Blocking Go Safe van

Fred Swanson · 30-07-2014 11:37pm #1

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Skatedude · 30-07-2014 11:42pm

If it's legal to park there, then i dont see how. but i'd make sure all my documentation was in order etc first

mullingar · 30-07-2014 11:42pm

I'd say a grey legal area.

On one hand he parked legally but on the other is he obstructing the law?

doolox · 30-07-2014 11:44pm

....if they do not move when told to do so.

Probably end up in the station "assisting the police with their enquiries."

visual · 30-07-2014 11:44pm

Doesn't look illegally parked so I would say it was ok.

Fred Swanson · 30-07-2014 11:45pm

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Avada · 30-07-2014 11:46pm

mullingar wrote: »

I'd say a grey legal area.

On one hand he parked legally but on the other is he obstructing the law?

Its not a Garda vehicle though (the only relevent law I can think of is 'obstructing a Garda in the course of their duties'.) I'd say once he's parked legally, he's doing nothing wrong. Only imo though because I cant find any relevent legislation.

Stella Virgo · 30-07-2014 11:46pm

maybe the transit was there first.............;)

kjbsrah1 · 30-07-2014 11:46pm

Just looks like two parked vans. Nothing to suggest that either of them are occupied or that the vans are parked illegally.

visual · 30-07-2014 11:48pm

mullingar wrote: »

I'd say a grey legal area.

On one hand he parked legally but on the other is he obstructing the law?

Its against the law to obstruct garda in their duties but go safe aren't privileged to such consideration

Slicemeister · 30-07-2014 11:48pm

One job I'd hate. Putting up with that ****

Nib · 30-07-2014 11:50pm

Is that outside the chilling in Kildare Town?

Like shooting fish in a barrel. Pretty sure there's a 60kph limit coming down a long steep hill on the Newbridge road. Sneaky!

Accident blackspots my arse!

Fred Swanson · 30-07-2014 11:52pm

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Jayop · 31-07-2014 12:00am

They're dirty dogs in those vans. I see them all the time on roads I know personally have had no fatalities and are only catching people sneaking over the limit.

I'm sure I like most people have no issue with them operating on dangerous stretches of roads and outside schools but by and large that's not where you see them.

visual · 31-07-2014 12:03am

Its flash for cash van doesn't matter what spin they put on it

mickdw · 31-07-2014 12:06am

School boy error if the go safe van is trying to operate from that position.
Surely you would Park n in a position with no parking spots to your rear.
I figure it is just parked there.

onemorechance · 31-07-2014 12:08am

Might be parked illegally regardless of the go safe van; against the flow of traffic?

Jayop · 31-07-2014 12:08am

visual wrote: »

Its flash for cash van doesn't matter what spin they put on it

There's one spot they sit at very near my house that I fully approve of. Really bad corner that about 4/5 cars per year end up the ditch.

mikeyjames9 · 31-07-2014 12:11am

doesn't all those things start off as road safety

but then it turns into a money racket

they've got to make it pay or else they're out of a job and someone else more ruthless steps in

like ice cream vans

auldgranny · 31-07-2014 12:14am

Jayop wrote: »

There's one spot they sit at very near my house that I fully approve of. Really bad corner that about 4/5 cars per year end up the ditch.

I agree with you at accident blackspots. But when you see them at a spot that has a rate of 1 accident every 3 yrs you have to wonder.

Victor · 31-07-2014 12:34am

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Is that a solid white line?

Separately, a hard shoulder is a verge and you aren't allowed park there. It is nuanced and you are unlikely to be prosecuted for that alone.

Jayop wrote: »

I see them all the time on roads I know personally have had no fatalities and are only catching people sneaking over the limit.

If you are travelling at a speed in excess of the limit, you are breaking the law. Any excuses can be referred to your local judge for consideration. I don't know the particular location, but it seems to be a location where speeding has been highlighted in a town.

visual wrote: »

Its against the law to obstruct garda in their duties but go safe aren't privileged to such consideration

I disagree. Go Safe are operating under the instruction of a Garda. You would be obstructing the activities of that Garda.

Would you do the same with the soldiers in an armed cash-in-transit situation?

auldgranny · 31-07-2014 12:38am

Victor wrote: »

I disagree. Go Safe are operating under the instruction of a Garda. You would be obstructing the activities of that Garda.

Would you do the same with the soldiers in an armed cash-in-transit situation?

Well hardly..........they have guns ffs.

auldgranny · 31-07-2014 12:40am

Victor wrote: »

I disagree. Go Safe are operating under the instruction of a Garda. You would be obstructing the activities of that Garda.

Would you do the same with the soldiers in an armed cash-in-transit situation?

Well hardly..........they have guns ffs.

Sir Arthur Daley · 31-07-2014 12:42am

That van should start selling spuds or strawberrys or both to pass the time.

con___manx1 · 31-07-2014 12:42am

one of those vans was set on fire near to wear i live. the operator was lucky to get out alive

Victor · 31-07-2014 12:50am

auldgranny wrote: »

Well hardly..........they have guns ffs.

So? Are you saying people should only obey the law if they have a gun pointed at them? The same principle applies - a garda operation would be obstructed.

Note that vehicles (like vans) kill a lot more people than guns.

challengemaster · 31-07-2014 1:16am

onemorechance wrote: »

Might be parked illegally regardless of the go safe van; against the flow of traffic?

Nope. No such law in Ireland. AFAIK

Victor wrote: »

I disagree. Go Safe are operating under the instruction of a Garda. You would be obstructing the activities of that Garda.

Not necessarily. Go Safe are operating under the instruction of the government more-so than the gardaí.

The Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform, Mr. Dermot Ahern T.D. and the Garda Commissioner, Fachtna Murphy, today signed a contract with the GoSafe consortium for the provision and operation of a network of safety cameras to detect speeding drivers.

Considering that Fachtna Murphy is retired now, you're not obstructing the activities of that garda as he is no longer an active member.

ardle1 · 31-07-2014 2:10am

I took this pic an hour later

Sunhill · 31-07-2014 2:48am

ardle1 wrote: »

I took this pic an hour later

Is that just because it's 02.10 or are you the actually world's worst photoshopper?

ardle1 · 31-07-2014 3:34am

Sunhill wrote: »

Is that just because it's 02.10 or are you the actually world's worst photoshopper?

lol, eh It's a bit of both, but more the latter

eezipc · 31-07-2014 3:41am

ardle1 wrote: »

lol, eh It's a bit of both, but more the latter

It's quite an impressive photoshop jobbie. Especially impressed with the angles on the tyres.

Cabaal · 31-07-2014 6:17am

You can tell is photoshopped because of the clouds and the pixels surrounding them

ironclaw · 31-07-2014 8:33am

Pretty sure the van(s) are illegally parked as its opposite a continuous white line. Many people often done for it near me not understanding that there doesn't have to be yellows. The continuous white is enough. That said, the GoSafe van appears to have a box to operate in, perhaps a local bye law.

Either way, as much as I appreciate the transits work, pretty sure its illegally parked.

coolisin · 31-07-2014 8:39am

ironclaw wrote: »

Pretty sure the van(s) are illegally parked as its opposite a continuous white line. Many people often done for it near me not understanding that there doesn't have to be yellows. The continuous white is enough. That said, the GoSafe van appears to have a box to operate in, perhaps a local bye law.

Either way, as much as I appreciate the transits work, pretty sure its illegally parked.

Obviously not familiar with the location but the vans seem to be parked in a lay by.
So I don't think it would be illegally parked then if it's a parking area.

These boxes have started to pop up around alright for them.

Either which way you man driving the van is a cute whooorree.
There was some craic with that header in the pub last night over a couple pints of Guinness.
A few farts and he drove home.
The bar was in tears, mad b*****d.
F**k the law he said.

highdef · 31-07-2014 11:32am

Nib wrote: »

Is that outside the chilling in Kildare Town?

Like shooting fish in a barrel. Pretty sure there's a 60kph limit coming down a long steep hill on the Newbridge road. Sneaky!

Accident blackspots my arse!

If people can't keep control of the speed of their car because of inclines and declines, then maybe they deserve a ticket for not being able to keep control of their vehicle.
All it takes is your eyes to look at your speed via the speedo binnacle, your hand to adjust your gearing for the road conditions and intended speed (if driving a manual) and your right foot to control the throttle or brake pedal if needed.

I really cannot understand how people can gain such speed on downhill stretches without being aware of it. Are people daydreaming while driving, unaware of what is going on around them???

_Brian · 31-07-2014 11:35am

My boss is friendly with a lad who operates one of those "flash for cash" vans. This is reasonably common, vans and trucks parking to obstruct them..

Their instruction is to return to base and be reassigned or some such rather than call in the Guards, but I'd expect if it starts hitting revenue then it will be dealt with.

djimi · 31-07-2014 11:39am

I suppose once the other vehicle is parked in a designated parking space and is not parking otherwise illegally, the speed van can have no real complaints. Is there anything in law that gives them exlusive use of the X m2 area around the van? Its public road after all.

ba_barabus · 31-07-2014 11:44am

Maybe this has been asked before,

but if the GoSafe van is parked illegally can the information still be used to prosectute you as it was gathered in an illegal manner?

I'm thinking along the lines of a van parked on a motorway.

billie1b · 31-07-2014 11:48am

ba_barabus wrote: »

Maybe this has been asked before,

but if the GoSafe van is parked illegally can the information still be used to prosectute you as it was gathered in an illegal manner?

I'm thinking along the lines of a van parked on a motorway.

I was driving Northbound on the M50 one afternoon in Lane 1, there was a Go safe van in Lane 2 doing the limit, 100km, people in Lane 3 were wizzing past it at some speeds and it was flashing them. Dont know if it was left on by mistake or if it was for real but I found it funny

djimi · 31-07-2014 11:50am

I thought Go Safe vans didnt emit a visible flash?

billie1b · 31-07-2014 11:54am

djimi wrote: »

I thought Go Safe vans didnt emit a visible flash?

Think it all depends on if its the newer equipment in them or not, some of them have the newer technology with no flash, others still have the older style with a flash day or night

ironclaw · 31-07-2014 1:29pm

billie1b wrote: »

I was driving Northbound on the M50 one afternoon in Lane 1, there was a Go safe van in Lane 2 doing the limit, 100km, people in Lane 3 were wizzing past it at some speeds and it was flashing them. Dont know if it was left on by mistake or if it was for real but I found it funny

Sorry, but utter nonsense on a lot of levels. No idea what you saw but to clarify for the masses:

GoSafe can't operate when moving.
GoSafe can't even begin to operate without static calibration onsite.
GoSafe have visible flash.

Same applies for Garda vans. Some, very rare, very old Garda vans DO visible flash.

Anecdotally, I've heard they have started to illuminate for 'safety' as cars pass. But its nothing to do with the radar / fine system and I've never seen it myself. Either way, if its moving, feel free to bomb past at whatever speed you like.

I'm thinking along the lines of a van parked on a motorway.

GoSafe don't have any motorway allocations for survey or prosecution purposes. Garda vans do have jurisdiction on the motorways and can legally operate there.

billie1b · 31-07-2014 2:03pm

ironclaw wrote: »

Sorry, but utter nonsense on a lot of levels. No idea what you saw but to clarify for the masses:

GoSafe can't operate when moving.
GoSafe can't even begin to operate without static calibration onsite.
GoSafe have visible flash.

Same applies for Garda vans. Some, very rare, very old Garda vans DO visible flash.

Anecdotally, I've heard they have started to illuminate for 'safety' as cars pass. But its nothing to do with the radar / fine system and I've never seen it myself. Either way, if its moving, feel free to bomb past at whatever speed

I never said they were getting fined, I just said what I had seen and that I thought it was funny that the light was flashing, some people on here get so serious for absolutely no reason what so ever

porsche959 · 31-07-2014 2:10pm

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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What business is it of yours?

Fred Swanson · 31-07-2014 2:19pm

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ironclaw · 31-07-2014 3:01pm

billie1b wrote: »

I never said they were getting fined, I just said what I had seen and that I thought it was funny that the light was flashing, some people on here get so serious for absolutely no reason what so ever

Wasn't directed at yourself personally, but myself and a few others have spent so much time typing tutorials, responses and information regarding the vans that any misinformation really needs to be clarified quick.

No offence intended, apologies if it was.

Victor · 31-07-2014 3:05pm

ironclaw wrote: »

Pretty sure the van(s) are illegally parked as its opposite a continuous white line. Many people often done for it near me not understanding that there doesn't have to be yellows. The continuous white is enough. That said, the GoSafe van appears to have a box to operate in, perhaps a local bye law.

Either way, as much as I appreciate the transits work, pretty sure its illegally parked.

ba_barabus wrote: »

Maybe this has been asked before,

but if the GoSafe van is parked illegally can the information still be used to prosectute you as it was gathered in an illegal manner?

I'm thinking along the lines of a van parked on a motorway.

Vans can't do illegal things. People do illegal things. However, a person (whether a cash in transit convoy or an individual directed to drive the wrong way up a street because of an obstruction) operating under the direction of a Garda has a large amount of leeway when it comes to things that would be illegal for other people.

So, if GoSafe is directed to operate on a motorway they wouldn't be breaking the law.

Section 87, Road Traffic Act 2010 - http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2010/en/act/pub/0025/sec0087.html

87.— (1) Requirements under the Road Traffic Acts 1961 to 2010 relating to vehicles and requirements, restrictions and prohibitions relating to the driving and use of vehicles, other than those provided under sections 49, 50, 51A, 52 and 53 of the Principal Act, sections 12, 13 and 15 of the Act of 1994 and sections 4 , 5 , 12 and 14 of this Act, do not apply to—

(a) the driving or use by a member of the Garda Síochána, an ambulance service or a fire brigade of a fire authority (within the meaning of the Fire Services Act 1981 ) of a vehicle in the performance of the duties of that member, or

(b) a person driving or using a vehicle under the direction of a member of the Garda Síochána,

where such use does not endanger the safety of road users.

(2) Section 27 of the Act of 2004 is repealed.

challengemaster wrote: »

Not necessarily. Go Safe are operating under the instruction of the government more-so than the gardaí.

Considering that Fachtna Murphy is retired now, you're not obstructing the activities of that garda as he is no longer an active member.

No. It will be an individual garda that will direct GoSafe to operate at X location at Y time.

djimi · 31-07-2014 3:24pm

I would assume that a GoSafe van on a motorway would use the Gardai layby thingys that they have? Has anyone ever actually seen them stopped in the hard shoulder?

Fred Swanson · 31-07-2014 3:29pm

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Alun · 31-07-2014 4:03pm

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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I've seen Garda vans on hard shoulders on both motorways and dual carriageways, not always in the safest of places in my opinion e.g. crests of hills and/or parked right up close to the dividing line between carriageway and hard shoulder. It might be 'legal', but in many instances it's not exactly safe, for them or other road users, either.

ironclaw · 31-07-2014 4:14pm

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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GoSafe have no assigned zones on the nation's motorways. I doubt they will ever get them either. Ludicrously dangerous.

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