Pre-08 Diesel, under 2.0 litre, 6 speed

darragh_haven · 23-01-2012 5:08pm #1

I need ye to throw out a few suggestions, all knowing boardies fountian of knowledge:p.
Looking for a car and the budget has taken a hit. So i'm looking for a car that fits the following criteria;
1. 06 or 07
2. Diesel
3. Under 2.0 litre (Tax is a killer 2.0 or over, and has to be econmical)
4. 6 Speed gearbox
5. Manual

Is there such cars available. I'm looking far an avensis/a4 sized saloon (no mondeo, just dont like them). Going to be doing a lot of motorway milage between west cork and Northern Ireland. Might look at a focus (like the focus) sized car if it fits the above critera.

EPM · 23-01-2012 5:23pm

darragh_haven wrote: »

I need ye to throw out a few suggestions, all knowing boardies fountian of knowledge:p.
Looking for a car and the budget has taken a hit. So i'm looking for a car that fits the following criteria;
1. 06 or 07
2. Diesel
3. Under 2.0 litre (Tax is a killer 2.0 or over, and has to be econmical)
4. 6 Speed gearbox
5. Manual

Is there such cars available. I'm looking far an avensis/a4 sized saloon (no mondeo, just dont like them). Going to be doing a lot of motorway milage between west cork and Northern Ireland. Might look at a focus (like the focus) sized car if it fits the above critera.

Octavia vRS? Now that injectors are being covered under a recall they arent a bad buy. Good midrange for the motorway, 45mpg easily and plenty of extras.

All depends on budget however.

Max Power1 · 23-01-2012 5:24pm

320d?

R.O.R · 23-01-2012 5:27pm

Vectra / Saab 9-3 / 159 with the 1.9 Diesel in either 120 or 150ps.

Should be able to pick one of them up cheap enough. Alternatively, an A6 2.0Tdi would be a nice bus for big mileage, but may be pushing the budget.

Twin-go · 23-01-2012 5:32pm

Alfa GT 1.9 JTDm would be every bit as pratacle as a 3dr Focus but alot sexier:D

Fizman · 23-01-2012 5:34pm

OP, you do realise the difference between taxing a 1.9 and a 2.0 is about €36?

The increments get silly after 2.0.

heate · 23-01-2012 5:54pm

Fizman wrote: »

OP, you do realise the difference between taxing a 1.9 and a 2.0 is about €36?

The increments get silly after 2.0.

Ha hardly the the straw to break the camels back!

darragh_haven · 23-01-2012 6:16pm

Fizman wrote: »

OP, you do realise the difference between taxing a 1.9 and a 2.0 is about €36?

The increments get silly after 2.0.

I didnt realise that... i thought that there was over a 100 yoyos difference 1.9 to 2.0 on pre-08..... My bad.
a 2.0 litre is over €600, am i right?

miller50841 · 23-01-2012 6:21pm

Go for a Passat diesel or if on budget go for Skoda octavia diesel very reliable and cheap to run boot space huge and nice driver

darragh_haven · 23-01-2012 6:24pm

1,901 to 2,000
660.00
2,001 to 2,100
843.00

There is €183 difference according to this!

Anan1 · 23-01-2012 6:26pm

Almost every 2.0 is under 2000cc.

Fizman · 23-01-2012 6:29pm

Yup.....you're comparing the wrong rates (for the majority, as Anan said).

darragh_haven · 23-01-2012 6:29pm

miller50841 wrote: »

Go for a Passat diesel or if on budget go for Skoda octavia diesel very reliable and cheap to run boot space huge and nice driver

Can i get both of these with 6 speed gearbox pre-08?
I was waiting for that comment from someone:D Octavia and is huge boot space!

Gumbo · 23-01-2012 6:49pm

Why the obsession with a 6 speed gearbox/

miller50841 · 23-01-2012 7:06pm

darragh_haven wrote: »

Can i get both of these with 6 speed gearbox pre-08?
I was waiting for that comment from someone:D Octavia and is huge boot space!

I forgot to add the smiley

thanks for that. You will be able to get all modern diesel cars with 6 speed check out carzone and donedeal. You can add what you are looking for which will make an easier search for you

miller50841 · 23-01-2012 7:07pm

kceire wrote: »

Why the obsession with a 6 speed gearbox/

More fuel efficient as lower revs:D

Seweryn · 23-01-2012 7:29pm

miller50841 wrote: »

More fuel efficient as lower revs:D

This is not always the case

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Gumbo · 23-01-2012 8:07pm

miller50841 wrote: »

More fuel efficient as lower revs:D

not strictly true, my other halves E90 is more efficient at motorway speeds in 5th rather than 6th.

Seweryn · 23-01-2012 8:11pm

kceire wrote: »

not strictly true, my other halves E90 is more efficient at motorway speeds in 5th rather than 6th.

Possible.
And majority of 5-speed gerboxed cars are more efficient when driven in 4th gear (at lower speed) that in 5th.

Gumbo · 23-01-2012 8:15pm

Seweryn wrote: »

Possible.
And majority of 5-speed gerboxed cars are more efficient when driven in 4th gear (at lower speed) that in 5th.

mad isint it

My 530d is more econimical at 85mph than it is at 70-75mph too, its a strange strange world

Seweryn · 23-01-2012 8:30pm

kceire wrote: »

mad isint it

Oh yes, very much

. But some people still wouldn't believe it.

kceire wrote: »

My 530d is more econimical at 85mph than it is at 70-75mph too, its a strange strange world

That is quite strange actually, but not impossible. I bet your car is more economical at 80-90 km/h on lower gear.

Leonard Hofstadter · 23-01-2012 9:24pm

Six speed gearboxes make a car quieter on the motorway as well, because of the lower revs. Unless the car is too underpowered and/or is overgeared, lower revs = lower fuel consumption almost always. Another advantage of it running at lower revs is that you are reducing engine wear - lower revs = less wear and tear on the crankshaft, pistons etc (because they are not turning over as quickly). Obviously going up a hill or something too low revs are a bad thing (you'll wear out the engine by labouring it for starters), and this is why sometimes a lower gear is more economical, but in general cars that cruise at lower revs use less fuel!

Matthewjohn · 23-01-2012 9:26pm

How about a Volvo S40 2.0d or for lower tax 1.6d there comfortable and are good value for the spec.

miller50841 · 23-01-2012 9:34pm

A lot of car companies now do the 1.6diesel but I had a 1.6d focus and it wasnt that good on diesel I found 2ltr better Road tax is a killer before 2008

miller50841 · 23-01-2012 9:35pm

kceire wrote: »

not strictly true, my other halves E90 is more efficient at motorway speeds in 5th rather than 6th.

Its all how you drive your car its all to do with driving style

Leonard Hofstadter · 23-01-2012 9:38pm

I'm sorry but €600 road tax is not what I would consider to be a "killer".

Owning a decent engined car and paying upwards of €1500 and as much as €2258 in some cases most certainly is a "killer" though!

Irish people have a very funny attitude when it comes to car tax. They'll happily spend a few grand more on a car to save two or three euro a week:eek:. It's madness really.

ltdslipdiff · 23-01-2012 10:41pm

Laguna Privilege 2008 !!!!

Gumbo · 23-01-2012 11:06pm

Seweryn wrote: »

Oh yes, very much . But some people still wouldn't believe it.

That is quite strange actually, but not impossible. I bet your car is more economical at 80-90 km/h on lower gear.

Its auto so dont know. if i sit at 70mph on the motorway it will sit around the 40mpg mark, but as i get to in and around 80mph, and cruise at that, the revs drop and the mpg marker sits at 50. Thats when im in an eco mood

my long term mpg is 26.

darragh_haven · 24-01-2012 12:05am

kceire wrote: »

Why the obsession with a 6 speed gearbox/

Motorway from cork to nerwy twice a week. It allows me curise at lower revs.

ianobrien · 24-01-2012 12:54am

darragh_haven wrote: »

Motorway from cork to nerwy twice a week. It allows me curise at lower revs.

This is not always the case. You need to look at gearing and diff ratios to see which has a lower engine speed for a given road speed.

Also, most 6 speed gearboxes are fitted to compinsate for the narrow power band in modern diesel engines, not to give a lower engine speed.

Lex Luthor · 24-01-2012 9:53am

Fizman wrote: »

OP, you do realise the difference between taxing a 1.9 and a 2.0 is about €36?

The increments get silly after 2.0.

yes they do but you're still only talking an extra 265 eur a year and you could have a Honda Accord

Plenty good examples out there

Lex Luthor · 24-01-2012 9:57am

darragh_haven wrote: »

Motorway from cork to nerwy twice a week. It allows me curise at lower revs.

drop into this Honda dealership in Drogheda on one of your trips then and have a look at this Accord
http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=213220380823250

Know it personally and is in top class condition unless it has been thrashed since my mate traded it in just before Xmas
1 owner from new, genuine mileage and FSH

Aln_S · 24-01-2012 10:12am

I owned a '04 1.9Tdi Leon PD Cupra, 150Bhp Standard and 6 speed gearbox. Fab car and I'm sure they could be bought for small monet at this stage.

darragh_haven · 24-01-2012 11:14am

Lex Luthor wrote: »

darragh_haven wrote: »

Motorway from cork to nerwy twice a week. It allows me curise at lower revs.

drop into this Honda dealership in Drogheda on one of your trips then and have a look at this Accord
http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=213220380823250

Know it personally and is in top class condition unless it has been thrashed since my mate traded it in just before Xmas
1 owner from new, genuine mileage and FSH

I'm passing that way on Thursday.... Think ill have a look and see if its still there. Thanks lad.
Btw, what's the tax on the 2.2?

darragh_haven · 24-01-2012 11:19am

ianobrien wrote: »

darragh_haven wrote: »

Motorway from cork to nerwy twice a week. It allows me curise at lower revs.

This is not always the case. You need to look at gearing and diff ratios to see which has a lower engine speed for a given road speed.

Also, most 6 speed gearboxes are fitted to compinsate for the narrow power band in modern diesel engines, not to give a lower engine speed.

I intend testing a few of the models mentioned over the next 6 weeks. I'm going to bring the cars up to 100 kph in 6th and see what revs it is at. Is this a good way to compare them, or am I being too simplistic in my methods?

Leonard Hofstadter · 24-01-2012 12:43pm

darragh_haven wrote: »

I intend testing a few of the models mentioned over the next 6 weeks. I'm going to bring the cars up to 100 kph in 6th and see what revs it is at. Is this a good way to compare them, or am I being too simplistic in my methods?

Too simplistic. Some cars struggle in sixth gear at 100 kph, whereas others will be fine from as low as 80. The only way to make an anyway scientific comparison is to check what the instantaneous fuel consumption meter is showing at any given speed.

trad · 24-01-2012 12:54pm

Considering what you are going to spend on fuel I'd go for upto a 3 litre diesel (auto). You'd get far better value. Road tax on a 3.0 is €1390 but when you do the sums on cost price and depreciation you could have a lot of comfortable car under you for the same or less money.

Gumbo · 24-01-2012 2:22pm

darragh_haven wrote: »

Btw, what's the tax on the 2.2?

Here you go - https://www.motortax.ie/OMT/menu.do?page=motortaxrates

just incase theres a few different cars you want to check.

Pre-08 Diesel, under 2.0 litre, 6 speed

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