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Children penalised for the actions of parents

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  • #702
    LoonyLovegood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,068 ✭✭✭LoonyLovegood


    Cicero wrote: »
    And how much did the diesel cost for that?;)

    Good aul ULA, free seats on the bus. Half them getting on were using it to get home!


  • #703
    Cicero
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,144 ✭✭✭✭Cicero


    CTYIgirl wrote: »
    Good aul ULA, free seats on the bus. Half them getting on were using it to get home!

    So it wasn't "filled" with students " going to protest" then, was it?


  • #704
    Spread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,876 ✭✭✭Spread


    CTYIgirl wrote: »
    A bus left my university today filled with students going down to Ennis to protest. I think it's ridiculous, for many families (my own included), to pay the household tax can mean the mortgage doesn't get paid for a month, or someone doesn't eat as much as they need, or even that the electricity gets switched off for longer periods. It's not al black and white

    Most property taxes here are around $100 per week. If you default for three years the Government put a lien on it.


  • #705
    JRant
    Registered Users Posts: 13,145 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    What's plan to see is that not one single poster has addressed the issue of due process and seperation of power. That is what this issue boils down to really, the grant is just a patsy to distract from the real problem. This Government want to see what they can get away with and this is just another 'kite' being flown.
    For a lot of intelligent people to come on here and spout nobsense like "no pay HHC, no get any service" is freigthening. It's not a big step to go from this to "no pay HHC, no get leaving cert results" etc. It literally has no end, if we as citizens allow the powers that be to ignore the rule of society laid down by the constitution, and run rough shod over this issue.
    I'm all ears for any point that addresses these points.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #706
    jimmycrackcorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,345 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    Can't understand why people cannot make the connection that a 3rd level grant is means tested against parents income and yet totally ignore their tax liabilities.


  • #707
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    Spread wrote: »
    Most property taxes here are around $100 per week. If you default for three years the Government put a lien on it.

    Where are you?


  • #708
    squawkbox
    Registered Users Posts: 14 ✭squawkbox


    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    Can't understand why people cannot make the connection that a 3rd level grant is means tested against parents income and yet totally ignore their tax liabilities.

    People who see the grant as an entitlement have this difficulty. Those who see it as a generous Government help don't.


  • #709
    Feathers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭Feathers


    Zulu wrote: »
    Apologies Biggins, indeed you didn't.

    However, you did not state that there wasn't another way; you do not know if there's another way - which makes your original assertion hyperbole. Nothing changes.

    You can not claim, as you did, that it's: "PR spin semantics = amounting to the same thing. Same end result." because if there is another way to get the payment, then it's NOT the same thing, is it?

    But hey, don't worry about it. You'd prefer to deal in sensationalist, tabloid, hyperbole - that's fine. I'm sure Debbie, 21, from page 3, is equally miffed at the councils decision not to process applications.

    Let's clear this up: there isn't another way. Grants that are processed through the local authority are processed through the local authority. New applications which can go through the new central body are done so there. But there's no option on behalf of the applicant.

    Secondly, in any PR spin for the HHC, there has been nothing mentioned of paying for the wages of clerical staff — these people aren't being brought in for the summer to process grant applications; they are full-time members of the CCC payrole. The charge was supposedly for amenities provided by the council — i.e. funding the upkeep of parks, libraries, refuse, street lights etc & the money needed to provide this.

    Whether or not the council were processing grant applications, they would have the same number of clerical staff on their books. This isn't something that they're spending money on that would otherwise be saved or alleviated by the HHC.
    squawkbox wrote: »
    Face it, it's not just kids applying for grants, it's their parents applying for grants for their kids.

    No, it's not.
    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    Can't understand why people cannot make the connection that a 3rd level grant is means tested against parents income and yet totally ignore their tax liabilities.

    Because tax liabilities aren't income. If they want people to be tax-compliant to get a grant, change the rules. But they don't care about motor tax or other outstanding charges due to the government, they just want people to sign up to a property register. What does a property register have to do with educational grant — this is the connection that people cannot make, because the only logic at play here is to manipulate people outside of the law to make the numbers look better.


  • #710
    Piliger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    Can't understand why people cannot make the connection that a 3rd level grant is means tested against parents income and yet totally ignore their tax liabilities.
    This is what happens with people who only think about what they can get from the State; what they can suck out of the pockets of people who pay taxes.


  • #711
    JRant
    Registered Users Posts: 13,145 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Piliger wrote: »
    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    Can't understand why people cannot make the connection that a 3rd level grant is means tested against parents income and yet totally ignore their tax liabilities.
    This is what happens with people who only think about what they can get from the State; what they can suck out of the pockets of people who pay taxes.

    Yet neither of you seem to be able to realise that the grant system has absolutely nothing to do with the HHC.

    It was the CoCo blatantly ignoring their own rules, as has been admitted by them already. But hey don't let that stop you from sticking it to all those people who were genuinely in need of these grants and causing a lot of undue stress in an already stressful situation.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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