Crystal Meth and Ireland

Emeraldy Pebbles · 20-10-2012 1:46am

Augmerson wrote: »

Morphine, which is a form of Heroin at the end of the day, has a medical use. So does Meth. As you said yourself, Desoxyn is a prescription drug, which has low doses (5 mg) of methamphetamine hydrochloride. It's used to treat depression and ADD but it is not regularly prescribed I hear due to it's adverse effects. It's used for people who seem "resistant" to other prescribed forms of combating depression and ADD.

It's still pretty bad for you.

Yeah, it comes with VERY heavy warnings.

tdv123 · 20-10-2012 2:01am

Deleted User wrote: »

It is intensely addictive.

That fact has been stated several times already in this thread.

nadey · 20-10-2012 4:42am

[QUOTE=ScumLord;81331437
I've never once been offer heroin by a dealer or even known a dealer that sells it.[/QUOTE]

you obviously dont live in dublin. brown is sold on practically every estate and on many streets in the city centre

areyawell · 20-10-2012 4:53am

meth is very easy to make and produce and can be made with many cold and cough tablets containing Pseudoephedrine along with other ingredients commonly found in hardware stores and other places. It wont be long till drug dealers figures this out and start cooking there own meth. It will start off at a very high price because wont be heavily available as other drugs. Hmm if Walter White can do it so can I. Anyone selling a camper van?

dj jarvis · 20-10-2012 8:12am

BillyMitchel wrote: »

It's already started it certain parts of Dublin. Not much but it's here. If it catches it will certain places will become zombie towns.

that is just not true , most meth found in Ireland has been in the west , two small labs were found in Kerry recently , eastern Europeans cooking and selling

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0917/pharmacists-on-alert-over-sale-of-cold-medicines.html

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/three-seizures-in-kerry-over-past-year-3233166.html

so are kerry people all junkie scum now like everyone thinks dubs are ?

dublin is not the only place that has drugs - but this being AH, you would think it was Sodom

dj jarvis · 20-10-2012 8:16am

nadey wrote: »

you obviously dont live in dublin. brown is sold on practically every estate and on many streets in the city centre

no its not you utter fool - have you ever been to dublin ?you really need to get out more and cop the f2ck on

idiotic post - stick to graffiti in toilets with a ****ty finger - that is the level your last post is at :eek:

Banned

mattjack · 20-10-2012 8:52am

nadey wrote: »

you obviously dont live in dublin. brown is sold on practically every estate and on many streets in the city centre

I love when you post.

nadey · 20-10-2012 9:08am

dj jarvis wrote: »

no its not you utter fool - have you ever been to dublin ?you really need to get out more and cop the f2ck on

idiotic post - stick to graffiti in toilets with a ****ty finger - that is the level your last post is at :eek:

You're obviously the fool who needs to get out more. In every estate I've lived on in coolock ballymun tallaght ballyer and blanch there's been heroin dealers and there is a few streets like talbot ,marlbro ,Tara street etc and around all the inner city flat complexes, heroin dealing is rampant. So get yer facts straight ye dope ye and stay inside your bubble in foxrock or wherever the hell idiots like you reside

omahaid · 20-10-2012 10:27am

Crystal meth has nothing on Nurofen Plus with Guinness, that stuff makes you do all sorts, especially on Aer Lingus flights.

Rezident · 20-10-2012 2:57pm

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Stephen Ireland is taking crystal meth? :eek:

Explains a lot actually.

Yakult · 20-10-2012 3:15pm

Not even once...

msg11 · 20-10-2012 4:00pm

Yakult wrote: »

Not even once...

I cannot compute what is going on in that photo, did someone try and open a bottle with there arse?

anhedonia · 20-10-2012 4:22pm

Jesus, its not that bad. Smoked it on a few ocassions and didnt see what the big deal was.
You do realize that the people they put in those documentaries and before/after pictures are extreme cases who've been gak'd out of it non-stop for months on end.
Psychosis will occur from any stimulant due to sleep deprivation if you hammer it non-stop.

Methamphetamine is prescribed in the US for obesity, ADHD and off-label for narcolepsy, brand name Desoxyn.
Meth is not even a schedule 1 drug in the US, but schedule 2. It is definitely not the most dangerous drug in the world.
Its no worse or better than any other strong stimulant, you could get just as spun out by abusing Ritalin or Adderall every day for months on end.

The amount of hysteria towards meth is comical.

Andy-Pandy · 20-10-2012 7:01pm

anhedonia wrote: »

Jesus, its not that bad. Smoked it on a few ocassions and didnt see what the big deal was.
You do realize that the people they put in those documentaries and before/after pictures are extreme cases who've been gak'd out of it non-stop for months on end.
Psychosis will occur from any stimulant due to sleep deprivation if you hammer it non-stop.

Methamphetamine is prescribed in the US for obesity, ADHD and off-label for narcolepsy, brand name Desoxyn.
Meth is not even a schedule 1 drug in the US, but schedule 2. It is definitely not the most dangerous drug in the world.
Its no worse or better than any other strong stimulant, you could get just as spun out by abusing Ritalin or Adderall every day for months on end.

The amount of hysteria towards meth is comical.

See the thing is, I dont believe its unfounded. Anyone that I know that has done it in the States or in Asia has ended up with a problem with it. Ranging from nasty to damn near life destroying, i've heard some absolute horror stories from people who are in general very normal, sensible, middle class people. In all the cases the only option was to leave and come home to Ireland. Its very easy for you to say it's exaggerated, but its not available to you, so you can have gone on holiday, done it, and then come home and not have the option to do it again. It makes forming a habit difficult.

Augmerson · 20-10-2012 7:07pm

anhedonia wrote: »

Jesus, its not that bad. Smoked it on a few ocassions and didnt see what the big deal was.
You do realize that the people they put in those documentaries and before/after pictures are extreme cases who've been gak'd out of it non-stop for months on end.
Psychosis will occur from any stimulant due to sleep deprivation if you hammer it non-stop.

Methamphetamine is prescribed in the US for obesity, ADHD and off-label for narcolepsy, brand name Desoxyn.
Meth is not even a schedule 1 drug in the US, but schedule 2. It is definitely not the most dangerous drug in the world.
Its no worse or better than any other strong stimulant, you could get just as spun out by abusing Ritalin or Adderall every day for months on end.

The amount of hysteria towards meth is comical.

The US Controlled Substances Act is more of a political machination than a realistic estimate of which drugs are most dangerous. Look at Schedule 1 - Weed is in there. Schedule 2 has Morphine, Coke and PCP. Now PCP, if ever there was a drug that belonged in Schedule 1, that was it.

Try Meth for a week and come back to us with your findings Anhedonia.

Spunge · 20-10-2012 8:21pm

Augmerson wrote: »

Try Meth for a week and come back to us with your findings Anhedonia.

Some people arent stupid enough to do it for a week straight

anhedonia · 20-10-2012 8:30pm

Spunge wrote: »

Some people arent stupid enough to do it for a week straight

Indeed, when the translucent shadow-people come out to play, its time to go to bed.

Augmerson · 20-10-2012 8:34pm

Spunge wrote: »

Some people arent stupid enough to do it for a week straight

Why man? It's all hysteria surrounding Meth. It's good and it's good for you!

anhedonia · 20-10-2012 8:46pm

Augmerson wrote: »

Why man? It's all hysteria surrounding Meth. It's good and it's good for you!

Just to be clear, I was by no means advocating meth use, obviously it can **** you up if abused, I was just making the point that its no worse or better than other stimulants, yet the amount of hysteria towards meth is disproportionate and amounts to typical media scaremongering.

Personally I didnt even find it that moreish, it was nice, but decent mdma blows it out of the water. I accept that doing it while travelling doesnt have the same addiction potential given the circumstances. But the people who lose the plot on meth most likely have underlying issues and would use other drugs daily to escape in the absence of meth. Its the mindset more than the substance.

Augmerson · 20-10-2012 9:24pm

anhedonia wrote: »

Just to be clear, I was by no means advocating meth use, obviously it can **** you up if abused, I was just making the point that its no worse or better than other stimulants, yet the amount of hysteria towards meth is disproportionate and amounts to typical media scaremongering.

What?! The Media would never indulge in scaremongering! Take that back Mister!

Personally I didnt even find it that moreish, it was nice, but decent mdma blows it out of the water. I accept that doing it while travelling doesnt have the same addiction potential given the circumstances. But the people who lose the plot on meth most likely have underlying issues and would use other drugs daily to escape in the absence of meth. Its the mindset more than the substance.

Your description of Meth use is something others have reported too. I read this article on Wired.com where a guy said that taking Meth just made him really focused but I have also read others where people have said the high they got was incredible, more intense and euphoric than anything....but that was probably in a higher dose. It would certainly beat MDMA hands down. I haven't tried Meth but from what I've read about it so far, it's really well up there for a kick, we're talking Champions League kicks.

They did use to give Methamphetamines to soldiers and airmen during WWII. Apparently Hitler took them, which might have eventually led to him having Parkinson's (or Parkinson's like symptoms). It does increase concentration and help fights fatigue but it is very addictive.

Oregano_State · 20-10-2012 9:27pm

anhedonia wrote: »

Just to be clear, I was by no means advocating meth use, obviously it can **** you up if abused, I was just making the point that its no worse or better than other stimulants, yet the amount of hysteria towards meth is disproportionate and amounts to typical media scaremongering.

Personally I didnt even find it that moreish, it was nice, but decent mdma blows it out of the water. I accept that doing it while travelling doesnt have the same addiction potential given the circumstances. But the people who lose the plot on meth most likely have underlying issues and would use other drugs daily to escape in the absence of meth. Its the mindset more than the substance.

Methamphetamine is very often really impure, due to the shítty reagents used in making it. I wouldn't go near it. That's not to say other drugs are pure, just that meth is waaay bad.

Zer0 · 20-10-2012 11:55pm

I wouldn't touch it but there was a major find of it in Tralee a few months ago. It was actually a meth lab tbh, splashed across the front page of the local newspapers etc.. I dunno if it'd take off in Ireland but you never know. Heroin wasn't really a huge thing in Ireland until the late 70's early 80's when it was being pushed in areas and during that time Ireland was also under a major economic downturn.

But to be honest unless it's imported I don't understand why it'd take off because I doubt there'd be meth labs bar the rare odd one found. But I think that there's no point in getting paro about an ecodemic of such a drug because if it's going to happpen then it's going to happen.. Drugs will always be around in our society rather it be new ones or old staple ones. I don't think it matters which drug gets introduced these days, I think it's more upto the user and which type of high they want to chase or whatever's cheaper..?

I don't really care what happens because I don't use drugs. So if I passed a smack head or a crack head in the street off their box, I'd probably think well, that's nice you're off your head and having a nice time... Once you don't try to rob me, beg for money or start any hassle then I don't care.

falan · 21-10-2012 9:54am

dj jarvis wrote: »

no its not you utter fool - have you ever been to dublin ?you really need to get out more and cop the f2ck on

idiotic post - stick to graffiti in toilets with a ****ty finger - that is the level your last post is at :eek:

Banned

Thinly veiled, I love Dublin...

Yakult · 21-10-2012 10:22am

msg11 wrote: »

I cannot compute what is going on in that photo, did someone try and open a bottle with there arse?

Possibly

klose · 21-10-2012 11:02am

woodoo wrote: »

I think you should just go straight to krokodil falan

Whhhyyyyyy did I search google images for krokodil! Those images can't be real :eek:

--Kaiser-- · 21-10-2012 7:41pm

Andy-Pandy wrote: »

It's a known side affect. Mixture of the chemical's and the fact user's become lethargic and dont brush their teeth.

shoos wrote: »

It's one of the big tell tale signs, they call it "meth mouth".

Partly due to the ingredients and method of use, like it's incredibly acidic absolutely full to the brim of chemicals and often they'll rub in into their gums as they're taking it in a different form too. Just to get that quicker high.

Both of these are wrong. Tooth loss is due to combination of bruxism (involuntary jaw clenching) and dry mouth induced by crystal meth use. The bruxism causes tooth fractures and the lack of saliva prevents the body from re-mineralising the teeth

mattjack · 21-10-2012 7:50pm

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Both of these are wrong. Tooth loss is due to combination of bruxism (involuntary jaw clenching) and dry mouth induced by crystal meth use. The bruxism causes tooth fractures and the lack of saliva prevents the body from re-mineralising the teeth

Some of the ingredients of meth are acidic causing dental decay,a lot of heavy users experience cravings for sugary foods too .

Intensive Care Bear · 21-10-2012 7:56pm

I can't see there been a big meth problem in Ireland anytime soon, the extremely negative press combined with the availability of other drugs should keep it a niche market. I know lots of people who have tried it, none of them went on to do it more than once or twice.

eireannBEAR · 21-04-2013 7:09pm

ireland has an abundance of crack but that has not really taking off either,i think the reason is down to the grade of heroin in ireland,we get afghan heroin that people can smoke to get high where as americans get the far inferior south american black tar heroin which mostly has to be injected

pharmaton · 21-04-2013 7:31pm

Drug use is virtually epidemic in Ireland, it won't be long before it becomes a cheap alternative. 20 years ago when hash was the drug of choice there were clear boundaries of what was or not "ok" to use. While a few dabbled in speed or coke at moderate levels it wasn't until the advent of the head shops that people really started eating whatever was just available, with dire consequences. Heroin is everywhere now and the boundaries between what is an "acceptable" drug of choice and skank are non existent. They will just take what's readily available.

21-04-2013 8:04pm

pharmaton wrote: »

Drug use is virtually epidemic in Ireland, it won't be long before it becomes a cheap alternative. 20 years ago when hash was the drug of choice there were clear boundaries of what was or not "ok" to use. While a few dabbled in speed or coke at moderate levels it wasn't until the advent of the head shops that people really started eating whatever was just available, with dire consequences. Heroin is everywhere now and the boundaries between what is an "acceptable" drug of choice and skank are non existent. They will just take what's readily available.

Lolwut?

pharmaton · 21-04-2013 8:09pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Lolwut?

sorry, must have hit a nerve.

dirtyden · 21-04-2013 8:44pm

pharmaton wrote: »

Drug use is virtually epidemic in Ireland, it won't be long before it becomes a cheap alternative. 20 years ago when hash was the drug of choice there were clear boundaries of what was or not "ok" to use. While a few dabbled in speed or coke at moderate levels it wasn't until the advent of the head shops that people really started eating whatever was just available, with dire consequences. Heroin is everywhere now and the boundaries between what is an "acceptable" drug of choice and skank are non existent. They will just take what's readily available.

What is this post about?

What will be a cheap alternative to what? So is hash not the illegal drug of choice now? It is news to me and most of the rest of the world if it is not? If it is not the drug of choice then what is? What do you even mean by drug of choice?

belcampprisoner · 21-04-2013 8:48pm

heroin is a gateway drug

pharmaton · 21-04-2013 8:59pm

dirtyden wrote: »

What is this post about?

What will be a cheap alternative to what? So is hash not the illegal drug of choice now? It is news to me and most of the rest of the world if it is not? If it is not the drug of choice then what is? What do you even mean by drug of choice?

Cannabis is still the drug of choice albeit as weed rather than resin, as in the one most commonly preferred by drug users as a whole. Meth if it became widely available might well be used a cheap alternative to other polydrug combinations (alcohol/coke/benzodiazepines/opioids)

fwiw my work brings me into close quarters with heroin addicts and drug users on a daily basis, if people really knew the extent of the amount of heroin addicts in their midst they would probably be just as concerned. I take it my post has offended the cannabis smokers of after hours who don't wish to see their drug of choice being spoken about in the same context as meth or heroin.

mattjack · 21-04-2013 9:15pm

pharmaton wrote: »

Cannabis is still the drug of choice albeit as weed rather than resin, as in the one most commonly preferred by drug users as a whole. Meth if it became widely available might well be used a cheap alternative to other polydrug combinations (alcohol/coke/benzodiazepines/opioids)

fwiw my work brings me into close quarters with heroin addicts and drug users on a daily basis, if people really knew the extent of the amount of heroin addicts in their midst they would probably be just as concerned. I take it my post has offended the cannabis smokers of after hours who don't wish to see their drug of choice being spoken about in the same context as meth or heroin.

What do you work at ?

Montroseee · 21-04-2013 9:17pm

mattjack wrote: »

What do you work at ?

Pharmacist.

Odysseus · 21-04-2013 9:22pm

pharmaton wrote: »

Cannabis is still the drug of choice albeit as weed rather than resin, as in the one most commonly preferred by drug users as a whole. Meth if it became widely available might well be used a cheap alternative to other polydrug combinations (alcohol/coke/benzodiazepines/opioids)

fwiw my work brings me into close quarters with heroin addicts and drug users on a daily basis, if people really knew the extent of the amount of heroin addicts in their midst they would probably be just as concerned. I take it my post has offended the cannabis smokers of after hours who don't wish to see their drug of choice being spoken about in the same context as meth or heroin.

I do myself but I'm not seeing anything to suggest an increase in use or an opening in the market with heroin/opiate users; are you?

pharmaton · 21-04-2013 9:22pm

mattjack wrote: »

What do you work at ?

thats confidential, never the less I can assure you I'm not remotely interested about weed or its users..

mattjack · 21-04-2013 9:25pm

pharmaton wrote: »

thats confidential, never the less I can assure you I'm not remotely interested about weed or its users..

Are you Batman ? I work every day with heroin addicts myself too.

returnNull · 21-04-2013 9:26pm

pharmaton wrote: »

20 years ago when hash was the drug of choice there were clear boundaries of what was or not "ok" to use. While a few dabbled in speed or coke at moderate levels it wasn't until the advent of the head shops that people really started eating whatever was just available, with dire consequences.

thats a crock of sh1te. The advent of headshops lol.Only a few dabbled in speed or coke?Really?You're clueless

pharmaton · 21-04-2013 9:28pm

Odysseus wrote: »

I do myself but I'm not seeing anything to suggest an increase in use or an opening in the market with heroin/opiate users; are you?

I do! I only started working in the area over the last 12 months and quite honestly it was shocking to me. I grew up in the nineties and knew what people were using then, I wasn't removed from having a smoke myself which is why I find it so surprising. I'm also aware that perhaps this problem is just localised but as it's somewhere I'm familiar with it's still no less shocking/
http://www.hrb.ie/health-information-in-house-research/alcohol-drugs/adru-news/adru-press-release-story/release/152/

The average annual incidence of treated drug use per 100,000 among 15–64-year-olds was highest in the South East Regional Drugs Task Force (RDTF) area, followed by the North Dublin and the Southern RDTF areas.

pharmaton · 21-04-2013 9:29pm

returnNull wrote: »

thats a crock of sh1te. The advent of headshops lol.Only a few dabbled in speed or coke?Really?You're clueless

I'd take your post seriously if I thought you were interested in a genuine response. I have know several people personally who were hospitalised after taking head shop merch. This just didn't happen 20 years ago.

Odysseus · 21-04-2013 9:32pm

pharmaton wrote: »

I do! I only started working in the area over the last 12 months and quite honestly it was shocking to me. I grew up in the nineties and knew what people were using then, I wasn't removed from having a smoke myself which is why I find it so surprising. I'm also aware that perhaps this problem is just localised but as it's somewhere I'm familiar with it's still no less shocking/
http://www.hrb.ie/health-information-in-house-research/alcohol-drugs/adru-news/adru-press-release-story/release/152/

Sorry are you just talking about an increase in use and those seeking treatment for drug use in general, or an increse in meth use which is what your post seem to be implying.

Exactly what are you shocked at?

pharmaton · 21-04-2013 9:34pm

Odysseus wrote: »

Sorry are you just talking about an increase in use and those seeking treatment for drug use in general, or an increse in meth use which is what your post seem to be implying.

Exactly what are you shocked at?

Obviously those seeking treatment in greater numbers highlights the the level of use which I can honestly admit to being completely unaware of prior to this and it's a level which I find shocking. More than that, it's the type of people who are there for treatment, people you would never expect to see using heroin and often quite young too.

Odysseus · 21-04-2013 9:37pm

pharmaton wrote: »

I'd take your post seriously if I thought you were interested in a genuine response. I have know several people personally who were hospitalised after taking head shop merch. This just didn't happen 20 years ago.

Are you of the type of Opiod use that was occuring in Dublin as early as the 70, 80? We where the first country to report the abuse of Diconal in the 70s. The was a serious drug problem in certain parts of Dublin in those times. Though theonly treatment was either through Jervis St or youthe person was luckly to find a suitable GP who where viewed as pushers by the media.

The head shop certainly made certain substances easy to access, but we have always had a very interesting and hidden relationship with drugs in this country.

dirtyden · 21-04-2013 9:41pm

pharmaton wrote: »

Cannabis is still the drug of choice albeit as weed rather than resin, as in the one most commonly preferred by drug users as a whole. Meth if it became widely available might well be used a cheap alternative to other polydrug combinations (alcohol/coke/benzodiazepines/opioids)

fwiw my work brings me into close quarters with heroin addicts and drug users on a daily basis, if people really knew the extent of the amount of heroin addicts in their midst they would probably be just as concerned. I take it my post has offended the cannabis smokers of after hours who don't wish to see their drug of choice being spoken about in the same context as meth or heroin.

From your earlier post it seemed to indicate to me that you thought crystal meth was about to become the illegal drug of choice in Ireland, which to me was an extraodinary assumption to make. Almost as if you had been watching too much breaking bad.

I am really not sure where you are going with your comment on the cannabis smokers on after hours. Your post was sensationalist and that was why I asked a few questions of it. Again highlighting your comment in bold are there really that many heroin addicts in my midst? I am in Cork city I cant really say it is something I observe on a a daily basis. I am sure there are problems in sme areas but epidemic again I would say sensationalist.

returnNull · 21-04-2013 9:43pm

pharmaton wrote: »

This just didn't happen 20 years ago.

Yes it did.

pharmaton · 21-04-2013 9:43pm

returnNull wrote: »

Yes it did.

If it did it didn't happen to anyone I know or grew up with.

pharmaton · 21-04-2013 9:45pm

dirtyden wrote: »

From your earlier post it seemed to indicate to me that you thought crystal meth was about to become the illegal drug of choice in Ireland, which to me was an extraodinary assumption to make. Almost as if you had been watching too much breaking bad.

I am really not sure where you are going with your comment on the cannabis smokers on after hours. Your post was sensationalist and that was why I asked a few questions of it. Again highlighting your comment in bold are there really that many heroin addicts in my midst? I am in Cork city I cant really say it is something I observe on a a daily basis. I am sure there are problems in sme areas but epidemic again I would say sensationalist.

I can't convince you otherwise and I'll gladly leave it at that.

Crystal Meth and Ireland

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