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Today I did some detailing...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,047 ✭✭✭✭cena


    Not many women would look after a car this. Great job on the shine


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,854 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    cena wrote: »
    Not many women would look after a car this. Great job on the shine

    Indeed! DZ is one of few women who look after their cars :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,792 ✭✭✭Ded_Zebra


    Chimaera wrote: »
    Was it OAC's Tar Cleanse you used? I've got some dodgy rattle can work (sadly my own misguided attempts) to remove and this might make it easier.

    It was:)

    It may not work on your paint though. Apparently this stuff wasn't car paint but the kind of stuff that you get in Dealz or the likes for a couple of quid. I would imagine that car paint would withstand Tar cleanse .
    Indeed! DZ is one of few women who look after their cars :pac:

    Not quite, 1 more operation to go :pac: Just saving up for it, that's why I'm driving a daysul now :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,792 ✭✭✭Ded_Zebra


    Here are the roof rails I was talking about. Any ideas? :)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,854 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    I had that oxidation on the chrome trim around my doors. A dremmel with the cotton polish pad and autosol did the job. I did that over a year ago and still fine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,792 ✭✭✭Ded_Zebra


    I had that oxidation on the chrome trim around my doors. A dremmel with the cotton polish pad and autosol did the job. I did that over a year ago and still fine.

    Did it leave an even finish?
    Those roof rails have a lot of surface area for a dremmel…. Don't really fancy that much work :p Metal polish by hand did literally nothing for them and there was no blackness on the applicator like you would normally get when polishing metal. Is there a clear coat that needs to be polished through first?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,854 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    Even finish?? What are ya gob****in' on about?? It left and oxidation-free, factory finish.

    See, in order to remove this type of thing from metal, you need a bit of heat build-up and the fast rotation of the dremmel. It's tedious but it's the only thing I have found to work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,792 ✭✭✭Ded_Zebra


    Even finish?? What are ya gob****in' on about?? It left and oxidation-free, factory finish.

    See, in order to remove this type of thing from metal, you need a bit of heat build-up and the fast rotation of the dremmel. It's tedious but it's the only thing I have found to work.

    Grand cheers for that :) the energy for detailing is low at the moment after the weekend but I will give it a go in a week or so maybe.

    What kind of attachment did you use on the dremel? One of these boys?

    DremelBuff.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,854 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    Yep, that's the one!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,189 ✭✭✭Stallingrad


    If you get an even finish on an area that large with a Dremmel I'll eat my hat!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,854 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    If you get an even finish on an area that large with a Dremmel I'll eat my hat!

    I did. All you're doing is polishing the oxidation out of metal for feck sake! You're not remove a layer of aluminium or anything like that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭Toyotafanboi


    Ded_Zebra wrote: »
    Cheers lads. There's a couple of bits to finish off on it alright. One of the worst bits is the roof rails. They're aluminium and as far as I can tell they have a clear coat on them. The problem is that they have oxidised under the clear coat and they can't be polished back with metal polish. I remember people saying that this happened to their Audis on here before but can't remember how they fixed it. Any ideas? On a phone so I can't post up pics but I will later.
    I did. All you're doing is polishing the oxidation out of metal for feck sake! You're not remove a layer of aluminium or anything like that.

    not sure if trolling or just didn't read DZ's post :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭randy hickey




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,854 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    not sure if trolling or just didn't read DZ's post :confused:

    I did read it and I'm trying to say that I used a dremmel with that exact same cotton pad that DZ posted along with Autosol metal polish and it completely removed the oxidation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭Toyotafanboi


    I did read it and I'm trying to say that I used a dremmel with that exact same cotton pad that DZ posted along with Autosol metal polish and it completely removed the oxidation.

    Was your oxidation under lacquer?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,854 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    Was your oxidation under lacquer?

    More than likely. it just leaves a very smooth finish. No such thing as an uneven surface.


  • Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 11,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭MarkR


    Gave the focus a bit of a going over. I never seem to get the time for it, so a wash, liquid "clay" bar, and wax was a big thing.

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    The liquid clay bar was a thing from turtle wax I picked up a couple of years back. I don't think it did much more than a polish would do, so I'll pretend I polished it. :D


    I also got some of those privacy shades for the car. Now that the summer sun is safely gone, I've popped them in.

    I've had them before, and I like them in that you can pop them out if you are reversing out of a tricky spot at night.

    Before
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    After
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    This is what they look like from the inside.
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    And the rear window
    318582.jpg

    Probably not to everyone's taste, I was torn between this and tints. I do like the option of removing them though. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,845 ✭✭✭Noccy_Mondy


    Just looking for a quick answer here. Please dum things down for me!

    Want to give one of the cars a quick going over before it goes on its merry way. Seeing as I have a bottle of turtle wax I want to use that. What's the procedure? De-tar first, wash, apply wax? Does it need protection after? Can I get names of products as well. Would a 500ml bottle of Turtle wax be enough to do a Peugeot 206?


  • Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 11,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭MarkR


    500 ml would do a fleet of cars. :) You put it on fairly sparingly, let it dry until it doesn't smear with a touch of a finger, and then wipe it off. There are loads of videos on youtube that should help. The more wax you put on, the more you have to wipe off!

    These guys are a laugh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭Paddy@CIRL


    After a summer of neglect, its first wash in nearly two months:

    DSC02160_zps799a75a5.jpg

    I've some seriously stubborn bug stains on the front bumper that any mixture of bug bugger or APC won't shift. Any ideas?


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  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 9,954 ✭✭✭mik_da_man


    For really stubborn stuff like that I use holtz tar remover.
    Great stuff IMO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 ✭✭✭Curran


    mik_da_man wrote: »
    For really stubborn stuff like that I use holtz tar remover.
    Great stuff IMO.

    I dont often tell people not to use a certain product, but Holtz Tar remover in the aerosol can is definitely one!
    Its does a serious job of removing tar, but also at softening paint and destroying trim!! Messy as fook too!!

    Unfortunately, it the bugs are that mashed into the car, it is going to need something strong enough to remove them, that will also remove your layered products. So easiest is to use a tar remover, and re-apply whatever you have on the car again.


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 9,954 ✭✭✭mik_da_man


    Curran wrote: »
    I dont often tell people not to use a certain product, but Holtz Tar remover in the aerosol can is definitely one!
    Its does a serious job of removing tar, but also at softening paint and destroying trim!! Messy as fook too!!

    Unfortunately, it the bugs are that mashed into the car, it is going to need something strong enough to remove them, that will also remove your layered products. So easiest is to use a tar remover, and re-apply whatever you have on the car again.

    Really?, I did knida wonder that seeing as how it gets rid of stuff so easily
    I know it's a pain to work with but I find it great at removing tar/bugs
    But if it's damaging my paint I'll stop using it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 ✭✭✭Curran


    Used it years ago when I used to do my auld fella's car. Got stuck without my usual tar remover and grabbed a bottle of it in the motor factors, as there wasnt anything else.
    When I sprayed it on, it didnt come out as I expected, and got some on the trim, which marked it.

    Yes its a pain in the arse job to do, but there are other tar removers almost as good at removing tar, but a hell of a lot safer. Rather have to do an area twice knowing its safe, than once with something that is going to shift it but at a risk! ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭Paddy@CIRL


    I've AF Oblitarate there that I'll give it a go with. There's no protection currently on the front of the car as it was recently painted. Silver lining and all that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,587 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    I will tell you one thing.
    Never in my lifetime would I attack an E60 with a Das 6 Pro.. !!
    Talk about a never ending story. I still have to do the sideskirts and to be honest I am not overly happy with the bumpers, But I guess some marks just won't come out.

    Definailey buying a Rotary and PTG after this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 ✭✭✭Curran


    Yeah, BMW paint is rock hard and the E60's are HUGE!
    Worked on many, and always more work than anticipated! :( :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,587 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    Curran wrote: »
    Yeah, BMW paint is rock hard and the E60's are HUGE!
    Worked on many, and always more work than anticipated! :( :P

    Indeed.
    I started at the boot door and thought, " This is going well"
    Bloody hell, even the doors are huge,, Ha..!
    When I finished it today I was aching and told my son to look after it as I am not doing it again unless he buys me a rotary and a PTG. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 ✭✭✭Curran


    That should have been the payment for the work you've done today! :P
    Even when you get the larger panels done, you think you've the brunt of the work behind ya, but have ye fook! :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,587 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    Curran wrote: »
    That should have been the payment for the work you've done today! :P
    Even when you get the larger panels done, you think you've the brunt of the work behind ya, but have ye fook! :P

    I know
    The E46 was a breeze compared to it.. :(


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  • Registered Users Posts: 373 ✭✭Spike Witwicky


    On the subject of rock hard German paint, Got me Menzerna and gave it a go.

    Compared to CG V36 this is a lot more aggressive. One application of FG400 and a few passes with the DA and result! Havent appied the SF4000 finishing polish yet but the FG400 is great at swirl removal on Merc Obsidian Black paint

    Apologies for crappy camera phone pics
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    20140816_152318_zpsndyogo3x.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 ✭✭✭Curran


    V36 wouldnt be CG's most aggressive polish; there's V34 and V32 in their range that would be a step up.

    Nice results there! Big improvement in the depth, clarity and gloss, Id say, and nobody is going to see those faint swirls that remain once you apply a wax!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,854 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    V38 is an excellent finishing polish and would be a hell of a lot less chalky/dusty than the Menzerna.


  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Does anyone here know what kinda money a car valeter makes?

    I've an interview tomorrow for a full time job as a valeter, but a full time job will severely eat into my self employment ventures, so I'm trying to work out if it's actually worth my while taking it on (of course I might not actually be offered the job, anyway, but assuming I am, I'm not sure if i'd be better off where I am, or taking it on).

    Also, does anyone know if a valet job for a dealer is a handy number where you can stroll around at your own pace, or do they give you unrealistic nonsense targets (do X amount of cars in Y amount of time)?

    I presume the only cleaning that's done is on their own cars. The particular dealer I'm going to doesn't seem to offer it as an actual service, so.. not sure if that makes things significantly easier.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 ✭✭✭Curran


    Believe it or not, a Valet will probably make more money than a detailer - line them up and knock them down!

    But dont be fooled; its not exaclty easy work - its physical! But if you can get a decent client base, then you'd get by working as one!
    The struggle is often where to drawn the line; you want to do a good job so customers return, but charge a reasonable price to cover your product cost and time. People often forget product cost and assume money is for time working on the car only. Standard of work has to be reasonable, but for me perosnally, Id never be happy doing a half arsed job and doing a job that would pay 20 mins work, would run into 30 or more and then there's no money in it!


  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hmm.. that sounds eerily familiar, Curran... :confused: :P


    Well I presume that it's a per-hour wage job. But I'm thinking (wrongly, perhaps?) that it's no more than a minimum wage job and 'quick' is the order of the day.

    I was over in a different dealer the other day getting my own car looked at and I seen their valeter doing a car. He had a pressure washer with some kind of foaming brush attachment. I'd say the paintwork was being torn to sh*te. Didn't see any drying going on either. Just on to the next car (though I could be wrong, on that, he may well have dried it and I just didn't see it).


    So I don't think care for paintwork is a high priority to a dealer's valetor..?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 ✭✭✭Curran


    If it will eat you up inside knowing the damage a valet* can do to a car; then its not the job for you!

    Cant imagine it pays well at all, at a per hour rate, ideal for a summer temporary job, not for a living - stick to what you are good at! ;)

    * - most valets!


  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Curran wrote: »
    stick to what you are good at! ;)

    Back on the dole I go... :(


    :p


    Ah no, I don't think it'd bother me ruining a cars paintwork with a brush. Might be an eye opener to see just how little people care about a product they're about to drop thousands of Euro on. :eek:

    But sure most people don't know any better. That said, a friend of mine bought a 2007 Focus there not too long ago. It was black. He bought it off a dealer locally.

    To say the finish was first class would be an understatement. Someone really went to town on detailing it (whether it was the previous owner or the dealer, I don't know). But it was done to exceptional standards. I was literally shocked. Almost froze up when I seen it. Couldn't believe what a good job had been done on it.

    So if this job was doing the same level of work as was done on that car, it'd be worth doing for a couple of weeks even just to learn the methods they use (different dealership though).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,587 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    V38 is an excellent finishing polish and would be a hell of a lot less chalky/dusty than the Menzerna.

    I was actually after forgetting how dusty Menz was until I used some on the E60 this week.
    Mother of god.!! :(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 ✭✭✭Curran


    To say the finish was first class would be an understatement. Someone really went to town on detailing it (whether it was the previous owner or the dealer, I don't know). But it was done to exceptional standards. I was literally shocked. Almost froze up when I seen it. Couldn't believe what a good job had been done on it.

    Chances are, that the previous owner actually washed the car meticulously and stuck to the correct methods to washing it. 2BM, good drying towel, using safe products, etc!!
    You'd be surprised how long a car will stay looking very fresh, if cared for. There is no way to prevent swirls, but a wax will cover/hide the majority if they arent deep.

    My own car hasnt seen a machine polisher in almost 4 years - there are swirls, but if I got the finger out and got a few coats of wax on it, it would look close to showroom!!
    vectra wrote: »
    I was actually after forgetting how dusty Menz was until I used some on the E60 this week.
    Mother of god.!! :(

    It is a bit frustrating alright, but not a major problem if you plan to the whole car in one session. As the car will need a full wash down anways! Doing 1 or 2 panels at a time and doing it over a few days, it is painful! :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 373 ✭✭Spike Witwicky


    Hmm still have a load of V38 left so i might have to do a comparison. I thought it would be better to stick to the same manufacturer. Did notice it was a bit dustier though.

    I was thinking about using Menzernas Powerlock sealant and topped with their Colorlock liquid carnauba wax or would you guys recommend something else?

    (note to self: stay the **** away from E60's)


  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Curran wrote: »
    Cant imagine it pays well at all, at a per hour rate, ideal for a summer temporary job, not for a living - stick to what you are good at! ;)


    Well I was in with them this morning. Have to say, the chap I was talking to was a gentleman and really easy to get on with.

    They were asking what kind of money I'd like to be coming out with, to make the job a feasible one. I gave a price, but they said that would be an issue, as they'd really only be looking at about €300 take home per week (I was asking for higher).

    At €300 per week, it's not really feasible, though. I said it'd be grand if it was just 3 days a week, with longer hours (rather than the same hours over 5 days) as it'd mean I could take on other work at the days I'm off, etc. but he didn't really seem too keen on the idea.


    Truth be told, my Mondays-Wednesdays are rarely very busy. If I could have wrangled him into taking me on for three days a week (mon-wed), doing three 12 hour shifts, it'd have been well worth going for (even at minimum wage).

    But I realise that's not practical for a dealership's business model.


    I might actually get in touch with a few of the dealers in the town and see if I can manage to pull that off (part time valeting work). Not sure if they'd laugh me off the phone or not though.

    For some reason I had it in my head that a business would be better off having multiple part time workers, rather than fewer full time workers. But I could well be wrong there, of course (ie; take me on for 2 days, and take Vectra on for the other 3, for example...).


    (just used your name there randomly Vectra.. :) )


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,607 ✭✭✭toastedpickles


    Been a while since i was in here! So anyway, I've been asked to display my car in the Kilkenny classic car show on Sunday (even though its not a classic) so I said why not, not knowing when it was going to rain again, so I worked as fast as i could, which wasn't very fast, god I need a rotary doowhacky I only got one picture as i just wanted to get it done, but to give you an idea of how bad it was, the alloys were literally black with brake dust, I don't do this as much as I used to due to other projects, but I done what I could!
    So what was done

    2bm
    Dried
    Detarred
    Clayed
    Washed
    Dried
    Polished
    Waxed
    Washed
    Dried

    Tomorrow I'm going at the engine, exhaust and interior, also I'm thinking of doing a bit of paint correcting, buuuut again, need a da thing

    Anyways the one and only picture which was stuck in the picture thread :o

    2zi4xuq.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭quadrifoglio verde


    Curran wrote: »
    Believe it or not, a Valet will probably make more money than a detailer - line them up and knock them down!

    But dont be fooled; its not exaclty easy work - its physical! But if you can get a decent client base, then you'd get by working as one!
    The struggle is often where to drawn the line; you want to do a good job so customers return, but charge a reasonable price to cover your product cost and time. People often forget product cost and assume money is for time working on the car only. Standard of work has to be reasonable, but for me perosnally, Id never be happy doing a half arsed job and doing a job that would pay 20 mins work, would run into 30 or more and then there's no money in it!

    Having spent a full day doing the mothers merc (what a massive pain that was) I'd agree. It was washed in 10 mins and once dried looked decent.
    it's was the next 8 hours that I spent on it to get it towards 100% (it'd be rare that 100% would be achievable) that I realised how tough detailers have it.

    Must be terribly tricky to convince the general public that they need to spend a 3 figure sum to get their car looking brilliant when a 20 euro wash will make it look decent from not too far away. They'll automatically think you're a rip off merchant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,854 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    Must be terribly tricky to convince the general public that they need to spend a 3 figure sum to get their car looking brilliant when a 20 euro wash will make it look decent from not too far away. They'll automatically think you're a rip off merchant.

    Any chance you might tell this to the general public on behalf of us? :P


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love


    Want to wash the car today and its misty out, havent given it a wash in a few weeks and someone even commented to me that my car is dirty :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭quadrifoglio verde


    Any chance you might tell this to the general public on behalf of us? :P

    Well most don't get why I clean my car every week, could you imagine if I started talking to them about what's involved in properly polishing a car...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love


    thoughts on rubbing a compound mixture into paint to get rid of scratches?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 ✭✭✭Curran


    What exactly do you mean McLove?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love


    The father got a new (used) car and there are scratches on it and he used some compound on it to remove the scratches. Just wondering if anyone had any thoughts on it being a bad idea?


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