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How are bus diversions agreed

  • 03-02-2014 9:23am
    #1
    Fratton Fred
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    Ok, it's a local issue, but with roadworks on Breffni Road in Sandycove/Dalkey, buses are being diverted miles away, when the obvious thing is to run them along Elton Park road.

    Why do Dublin Bus insist on going all the way up to Glenageary Road?

    Sandycove and Glasthule has no bus service yet again.


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  • #2
    Alun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,487 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    Just looking at Elton Park Road on Streetview there, not that wide and lots of overhanging trees.

    https://www.google.com/maps/preview/@53.284412,-6.115575,3a,90y,280.56h,84.51t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sjEOKfr3W7SNkzNXRQS5L5A!2e0

    Could be the reason.


  • #3
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Alun wrote: »
    Just looking at Elton Park Road on Streetview there, not that wide and lots of overhanging trees.

    https://www.google.com/maps/preview/@53.284412,-6.115575,3a,90y,280.56h,84.51t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sjEOKfr3W7SNkzNXRQS5L5A!2e0

    Could be the reason.

    It's wider than half the roads the 59 go as along, especially Barnhill Road. It also runs up to Killiney village.

    It just seems like lazy planning by Dublin Bus.


  • #4
    GTE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭GTE


    It is probably as simple as that tree in the link that was provided. Locals would not be best pleased getting a chuck of the tree taken out just for a temp diversion.


  • #5
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,919 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    bbk wrote: »
    It is probably as simple as that tree in the link that was provided. Locals would not be best pleased getting a chuck of the tree taken out just for a temp diversion.

    Exactly - you could not operate double deck buses on that road for that reason, without cutting back all of the low hanging trees.

    Otherwise you'd end up with double deck buses with chunks taken out of them.


  • #6
    cdebru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭cdebru


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    It's wider than half the roads the 59 go as along, especially Barnhill Road. It also runs up to Killiney village.

    It just seems like lazy planning by Dublin Bus.

    Yeah just laziness nothing to do with the low hanging trees it's not like a tree could damage a bus or anything.....


    http://darraghdoyle.blogspot.ie/2009/02/roof-ripped-off-dublin-bus-photos-from.html


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  • #7
    GTE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭GTE


    cdebru wrote: »
    Yeah just laziness nothing to do with the low hanging trees it's not like a tree could damage a bus or anything.....


    http://darraghdoyle.blogspot.ie/2009/02/roof-ripped-off-dublin-bus-photos-from.html

    It always surprised me how the roof slid off like that. I read (here) that it is some design element of double deckers which seems odd, quite odd.


  • #8
    Carawaystick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Ok, it's a local issue, but with roadworks on Breffni Road in Sandycove/Dalkey, buses are being diverted miles away, when the obvious thing is to run them along Elton Park road.

    Why do Dublin Bus insist on going all the way up to Glenageary Road?

    Sandycove and Glasthule has no bus service yet again.

    You could make AIE requests to Dublin Bus and the NTA and the local authority.
    and then quote bullsh1te reasons used.....


  • #9
    dfx-
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    bbk wrote: »
    It always surprised me how the roof slid off like that. I read (here) that it is some design element of double deckers which seems odd, quite odd.

    How much damage was caused by the tree and was the rest cut off by the fire brigade? Surely the whole thing didn't slide off

    AV167 (I think, maybe AV168?) that lost its roof on the 19 when it was almost new in an argument with a low bridge is the only other example of AVs to lose its head completely that I've seen.


  • #10
    Conway635
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭Conway635


    dfx- wrote: »
    How much damage was caused by the tree and was the rest cut off by the fire brigade? Surely the whole thing didn't slide off
    .

    The entire roof did come off.

    A similar model bus in London (i.e ALX400 body) lost an entire roof after clipping a tree in almost identical circumstances a few years earlier: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/2537989.stm

    And another ALX400 lost whole roof after hitting overhanging branches in Bristol. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-15427321


    That body is no longer manufactured.

    C635


  • #11
    sawdoubters
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭sawdoubters


    they use the quickest way to get back on route


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  • #12
    Michael D Not Higgins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,223 ✭✭✭Michael D Not Higgins


    Conway635 wrote: »
    The entire roof did come off.

    A similar model bus in London (i.e ALX400 body) lost an entire roof after clipping a tree in almost identical circumstances a few years earlier: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/2537989.stm

    And another ALX400 lost whole roof after hitting overhanging branches in Bristol. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-15427321


    That body is no longer manufactured.

    C635

    The roof on older buses could collapse into the space occupied by passengers causing serious injuries

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5afeZCthiw


  • #13
    cbl593h
    Closed Accounts Posts: 193 ✭✭cbl593h


    Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »
    The roof on older buses could collapse into the space occupied by passengers causing serious injuries

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5afeZCthiw

    Better version with an upstairs camera.......

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEXaDtXemy0

    Waste of a lovely VR.....:eek:

    Didn't the Waterford-London Eurolines/Bus Éireann service come to grief at that same bridge in Swindon in the early 90's? I remember the driver was sacked and a court case ensued regarding "route knowledge" of BÉ work outside Ireland.


  • #14
    Fratton Fred
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    sawdoubters wrote: »
    they use the quickest way to get back on route

    They aren't in this case, or in the case of the current no.8 diversion.


  • #15
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,919 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    They are using the nearest roads suitable for double deck buses.


  • #16
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    lxflyer wrote: »
    They are using the nearest roads suitable for double deck buses.

    I can't see why they don't use Hyde Road for the 8 and Elton Park for the 7d and 59. Then on to the normal route at the Charles Fitzgerald.

    There are trees along Elton Park, but nowhere near as low as Google maps indicates, a bit of minor pruning and a double decker would fit no problem.


  • #17
    GTE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭GTE


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    minor pruning and a double decker would fit no problem.

    By using some logic and common sense, all you have to do is look at how high up a light post a double decker goes and then you can get at least the impression that a little more than a minor prune is required.

    5720450284_e72bed425f.jpg
    292815.jpg

    Minor pruning indeed. :rolleyes:


  • #18
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    bbk wrote: »
    By using some logic and common sense, all you have to do is look at how high up a light post a double decker goes and then you can get at least the impression that a little more than a minor prune is required.

    5720450284_e72bed425f.jpg
    292815.jpg

    Minor pruning indeed. :rolleyes:

    A tree with leaves on in the winter, remarkable.

    Or maybe that's an old photo. That tree is nowhere near that low now, which is hardly surprising, that would hit a transit van.


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