Crashes on the N40

the beer revolu · 19-02-2015 8:29am

D'Agger wrote: »

At the same time - I've seen multiple occurrences of pedestrians acting improperly at singers corner, had one or two people walk out in front of my car there and most recently while I was walking, noticed people straight up walking across and forcing a car going around the corner towards South Mall to stop and wait for circa 10 people to pass

That area is a complete mess, the last two times I've decided to go through town from the Mardyke have been disastrous

While pedestrian stupidity is very annoying and unacceptable, a pedestrian is unlikely to kill anyone but themselves by J walking.
Cars are big, heavy, fast and lethal to pedestrians. It's only a matter of time before a pedestrian in the city is run over at a pedestrian crossing.

Cape Clear · 19-02-2015 9:39am

Jay walking is a Cork institution!

D'Agger · 19-02-2015 11:20am

the beer revolu wrote: »

While pedestrian stupidity is very annoying and unacceptable, a pedestrian is unlikely to kill anyone but themselves by J walking.
Cars are big, heavy, fast and lethal to pedestrians. It's only a matter of time before a pedestrian in the city is run over at a pedestrian crossing.

Well the point I was making was that particular area of the city is a mess for drivers and pedestrians due to poor practices by both - there was no intent to single out either party for being at fault, both parties in that particular area aren't playing by the rules and like you've said, it'll ultimately catch somebody out

Going Strong · 19-02-2015 11:39am

the beer revolu wrote: »

While pedestrian stupidity is very annoying and unacceptable, a pedestrian is unlikely to kill anyone but themselves by J walking.
Cars are big, heavy, fast and lethal to pedestrians. It's only a matter of time before a pedestrian in the city is run over at a pedestrian crossing.

On my way home yesterday evening, traffic was stopped at the lights at the top of Grand Parade outside McDonalds. An Audi came over to the wrong side of the road to overtake the two cars in front of him, drove through the pedestrian crossing and *just* avoided a woman walking across (with a red light granted). And all for a single car's length as he waited in the queue to turn onto Washington Street. :rolleyes:

j8wk2feszrnpao · 19-02-2015 12:09pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

While pedestrian stupidity is very annoying and unacceptable, a pedestrian is unlikely to kill anyone but themselves by J walking.

While that is true, never the less it is likely to have a huge impact on the psychology of the driver if they kill a pedestrian, even if it's the pedestrian's fault.

Also, on two separate occasions I've seen cars serve to avoid someone j-crossing the road, and almost end up knocking someone else down; so it's not just the idiot pedestrian that may end up seriously injured.

54kroc · 19-02-2015 1:18pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

While pedestrian stupidity is very annoying and unacceptable, a pedestrian is unlikely to kill anyone but themselves by J walking.
Cars are big, heavy, fast and lethal to pedestrians. It's only a matter of time before a pedestrian in the city is run over at a pedestrian crossing.

That's a good point, it would be great to see j walking policed a bit better in Cork.
A lot of pedestrians don't realise the consequences of what can happen if they don't cross at the correct time in the correct place.
From my own experience of walking around cities in Europe you'd be knocked down pretty quick if you crossed a road in the manner people do in Cork.

Ludo · 19-02-2015 1:30pm

54kroc wrote: »

That's a good point, it would be great to see j walking policed a bit better in Cork.
A lot of pedestrians don't realise the consequences of what can happen if they don't cross at the correct time in the correct place.
From my own experience of walking around cities in Europe you'd be knocked down pretty quick if you crossed a road in the manner people do in Cork.

Funny how peoples perceptions can differ. I just got back from 4 days in London last night and one of the things I noticed there as I was stopped waiting for a green man to cross roads with my kids was the amount of j-walking ALL OVER the place. It isn't something I take much notice of normally but did this time probably as I had to stop at every crossing with kids.
Also nearly got knocked down a few times by people cycling on the footpath on their equivalent of the Coke bikes (another thing people make out only happens in Ireland) and finally noticed that 1 out of every 3 cars roughly there is a Prius :-)

D'Agger · 19-02-2015 1:33pm

Ludo wrote: »

Funny how peoples perceptions can differ. I just got back from 4 days in London last night and one of the things I noticed there as I was stooped waiting for a green man to cross roads with my kids was the amount of j-walking ALL OVER the place. It isn't something I take much notice of normally but did this time probably as I had to stop at every crossing with kids.
Also nearly got knocked down a few times by people cycling on the footpath on their equivalent of the Coke bikes (another thing people make out only happens in Ireland) and finally noticed that 1 out of every 3 cars roughly there is a Prius :-)

Interestingly I got back from 4 days in Berlin and they have a similar system to the USA regarding being able to turn right on a red light if there's no pedestrian traffic - so to that end, as a pedestrian, unless it was very safe to do so - you waited for the light.

Truckermal · 20-02-2015 5:05pm

mik_da_man wrote: »

Just to add my own experience from today.

I joined the ring road at Broomfield, was exiting at KRR, merged into the exit lane about half way along between Douglas exit and the roundabout. Lady in a mini was in front of me. She indicated out and joined the ring road, slowed down a bit and I ended up side by side, then just near the end of the merging lane she decided to come back in, I had to slam on to avoid her hitting me and let her back in...
Idiot!

I seen a buck in a blue A4 well a fancy looking one and he was all over the road, when I passed him he was trying to put on his long johns..:)

Viper_JB · 20-02-2015 5:11pm

Lastest one I seen was a lady eating a bowl of cereal from her lap while on the N40, but you don't have to go far to find someone talking on the phone while weaving in and out of their lane, I can almost pick out the drivers who are on the phone when I'm behind them just by their road position, lane hogging, not indicating, never looking before changing lanes - all while distracted and driving one handed - impressive lack of concern for their own lives.

D'Agger · 21-02-2015 7:27am

And the lives of others Viper_JB

AlonzoHarris · 21-02-2015 11:17am

Aggressive drivers joining the South Ring from the Bloomfield interchange heading west, and cutting across 2 lanes into the overtaking lane as fast as possible are causing huge problems, many crashes and massive tailbacks along the main road.

The tailbacks heading west can go from Bloomfield back to Mahon point on some mornings due to these aggressive drivers joining from Bloomfield. I have witnessed a few tips over the last month as a result of these drivers trying to cut into the overtaking lane as soon as they join.

The tailback should be on the subsidiary road (Bloomfield) not the main road (South Ring).
Some sort of traffic calming for those cars joining the south ring from Bloomfield heading west would reduce the number of crashes and alleviate tailbacks on the main South Ring road.

mik_da_man · 21-02-2015 11:54am

Both sets of drivers need more manners, it's a combination of the people on the ring not leaving space to merge and people from the carrigaline Road needing to join the ring road in the first 20m of the slip road for some reason.
There should be no real queues on either side if people merged properly.

Jimmy Bottles · 21-02-2015 12:55pm

Its nothing to do with this. The Douglas flyover is a pinch point and it needs to be widened to 3 lanes in each direction. 2 roads are combining into 1 and the road there simply doesn't have the capacity with only 2 lanes.

Roar · 21-02-2015 2:10pm

Yesterday I saw a guy over take me just before the first douglas turn off, then cut across three lanes to join said turn off. No wonder there's so many accidents when there's idiots like this driving like that.

Ludo · 21-02-2015 3:03pm

Jimmy Bottles wrote: »

Its nothing to do with this. The Douglas flyover is a pinch point and it needs to be widened to 3 lanes in each direction. 2 roads are combining into 1 and the road there simply doesn't have the capacity with only 2 lanes.

Still cant agree with this. I believe there are many contributing factors. The above is one and even if hundreds of millions was spent making it three lanes I bet there would still be delays due to all the other issues.
And it is not like it is a massive hour long delay. It is a few minutes generally unless there is an accident and I don't believe an extra lane isn't going to help with that. There will still be accidents there with all the lane hopping that goes on around that whole area between Sarsfield Roundabout and Mahon in both directions as people can't get themselves into the proper lane in good time but always need to overtake that one last car.
I personally would be horrified if any politician even suggested making this section three lanes. Much much better things to spend the money on.

Goldstein · 22-02-2015 2:19am

The queue skippers and last minute lane changers are a massive problem and danger on the N40 too.

There need to be permanent plastic bollards placed between the two lanes in the hotspots below 50m before the lanes diverge to prevent this last second idiocy.

Before the Kinsale road flyover westbound - Speeders who have had all the time in the world to move into the appropriate lane do not do so until the last possible opportunity often forcing cars in the corect lane to brake to let them in. When a tailback from the Kinsale road roundabout had extended back that far I even saw a car stopped in the middle lane indicating in - absolute madness considering the volume of cars coming behind him all doing 100kmph and may not have had anywhere to go if there was a car in the overtaking lane outside them.

Before the Kinsale road flyover westbound - Speeders who have had all the time in the world to move into the appropriate lane do not do so until the last possible opportunity often forcing cars in the corect lane to brake to let them in. When a tailback from the Kinsale road roundabout had extended back that far I even saw a car stopped in the middle lane indicating in - absolute madness considering the volume of cars coming behind him all doing 100kmph and may not have had anywhere to go if there was a car in the overtaking lane outside them.

Before the two Douglas offramps eastbound - the number of lunatics in the Douglas lanes that just ver right out at the last second without looking is unnatural.

Before the Mahon Point offramp eastbound - this one is 100% queue skipper related - all the way up in the Mahon Point SC lane then indicate right into the tunnel lane to try to skip about 100 cars ahead in the queue.

Also leading up to the tunnel they need to place static bollards across the hard shoulder about 100m or 150m down from the Mahon Point offramp to prevent people driving up the hard shoulder then trying to barge in just before the tunnel. It's the height of ignorance. If there were even two sets of 3/4 bollards across the hard shoulder in two points everyone could stil use it as a hard shoulder - you just wouldn't be able to drive in it very far.

SpaceTime · 22-02-2015 2:15pm

My observation of the N40 and the M50 is that it's full of ignorant, aggressive drivers who will not allow anyone to merge. The result is dangerous merging, frustration and sudden lane chargers.

We don't teach motorway/dual carriageway driving and the N40 and M50 are the extreme examples as they're ring dustributor roads that suddenly present totally clueless drivers with intense traffic and complicated merges and multiple junctions all close together.

The result : semi organised chaos and frustration and fender benders.

Only solution is driver education and fool-proofing of signage and junctions.

We should definitely have "merge like a zip" signage and rules.

TINA1984 · 22-02-2015 2:21pm

Another solution is variable speed limits at peak travelling times. Indeed, the Douglas flyover with its poor sight lines, lack of H/S and twisting nature could very well be a candidate for a permanently reduced speed limit.

kcb · 22-02-2015 5:41pm

It's a fair point made, about there not being any real form of education in the Irish licence system relating specifically to motorways.

It seems to be rampant in Ireland - people unable to stay in the merge lane for the full length of the lane.

This combined with idiots who make no allowance for merging traffic creates lethal situations.

Another phenomenon I see is (example Carrs Hill) people who straddle two lanes when traffic is backing up and merging into one lane. God forbid both lanes would be used and someone would go past them!

They call the Irish the saints and the scholars but it's not the case when it comes to Irish roads.

Missyelliot2 · 23-02-2015 12:38am

SpaceTime wrote: »

My observation of the N40 and the M50 is that it's full of ignorant, aggressive drivers who will not allow anyone to merge. The result is dangerous merging, frustration and sudden lane chargers.

We don't teach motorway/dual carriageway driving and the N40 and M50 are the extreme examples as they're ring dustributor roads that suddenly present totally clueless drivers with intense traffic and complicated merges and multiple junctions all close together.

The result : semi organised chaos and frustration and fender benders.

Only solution is driver education and fool-proofing of signage and junctions.

We should definitely have "merge like a zip" signage and rules.

Completely agree with you. Driving has become very aggressive. I was lucky enough to live in California for a year, where the speed limits are strict, observed and obeyed. Signs were clear and concise and you were warned about merges/turn-offs and exits 1km before it happened. It was so much calmer - and let's face it, if you end up a few cars ahead of the person you overtook....how much of a difference will that make to your life?
The Kinsale Road Roundabout is awful - partly due poor signage (but a lot of crashes can be assigned to driving!)

run_Forrest_run · 23-02-2015 3:23pm

TINA1984 wrote: »

Another solution is variable speed limits at peak travelling times. Indeed, the Douglas flyover with its poor sight lines, lack of H/S and twisting nature could very well be a candidate for a permanently reduced speed limit.

sure who is going to enforce that?

Outkast_IRE · 23-02-2015 4:50pm

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

sure who is going to enforce that?

Exactly they dont even enforce the 100km/hr speed limit in any serious way on the road.

hoodwinked · 23-02-2015 7:09pm

CORK: Reports of a collision on the northbound bore of the Jack Lynch Tunnel in right lane. http://theAA.ie/Roadwatch

shocker :eek:

and in the right lane too,

i get both lanes are used in the tunnel, but people need to STOP tailgating on the N40 was on it twice on Sunday and each time saw people driving at 100km/h or more up the arse of the car in front, it was so bad not even a 1 second rule could be applied never mind a 2 second rule.

grenache · 24-02-2015 4:07am

hoodwinked wrote: »

shocker :eek:

and in the right lane too,

i get both lanes are used in the tunnel, but people need to STOP tailgating on the N40 was on it twice on Sunday and each time saw people driving at 100km/h or more up the arse of the car in front, it was so bad not even a 1 second rule could be applied never mind a 2 second rule.

It wouldn't happen as much if geriatric drivers stopped hogging the over-taking lane.

marno21 · 24-02-2015 4:50am

I would much prefer if people using the N25 east lane approaching the Dunkettle interchange used the right lane through the tunnel and people using N8 (W) and M8 (N) used the left. (not sure if there's 4 lanes approaching the roundabout or 3, I avoid the Dunkettle interchange where possible)

Need a lot more Gardai out on the N40, although that has been said enough already. Almost got hit last week by a man who came from the KRR (I was going eastbound) who decided to come out and cut across the 2 lanes into the overtaking lane (I was in the centre of the 3 lanes, in order to allow traffic from the KRR to merge effectively)

SpaceTime · 24-02-2015 11:44am

I don't understand how this keeps happening to me on the Kinsale Road Roundabout.

Driving from Togher to "N40 anticlockwise" heading for the tunnel.

Enter roundabout... Follow signs, lights, arrows for N40 and just as I go to accelerate, the car to my left turns right across me from the outside lane and heads towards the airport.

I beep and gesticulate and the driver looks at me as if it's my fault that they've just driven right across my lane, contrary to all known driving and roundabout rules.

This has happened to me at least 6 times this year and it's giving me the impression that a high % of Cork drivers can't use roundabouts or are just inctediably stupid.

Also loads of drivers on normal roundabouts either don't indicate or worse: indicate to exit and then continue on blasting the horn when you enter assuming they're exiting because they've indicated to go off at the previous exit.

There are huge gaps in driver education here.

I'm also shocked at the really hesitant drivers who seem to be incapable of merging or handling things like a right turn at a small junction. How did they pass a test?

Driving along in the overtaking lane at 80km/h wondering why people are flashing at you is another one you see regularly.

Also high % of cars make lane changes without indicating at all. You see people weaving all over the place and nobody seems to enforce these things. I've never seen Garda Traffic Corps on the N40 they only seem to do the odd speed trap.

TheChizler · 24-02-2015 11:50am

SpaceTime wrote: »

I don't understand how this keeps happening to me on the Kinsale Road Roundabout.

Driving from Togher to "N40 anticlockwise" heading for the tunnel.

Enter roundabout... Follow signs, lights, arrows for N40 and just as I go to accelerate, the car to my left turns right across me from the outside lane and heads towards the airport.

I beep and gesticulate and the driver looks at me as if it's my fault that they've just driven right across my lane, contrary to all known driving and roundabout rules.

That's why I stopped using the right hand lane years ago, too many people cutting across your path. Even though the right hand lane is the correct one for joining the N40 and continuing past Douglas. It's an unusual path as the right hand lane can go geometrically straight on.

The opposite commonly happens the opposite direction, if you're in the left lane going straight from Douglas to Togher you'll commonly be cut off by someone going from the middle lane to the airport.

People are unaware of signage and markings basically. Jebus help you if you try to follow the lane markings when taking any third exit on any of the three N40 roundabouts!

SpaceTime · 24-02-2015 12:04pm

A % of people seem to be aware of very little! The signage isn't bad at all.

ABajaninCork · 24-02-2015 12:06pm

I hate the Kinsale Rd Roundabout. Poorly signposted, and too many people simply don't know how to approach roundabouts properly.

The amount of times I've had to step on the brake/hit the horn because of idiots is unreal. The new layout at the Sarsfield Rd is awful too.

I'd like to shake the idiots who dreamed this hot mess up warmly by the throat!!

SpaceTime · 24-02-2015 12:09pm

I saw a guy blissfully sailing around the Glanmire Rd roundabout past all exits with his left indicator on yesterday wondering why a truck beeped at him.

ABajaninCork · 24-02-2015 12:18pm

At least he indicated!! So many drivers approach the roundabouts and trundle on their merry way expecting me to use ESP and KNOW where the hell they're going!!! :mad:

I was at the Dunkettle last week, wanting to go straight ahead. Not the first exit going to Glanmire, but the second one going to Midleton. I'm in the right hand lane, indicating right. Two cars already on the roundabout. No indicators. So I wait. Idiot in an X5 starts leaning on the horn.

He then wondered why I gave him the finger...

Padraig Mor · 24-02-2015 1:05pm

SpaceTime wrote: »

I don't understand how this keeps happening to me on the Kinsale Road Roundabout.

Driving from Togher to "N40 anticlockwise" heading for the tunnel.

Enter roundabout... Follow signs, lights, arrows for N40 and just as I go to accelerate, the car to my left turns right across me from the outside lane and heads towards the airport.

Mostly people coming from Kinsale Rd (by Woodies) I reckon. In fairness, it's difficult to get out from there at busy times - they usually only get a gap of maybe 2 seconds between sets of lights to their right, so I guess many of them just plough into the wrong lane, just to get onto the roundabout (not that that excuses going around in the wrong lane).

TheChizler · 24-02-2015 1:36pm

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Mostly people coming from Kinsale Rd (by Woodies) I reckon. In fairness, it's difficult to get out from there at busy times - they usually only get a gap of maybe 2 seconds between sets of lights to their right, so I guess many of them just plough into the wrong lane, just to get onto the roundabout (not that that excuses going around in the wrong lane).

Good point! Hadn't thought of that.

I could sympathize with their difficulty if they only indicated their intention, someone should let them into the correct lane to continue round. Unfortunately cut-offs normally only happen when you're surprised, if you can see what someone's trying to do you generally hold back and let them in. No hope of that happening when it's a case of close-your-eyes,-swing-into-the-lane-and-hope-for-the-best.

D'Agger · 24-02-2015 2:21pm

Very good point - for one of the main roundabouts in Cork City how is it that a road like the one from Woodies (which sees alot of traffic) doesn't have lights to regulate traffic, it's the only road into the roundabout that doesn't have lights, why?...although another set of lights on that roundabout would be ridiculous!

run_Forrest_run · 24-02-2015 5:29pm

D'Agger wrote: »

Very good point - for one of the main roundabouts in Cork City how is it that a road like the one from Woodies (which sees alot of traffic) doesn't have lights to regulate traffic, it's the only road into the roundabout that doesn't have lights, why?...although another set of lights on that roundabout would be ridiculous!

it really is utterly bananas that cars are allowed enter the roundabout from this side without a fair time shared slot like all the other entry points...it's as if the authorities said "era, it's grand as it is like...let's not go there".

I never approach the roundabout from that side due to the haphazard nature of it, I prefer to head down Mick Barry road and join from the link, it may be a bit longer but it feels a bit more 'controlled'.

SpaceTime · 24-02-2015 5:45pm

I agree it shouldn't have an uncontrolled route onto a signalised roundabout - it's causing huge delays for traffic too.

Dublin's full of somewhat insane roundabouts in the Northern suburbs in particular too.

Those kinds of junctions encourage people to take risks when they've been sitting there frustratedly waiting to get out.

54kroc · 24-02-2015 7:19pm

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

it really is utterly bananas that cars are allowed enter the roundabout from this side without a fair time shared slot like all the other entry points...it's as if the authorities said "era, it's grand as it is like...let's not go there".

I never approach the roundabout from that side due to the haphazard nature of it, I prefer to head down Mick Barry road and join from the link, it may be a bit longer but it feels a bit more 'controlled'.

I've always done this, it seems perfectly reasonable to do it, however if anyone is ever with me they never agree with me.

Ludo · 24-02-2015 8:40pm

54kroc wrote: »

I've always done this, it seems perfectly reasonable to do it, however if anyone is ever with me they never agree with me.

I always do it also. Even leaving Smyths I turn left and go round the long way. Probably just as quick sometimes judging by the time some people wait to turn right at Smyths exit.

Padraig Mor · 25-02-2015 9:39am

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

I never approach the roundabout from that side due to the haphazard nature of it, I prefer to head down Mick Barry road and join from the link, it may be a bit longer but it feels a bit more 'controlled'.

I do the same. I'd hazard a guess that Kinsale Rd was left as the poor relation in terms of access as the bulk of traffic would have been expected to be coming from the South Ring and South Link.

twowheelsonly · 25-02-2015 2:00pm

ABajaninCork wrote: »

At least he indicated!! So many drivers approach the roundabouts and trundle on their merry way expecting me to use ESP and KNOW where the hell they're going!!! :mad:

I was at the Dunkettle last week, wanting to go straight ahead. Not the first exit going to Glanmire, but the second one going to Midleton. I'm in the right hand lane, indicating right. Two cars already on the roundabout. No indicators. So I wait. Idiot in an X5 starts leaning on the horn.

He then wondered why I gave him the finger...

Don't think you should be indicating right here - that would suggest to me that you're going around the roundabout and back towards town.
For straight ahead you should enter the R/Bout and indicate left after you pass the first exit (Glanmire)

N40 and the whole Kinsale Rd R/About area is a disaster. For people that don't know the area the lanes are too confusing. For people that do know it a lot of them tend to drive on regardless of anyone else. Everyone seems to have their own set of rules for the place.
My own pet peeve is drivers in the left hand lane that won't allow anyone to merge from any of the slip roads. Even if there's room to their right they won't move over to allow merging. Some will go to the trouble of speeding up to prevent it!!

Ludo · 25-02-2015 2:17pm

twowheelsonly wrote: »

My own pet peeve is drivers in the left hand lane that won't allow anyone to merge from any of the slip roads. Even if there's room to their right they won't move over to allow merging. Some will go to the trouble of speeding up to prevent it!!

^^This^^

Hate that crap. Some arsehat in a Limerick reg car did this to me last Sunday afternoon. Loads of room between 2 cars in driving lane on N40 ( i mean at least 5 car lengths)...right hand lane empty as I am about to merge onto N40 west at Bloomfield. Dickwad speeds up to close the large gap I was indicating into. Not sure what he was trying to achieve other than being a dick.

ABajaninCork · 25-02-2015 4:09pm

I learnt to drive in the UK. If you're taking the second exit, you indicate right, and get in the right hand lane. When you reach the exit, indicate left...

TheChizler · 25-02-2015 4:23pm

ABajaninCork wrote: »

I learnt to drive in the UK. If you're taking the second exit, you indicate right, and get in the right hand lane. When you reach the exit, indicate left...

Only on a roundabout with no exit past 12 o'clock surely?

http://www.learners-guide.co.uk/lessons/roundabouts/ wrote:

ABajaninCork · 25-02-2015 4:56pm

That's not what I was taught. But then I've been driving nearly 30 years...

kub · 25-02-2015 10:36pm

ABajaninCork wrote: »

That's not what I was taught. But then I've been driving nearly 30 years...

Same here but I find I have to consult the rules of the road book every so often to refresh my brain as this country loves changing rules and regulations so we obey our European masters.

bladebrew · 26-02-2015 1:15am

This is why you cannot trust anyone on roundabouts, if people indicate right when taking the second exit the people entering at the the same place you are exiting are stopped from joining the roundabout because if you are in the right hand lane and indicating right it looks like you are going to the third exit,
A good example is the Cloyne roundabout near Midleton,heading east, people come down the right hand lane, I stay in the left to take the second exit, then when they get to the Castlemartyr exit they indicate left and pull accross me, they are totally in the wrong if there was an accident but they don't even seem to realise what they did, the RSA even have to put ads on TV explaining it,

Ludo · 26-02-2015 7:40am

Unless of course the road markings indicate you should be in the right hand lane to take second exit for example approaching fingerpost roundabout from douglas court and wanting to take Marlborough Hill exit. There are some like this around which causes more confusion. Hate them when you are unfamiliar with the area and road busy so you don't get to see the road markings properly.

Anyway give slightly off topic here I guess.

Padraig Mor · 26-02-2015 10:01am

Bajan's interpretation of the rules ('clockface') is correct, as is the other view ("exit number") - both are legal under the Rules of the Road (bear in mind that the second exit at this roundabout is past the 12 o'clock position). Personally, I think the majority of people operate according to the 'clockface' method, so also indicate right, and use the right hand lane, when taking that exit. Haven't had an issue yet.

D'Agger · 26-02-2015 10:24am

The Chizlers diagram is how I interpret it unless the road markings state otherwise - one roundabout where this is the case is the fingerpost roundabout - if you're coming from Douglas i.e. past McDonalds going towards the fingerpost and you wish to go straight up Maryborough Hill then you need to be in the right lane as opposed to the left lane as the diagram states - this is because the road markings stipulate this.

Crashes on the N40

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