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heartbroken

  • 03-07-2015 1:28am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭


    everything is such a mess. A few months ago I caught my partner sending messages which included pictures to someone on his phone while I was in the same room. I only caught a glimpse I could see him typing back and boxes that contained a pic of a camera as if the picture had expired. When I confronted him he said it was an app but refused to show me or even tell me the name of it. As we have a child after a couple of weeks we returned to normal never for it to be discussed again and it's killing me. my gut is telling me it was an affair with someone who is known to me and that's why he wouldn't show me the phone. things don't feel the same anymore. I don't think his heart is in it but he just won't say. after this happened there was a death in the family so I couldn't push for answers then and now I feel I can't talk about it. I have absolutely no one to talk to and I can't stop crying and thinking about it. I hide that I have been crying no one knows. It's like I can act in front of people but as soon as I'm alone my world comes crashing down. I'm having stomach problems lately and I really think it's a side effect of this. I just wish I could forget what he did but it keeps coming into my head all the time.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭keavebm


    Confront him.thats no way to be treated.u have done nothing wrong and shouldn't be feeling the way u are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    keavebm wrote: »
    Confront him.thats no way to be treated.u have done nothing wrong and shouldn't be feeling the way u are.

    Thanks for the reply I know you are right. I just need the courage to have the conversation as I know as soon as it's started the relationship is over. He was my best friend and I'm scared to loose him but I know friends don't do that to others so I know it has to happen. We are together a long time. That's why I stayed but if he's cheated he's obviously in his mind agrees it's over


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭keavebm


    It's not necessarily over ye just need to be adults and sit down and have the dredded talk things can be worked out even if everything seems lost.best of luck and I hope everything works out


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭milli milli


    phonecheat wrote: »
    We are together a long time. That's why I stayed

    Op I know you have a child with this man, but is the above reason why you are staying with him?
    Do you love him? As a boyfriend, not just as a best friend?
    I'm not prying, but do you have a regular, fulfilling sex life? You don't have to answer that.
    Is he good to you and treats you well?

    If your needs are not being met, then you need to have a chat with him. It may not be the end of the relationship, it may just be the kick the relationship needs if you feel it has gone stale.
    I know breakups (if this is the result) are just awful and painful but you shouldn't stay with a man who doesn't love and respect you. You both deserve the best in life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    I do love him. If you asked me before this I would have said 100 %. Now taking into account the negative I'd say 90 % until I get the answers or the truth. I don't mind answering the sex question it was very regular a couple of times a week which is why I was so shocked and hurt. I realise that I have answered myself by saying that I need to talk to him and ask for answers. It's a big leap that I know I need to take for my mental health. I just need to take it and pray he answers instead of saying he doesn't want to talk about it and shuts down. Just like he did at the start.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,230 ✭✭✭Merkin


    phonecheat wrote: »
    I do love him. If you asked me before this I would have said 100 %. Now taking into account the negative I'd say 90 % until I get the answers or the truth. I don't mind answering the sex question it was very regular a couple of times a week which is why I was so shocked and hurt. I realise that I have answered myself by saying that I need to talk to him and ask for answers. It's a big leap that I know I need to take for my mental health. I just need to take it and pray he answers instead of saying he doesn't want to talk about it and shuts down. Just like he did at the start.

    Can I ask you please to be patient. All unregistered posts are put in a queue need to be approved but you posted this reply a total of nineteen times. Once will suffice and it will be approved as and when a Mod is next online.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Merkin wrote: »
    Can I ask you please to be patient. All unregistered posts are put in a queue need to be approved but you posted this reply a total of nineteen times. Once will suffice and it will be approved as and when a Mod is next online.

    Sorry I am new to this site and I kept getting an error message saying oops you can't follow or unfollow posts so I didn't think it was getting through. I will be more careful now that I know. Sorry again


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,572 ✭✭✭Colser


    Hi OP...I can totally relate to your predicament and this may sound harsh but what possible explanation can he give that will make you feel any better and why did he not discuss this at the time?
    I hate to say this but you know that you are right and my guess is that he will turn it all around on you...he will tell you that its all in your head ect. and make you doubt yourself .If he didnt own up straight away I doubt that he will admit it now. he will just hope that you will let it go eventually.
    I could be all wrong but that was my experience of something similar and its a total headwrck...the bottom line is that even if he admitted it what would you do..it will always be at the back of your mind.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 966 ✭✭✭Mourinho


    phonecheat wrote: »
    I kept getting an error message saying oops you can't follow or unfollow posts so I didn't think it was getting through

    Yeah actually a heads up to the mods I had the exact same issue when trying to post anonymously via the touch site recently even tho it had posted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Colser wrote: »
    Hi OP...I can totally relate to your predicament and this may sound harsh but what possible explanation can he give that will make you feel any better and why did he not discuss this at the time?
    I hate to say this but you know that you are right and my guess is that he will turn it all around on you...he will tell you that its all in your head ect. and make you doubt yourself .If he didnt own up straight away I doubt that he will admit it now. he will just hope that you will let it go eventually.
    I could be all wrong but that was my experience of something similar and its a total headwrck...the bottom line is that even if he admitted it what would you do..it will always be at the back of your mind.

    I just want the truth no matter how good or bad it may be I can then base my decision on that. He claims it was a porn app but wouldn't show me or tell me the name so I could re create what I saw. To me it was a text message but I have never seen one with pics that are of a camera as if it has expired or you need to do something to open. I know what you mean in relation to saying it is in my head as he tried that before he said it was a porn app. Now it's like it's been brushed under the carpet.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭mangotracy


    phonecheat wrote: »
    I just want the truth no matter how good or bad it may be I can then base my decision on that. He claims it was a porn app but wouldn't show me or tell me the name so I could re create what I saw.

    I have been in this position exactly. I even posted here! (Cringe... !)

    It is awful but you are going to need to be strong. Take it from someone who knows! You will never get past this otherwise, it cannot be swept under the carpet, but I think you know that.

    I found out several text messages on the phone bills when tidying up! Trust your instincts. The first thing you have to do is get as complete as picture as you can of what is going on. Check your phone bills. It is up to you, but I gave my partner a chance by confronting him straight away and then demanded to see his phone, his computer. Don't be surprised if he resists. Just insist. Say that no matter what he thinks, the truth will be better than secrets. That if there is any chance at all or repairing this, he has to let you find out.

    My partner covered up, deleted message, lied for weeks before I finally got the whole truth. He had acted terribly. But he was also ashamed and would have done anything to avoid being honest. Just keep repeating to him that you must know the truth and don't let it go. My partner had been on internet dating sites and texted many women, and had even met up with some. Pretty bad. But I'm so glad I know.

    Once you have the truth then it is up to you whether you can carry on in your relationship. No one else can tell you what is right for you. But please don't stay unless he really realises the effect it has had and is truly remorseful for any pain.

    I stayed with my partner but I have the passwords to anything that he uses, even his phone. It's not a great way to be, but it allowed me time to build up trust again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭vertmann


    Ladies, if I was a cheating type I'd just get a spare Pay As You Go handset and avail of the incognito browsing option that's in most web browsers these days.... Just sayin' ;)

    Back to the question of what to do next. OP, go with your gut. Cheaters often don't admit to the truth until they're backed into a corner and there's no other option but to 'fess up. Even then you can't be sure they're telling the whole truth. It's up to you whether you accept that Porn App excuse despite your misgivings. What is your head telling you? Not your heart.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    To give you an update guys I had decided I may have been stupid and may have been suffering from depression. I decided I couldn't live life like this and made an appointment to see the doctor. I broke down and told him how I was feeling and he owned up to a two and a half year affair. Long story short I went anyway to see the doctor as I have been feeling extremely low and believed I still needed support. I have kicked him out. I have no intention of taking him back. My life now is what I make it and I'm going to make the best life for me and my son. I feel relieved I know the truth.


  • Registered Users Posts: 601 ✭✭✭Magicmatilda


    First well done on addressing the issue. I know how hard that is but in the end you trusted your gut and you were right. If you learn nothing else at least learn that you can trust your own instinct.

    Make sure you use the support of family and friends and do not feel ashamed or embarrassed to tell family and friends about his deceit. The shame is his, not yours.

    You must be so hurt and angry now. There are going to be times when your are incredibly sad and lonely. This is why it is so very important to have a good support network. Do you have that?

    Make sure he is paying maintainence, if not get DSP to chase him for it. He is of course, still entitled to see his child and of course his child is entitled to see him, try to not let this impact on that but maybe get a friend/family member to do the hand over. Also might be worth getting someone to explain to him that introducing his child to his new woman this soon could be damaging and confusing, depends on the age of the child. Honestly i feel sorry for her, imagine playing second fiddle for so long and him only leaving when he has been kicked out!! Sad really but leave them on.

    It is a tough road ahead but you are getting a chance to build a life you want and a life to be proud of for you and your child.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Sunflower 27


    I really wish you all the best. You sound determined to make yourself and your son a priority. He's a lucky boy having a mum like you.

    I hope you start to feel better soon :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    I haven't posted in a few days as you can imagine I am licking my wounds. You boardsies have been a great help to even just know strangers care in a funny way. For the sake of my son only the people we have to tell know as he is in his teenage years and is embarrassed by it all so boards was the perfect way to talk but remain anonymous.

    On Monday after finding out of course I kicked him out. He has not gone to be with her and claims he has no interest in her. After a few days I have calmly listened to both sides of their story in the interest of trying to salvage a friendship with him as we were together for 20 years. We were also best friends for that time too.

    Both stories have similarities but also discrepancies. From what I have gathered about 2 and a half years ago he sent her a friend request on Facebook. At the time we were renovating our house and still living in it. She says she was going through a rough time with her husband and he listened. It got flirty more than likely suggestive about 9 months in. She said he asked to meet for coffee but he says at that stage he was damned for his flirting and she asked to meet and he felt that he had to. They met up with no kissing/ sex.

    They continued contact and met up a few times like this. It then ramped up to sexting and stuff where she says there was no pressure but he says there was constant threats tto tell me and her husband. She is married with three kids. About a year ago it became sexual with him confirming that he supplied the condoms but he maintains under the fear of me finding out and she says no pressure. They had sex about six or seven times throughout the year the last time about 8 weeks ago. He said it got to the stage that he was telling her what she wanted to hear and that if he didn't reply to texts within 15 minutes the threat to tell was made. Again she says there was no pressure and only threatened this once.

    I am not proud but I did make sure her husband found out on the day I found out and she had told him a different story. I had to tell him it was sexual she hadn't when she said she had told him everything. She says she wants nothing more to do with my ex but he showed me his phone and she has sent texts saying to answer his phone ect or her husband will be meeting him after work. This she admitted she sent in anger but has neglected to tell me which I have seen on phone logs she is calling him from a private number which he is not answering she also now calls me from a private number as I asked if she thought of anything else to ring me.

    She did call yesterday to say she couldn't think of anything else and did ask did I have him back in the house which I don't. I also told her I had a sti test on Wednesday and got a text yesterday to say my results were normal.

    He is begging me to take him back and is offering to go to councilling give up his smart phone and go back to a cheap Nokia where I would have full access to phone computer ect. He has also offered to take a sti test every 3 months. He maintains she is telling me some truth but twisting it to suit herself.

    I can't even consider taking him back at the moment and to be honest I don't think I ever can as I don't think I could be intimate with him again. I want to be his friend but at the mo that's very hard but I also miss the friendship very much. Our son loves him so much I can't not allow him to call and see him as the way I look at it he should not be made to pay for the sins of the father. We do talk things through also when he visits and we try not to shout as it gets us no where.

    Is this normal to be like this? I'm justifying it by saying we are doing it for our son but are we also doing it to inadvertently spend time in each others company? I don't want it to be a worming his way back in situation but I miss his friendship and in a weird way wish to spend time with him but not have him live here and nothing sexual. I can see he misses me and his life here but is it me he wants? I do think ( I may be a fool to think it) he didn't love her as both have nothing to lose and there is nothing stopping them being together now and he has said with pure venom because of the threats and torment she put her through he'd kill her. Is this an act or crocodile tears I don't know. The important thing is his relationship with his son and we are going to have to still be able to be in a room together for his sake. I just can't see the point of going for each others throats for 6 months being bitter and then having to be an adult and have to behave like a responsible adult anyway. Am I being a fool?


  • Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭mangotracy


    It is normal to miss him and have mixed feelings. However, if I were you - now that you've got as much information as you can I'd stand back completely for a good long while - weeks and months. Have minimal contact with him - arrange when he sees his son and tell him that you are spending time to recover.

    I was in a position where I took my partner back too quickly - and the same things came up again and again - give yourself time. You don't have to make any decisions. Just stay away from him as much as you can.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    mangotracy wrote: »
    It is normal to miss him and have mixed feelings. However, if I were you - now that you've got as much information as you can I'd stand back completely for a good long while - weeks and months. Have minimal contact with him - arrange when he sees his son and tell him that you are spending time to recover.

    I was in a position where I took my partner back too quickly - and the same things came up again and again - give yourself time. You don't have to make any decisions. Just stay away from him as much as you can.

    Thanks for your view. It is helpful to hear from someone who has been in a position where they had to deal with should I shouldn't I take him back and I think you are right. I am not in the frame of mind to make that decision and stepping away until I am is the right thing to do no matter how long it takes. Who knows in three months time I might just say I can't do this. If I think I can then start councilling. At the moment it's too raw and important decisions like that cannot be made. Time to see what life holds for me and my son first.

    I think my last post was during a low moment and I was yearning for what we had. It may be grief in a way. The best I can hope for in time is hope for a friendship but I know I must take some time.

    I am now saying to myself tonight I feel better than the night I found out so people are right I will feel happy again in time whether it is starting again on my own or starting again with him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 667 ✭✭✭OneOfThem


    His story is that he started sleeping with her because she threatened to tell you they had flirted if he didn't... ?

    You understand that's complete nonsense right?

    If you feel you can forgive him, and remain friends, or maybe even give the relationship another shot, then fair enough. But do so with your eyes wide open, he had sex with her because he wanted to have sex with her, no other reason.


  • Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,947 Mod ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    You are doing really well. :)

    As your son is a teen, handover should be a lot easier - ex waits in the car, son goes out to the car. Realistically he shouldn't even need to set foot inside the house, but does because it gives him another crack at pestering you to reconsider.

    You can be friends with him at some point, but not now when its all so raw. That is true of any break up. You cant get over someone if they are constantly in your face. Which he is banking on I think. So I do think you'll need to draw a line and minimise contact with him. You'll find it helpful even if you miss him. Like I say, you can rebuild a friendship with him once your heart has healed a bit.

    You will have good and bad days. You are grieving, so allow yourself that. Some days you'll just want to wallow a bit, another day you'll be gung-ho and full of action. Just take it day by day for now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    OneOfThem wrote: »
    His story is that he started sleeping with her because she threatened to tell you they had flirted if he didn't... ?

    You understand that's complete nonsense right?

    If you feel you can forgive him, and remain friends, or maybe even give the relationship another shot, then fair enough. But do so with your eyes wide open, he had sex with her because he wanted to have sex with her, no other reason.

    He claims before sex they had been exchanging graphic pictures and that's where the threats were but I astill saying it was his own free will. There wasn't a gun put to his head owning up to pictures isn't as bad as sleeping with her. I do believe it was his own free will.

    He has made the first step by arranging councilling which I will attend this will either help with an amicable break up or help us work it out.

    I think space is what is needed before the first session so I can gather my thoughts.


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