Ring Of Kerry Charity Cycle 2016 - no entry requests/offers

mossym · 30-01-2016 6:08pm

BailMeOut wrote: »

what I am saying is that if it is free to apply then a lot more people will apply which would include a large number of time wasters who will most likely not do the event. This means the legitimate people who want to do this (example me) that our chances of getting a spot would be greatly reduced.

This system rewards those that really want to do the event as discourages those on the fence or only half thinking of doing it to stay away.

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again, but this is just bull. what stops the exact same happening at all the other races that are over subscribed? other races have held lotteries. what stops people entering multiple times? quite simple.lots of different things

1) you take peoples payment details. you don't charge anyone. if someone gets a spot, charge them straight away. if they get a second spot, charge them again. the risk of being charged multiple times will stop people entering multiple times.
2) i've already said it's easy to limit one per ip one per email, one per login. it's not rocket science. they had to set up the lottery login system in the first place, so arguments about poor volunteers that don't know how are a bit daft.

BailMeOut wrote: »

Their goal is to raise as much money as possible for charity while keeping the running costs as low as possible.

ah,so now we hit the nail on the head. lets be honest. the non refund is nothing to do with limiting entries. it's to make as much money as possible. and it's their event, so they are quite entitled to do it, and if you want to do the event you live with that. no issue there.

but lets stop with the daft suggestion it's to limit entries because honestly, it makes no sense.

in fact, if the lottery is under subscribed, as you say, then it's more likely it put people off, they won't make any extra lottery fees that don't get entries, and all it does is piss people off for no reason.

and you could say if one really wanted to do it, one would have taken a guaranteed , but more expensive lottery slot, than risking the lottery.maybe anyone really serious about doing it would be on the charity path

10 Carrolls · 30-01-2016 10:16pm

It's a charity cycle in Kerry for local charities. If you don't want to give money to the charities then don't do it. Do it another day if you want to. I don't get how some people say "you don't understand how much work the volunteers have to do" as justification for the price. They're volunteers, they don't get paid, it doesn't make a difference to the price. I hope to do my first this year with a few friends and I'm hoping we all get a place.

PeadarCo · 30-01-2016 10:29pm

10 Carrolls wrote: »

It's a charity cycle in Kerry for local charities. If you don't want to give money to the charities then don't do it. Do it another day if you want to. I don't get how some people say "you don't understand how much work the volunteers have to do" as justification for the price. They're volunteers, they don't get paid, it doesn't make a difference to the price. I hope to do my first this year with a few friends and I'm hoping we all get a place.

I think most people appreciate all the effort the volunteers put in but its the cyclists that raise the money. If no cyclists turned up, no money would be raised. If your going to raise the entry price to a minimum of €85 you have to make sure your organise an event that makes it worth peoples time to go through the effort to raise the money required. If a person was purely interested in donating money to charity there are plenty of cheaper ways to go about doing it.

The Ring of Kerry organisers put in huge amounts of effort but I think in the last couple of years they've forgotten about people who raised most of the millions they've got over the last couple of years. They should always be front and centre.

Domane · 31-01-2016 12:21am

It's 3rd time unlucky for me trying to get into this event. Injured two years ago, couldn't get an entry through the crappy crashing website last year and this year, well let's just say that the "lottery" just put me off even trying. I don't mind the "charity" angle but I feel that they're just "padding" out the price with the lottery fee and then there's the cost of accommodation, travelling to and from Kerry etc. Its just too damn expensive for me to justify the cost of it all for a days cycling. I've done the Ring by myself and while the scenery was fantastic for the most part, the slog from Sneem to Kenmare was actually quite desolate and seemingly unending. That's why I'd like to have taken part in this event to have company along the way, especially for that part of the route that for some reason almost sucked the will to live out of me. Even the uphill 10km climb from Kenmare to Molls Gap was a welcome relief!

Have to,try to get a few mates to do the Ring of Kerry with me again, once you lot have had your day out!😉

lescol · 31-01-2016 10:58am

July 16th! Pat's Ring of Kerry Cycling Challenge

https://www.facebook.com/groups/699176210217670/?fref=ts

neerb · 31-01-2016 11:09pm

Anyone experiencing problems applying online for the lottery - server is slow - may have left it late ?

funnights74 · 01-02-2016 12:58am

neerb wrote: »

Anyone experiencing problems applying online for the lottery - server is slow - may have left it late ?

Today is the final registration day so there may have been a late rush.

Macy0161 · 01-02-2016 9:41am

neerb wrote: »

Anyone experiencing problems applying online for the lottery - server is slow - may have left it late ?

The initial justification for the lottery was the servers not being able to cope with a rush, and then it crashes for lottery applications too!

my friend · 01-02-2016 9:47am

Eamonnator wrote: »

I wonder, could a bike shop or bike chain be brought in as a partner, and have bike personnel at registration, giving bikes a quick once over. They could also have tubes, puncture repair outfits and basic mini pumps for sale.

And maybe clubs could provide cyclists for them too

tuch · 01-02-2016 9:55am

Very telling that it is now February and registration for the lottery which was due to close at end of January is still open.

Have the committee in their greed miscalculated?

Leroy42 · 01-02-2016 10:27am

tuch wrote: »

Very telling that it is now February and registration for the lottery which was due to close at end of January is still open.

Have the committee in their greed miscalculated?

On what basis do you have for saying they are greedy?

These are volunteers that have given up countless hours to help set up and run an event that has provided many charities with invaluable cash to help them carry out their roles and also providing a great event for cyclists of all abilities to take part in.

Now they are being greedy? You think the money they generate is going into their pockets? It is quite a claim and really needs to be backed up with some sort of evidence.

They may be right or wrong, but I doubt very much they are dong this to be greedy. To maximise the money available to charities, might be the case and I hope that is true as that is the point.

07Lapierre · 01-02-2016 11:04am

tuch wrote: »

Very telling that it is now February and registration for the lottery which was due to close at end of January is still open.

Have the committee in their greed miscalculated?

Classic example of "no matter what the ROK committee do, they are wrong"

The Lottery entry doesn't end at exactly midnight on January 31st ... most people would be delighted with this as most people leave it to the last minute to enter.

If the lottery closed at 23:59 on the 31st, people would be giving out that the lottery closed early!

Eamonnator · 01-02-2016 11:19am

I'm selfish.
I hope, they close lottery today. It will mean, if there are less people in the lottery, my name will have a better chance of being chosen.

jon1981 · 01-02-2016 12:24pm

Due to the high level of last minute registrations for this year's Ring of Kerry Charity Cycle, registration has been extended until 11.59pm tonight (Feb 1st)! Register here:
https://em.eventmaster.ie/client/order_step1.html?eventId=763&showHeader=true;

killalanerr · 01-02-2016 12:41pm

jon1981 wrote: »

Due to the high level of last minute registrations for this year's Ring of Kerry Charity Cycle, registration has been extended until 11.59pm tonight (Feb 1st)! Register here:
https://em.eventmaster.ie/client/order_step1.html?eventId=763&showHeader=true;

More tenners them kerry boys is cute .I'm still out

01-02-2016 12:44pm

If I wanted to pay 10 euro to not go on a cycle I'd just order a pizza.

Domane · 01-02-2016 2:32pm

I don't think the organisers are being "greedy" but they are certainly pushing the cost of taking part in this event to the limit of what many could afford, especially when you take the cost of travelling to and from Kerry and accommodation down there. It would cost me about €400 for cheap b&b accommodation for 2 nights, diesel and race fees. That's beyond what I can afford for a sportive. I'd rather spend that sort of money on upgrading my bike.

pedro_colnago · 02-02-2016 12:24am

As someone who has done a good lot of fund raising by cycling I Can see both sides of the argument, I can see why they want to maximise the amount of money brought in for charity, but on the other hand it's a lot to be landing out for what's a leisurely spin in a nice setting, did the event a couple of times a few years ago don't think Id be doing it again, a good leisurely day out but I would be slow to return given the lottery and the amount to be raised. Good luck to them tho but I think it might have reached a peak given a lot of the feedback the last couple of years

The YOPPA · 02-02-2016 11:19am

I have to smile at the people on here talking about "race fees", "sportives" & the lottery system etc...for one, it's NOT a race, it's also NOT a Cycling club event...it a Charity Fundraiser with the aim of raising as much money as possible for some very worthy causes.

As for the lottery system...have any of you ever paid â‚¬10 to enter a 'car draw' or something similar...did you moan & expect your tenner back if you didn't win the car??? No!!

Club cyclists will pay the entry fee and throw the charity a nominal â‚¬50 or something, that's not what this event is about...it's about two things FUND RAISING.

CheGuedara · 02-02-2016 2:24pm

The YOPPA wrote: »

Club cyclists will pay the entry fee and throw the charity a nominal â‚¬50 or something, that's not what this event is about...it's about two things FUND RAISING.

Whatever about the (weak) claim that club cyclists will just give a token sum rather than raise donations towards the cycle, what I really can't stand is not being told the second thing.

The YOPPA · 02-02-2016 9:17pm

I (mistakingly) thought the 2 words in capitals would indicate the two things I was getting at...Funds & Raising. I suppose it was a loose play on words by me!

As for my 'weak' claim...the point I mentioned was made at a meeting I was at with a ROK Committee member recently.

CheGuedara · 02-02-2016 9:45pm

The YOPPA wrote: »

As for my 'weak' claim...the point I mentioned was made at a meeting I was at with a ROK Committee member recently.

Well that's disappointing, though not surprising on the back some of recent years ROK committee communiqués to clubs pre event. It does show just how they seem to have forgotten how those clubs and club riders rode and importantly trained so many others to ride the event and in so doing raised funds for so many charities over the many years before the ROKs more recent increase in popularity and public awareness.

Domane · 02-02-2016 9:55pm

I'm not going to get into slagging off the ROK. Fact is I love Kerry, beautiful place and great locals. Sure I'd love to do the cycle in July but it's just too damn expensive, especially when compared to,similar events like the Tour deConnemara, Ring of Beara, any of the An Post sportives etc. I can see the ROK declining in popularity as they'll kill off the "golden goose" with the incessant rising cost of the event. Just goes to show that nothing has been learned from the days of the Celtic tiger where costs inflated until suddenly, there was no money left and these events died a death.

It's a shame that the cost of raising funds for this charity is so off putting now. Surely charity is what you can afford to give, not what you are told to give. The "lottery" just compounds the problem as its a barely disguised rip off on top of the extortionate (to poor old me at any rate) cost of the event.

Good luck to all those who manage to get an entry and have a great day out. Sorry I can't join you but I'd rather spend the money on upgrading my group set.

Perazzi · 02-02-2016 11:34pm

The YOPPA wrote: »

I have to smile at the people on here talking about "race fees", "sportives" & the lottery system etc...for one, it's NOT a race, it's also NOT a Cycling club event...it a Charity Fundraiser with the aim of raising as much money as possible for some very worthy causes.

As for the lottery system...have any of you ever paid â‚¬10 to enter a 'car draw' or something similar...did you moan & expect your tenner back if you didn't win the car??? No!!

Club cyclists will pay the entry fee and throw the charity a nominal â‚¬50 or something, that's not what this event is about...it's about two things FUND RAISING.

I here what you are saying but I think they are going too far with the money part of it and I know it costs a lot to run and there are far better sportive out there to cycle

stop animal cruelty · 03-02-2016 2:41pm

does anyone know anything abut doing a cycle the day before or after the ring? I heard that some people who dont get in do this....

DKmac · 03-02-2016 3:11pm

Given that the cost of entering the cycle has risen from €50 in 2011 to €85 2016 you'd be inclined to think costs have increased. But they haven't. Infact the organisers are quite proud of the fact that 90% of your entry fee goes to charity, thats about €76. So if the real cost of entrants is about €10 each, why has the donation per individual entrant risen so much?
In my opinion its an opportunistic extortion of people with it being the only sportive on a notoriously popular and scenic route. The fact that the actual entry fee of €85 is not visable anywhere on their website until payment for the lottery suggests this is deliberately misleading. You'd think this should be included in "FAQs" or "Important Information"??

Weepsie · 03-02-2016 3:49pm

stop animal cruelty wrote: »

does anyone know anything abut doing a cycle the day before or after the ring? I heard that some people who dont get in do this....

Its there 365(366) days a year to cycle as you please. No support or closed roads of course

Masala · 03-02-2016 5:42pm

DKmac wrote: »

Given that the cost of entering the cycle has risen from €50 in 2011 to €85 2016 you'd be inclined to think costs have increased. But they haven't. Infact the organisers are quite proud of the fact that 90% of your entry fee goes to charity, thats about €76. So if the real cost of entrants is about €10 each, why has the donation per individual entrant risen so much?
In my opinion its an opportunistic extortion of people with it being the only sportive on a notoriously popular and scenic route. The fact that the actual entry fee of €85 is not visable anywhere on their website until payment for the lottery suggests this is deliberately misleading. You'd think this should be included in "FAQs" or "Important Information"??

Not the only one...

http://http://killarneycyclingfestival.com/

funnights74 · 03-02-2016 9:39pm

stop animal cruelty wrote: »

does anyone know anything abut doing a cycle the day before or after the ring? I heard that some people who dont get in do this....

I haven't heard anything official but thats what we plan to do. We booked accommodation ages ago so if we're not drawn in the lottery we'll head down early on friday, do the ring and enjoy the saturday as spectators. There might be the beginnings of a group here?

keano25 · 03-02-2016 9:53pm

Just got my acceptance slip for the ROK now. I'm in wave 6-6.30am.

Eamonnator · 03-02-2016 10:02pm

keano25 wrote: »

Just got my acceptance slip for the ROK now. I'm in wave 6-6.30am.

Did you sign up with a charity?

keano25 · 03-02-2016 10:03pm

Yeah

kenmc · 03-02-2016 10:05pm

stop animal cruelty wrote: »

does anyone know anything abut doing a cycle the day before or after the ring? I heard that some people who dont get in do this....

Or just cycling it yourself on the day - are they actually going to prevent all traffic from the public roads? Locals have to be able to go about their business as much as possible too. You won't be able to use their food stops etc, but plenty of other options enroute or bring your own.

circular flexing · 03-02-2016 10:29pm

kenmc wrote: »

Or just cycling it yourself on the day - are they actually going to prevent all traffic from the public roads? Locals have to be able to go about their business as much as possible too. You won't be able to use their food stops etc, but plenty of other options enroute or bring your own.

As has been mentioned a few times at this stage, there are some roads that are closed on the day and there are checkpoints setup just before the road closure and only registered riders are allowed through. I believe this is enforced with the support of Gardai, open to correction on that.

kenmc · 03-02-2016 10:34pm

circular flexing wrote: »

As has been mentioned a few times at this stage, there are some roads that are closed on the day and there are checkpoints setup just before the road closure and only registered riders are allowed through. I believe this is enforced with the support of Gardai, open to correction on that.

gougers website wrote:

What happens if I start before 6.00am or after 8.30am? 
You will not have the benefit of backup services or traffic restrictions.

Seems like if you treat yourself to a leisurely breakfast you're entitled to cycle away to your hearts content so.

well spoken man · 03-02-2016 11:38pm

lescol wrote: »

July 16th! Pat's Ring of Kerry Cycling Challenge

https://www.facebook.com/groups/699176210217670/?fref=ts

Sounds like plan B...

PukkaStukka · 09-02-2016 1:26pm

Anyone any idea when the "lottery" results will be published? I've received no emails back from the organisers and there's nothing online either....

The Cycling pianist · 09-02-2016 3:04pm

PukkaStukka wrote: »

Anyone any idea when the "lottery" results will be published? I've received no emails back from the organisers and there's nothing online either....

February 15th according to their Facebook page

funnights74 · 10-02-2016 8:12pm

The Cycling pianist wrote: »

February 15th according to their Facebook page

From their FB page. The lottery has taken place. The winners will be notified on Feb 15th

Wishbone Ash · 10-02-2016 8:28pm

The YOPPA wrote: »

...As for the lottery system...have any of you ever paid â‚¬10 to enter a 'car draw' or something similar...did you moan & expect your tenner back if you didn't win the car??? No!!..

I totally agree with your comments about it being primarily a fund raising exercise but your comparison to a car draw is totally irrelevant as one is not expected to pay for the car after winning it.

Those successful in the ROK lottery are not expecting to get a free registration to the event.

Masala · 15-02-2016 10:19am

So.... Today is the day for the Lottery Email!!!

Hope all u Boardsies get in.... Let us know if is a Yea or a Nay

Hu Deman · 15-02-2016 11:05am

Jaysus it's worse than waiting for exam results I keep checking my email
every 2 minutes

10 Carrolls · 15-02-2016 11:29am

Anybody know when the emails are being sent?

Boscoirl · 15-02-2016 12:18pm

Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?

funnights74 · 15-02-2016 2:08pm

Got in woo hoo. Email from event master ðŸ˜Š.

joehayes999 · 15-02-2016 2:08pm

Got IT!!!!!!!!!

Hu Deman · 15-02-2016 2:10pm

Yep I'm in Panic over....

BailMeOut · 15-02-2016 2:10pm

got my email just now. Subject is 'Congratulations - Ring of Kerry Lottery' if you are looking for it.

Mikecraddock · 15-02-2016 2:12pm

If I entered two people, should I get a mail for both?

joehayes999 · 15-02-2016 2:14pm

Anyone not get one?

Ring Of Kerry Charity Cycle 2016 - **no entry requests/offers**

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Ring Of Kerry Charity Cycle 2016 - no entry requests/offers