Asea as recovery product

el tel · 05-03-2015 6:04pm #1

Has anoyone tried the product ASEA? In a stickybottle article a while ago I think one of the riders of the domestic team sponsored by them said they used it and it aided recovery, posssibly perfomance (I can't remember for sure).

I can't find out much concrete about it, most of the discussion either saying it cures every ailment or is a big load of bull quackery.

niceonetom · 05-03-2015 6:09pm

It is definitely not a pyramid scheme.

RockWerchter · 05-03-2015 7:12pm

Redox Signaling Molecules are the way forward. The electrons they give your body have to be good for your power output...

desertcircus · 05-03-2015 8:45pm

Going by everything I can find, complete wafflebollocks. No actual evidence whatsoever that the product does what they say, no explanation of the chemical process the product supposedly promotes that improves your recovery, no convincing evidence that they're actually selling anything other than salt water.

Inquitus · 05-03-2015 9:03pm

68 lost souls · 05-03-2015 9:34pm

McCrystal swears by it. I was at a talk with him and the guy who is selling it to the Irish market. To be honest I didnt by into it but I respect BMC so I trust it works for him. I think a lot of the other things they talked about that night made a lot of sense, e.g. becoming a fat burner rather than a carb burner and being bale to run on empty.

The sales guy kept pushing ASEA though and talking about how it will cure cancer and that if we turn our bodies into a PH positive body we will never get sick ever.

ford2600 · 05-03-2015 9:37pm

Sciencebasedmedicine summary

Bottom Line

ASEA is salt water. You can make your own salt water at home for much less than a dollar an ounce. The only value of the product is the entertainment value that can be derived from reading the imaginative pseudoscientific explanations they give

Eamonnator · 05-03-2015 9:52pm

68 lost souls wrote: »

McCrystal swears by it. I was at a talk with him and the guy who is selling it to the Irish market. To be honest I didnt by into it but I respect BMC so I trust it works for him. I think a lot of the other things they talked about that night made a lot of sense, e.g. becoming a fat burner rather than a carb burner and being bale to run on empty.

The sales guy kept pushing ASEA though and talking about how it will cure cancer and that if we turn our bodies into a PH positive body we will never get sick ever.

Who does Brian McCrystal ride for?

ROK ON · 05-03-2015 9:59pm

Eamonnator wrote: »

Who does Brian McCrystal ride for?

That's unfair Eamonator. Who are we to question the greats of irish cycling. Surely the reason they are great is due to the diet and intense focus. Pretty soon there will be a queue of fellas on here accusing you of never having done anything and don't you know your place.

Seriously though - a lot of the top athletes in this country have way too much time in their hands judging by the whackery that some of them come out with.

Eamonnator · 05-03-2015 10:03pm

Ask my father, am I a liar!

68 lost souls · 05-03-2015 10:07pm

Eamonnator wrote: »

Who does Brian McCrystal ride for?

At the time he was with Aquablue

Eamonnator · 05-03-2015 10:14pm

Who DOES Brian McCrystal ride for?

I would not expect anybody to have anything bad to say about their sponsors.

68 lost souls · 05-03-2015 10:19pm

ASEA now of course.

As I said I didnt think much of it and don't think it does much but it seemed to be doing something for him so if you use it and it works for you go ahead, I personally wouldn't and think the other parts of the diet are far more important and worth working on.

Al Wright · 05-03-2015 11:03pm

Nothing to do with the above product, but ASEA I know, (Allmänna Svenska Elektriska Aktiebolaget ) is a very respected name in Ireland since the 1930s. Merged around 1988 with Brown Boveri to form the industrial giant ABB.

On the water, the following link discusses the claims;
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/asea-another-expensive-way-to-buy-water/

Casati · 06-03-2015 12:05am

Did you ask BMC if he was personally involved in the distribution and sales of ASEA in Ireland?

nak · 06-03-2015 7:18am

68 lost souls wrote: »

The sales guy kept pushing ASEA though and talking about how it will cure cancer and that if we turn our bodies into a PH positive body we will never get sick ever.

Wow. Why are people buying into the pH change myth? Absolute nonsense.

Think I'll stick to regular water thanks.

ht9zni1gs28crp · 06-03-2015 9:43am

It not like Ireland like paying for treated water.....let alone salt water!

Cond0r · 06-03-2015 11:12am

68 lost souls wrote: »

McCrystal swears by it. I was at a talk with him and the guy who is selling it to the Irish market. To be honest I didnt by into it but I respect BMC so I trust it works for him. I think a lot of the other things they talked about that night made a lot of sense, e.g. becoming a fat burner rather than a carb burner and being bale to run on empty.

The sales guy kept pushing ASEA though and talking about how it will cure cancer and that if we turn our bodies into a PH positive body we will never get sick ever.

McCrystal also swears by "Kangan water" which is even more ridiculous than the ASEA stuff. Read more here:

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4139

I find it incredible that people buy into these blatant snake oil scams.

el tel · 06-03-2015 11:37am

What about actual oil, made from actual snakes? That'd be lapped up no bother. Perhaps you can't get it - otherwise China would have more top athletes and cyclists.

More about ASEA, and the study on 20 cyclists
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/accused-of-lying-about-asea-not-guilty/

tailendcharlie · 06-03-2015 11:38am

Cond0r wrote: »

McCrystal also swears by "Kangan water" which is even more ridiculous than the ASEA stuff. Read more here:

I find it incredible that people buy into these blatant snake oil scams.

placebos are proven to work...............

Alek · 06-03-2015 12:08pm

placebos are proven to work.

Nope. They make people feel better, but not actually better*.

* unless their ailment is psychosomatic.

tailendcharlie · 06-03-2015 12:24pm

Alek wrote: »

Nope. They make people feel better, but not actually better*.

* unless their ailment is psychosomatic.

No if they believe what they are taking will do them good it will cause a physical response in the body, its all in here:

hwebmd . com / pain-management / what-is-the-placebo-effect

tailendcharlie · 06-03-2015 12:24pm

Alek wrote: »

Nope. They make people feel better, but not actually better*.

* unless their ailment is psychosomatic.

No if they believe what they are taking will do them good it will cause a physical response in the body, its all in here:

webmd . com / pain-management / what-is-the-placebo-effect

joker77 · 06-03-2015 12:37pm

Alek wrote: »

Nope. They make people feel better, but not actually better*.

* unless their ailment is psychosomatic.

That's just plain wrong.

Placebos / nocebos are incredibly powerful.

ford2600 · 06-03-2015 12:38pm

tailendcharlie wrote: »

No if they believe what they are taking will do them good it will cause a physical response in the body, its all in here:

webmd . com / pain-management / what-is-the-placebo-effect

Michael Brooks book, 13 things that don't make sense dedicates Chapter 12 of his book to The Placebo effect. Interesting chapter

Alek · 06-03-2015 12:50pm

That's just plain wrong.

Placebos / nocebos are incredibly powerful.

That's only partially true.

They may work for pain or some types of allergic reactions / asthma which are at least partially psychosomatic effects.

They do not work for coronary disease, advanced lung cancer or a broken collar bone. Trust me.

If a patient stops feeling the pain of a burnt hand after taking a sugar pill, it means that it worked for the pain sensation, not the damaged skin.

niceonetom · 06-03-2015 12:52pm

joker77 · 06-03-2015 12:59pm

Alek wrote: »

That's only partially true.

They may work for pain or some types of allergic reactions / asthma which are at least partially psychosomatic effects.

They do not work for coronary disease, advanced lung cancer or a broken collar bone. Trust me.

If a patient stops feeling the pain of a burnt hand after taking a sugar pill, it means that it worked for the pain sensation, not the damaged skin.

Oh, Trust you? Sorry... sorry... ok then.

Cond0r · 06-03-2015 1:00pm

el tel wrote: »

What about actual oil, made from actual snakes? That'd be lapped up no bother. Perhaps you can't get it - otherwise China would have more top athletes and cyclists.

More about ASEA, and the study on 20 cyclists
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/accused-of-lying-about-asea-not-guilty/

And the dangers of these kinds of "miracle* cures" are summed up succinctly in one of the comments on that page:

Then I tryed on my Brother WHO has a very serious Health issue called Epilepsia.
After my Brother had used ASEA for just 6 months – he went from 100% “normal” medication for his Health issue. Today he’s just taking 10% of his original medicin – and tops it of with ASEA.

People with real health issues discontinuing medication that have proven therapeutic effects is a great way to make them more sick, or even kill them.

* One of the ASEA products is actually called "Miracle gel".

Alek · 06-03-2015 1:00pm

joker77 wrote: »

Oh, Trust you? Sorry... sorry... ok then.

Do you mean that you can heal a heart attack with placebo? Great!

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4151

joker77 · 06-03-2015 1:00pm

Nice clip niceonetom - he goes into it in Chapter 5 of Bad Science as well, great book that

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