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Eircom To Block Users From Connecting To The Pirate Bay

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  • #52
    projectmayhem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,480 ✭✭✭projectmayhem


    The irony is delicious here. There's an eircom ad on this page.

    Their BB is fast, reliable AND real value!

    "live a richer life"


  • #53
    symfonie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4 ✭symfonie


    The "eircom" (Australian Babcock and Brown) that agreed to this deal could not give a toss as by the time September 1st rolls around, they will have sold the company and beat a hastry retreat back to Australia, leaving new "eircom" (Singapore Telecom) to deal with the headache.

    They always knew they were selling up and jumping ship - they would have sold their granny if that was what was needed not to have lawsuits on their books in the run up to the sale. So, yeah, the timing stinks but not for the reason you think.
    smellslikeshoes wrote: »
    Am I the only one who thinks the timing is a little too good that Eircom have agreed to block them with only a few weeks till they go legal? Seems like they just went and threw in the towel since they knew people wouldn't care about pirate bay soon.

    I really dislike internet censorship though and more power to the other isp's who refuse to bend over.


  • #54
    fifth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭fifth


    Get a load of this:

    An anonymous TPB user backed up the site's entire 900,000 file database into a single 21GB torrent file and uploaded it to the website.

    Already, clones of TPB have emerged online, with the possibility of hundreds of TPB-esque sites popping up over time.

    So, this would mean that TPB would never really die and there isn't anything that eircom could do about it? (aside from their 3 strikes rule)


  • #55
    jor el
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,713 ✭✭✭✭jor el


    blubloblu wrote: »
    Eircom don't block any child porn sites. Shows where their priorities lie.

    Name one child porn site... You can't, can you? A CP site wouldn't last long enough for ISPs to block, so that's a pointless argument.


  • #56
    blubloblu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭blubloblu


    jor el wrote: »
    Name one child porn site... You can't, can you? A CP site wouldn't last long enough for ISPs to block, so that's a pointless argument.

    There are sites out there that have around longer than the pirate bay have where child porn is routinely posted. You must be naive to think justice is swiftly delivered in some of the more corrupt countries in the world. So, you're incorrect and my point still stands.


  • #57
    Amalgam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭Amalgam


    Jor el, you never see the sites with illegal 'stuff' because they're blocked further 'upstream' by the likes of BT and a few other companies that supply the pipe to Ireland and various other European countries.

    The list blocks sites in the thousands, if not more, but the content, in the country of origin, can be legal.


  • #58
    Tea_Bag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,983 ✭✭✭Tea_Bag


    anyone having problems connecting to TPB with UPC? it loads a page after like 10 min.
    i tried pinging the IP -t and got "request timed out" for ages. not one single relay...

    DL'ing the index anyway, for a laugh;)


  • #59
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Amalgam wrote: »
    Jor el, you never see the sites with illegal 'stuff' because they're blocked further 'upstream' by the likes of BT and a few other companies that supply the pipe to Ireland and various other European countries.

    The list blocks sites in the thousands, if not more, but the content, in the country of origin, can be legal.

    You know we have links to the US and not everything goes through BT Openreach in the UK?

    Anyway, Jor el has a point I'm sure not everything on such sites is not illegal but much of the content (child porn) obviously would be so the sites are blocked.

    People don't complain about this, however they complain when ISP's want to block the likes of TPB because people view downloading copyright material as "ok". :rolleyes:

    You and me know that TPB contains more copyright material then non-copyright.

    Accordingly an ISP views it as ok to block as its against its TOS which you as a customer agreed to when you subscribed to the ISP's services.

    Its not much different to a college network admin blocking warez sites being accessed on the colleges network, sure such sites may also have some free software but if it also contains warez then its against the TOS for students to access the content and as such they are within their TOS to block it.

    End users can't have it both ways:
    On one side of the argument you think its unfair to have your service terminated for downloading copyright material

    On the other side your unhappy with the blocking of warez material being downloaded from sites.

    ISP's are going to do one or the other and the first one (termination) is something youi agreed to when you signed up to the service.

    Copyright holders are entitled to protect their content if they wish, its not some wild west type of setup were somebody can do what they want with somebody elses work.


  • #60
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    This may be the most pointless Court Order/ Agreement in history of Internet:

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/21/ggf_stock_halted_21_aug/


    Anyway, it's up to rights holders to protect their rights by taking down providers, not digging up the roads.


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  • #61
    devildriver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 874 ✭✭✭devildriver


    mattman wrote: »
    if Eircom block "anything", ill move back to bt.

    What next? block what!

    I dont use pirate bay, in fact i never heard of it till the news.

    Last time i checked it was a free country..

    m.

    It's no longer a free country unfortunately.

    Also moving to BT is not going to solve the problem. BT have offloaded all of their residential customers to Vodafone and their T+Cs explicitly state that you cannot use P2P on their network.


  • #62
    OutlawPete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    devildriver wrote: »
    It's no longer a free country unfortunately.

    Also moving to BT is not going to solve the problem. BT have offloaded all of their residential customers to Vodafone and their T+Cs explicitly state that you cannot use P2P on their network.

    I use Ares and Limewire with BT with no connection issues.


  • #63
    jor el
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,713 ✭✭✭✭jor el


    blubloblu wrote: »
    There are sites out there that have around longer than the pirate bay have where child porn is routinely posted. You must be naive to think justice is swiftly delivered in some of the more corrupt countries in the world. So, you're incorrect and my point still stands.

    I am aware of sites that often have objectionable material posted, these come and go in one form or another, and actual child porn would not last long on them.

    If you're aware of a site that has child porn on it, why not report it to Hotline, or your ISP? How are they to block the sites if they don't know where they are? There has never been a campaign against a website like the one against Pirate Bay. Any such campaign in the media, directed at a child porn site, would likely have that site gone very quickly. But since it doesn't effect the bottom line of big business, it's not going to get worldwide attention like this has.


  • #64
    Orion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    Pirate Bay offline


  • #65
    PacketLife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7 ✭PacketLife


    I haven't read all the posts on this thread.

    I'm all for blocking child porn sites and all sites that promote exploitation of vulnerable people and locking their owners and patrons up in a very dark hole for the rest of their natural lives, but that is not what is happening here.

    Musicians only see a tiny portion of the money from their own music (Sometimes only 20c in the Euro). RIAA, MPIAA, IRMA and by extension Sony, EMI, etc. are going after ISPs to screw end users and sites that do not pay them to protect their lions share of other peoples creative works. The worst part is that governments are supporting them.

    Mark my words. Very soon all ISPs will be issued with a list of sites that they have to block by law or face hefty penalties. These lists will be in part authored bu IRMA, RIAA, etc. I defy anyone to argue that most of them will be child porn or exploitation sites!


  • #66
    ntlbell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,288 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    PacketLife wrote: »
    I haven't read all the posts on this thread.

    I'm all for blocking child porn sites and all sites that promote exploitation of vulnerable people and locking their owners and patrons up in a very dark hole for the rest of their natural lives, but that is not what is happening here.

    Musicians only see a tiny portion of the money from their own music (Sometimes only 20c in the Euro). RIAA, MPIAA, IRMA and by extension Sony, EMI, etc. are going after ISPs to screw end users and sites that do not pay them to protect their lions share of other peoples creative works. The worst part is that governments are supporting them.

    Mark my words. Very soon all ISPs will be issued with a list of sites that they have to block by law or face hefty penalties. These lists will be in part authored bu IRMA, RIAA, etc. I defy anyone to argue that most of them will be child porn or exploitation sites!

    wow, what's the weather like up there.


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  • #67
    jenizzle
    Hosted Moderators Posts: 6,817 ✭✭✭jenizzle


    tbh, I just can't wait for the ingenious ideas people will come up with when this kicks in. Its not a matter of IF people can d/l, it's HOW!


  • #68
    vibe666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    just a tiny ripple in a very big pond at the end of the day. the vulchers will just find something else to feed off. :)

    and it's back up again anyways, so that was short lived.


  • #69
    ntlbell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,288 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    jenizzle wrote: »
    tbh, I just can't wait for the ingenious ideas people will come up with when this kicks in. Its not a matter of IF people can d/l, it's HOW!

    as mentioned all ready

    a simple ssh tunnel will get around anything eircom or any other isp bring in


  • #70
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Actually...

    Even Child Porn, sites selling children or organs, sites with extreme porn, Race hate or selling Biological weapons or medicine that's prescription (to anyone) should NOT EVER be blocked by ISPs*.

    We have existing laws and judicial processes. We don't expect every letter or parcel to be searched (though some things are illegal to mail and some things you pay duty). A better analogy is Roads.

    You don't block the road. You get a warrant and raid the building.

    The duty of Law Enforcement Agencies and Rights Holders or Protection Agencies etc is to get illegal enterprises taken down at source.

    :: It's easy for an ISP to block wrong site.
    :: It's easy for those that want to consume the service to circumvent a block.
    :: It's easy for a dishonest supplier to circumvent a block.
    :: It's too easy for it to be Censorship by the back door against ordinary citizens (providers or consumers).
    :: It's easy to abuse an ISP blocking procedure
    :: An ordinary naive user or retailer inappropriately blocked does not know what to do.

    ... You can think of more reasons why blocking is a lazy answer. Those that have to enforce law, concerned about porn, drugs, prostitution, copyright infringement need to do what they do in the Bricks and Mortar World, track down the source and use process of law to shut it down.


    +1 vote for the Internet as a pipe/road
    -1 to eircom for giving in, even if the specific case in point is pointless one way or the other.


    (* However it's the duty of anyone HOSTING such a site to shut it down)


  • #71
    Orion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    watty wrote: »
    You don't block the road. You get a warrant and raid the building.

    Best analogy ever. I can't agree more with all of your post but this line stood out.
    watty wrote:
    (* However it's the duty of anyone HOSTING such a site to shut it down)
    After due process of course.


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  • #72
    projectmayhem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,480 ✭✭✭projectmayhem


    PacketLife wrote: »
    Mark my words. Very soon all ISPs will be issued with a list of sites that they have to block by law or face hefty penalties. These lists will be in part authored bu IRMA, RIAA, etc. I defy anyone to argue that most of them will be child porn or exploitation sites!

    Here's the thing, though... and it was the argument of BT & UPC regarding their decision to not follow the eejits in Eircom; there is absolutely no legal provision for our ISP's to to be ordered about by IRMA/RIAA (who are, in essence, just unions; not legal bodies).

    What happens if a bunch of people all group together and tell Eircom etc. to block boards.ie for allowing people to post bad natured comments against companies? Should they still block it? Or do we look at that differently, because IMO it's pretty much the same thing.


  • #73
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    projectmayhem wrote: »
    What happens if a bunch of people all group together and tell Eircom etc. to block boards.ie for allowing people to post bad natured comments against companies? Should they still block it? Or do we look at that differently, because IMO it's pretty much the same thing.

    Ah not really now.

    Copyright infringement is illegal end of, if a site "links" to warez and are advised of this they should remove said links....TPB clearly do not do this.

    Boards.ie on the other hand has removed remarks that would leave it open legally in the past but more recently recent legal rulings means that this has been relaxed and as such boards.ie remains within the law.

    Oh and boards.ie will ALWAYS remove links to warez when notified of them.

    In short not the same thing so please don't try to compare them as such.


  • #74
    projectmayhem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,480 ✭✭✭projectmayhem


    Cabaal wrote: »
    Ah not really now.

    Copyright infringement is illegal end of, if a site "links" to warez and are advised of this they should remove said links....TPB clearly do not do this.

    Boards.ie on the other hand has removed remarks that would leave it open legally in the past but more recently recent legal rulings means that this has been relaxed and as such boards.ie remains within the law.

    Oh and boards.ie will ALWAYS remove links to warez when notified of them.

    In short not the same thing so please don't try to compare them as such.

    You're right, they are different, but my point was more along the lines of groups shutting down services rather then addressing them.

    TPB doesn't share anything illegal. It merely facilitates it through the torrenting technology. It's only a tracker. There's plenty of illegal materials there, and a lot of LEGAL materials (torrents have saved me the pain of downloading large game patches from EA etc. so many times). TPB is the same as any torrent tracker like isoHunt etc., the difference is that TPB is the biggest and go out of their way to flout how great they are publicly, which annoys RIAA and MPAA officials.


  • #75
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    projectmayhem wrote: »
    You're right, they are different, but my point was more along the lines of groups shutting down services rather then addressing them.

    TPB doesn't share anything illegal. It merely facilitates it through the torrenting technology. It's only a tracker. There's plenty of illegal materials there, and a lot of LEGAL materials (torrents have saved me the pain of downloading large game patches from EA etc. so many times). TPB is the same as any torrent tracker like isoHunt etc., the difference is that TPB is the biggest and go out of their way to flout how great they are publicly, which annoys RIAA and MPAA officials.

    I never said TPB shares anything illegal I said it "links" to warez content, much the same way as if I uploaded lets say a copy of Photoshop CS to my website cabaal.org and then linked to my site on boards.ie.

    Yes boards.ie does not host the file but boards should remove the link, much the same way as TPB should remove links to warez torrents.

    I'm well aware of the legit uses of Bittorrent that doesn't need to be explained to me :)


  • #76
    z0oT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 740 ✭✭✭z0oT


    I think the main problem with censoring sites is that once it starts Eircom are leaving themselves open to attacks from other people (not just the capitalist scum that is the music industry, I'm a seasoned musician myself btw. ;) ). For instance after the Pirate Bay is blocked, who's to say some religious nutjob or brainless parents wanting their children to remain in ignorance to the human act of reproduction until they're into their forties couldn't stage a campaign to have them censor some site?

    Personally I'm not too worried about them clamping down on p2p myself since I don't ever use it. But censorship is wrong and has been proved time and time again that it doesn't work. Besides if you want torrents all you've to do is google:
    "What you're looking for" +torrent
    So what's a block going to solve? Anyway what comes after this? Demonoid or other popular torrent sites? They'll surely have some gripe with YouTube at some point (after all there's loads of copyrighted stuff on that). And then what? Once this starts there's no ending it IMO. :(

    Oy - I don't know, I'm sick of seeing the kind of tripe that the Entertainment Industry get up to, and I've long vowed never to buy any form or media from them again. Capitalist entities that don't need to exist have no business receiving any of my money. :)


  • #77
    Gerard_Smith
    Registered Users Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭Gerard_Smith


    So presumably the people who use the Piratebay are just the kind of people who know how to use google or a say a proxy? This won't stop a darn thing but its an appalling case of censorship that sets a terrible example.


  • #78
    stesh
    Registered Users Posts: 297 ✭✭stesh


    Eircom has done this because it was compelled to do so by a high court order.


  • #79
    weeder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,469 ✭✭✭weeder


    tracker.thepiratebay.org is offline to me (timing out) could we have the block in place already?


  • #80
    ElNino
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭ElNino


    stesh wrote: »
    Eircom has done this because it was compelled to do so by a high court order.

    That is totally incorrect. It was an out of court settlement and they could (and should) have refused to do so like most other ISPs in Ireland.


  • #81
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    stesh wrote: »
    Eircom has done this because it was compelled to do so by a high court order.

    As outlined by other boards.ie users this is factually incorrect as they were not ordered to do so by the high court


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  • #82
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    I'm not too worried about TPB going under. I've been using torrents since before they were used for music and holes have been blown in the network plenty of times before. When Suprnova went under it took about a month for everything to get back up and running again, and even in that time nothing stopped.

    TBH I'm surprised how long torrents have been allowed to keep going. I know they're not illegal themselves etc. but I'd've expected more sites to be have been shut down by now.


  • #83
    vibe666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    the internet is global. no one company or law enforcement agency can do anything on a global scale (yet) to do anything effectively to combat piracy via bittorrent.

    as long as there are countries out there who are willing to host torrent sites, torrenting will live on. by it's very nature the whole thing is decentralaised anyway, so how do they plan on stopping it?

    shut down a torrent site and it will either pop up somewhere else (as TPB has already done) or others will move in to replace it (as with suprnova) and the whole thing will continue on until someone figures out how to cripple the whole thing totally, at which point someone will come up with a new more secure/safer way of doing things (the same way torrents were born into the mainstream after kazaa etc. went pear shaped) or go back to an old favourite (newsgroups, ftp etc.).

    i'm fairly sure that i read that someone was actually working on decentralising torrent trackers and websites too, so that would make the whole thing totally viral (and pretty much unstoppable). :)


  • #84
    Eoinsheehy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 54 ✭✭Eoinsheehy


    I'm curious will using a proxy let you use TPB


  • #85
    Gerard_Smith
    Registered Users Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭Gerard_Smith


    Here is a question lady's and gents out of all the broadband providers in Ireland which one would you switch to in protest to this?


  • #86
    vibe666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    personally, UPC if i had the choice, but as a UPC customer now i might be biased. :)


  • #87
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Eoinsheehy wrote: »
    I'm curious will using a proxy let you use TPB

    Proxies and VPNs let people in China, Burma etc access whatever they want and post whatever they like. Hence the Chinese wanting all young peoples's PCs loaded with the Green Dam "key logger" and "site blocker" that sends what the user is doing to the "party".


  • #88
    Spudzz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭Spudzz


    Gerard_Smith wrote: »
    Here is a question lady's and gents out of all the broadband providers in Ireland which one would you switch to in protest to this?
    I have been with Smart for the last few years,and have found them very good overall.:)


  • #89
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Not the point.

    I'd never use TPB, I'm totally agaist filesharing of copyright content, helping people to infrige copyright etc. I think TPB should be taken down by Court order after a trial. I went and looked at it and it's obvious it's there to assist in copyright infringement. The clue is also in the name :)

    But I'm totally against eircom (or anyone) blocking it or any other site.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=61783466&postcount=70


  • #90
    PacketLife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7 ✭PacketLife


    ntlbell wrote: »
    wow, what's the weather like up there.

    Meaning?
    ntlbell wrote: »
    as mentioned all ready

    a simple ssh tunnel will get around anything eircom or any other isp bring in

    Not true. Many companies that supply large ISPs with IP traffic shaping technology are now looking into ways to locate encrypted traffic and they are making some progress.

    Excellent points, well made Watty!
    projectmayhem wrote: »
    Here's the thing, though... and it was the argument of BT & UPC regarding their decision to not follow the eejits in Eircom; there is absolutely no legal provision for our ISP's to to be ordered about by IRMA/RIAA (who are, in essence, just unions; not legal bodies).

    What happens if a bunch of people all group together and tell Eircom etc. to block boards.ie for allowing people to post bad natured comments against companies? Should they still block it? Or do we look at that differently, because IMO it's pretty much the same thing.

    You are right and in a way wrong projectmayhem (Although I wish you were simply right). Theses bodies are not legal groups, but they do have access to legal groups and companies that invest in countries so governments take notice and back them up. It is these government agencies that pose the threat to net neutrality and freedom of speech.

    Sadly, the day that will permit just a few negatively motivated groups or individuals to take down sites such as boards.ie are all too fast approaching. Whilst mass action is pretty much the only solution I can see, it won't make any difference if it's just by residential users while businesses are paying ridiculous premiums for the same services.
    vibe666 wrote: »
    the internet is global. no one company or law enforcement agency can do anything on a global scale (yet) to do anything effectively to combat piracy via bittorrent.

    as long as there are countries out there who are willing to host torrent sites, torrenting will live on. by it's very nature the whole thing is decentralaised anyway, so how do they plan on stopping it?

    shut down a torrent site and it will either pop up somewhere else (as TPB has already done) or others will move in to replace it (as with suprnova) and the whole thing will continue on until someone figures out how to cripple the whole thing totally, at which point someone will come up with a new more secure/safer way of doing things (the same way torrents were born into the mainstream after kazaa etc. went pear shaped) or go back to an old favourite (newsgroups, ftp etc.).

    i'm fairly sure that i read that someone was actually working on decentralising torrent trackers and websites too, so that would make the whole thing totally viral (and pretty much unstoppable). :)

    Ahh, if only this were true. Truth is that the internet basically runs through just a handful of big 'tier 1' service providers such as cable and wireless (Companies such as Eircom & BT are tiny in comparison and in some cases use their cables). If the big 'rights' holders can get to them, it does not bode well for us residential users.
    Gerard_Smith wrote: »
    Here is a question lady's and gents out of all the broadband providers in Ireland which one would you switch to in protest to this?

    It's really an irrelevant question. Soon ALL ISPs will be forced to comply with the wishes of big business. While we would like to think we have control over our own island there is really very little we can do about this global issue.
    watty wrote: »
    Proxies and VPNs let people in China, Burma etc access whatever they want and post whatever they like. Hence the Chinese wanting all young peoples's PCs loaded with the Green Dam "key logger" and "site blocker" that sends what the user is doing to the "party".

    Up to now I've agreed with everything that I have read that you have said, but OMG you couldn't have picked a worse example!

    China is one of the very worst offenders for censorship: FACT!


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  • #91
    Eoinsheehy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 54 ✭✭Eoinsheehy


    Proxies and VPNs let people in China, Burma etc access whatever they want and post whatever they like. Hence the Chinese wanting all young peoples's PCs loaded with the Green Dam "key logger" and "site blocker" that sends what the user is doing to the "party".
    that still hasnt answered my Question if i a Proxy one will i be able to access TPB for the remaining time it is free without Eircom knowing


  • #92
    Eoinsheehy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 54 ✭✭Eoinsheehy


    Ranicand wrote: »
    Once they start blocking sites things will get worse fast.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/Internet_blackholes.svg

    Blue No censorship
    Yellow Some censorship
    Red Under surveillance
    Black Internet black holes (most heavily censored nations)


    We are already yellow.


    Internet_blackholes.svg


    F**k it that settles it I'm moving to the aisle of man


  • #93
    PacketLife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7 ✭PacketLife


    Eoinsheehy wrote: »
    that still hasnt answered my Question if i a Proxy one will i be able to access TPB for the remaining time it is free without Eircom knowing

    If you use a proxy served by an ISP that hasn't blocked TPB and TPB is up and functional then yes.


  • #94
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    PacketLife wrote: »
    Up to now I've agreed with everything that I have read that you have said, but OMG you couldn't have picked a worse example!

    China is one of the very worst offenders for censorship: FACT!

    I think you missed the point. People there CAN access anything due to Proxies & VPNs outside China. These can even be on private home PCs.


  • #95
    KAGY
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭KAGY


    weeder wrote: »
    tracker.thepiratebay.org is offline to me (timing out) could we have the block in place already?

    Maybe, I'm the same, and other trackers are working. Can't ping the IP address from OpenDNS either.

    I'd be interested to know how they can block this tracker if I'm bypassing their DNS server.

    edit - I just read above - they can drop packets from any ip address.


  • #96
    Gerard_Smith
    Registered Users Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭Gerard_Smith


    vibe666 wrote: »
    personally, UPC if i had the choice, but as a UPC customer now i might be biased. :)

    Don't UPC throttle torrents?


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  • #97
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Use http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/

    TBP have been intermittent the last while as suppliers cut them off.
    It's not just you! http://tracker.thepiratebay.org looks down from here.

    Check another site?

    That web site checking service is not blocked. But it only works I think for Web sites.
    It's just you. http://www.thepiratebay.org is up.

    Check another site?


  • #98
    Hellrazer
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    Well only about 15 hours to go before we know if and how its going to be totally blocked.

    Watty I agree 100% with your statement and posted something similar myself earlier in this thread.
    Personally Ill be leaving Eircom if they implement this not because I use Piratebay but because Im not letting an ISP tell me what I can or cant look at on the internet.


    Ill be sticking to my guns on this because I can just imagine what will come next.In theory Eircom could block anything that a person or company requests.I mean Fianna Fail might ask for the Politics section of boards.ie to be blocked after the next hammering they `ll get ;)


  • #99
    rg2007
    Registered Users Posts: 142 ✭✭rg2007


    in light of the recent pirate bay downfall i thought we should say a prayer for all the leechers out there.

    Our Ripper, who art on mininova, aXXo be thy name.
    Thy torrents come. Seeding will be done, Here as it was on supernova.
    Give us this day our latest rips.
    And forgive us our leeching, As we forgive those that leech from us.
    And lead us not on to private trackers;
    But deliver us from our ISP: For thine is the ripping, the seeding, and the glory, For ever and ever.

    Amen…


  • #100
    Eoinsheehy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 54 ✭✭Eoinsheehy


    PacketLife wrote: »
    If you use a proxy served by an ISP that hasn't blocked TPB and TPB is up and functional then yes.
    Thank you very much for clearing that up for me.


  • #101
    vibe666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    Gerard_Smith wrote: »
    Don't UPC throttle torrents?
    nope. well IMHO at least.

    not for me anyway.

    I'm a heavy internet user and a very heavy torrenter (downloading and uploading a total of over 200gb consistently every month on the 20mbps UPC package) and I can say that definitely 100% without any shadow of a doubt that I'm not being throttled in any way shape or form.

    not to say i haven't experienced speed issues at peak times occasionally, but it seems like it's just been contention, not throttling or shaping of my torrent traffic. if you check the sticky p2p thread (page 53 iirc) you'll see that I downloaded a single torrent of an opensolaris CD ISO in less than 10 minutes via torrent at around 10:30pm in the evening.

    that wouldn't have been possible if they were throttling torrent traffic. imho, people are mistaking contention at busy times for throttling because they are using crappy public trackers with poor seed/leech ratios and poorly configured torrent clients.


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