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Thoughts on the following - Would low mileage for a 10yr old worry you?

  • 13-07-2012 2:57pm
    #1
    Jumpaddict
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 69 ✭✭


    View2-12909992.jpeg

    http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/3622135

    02 Gti Golf, looks clean with low mileage but from what I've heard, not much evidence of service history and I've a cartell report that looks..eh...awkward...

    Any thoughts?

    Cheers


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  • #2
    Chimaera
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,652 ✭✭✭Chimaera


    If it looks too good to be true, it probably is. These cars are not that difficult to clock and 45000 miles is very low for a 10 year old car, even if it's genuine. If you know someone with VCDS it may be possible to interrogate the engine ECU for mileage - some Bosch ECUs can store mileage information separately to the instrument cluster and this can be used to double check.


  • #3
    JJJJNR
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭JJJJNR


    http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/3427680

    FSH


  • #4
    Jumpaddict
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 69 ✭✭Jumpaddict


    I seen that one J, bit out of the price range I'm afraid even tho it looks in good shape....


  • #5
    Bigus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,944 ✭✭✭Bigus


    Ring the dear one and tell him you're prepared to come and look at it but will only be offering X and see what he says.


  • #6
    shawnee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,830 ✭✭✭shawnee


    Only way to be sure of mileage nowadays is with documented fsh , read it and you will generally know if the mileage is as stated.;)


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  • #7
    Jumpaddict
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 69 ✭✭Jumpaddict


    It just doesn't stack up and there isn't, if any, service history. The car that J linked is over budget but I might give a call and see what he says with what I have to offer...hate been cheeky tho!:D Cheers for the replys


  • #8
    billyhead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,960 ✭✭✭billyhead


    Jumpaddict wrote: »
    It just doesn't stack up and there isn't, if any, service history. The car that J linked is over budget but I might give a call and see what he says with what I have to offer...hate been cheeky tho!:D Cheers for the replys

    How muh are you going to offer?


  • #9
    Typhoon.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 986 ✭✭✭Typhoon.


    Every time I see an ad that says eg."40 thousand miles on the clock" I automatically think theres 40 on the clock but more on the engine

    any one else think this or is it just me :confused:


  • #10
    Greyfoot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 566 ✭✭✭Greyfoot


    A car with genuine 40k miles should be in an almost brand spanking new state, not that hard to tell if its been clocked. Interior, steering wheel, pedals, gear lever should be in tip top condition, so is the engine bay etc.


  • #11
    Jammy Donut
    Closed Accounts Posts: 606 ✭✭✭Jammy Donut


    Greyfoot wrote: »
    A car with genuine 40k miles should be in an almost brand spanking new state, not that hard to tell if its been clocked. Interior, steering wheel, pedals, gear lever should be in tip top condition, so is the engine bay etc.

    Bollox.

    I can show you cars that look trashed after 20k of driving or cars that look mint after 200k of loving driving.


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  • #12
    Greyfoot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 566 ✭✭✭Greyfoot


    Jammy Donut wrote: »

    ...I can show you cars that look trashed after 20k of driving...

    Please do so.


  • #13
    Jammy Donut
    Closed Accounts Posts: 606 ✭✭✭Jammy Donut


    Greyfoot wrote: »
    Please do so.

    Volvo V70, 726K
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1998-VOLVO-V70-2-5D-TURQUOISE-/140790596793?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D474585800329709724%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26#ht_726wt_1189&clk_rvr_id=364036414363&afsrc=1

    Mercedes S320,
    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&hash=item2572db308c&item=160840757388&nma=true&pt=Automobiles_UK&rt=nc&si=6kopXruuyTxJEcqu9axJS%252BascI8%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc#ht_3849wt_1270


  • #14
    Greyfoot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 566 ✭✭✭Greyfoot


    Jammy Donut wrote: »
    Volvo V70, 726K
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1998-VOLVO-V70-2-5D-TURQUOISE-/140790596793?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D474585800329709724%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26#ht_726wt_1189&clk_rvr_id=364036414363&afsrc=1

    Mercedes S320,
    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&hash=item2572db308c&item=160840757388&nma=true&pt=Automobiles_UK&rt=nc&si=6kopXruuyTxJEcqu9axJS%252BascI8%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc#ht_3849wt_1270

    I meant, cars that was in trashed condition with genuine 20k mate.
    All I was saying that its easy to spot the difference between genuine and clocked cars that otherwise had a lot of miles in reality. Sure, not many would clock down a say 100k to 50k, more like, from 190k to say 90k and the tell tale signs are relatively easy to spot.


  • #15
    Damie
    Registered Users Posts: 341 ✭✭Damie


    A couple of years ago I found a 96 golf 1.4 that had 60k on it....I was suspicious as hell....took it for a test drive and knew straight away that it was legitimate. The old bird that owned it before me even had every tax disc from day 1, stuffed into the tax disc holder on the windscreen....

    Sometimes you can be lucky....more often not I'm afraid


  • #16
    ABajaninCork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    It really wouldn't worry me as long as the seller has proof of mileage.

    I sold my 9 yo Peugeot a couple of years ago with 33k miles on the clock. Yeah, I got a few cross-eyed looks, but once proof was produced, it was :cool:!!


  • #17
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    I bought my petrol 9 year old car in 2006 with 64,000miles on it, I have the car 6 years now and it has 111,000 miles, my mileage is low enough and the mileage of the previous owners was tiny. On a Diesel car high mileage is more common so more reason to be suspicious.


  • #18
    Jammy Donut
    Closed Accounts Posts: 606 ✭✭✭Jammy Donut


    Have a '76 Mk2 Escort with 56K on it here :)


    Genuine, As I'v the full service history :cool:


  • #19
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Like the poster above you can get lucky

    The other halfs parents live here intermittently and have an 01 and an 03 fiat between them

    Less than 25k miles on each car, taxed, tested, and minded service wise, but they are here so little the mileage is low.

    It was actually an issue at the last NCT as the tyres were too old!


  • #20
    Nforce
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,924 ✭✭✭Nforce


    Bought my '02 Opel Omega last year with 59k miles..backed up with full Opel SH. It's on 66k now.


  • #21
    xperi
    Registered Users Posts: 29 ✭xperi


    my sister has a 96 A4 2 ltr turbo diesel S line. with 50k on the clock brought it new these cars are out there, u gotta get a FSH with this golf or bring ur mechanic with you to inspect it , u gotta be so careful .


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  • #22
    T-Maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,155 ✭✭✭T-Maxx


    What does the Cartell report mention that's making you suspicious?


  • #23
    carbon nanotube
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 994 ✭✭✭carbon nanotube


    Greyfoot wrote: »
    I meant, cars that was in trashed condition with genuine 20k mate.
    All I was saying that its easy to spot the difference between genuine and clocked cars that otherwise had a lot of miles in reality. Sure, not many would clock down a say 100k to 50k, more like, from 190k to say 90k and the tell tale signs are relatively easy to spot.



    you can also compare the milage from similar cars and years.

    and work out the math, if you check out 20 cars and this particular one has several hundred k less miles than the others........


  • #24
    Jumpaddict
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 69 ✭✭Jumpaddict


    If anyone wants the report, pm me and I'll send it on....

    When I seen it, alarm bells just went off and I usually listen to my gut when it comes to these things....


  • #25
    Jumpaddict
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 69 ✭✭Jumpaddict


    billyhead wrote: »
    How muh are you going to offer?

    Probably 3k


  • #26
    Greyfoot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 566 ✭✭✭Greyfoot


    Jumpaddict wrote: »
    If anyone wants the report, pm me and I'll send it on....

    When I seen it, alarm bells just went off and I usually listen to my gut when it comes to these things....

    As they say if in doubt then listen to your feelings and leave it.


  • #27
    Greyfoot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 566 ✭✭✭Greyfoot


    carbon nanotube wrote: »
    you can also compare the milage from similar cars and years.

    and work out the math, if you check out 20 cars and this particular one has several hundred k less miles than the others........

    Indeed, just a quick example here. My friend`s father wanted to buy a car for work, a cheepo one preferably. There is a 99 Primera in the neighbourhood for sale so we went on to see it.
    First, the seller seemed to be a dodgy man in his fifties, he tried to keep reassuring us that the car`s engine is bulletproof etc even without us asking.
    The clock showed exactly 80011 miles, I quickly realized that yo man had it clocked but not even bothered with a random number, probably clocked down from 180k to 80k, and the 11 was test drive miles. The car was rotten, clutch way too heavy, brakes squealing, rust patches all over, signs of head gasket failure after a test drive etc.
    A few weeks later-as my own project was on halt-had to buy a cheep work horse myself. Coincidentally a 99 Primera popped up on dungdeal, no NCT or tax or service history. Went to see it and after 10min chat and a quick test drive I bought it for dirt cheap with genuine 68k on the clock. The guy who sold it and the car both felt genuine and after a couple of days while changing oils and pads I inspected the car further and indeed the general condition of the car was in a state of 70k miles. ;)


  • #28
    Jumpaddict
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 69 ✭✭Jumpaddict


    Anybody know any mechanics that could do an inspection around the limerick/cork area? Might check another one out this evening


  • #29
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    Jumpaddict wrote: »
    If anyone wants the report, pm me and I'll send it on....

    When I seen it, alarm bells just went off and I usually listen to my gut when it comes to these things....
    Just tell us what's off about the report?


  • #30
    Jumpaddict
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 69 ✭✭Jumpaddict


    The number of owners/too many nct missed dates/too many tax missed dates, all coupled with no service history...just got alarm bells going


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  • #31
    antodeco
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,585 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    I've a 1980 car with just under 6k miles. Was bought and 'retired' soon after by it's elderly owner. Was then bought and used only for shows.


  • #32
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    Jumpaddict wrote: »
    The number of owners/too many nct missed dates/too many tax missed dates, all coupled with no service history...just got alarm bells going
    It does say in the ad that the car's had very little use, so it's possible that it was off the road for periods - this could explain both the tax/NCT issues and the mileage. A second possibility is that the car was off the road for periods following one or more accidents, which would also explain the mileage. Of course the car might also be clocked in addition to either of the above. The lack of SH alone would kill it for me. Either way, it's now marked as sold. :)


  • #33
    Jumpaddict
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 69 ✭✭Jumpaddict


    What's for you won't pass you by....just had to listen to my gut I suppose


  • #34
    spannerboy
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭spannerboy


    Jumpaddict wrote: »
    What's for you won't pass you by....just had to listen to my gut I suppose

    I've not heard that phrase before, but agree that if you get a feeling that something is not right that it's best to walk away.

    Hope you find a good one soon. :)


  • #35
    Jumpaddict
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 69 ✭✭Jumpaddict


    spannerboy wrote: »
    I've not heard that phrase before, but agree that if you get a feeling that something is not right that it's best to walk away.

    Hope you find a good one soon. :)

    Its how I justify it to myself on missing out on cracking deals:D

    I actually believe that saying tho to be honest, has saved me hundreds of thousands over the years listening to the 'aul' gut so I'm not going to stop now...something will turn up....

    Cheers...


  • #36
    Pottler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Pottler


    I got a 99 punto a couple weeks back with 49k genuine miles, new nct, taxed 6 months and unmarked - engine bay like factory, €600. It drives like brand new, not a rattle or a squeak and has not a single leak anywhere. Threw it up on the lift and the exhaust is also a new, o.e replacement as are the breaks, timing belt done, FFSH, 1 owner. Wife turned her nose up at it, then took it down to the shops, and I've not got near it since. Her car is now parked up!. There are minters out there, even if a Punto is not your cup of tea.


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