Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12-Jan 2012 onwards

Mr Alan · 20-02-2012 11:21am

Yea, I'd be delighted for Dirk too.

TBH, anyone who wouldn't be delighted to win a cup at Wembely on Sunday should have their head examined.

The Chessplayer · 20-02-2012 11:24am

~Rebel~ wrote: »

On this "Carling Cup is Beneath Us" thing, it's frankly madness!

Agreed. Only an imbecile would say the league cup is beneath us. The only disappointing thing is that it's Cardiff in the final.

W123-80's wrote: »

Ooops. My Bad..

Just as a matter of interest, do people consider this a normal thing to say these days...that is, a normal thing to say in reality, outside the confines of an episode of the OC or some other lowgrade American sitcom.

monkey9 wrote: »

I always bring up the 90's when defending Rafa!! The ones who were against him don't really post as much these days!! :rolleyes:

Because he left the club a couple of years ago. Are we supposed to come on here banging on about Houllier, Benitez and Hodgson?

I have more self-respect than to be championing Rafa the whole time after his treatment of Irish captain Robbie Keane. End of story.

monkey9 wrote: »

But i've always been proudly pro-Rafa so maybe i'm being biased!!

Good on you! I have always been proudly pro-LFC, and think Rafa's treatment of Robbie Keane was a step too far. Take Joe Cole as an example, even Kenny said he would never freeze JC out if he decided to stay at LFC because he's (Kenny) not that sort of man. Rafa on the other hand, well.... And he booted Bellamy out the door quicksmart as well, didn't he? As a manager, overall he was successful, but his carry-on left a bad taste in my opinion.

Cypher_sounds · 20-02-2012 11:28am

Headline lolz

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Liverpool-Kenny-Dalglish-excited-by-return-of-Steven-Gerrard-Andy-Carroll-and-Luis-Suarez-article867680.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Dozen Wicked Words · 20-02-2012 12:29pm

Just a quick update on Toni Silva and his current loan.

LINK
Silva in line for a start after his impressive cameo.

Northampton Town Manager Aidy Boothroyd:

“He’s one of those players who is like a snake, you’re not getting the ball off him and if you do it’s generally because you’ve fouled him,” he said.

“He is very cool and very laid back. He sees it as that’s what he does if you give him the ball, he can do that.*

“I know what he’s all about and what he’s got in his locker; he can go both ways, he can go off his left and shoot or go onto his right and do something as well.

“He will win free-kicks and fouls and he will certainly get a lot of goals for us as well.”

*Admittedly this one doesnt make much sense, but I think the general gist is hes very happy with how Silvas doing!

ASOT · 20-02-2012 1:36pm

Pete O'Rourke @SkySportsPeteO
Craig Bellamy has been included in the Wales squad for the Gary Speed Memorial match against Costa Rica. #LFC

Iang87 · 20-02-2012 2:06pm

Am I too confident for Sunday? I was like this before yesterday my reasoning is that we aren't the best side in the world and that this year in my opinion has taken a lot of the complacency out of the cup games against exeter, brighton and oldham. I think Kenny has helped aswell in making sure we keep our heads and do a professional job which in my opinion yesterdays second half was a completely professional job.

I dunno if that makes sense but I just cant see us losing at all.

LuckyLloyd · 20-02-2012 2:20pm

Cardiff will be the best non premiership outfit we've faced all season. They have guys with Premiership experience who can make things happen against anyone on their day (Kenny Miller is a genuine threat), and the club has a small tradition of upsets against superior opposition.

If we play poorly on Sunday we'll get beat. We need to play well, and keep at it when they make it tough. Underestimating them would be a terrible error.

Turtyturd · 20-02-2012 2:31pm

Iang87 wrote: »

Am I too confident for Sunday? I was like this before yesterday my reasoning is that we aren't the best side in the world and that this year in my opinion has taken a lot of the complacency out of the cup games against exeter, brighton and oldham. I think Kenny has helped aswell in making sure we keep our heads and do a professional job which in my opinion yesterdays second half was a completely professional job.

I dunno if that makes sense but I just cant see us losing at all.

I dunno if I would go as far as the last line but I would expect a win...then again I expected one against Sunderland, Bolton, Swansea, etc, etc.

Turtyturd · 20-02-2012 2:36pm

Iang87 wrote: »

Am I too confident for Sunday? I was like this before yesterday my reasoning is that we aren't the best side in the world and that this year in my opinion has taken a lot of the complacency out of the cup games against exeter, brighton and oldham. I think Kenny has helped aswell in making sure we keep our heads and do a professional job which in my opinion yesterdays second half was a completely professional job.

I dunno if that makes sense but I just cant see us losing at all.

I dunno if I would go as far as the last line but I would expect a win...then again I expected one against Sunderland, Bolton, Swansea, etc, etc.

The Chessplayer · 20-02-2012 3:08pm

Anyone got a link for the goals from yesterday?

Thanks

Handsome Bob · 20-02-2012 3:16pm

I think that when you get to this stage of the season and teams know where they're at in terms of their chances at obtaining silverware, any team would be delighted at the prospect of a cup final, regardless of the prestige attached to the cup. I'd be shocked if a Man U/Arsenal/Chelsea fan would scoff at the opportunity.

Bobeagleburger · 20-02-2012 3:37pm

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Cardiff will be the best non premiership outfit we've faced all season. They have guys with Premiership experience who can make things happen against anyone on their day (Kenny Miller is a genuine threat), and the club has a small tradition of upsets against superior opposition.

If we play poorly on Sunday we'll get beat. We need to play well, and keep at it when they make it tough. Underestimating them would be a terrible error.

Couldn't agree more.

It's the "lesser" teams we've struggled against this season so if Cardiff have their homework done they can make it difficult for us.

If we can get a goal early it'll be key, and tbh if we do I don't think we'll lose.

Bobeagleburger · 20-02-2012 3:41pm

Handsome Bob wrote: »

I think that when you get to this stage of the season and teams know where they're at in terms of their chances at obtaining silverware, any team would be delighted at the prospect of a cup final, regardless of the prestige attached to the cup. I'd be shocked if a Man U/Arsenal/Chelsea fan would scoff at the opportunity.

They wouldn't is the answer. If they would,well they can't really call themselves fans.

killwill · 20-02-2012 3:46pm

rarnes1 wrote: »

They wouldn't is the answer. If they would,well they can't really call themselves fans.

It may not be as prestigious as the league or FA Cup but it is silverware.
Look how Utd players celebrated winning the CC and it shows you that it is worth something.

Iang87 · 20-02-2012 4:01pm

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Cardiff will be the best non premiership outfit we've faced all season. They have guys with Premiership experience who can make things happen against anyone on their day (Kenny Miller is a genuine threat), and the club has a small tradition of upsets against superior opposition.

If we play poorly on Sunday we'll get beat. We need to play well, and keep at it when they make it tough. Underestimating them would be a terrible error.

Ya you're right I dont think we'll underestimate them though. I know I kind of am but its the way we've handles lower league opposition this year thats making me so confident

Bobeagleburger · 20-02-2012 4:07pm

killwill wrote: »

It may not be as prestigious as the league or FA Cup but it is silverware.
Look how Utd players celebrated winning the CC and it shows you that it is worth something.

Exactly.

And that was a united team that was surely in the mix for bigger honours.

There's only two trophies that Liverpool could realistically win this season and to be in the final of one and still involved in the other is fantastic tbh.

W123-80's · 20-02-2012 4:10pm

The Chessplayer wrote: »

Just as a matter of interest, do people consider this a normal thing to say these days...

Not sure to be honest.

Kess73 · 20-02-2012 4:14pm

Iang87 wrote: »

Ya you're right I dont think we'll underestimate them though. I know I kind of am but its the way we've handles lower league opposition this year thats making me so confident

The lower league teams have been the ones that Carroll and Downing have played best against as well, so that form may carry over into the final.

Downing's goal and assist for the season to date came against lower league teams.

Three of Carroll's six goals this season have come against lower league team as well as one of his three assists this season.

kevohmsford · 20-02-2012 6:51pm

http://www.footytube.com/video/liverpool-brighton-hove-albion-feb19-105519?ref=hp_ozeit_mp

The Chessplayer wrote: »

Anyone got a link for the goals from yesterday?

Thanks

Shakeandbake! · 20-02-2012 7:40pm

I have a flight booked for the weekend for the CC final, unfortunately I've being let down with the match tickets. I know its late but I'll sell the flight to anyone who wants it at face value, you just pay for the name change on booking. Flight as follows : Dub - Luton on friday leaving 8am, Gatwick to Dublin on monday at 9.55pm. Cost €73 with Ryanair.

Apologies to mods if this post in wrong place.

Paddy@CIRL · 20-02-2012 7:59pm

Question for those of you who frequent Liverpool regularly - the girlfriend booked us a weekend away this coming Friday. At the time it was setup for the Merseyside Derby but instead everyone is off to Wembley instead (ironic considering she lives 10 minutes from Wembley but how and ever).

Anyways, suggestions for best place to watch the match in or around Liverpool 1 this Sunday?

niallo27 · 20-02-2012 8:20pm

Paddy@CIRL wrote: »

Question for those of you who frequent Liverpool regularly - the girlfriend booked us a weekend away this coming Friday. At the time it was setup for the Merseyside Derby but instead everyone is off to Wembley instead (ironic considering she lives 10 minutes from Wembley but how and ever).

Anyways, suggestions for best place to watch the match in or around Liverpool 1 this Sunday?

You could always head out to the supporters club down a bit from anfield, drink dirt cheap, should be a bit of an atmosphere there.

niallo27 · 20-02-2012 8:21pm

When is this derby on anyway, I heard the 20th or 21st.

Melion · 20-02-2012 8:21pm

Paddy@CIRL wrote: »

Question for those of you who frequent Liverpool regularly - the girlfriend booked us a weekend away this coming Friday. At the time it was setup for the Merseyside Derby but instead everyone is off to Wembley instead (ironic considering she lives 10 minutes from Wembley but how and ever).

Anyways, suggestions for best place to watch the match in or around Liverpool 1 this Sunday?

Carras bar/restaurant would be your best bet but get there early. Its dead centre of LiverpoolOne. Really good food too!

corcaigh07 · 20-02-2012 8:30pm

Shakeandbake! wrote: »

I have a flight booked for the weekend for the CC final, unfortunately I've being let down with the match tickets. I know its late but I'll sell the flight to anyone who wants it at face value, you just pay for the name change on booking. Flight as follows : Dub - Luton on friday leaving 8am, Gatwick to Dublin on monday at 9.55pm. Cost €73 with Ryanair.

Apologies to mods if this post in wrong place.

would you not try and go to london and get a ticket or at the very least, see the game in a nearby pub? if its ryanair, a name change costs 100 euro, more than the value of the flight!

20-02-2012 8:37pm

corcaigh07 wrote: »

would you not try and go to london and get a ticket or at the very least, see the game in a nearby pub? if its ryanair, a name change costs 100 euro, more than the value of the flight!

Exactly, my father hasn't even had the sniff of a ticket and he booked a flight straight away when we got through on the off chance he will pick one up over there, that said I've an aunt living in London so free accommodation.

Only reason I'm not going is I have to go to the US next week for a conference so cant fit in London this weekend.

Melion · 20-02-2012 8:40pm

A day trip to London would appeal to me if i was in Liverpool. About 2 hours on a train for about £20rtn. Would most likely get 2 tickets outside Wembley.

gafferino · 20-02-2012 8:57pm

I'm one of the hopefuls going without tickets.......wonder how much the touts will be selling them for?

Melion · 20-02-2012 9:00pm

gafferino wrote: »

I'm one of the hopefuls going without tickets.......wonder how much the touts will be selling them for?

I wouldnt expect much change from £200STG

daithijjj · 20-02-2012 9:01pm

Melion wrote: »

A day trip to London would appeal to me if i was in Liverpool. About 2 hours on a train for about £20rtn. Would most likely get 2 tickets outside Wembley.

How would you get a train for £20 to London? just curious.

The Chessplayer · 20-02-2012 9:13pm

Kess73 wrote: »

The lower league teams have been the ones that Carroll and Downing have played best against as well, so that form may carry over into the final.

Downing's goal and assist for the season to date came against lower league teams.

Three of Carroll's six goals this season have come against lower league team as well as one of his three assists this season.

This bodes well for the final, but my god those are some sorry statistics.

Downing really is a headless wonder on the wing. If it's true that Downing was our 3rd or 4th choice, why didn't we just hold off for a year and buy a short term replacement, the likes of Damien Duff.

Thanx 4 The Fish · 20-02-2012 9:16pm

daithijjj wrote: »

How would you get a train for £20 to London? just curious.

redspottedhanky.com is usually good for cheap train tickets or the trainline.com.

I have just seen that I can get one for £11 one way.

daithijjj · 20-02-2012 9:27pm

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

redspottedhanky.com is usually good for cheap train tickets or the trainline.com.

I have just seen that I can get one for £11 one way.

For the game on Sunday i meant. I just put in Sunday return on Virgin and Redspot and couldnt get for less than £150. Maybe thats wrong?

Edit, managed to get an all in one for £74.20, still a long way off £20 though lol.

kingshankly · 20-02-2012 9:29pm

Melion wrote: »

I wouldnt expect much change from £200STG

There's touts offering 400 for them in Liverpool to sell on I believe

kingshankly · 20-02-2012 9:39pm

daithijjj wrote: »

For the game on Sunday i meant. I just put in Sunday return on Virgin and Redspot and couldnt get for less than £150. Maybe thats wrong?

Edit, managed to get an all in one for £74.20, still a long way off £20 though lol.

Train travel in England can be quite expensive unless booked in advance I remember the last time I did it it was 143 single London to liverpool for the walk up price (I had a free pass ) I couldn't believe it

daithijjj · 20-02-2012 10:11pm

kingshankly wrote: »

Train travel in England can be quite expensive unless booked in advance I remember the last time I did it it was 143 single London to liverpool for the walk up price (I had a free pass ) I couldn't believe it

Before they started cutting internal routes it used to be cheaper to fly in alot of cases. Train is last resort for alot of people i know. Im not going myself but i know a few who are, was just curious/interested.

kingshankly · 20-02-2012 10:21pm

daithijjj wrote: »

Before they started cutting internal routes it used to be cheaper to fly in alot of cases. Train is last resort for alot of people i know. Im not going myself but i know a few who are, was just curious/interested.

I'm flying to London myself I'm sure there's still cheapish flights as there is that many options available with London

Paully D · 20-02-2012 10:26pm

Well, we're 3/4 of the way through the season now:

What are your thoughts/opinions on Jordan Henderson?

Cheers.

Iang87 · 20-02-2012 10:28pm

Paully D wrote: »

Well, we're 3/4 of the way through the season now:

What are your thoughts/opinions on Jordan Henderson?

Cheers.

honestly I think he looks out of his depth

Paully D · 20-02-2012 10:31pm

Handsome Bob wrote: »

I think that when you get to this stage of the season and teams know where they're at in terms of their chances at obtaining silverware, any team would be delighted at the prospect of a cup final, regardless of the prestige attached to the cup. I'd be shocked if a Man U/Arsenal/Chelsea fan would scoff at the opportunity.

I think the stigma of the Carling Cup being ''mickey mouse'' has faded a lot over the last few years.

With Champions League qualification not guaranteed for the likes of yourselves, Arsenal, Chelsea and with the likes of Manchester City and Tottenham progressing a lot, managers who would usually use the competition to give youngsters a game are seeing it as a real opportunity to get silverware in the trophy cabinet.

Obviously for bottom half and mid-table clubs it would be superb to win it as always, but I think that applies to a certain extent to the top sides now too.

Zapp Brannigan · 20-02-2012 10:34pm

Paully D wrote: »

Well, we're 3/4 of the way through the season now:

What are your thoughts/opinions on Jordan Henderson?

Cheers.

Largely anonymous.

G.K. · 20-02-2012 10:48pm

Promising when played in CM, shocking when played RW.

K-9 · 20-02-2012 10:49pm

Paully D wrote: »

Well, we're 3/4 of the way through the season now:

What are your thoughts/opinions on Jordan Henderson?

Cheers.

Nice footballer, definitely talented but I'd say a bit like our other big signings, over awed at the start at the level of expectations. Had a few decent games around December/January but I'm a bit disappointed in the last couple of appearances, probably our poorest player on Sunday.

I've a notion he'll learn a lot from Gerrard playing along side him, maybe slightly over awed since he came back and that might explain the last couple of appearances.

Mr Alan · 20-02-2012 10:50pm

Paully D wrote: »

Well, we're 3/4 of the way through the season now:

What are your thoughts/opinions on Jordan Henderson?

Cheers.

I think, although he was overpriced, I've seen enough to think he could be a very good player for us for 10 years. Happy to have him.

Chucky the tree · 20-02-2012 10:53pm

Overpriced and since we bought him Kenny and Co have made some very bizarre decisions. He's definitely got the talent but he has been handled very badly by Kenny which hopefully won't set him back to much.

Benzino · 20-02-2012 10:56pm

kevohmsford wrote: »

http://www.footytube.com/video/liverpool-brighton-hove-albion-feb19-105519?ref=hp_ozeit_mp

I feel bad for them, but that 3rd og had me in stitches!!

daithijjj · 20-02-2012 10:58pm

How about we wait and see where we are in 12/24 months with Henderson?.

9 months ago everyone was telling me he was a right winger when i was a saying he was a centre mid. I think the penny has dropped and he will continue to play central. Lets give the guy a chance to settle in midfield, he is only 21 and nearly played 100 prem games. By all accounts he has a great attitude and is a very good professional and will play wherever the manager asks. He is regularly in the top 2 in our team for ground covered, his effort for the team isnt a question. While not controlling games, he plays simple passes, keeps things ticking over.

At the end of next season he will only be 22, crazy idea :rolleyes: but how about cutting the young man some slack and letting him mature a bit in the team.

willmunny1990 · 20-02-2012 10:59pm

Paully D wrote: »

Well, we're 3/4 of the way through the season now:

What are your thoughts/opinions on Jordan Henderson?

Cheers.

Limited player IMO.

He has youth on his side but i can't see him becoming anything more than a useful squad player.

Paully D · 20-02-2012 11:00pm

I'm surprised to hear that he's been better in the centre of midfield, I've always thought he performed better for us on the right hand side of midfied (as did the majority of Sunderland fans) but in fairness I suppose Bruce, Capello and Dalglish know a slight bit more than myself and other Sunderland fans :pac:

I could definitely seen him learning a lot from Gerrard. There's no better player to learn from in that CM role to be honest. To put it into context though, at the same age as Henderson, Gerrard had played over 120 games for Liverpool in all competitions scoring 15 goals (from my quick calculations, could be slightly more or less) and he had played . Madness really, just proves how good Gerrard was/is.

Can you see Henderson developing into a player good enough to play week in, week out for you based on his ability rather than say, the price that was paid for him?

EDIT - Just seen the last question I posed already answered by a few in previous posts.

djPSB · 20-02-2012 11:13pm

Paully D wrote: »

I'm surprised to hear that he's been better in the centre of midfield, I've always thought he performed better for us on the right hand side of midfied (as did the majority of Sunderland fans) but in fairness I suppose Bruce, Capello and Dalglish know a slight bit more than myself and other Sunderland fans :pac:

I could definitely seen him learning a lot from Gerrard. There's no better player to learn from in that CM role to be honest. To put it into context though, at the same age as Henderson, Gerrard had played over 120 games for Liverpool in all competitions scoring 15 goals (from my quick calculations, could be slightly more or less) and he had played . Madness really, just proves how good Gerrard was/is.

Can you see Henderson developing into a player good enough to play week in, week out for you based on his ability rather than say, the price that was paid for him?

EDIT - Just seen the last question I posed already answered by a few in previous posts.

I don't think it's fair to compare him to Gerrard.

Different types of players.

Henderson will be a good signing for us over the next few years.

In fairness to Dalglish, he has steady the ship big time. Although none of his signings have been excellent, the players he has bought provide a good base for going forward.

When you look at the most successful teams in England over the last few years, they all had a backbone of British + Irish talent apart from maybe Rafa's CL team, but that team disintegrated fairly quickly.

I think Kenny wanted to put that base of players in place to build for the future. So over the next 5/6 years the team will be built around players like Gerrard, Downing, Carroll, Adam, Henderson, Kelly, Johnson, Sterling.

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