ll need appropriate tools there too.

    * Forks - If you expect to have to cut a steerer to length, then a cutting guide is useful but by no means essential. A good hacksaw with decent blades will save you a lot of grief, and some blood too.

    * Bottom bracket - tools to remove/install the crankset, remove/install the cartridge or cups. The tools you’d need will vary a lot depending on your chainset and b/b.

    * Chain - A decent chain splitter is vital at times, go for one that works with 11-speed too, ideally (and bear in mind that Campag chains need a tool to peen them too, some chain tools have this function built in, I’m not sure whether 11-speed Shimano chains need this). I’ve found the Park Tools CT-3 good, but it has its issues. Pedros do one called the “Tutti” which I recall looking very good on paper but I’ve never tried it. Split-links eliminate the need to re-join chains and peen them, but you’ll still want a good chain tool to break chains and to size new chains.

    * Hubs - Depends entirely on your hubs, but cone spanners are very useful to have and in a variety of sizes. You’ll need a tool to tighten/open the cassette lockring, plus a chainwhip (I much prefer the Pedros chain vice, I find it better than a chainwhip), plus either a large socket wrench or an adjustable wrench to turn the cassette lockring tool. For the freehub you may need a large allen key (10mm+).

    * Pedals - Get yourself a decent pedal spanner, usually 15mm. I’ve snapped a decent quality regular 15mm spanner when removing a stuck pedal, I bought a (very hefty) Park Tool PW-3 after that but it’s a pain to use, the PW-4 is much better. Some pedals are installed/removed via an allen key only, but I’ll never be without a big and ignorantly robust pedal spanner personally, sometimes nothing but a big lump of pig iron will do for the job at hand.

    * Spoke keys - Get good ones, even if you intend to never do anything more than remove a really bad buckle should the need arise. The Park Tool ones I like, their multi-headed one isn’t bad but is rougher on your fingers. You may need a variety depending on the size and shape of your spoke nipples.


    And more generally you’ll need/want:

    * Allen keys - either loose or in a multitool, or both versions. I like the Park Tool multitools, and their individual P-handled allen keys too. Usual sizes are 2, 2.5, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8mm. You’ll also need a 10mm allen key for some things, I’ve also had need to use an 11mm (obscure!) and a 12mm at times.
    * Torx keys - again either loose or in a multitool
    * Screwdrivers - Philips-head 0, 1, and 2 mostly (I don’t think I’ve encountered Pozidrive on a bike yet), small flat head sometimes.
    * Hammer(s) - a nylon-faced hammer is very useful, but sometimes you also need the grunt of a regular hammer.
    * Socket set - not essential, usually, but very useful to have a set with lots of different sizes of socket. Sockets make useful drifts for installing bearings too, if you have one of the right size. I have a Halfords Professional socket set, which is not brilliant but is okay for the money when they are on sale (which they usually are).
    * Spanners, regular ones - Mine rarely get used these days but I still need one from time to time. Most often used sizes are 8, 10, 12, 15, 17mm, but sometimes it’s useful to have a 6, 11, 13mm too. Any decent set should provide most or all of those.
    * Adjustable wrenches - A big one (to handle cassette lockring tools, etc.), and a smaller one for those odd occasions where you need an odd small size or just another wrench of the same size as a spanner.
    * Valve removal tool - For removing/installing removable cores from the valves of tubes. I’ve never (intentionally!) removed a valve core, I just have this little tool to tighten cores to prevent them unthreading themselves when I’m unthreading my pump from the valve. Without this tool I’d be tempted to employ a hammer more often, and not in a delicate fixey-fixey way!
    * Torque wrenches - Probably one for lower torque ranges, one for higher torque ranges. I typically only use them when dealing with carbon parts.
    * Files, picks, vice grips, needle nose pliers, circlips pliers, sharp knife, …
    * A work stand is useful but not essential, a crap one would be worse than none at all.


    And other stuff:

    * Tape
    * Measuring tape
    * Bearings (many types)
    * Grease (many types)
    * A good repair book, the Park Tools one is pretty good


    Those are not definitive lists by any means, just the stuff that springs most immediately to mind. I’m almost certainly forgetting stuff that I use regularly.

    There are significant areas within those above that need more specialised tools, tools like bearing pullers, bearing “hammers” (can’t remember the proper name but they are really just fancy hammers), etc. Either you can bite the bullet and buy those tools or you can rely on the local bike shop for those tasks, but at the very least it’s very useful to familiarise yourself with the various parts of the your bike ahead of time so that you’ll know beforehand whether a repair job is one that you have all the necessary tools for.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,778 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    yop wrote: »
    I have the bike stand from LIDL, find it great.

    I've one of these as well, but actually find setting the road bike up in the turbo handier for any tasks that don't involve leaving the back wheel off. Reasons are the bike is held in a more rigid position, and you can hop on it to test set-up and adjustments with resistance on the back wheel. The LIDL stand primarily gets used for the kids bike, wifes bike, and my hybrid, which done sit well on the turbo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭omri


    I have CT-5 chain tool from PT and it works with all speeds of chains. Its not the most comfortable to use because of the small size but for the amount of use it gets its good and portable.

    Some of my tools are indeed generic bought from hardware store. And these work well.

    PT has some basic mechanic sets in a toolbox that seem not the best quality and are rather expensive.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭Craig06


    I have the shimano PRO toolkit box for bike specific tools and use Draper tools that I use on the car for more generic stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭randomstuff


    seamus wrote: »
    Believe it or not, this set contains almost everything you would need to put together a vanilla bike:

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/ie/en/x-tools-bike-tool-kit-18-piece/rp-prod40997

    X tools are good stuff. Probably a small step below Park in overall quality, but I've never had issues with them warping/rounding/bending.

    Really you tend to build up your collection of tools as repairs crop up. The key is to never try and bodge a solution together; find out what tools you need to fit the parts and then go and buy a reputable branded one. Ultimately spending €50 once on a good tool will save you time and ass pain when you inevitably destroy a good part because you didn't have the right tool(s) to fit it.

    I've got that X-tools tool kit. It hasn't dissapointed yet, have built up/down about 5 bikes so far with it, and as long as you take care, and use the tools properly, they will last you.

    Only thing that that tool kit is missing is a cable cutter and 17/18mm cone wrenches.

    Considering the same tools would easily cost you 5-8x as much bought individually it's awesome value.

    Same one here cheaper - http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/TOJWTK/jobsworth-tool-kit


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,830 ✭✭✭doozerie


    omri wrote: »
    I have CT-5 chain tool from PT and it works with all speeds of chains.

    I believe the CT-5 doesn't work with 11-speed chains. Lezyne do a portable one that works with 11-speed, it's the only portable 11-speed compatible chain splitter that I've come across. Not sure whether it'll work with 7/8/9/10 -speed chains though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭omri


    doozerie wrote: »
    I believe the CT-5 doesn't work with 11-speed chains. Lezyne do a portable one that works with 11-speed, it's the only portable 11-speed compatible chain splitter that I've come across. Not sure whether it'll work with 7/8/9/10 -speed chains though.

    It worked with mine.. (however it might be the case that it should not be used with 11s.)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,830 ✭✭✭doozerie


    omri wrote: »
    It worked with mine.. (however it might be the case that it should not be used with 11s.)

    There is probably a bit of flexibility in chaintools and some 10-speed "only" ones will work with 11-speed, but for some definition of "will work".

    Any chaintool can probably break any chain, but I would expect the risk of damage to the links increases accordingly (the pushing pin on some chaintools might be marginally too wide, strictly speaking, for 11-speed chains).

    Things get more hairy when it comes to re-joining the chain, if using the chaintool for that, personally I wouldn't risk any chaintool for re-joining an 11-speed chain that wasn't rated for it as the tolerances for 11-speed chains seem quite tight to start with so there may not be much room for error. Snapping a chain while riding it is bad news, I'm extremely wary of increasing the risk of that.

    It's very much a personal choice though, I've read of people re-using "use once only" split links for example with no apparent problems, but personally I wouldn't take that chance either.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Colonel Panic


    Great thread! I was putting together a list of tools I wanted to get only a few days ago! I'm in the same boat where I'm thinking I could do some or all of the maintenance on my growing fleet of bikes.


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