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Clare Daly resigns from Socialist Party, the beginning of the end for the SP ?

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  • #52
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    It is in the Mail on Sunday that Clare Daly wants the leader's allowance of €41k, but from what I read, she would need the socialist party to sanction it as she was not elected as an independent.

    Not much of an economic crisis in the Dáil.


  • #53
    Jolly Red Giant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭Jolly Red Giant


    later12 wrote: »
    Yes, that's a fair point. We shouldn't jump to the conclusion that the Socialists particularly care about Clare Daly's private friendships.
    The Socialist Party and its members couldn't care less about the private friendships and relationships that individual members have. What they do in their private life is their business. This disagreements between the Socialist Party and Clare Daly are the result of her continuing political support for a tax-dodging property developer.


  • #54
    Toby Take a Bow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭Toby Take a Bow


    dsmythy wrote: »
    Also looking at their statement I look forward to The Socialist Party never asking a TD to resign ever again. Up to voters and what not.

    Yeah, I think they'll come to regret making that statement. Or they'll be called up on it if/when there's some scandal involving FF/FG/Labour/SF.


  • #55
    Jolly Red Giant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭Jolly Red Giant


    Toby Take a Bow wrote: »
    Yeah, I think they'll come to regret making that statement. Or they'll be called up on it if/when there's some scandal involving FF/FG/Labour/SF.
    The Socialist Party have consistantly held the position that a TD is responsible to the people who elected the TD and not the media nor the political establishment in this country. It argues that all elected representatives should be subject to recall by those who elected them - but the political establishment have no interest in putting their own TDs under such political scrutiny.

    The Socialist Party has never joined in the chorus of demands for a TD to resign for whatever reason, be that Lowry, Burke, Wallace or whoever. The only occasions where the Socialist Party has stated that a TD should resign was in the case of Lawlor and only after a considerable period of Lawlor openly defying the courts, the Dail and, most importantly, the people who elected him.


  • #56
    Toby Take a Bow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭Toby Take a Bow


    Jolly Red Giant wrote: »
    The Socialist Party has never joined in the chorus of demands for a TD to resign for whatever reason, be that Lowry, Burke, Wallace or whoever.

    Fair enough. I thought they were reticent about calling on Wallace to resign due to the complications of him being in the technical group with them.


  • #57
    Monty Burnz
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    Fenian Army wrote: »
    She is far too cozy with the tax cheat, including being seen having expensive lunches with him in top restaurants numerous times as well as the things outlined in the statement.
    That rather reinforces the idea that the ideal of socialism is to make everyone as poor as everyone else, with the exception of the top party members.


  • #58
    The Waltzing Consumer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭The Waltzing Consumer


    Jolly Red Giant wrote: »
    The Socialist Party have consistantly held the position that a TD is responsible to the people who elected the TD and not the media nor the political establishment in this country. It argues that all elected representatives should be subject to recall by those who elected them - but the political establishment have no interest in putting their own TDs under such political scrutiny.

    The Socialist Party has never joined in the chorus of demands for a TD to resign for whatever reason, be that Lowry, Burke, Wallace or whoever. The only occasions where the Socialist Party has stated that a TD should resign was in the case of Lawlor and only after a considerable period of Lawlor openly defying the courts, the Dail and, most importantly, the people who elected him.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/0518/lenihanc.html
    Well, Joe Higgins called for Conor Lenihan to resign before so there goes that whole two paragraphs :D

    I also remember listening to a Pat Kenny show around the time of Mick Wallace being a tax cheat came out and Joe said the exact same stuff as you said above and denied multiple times ever calling for anyone to resign. When Pat put this Conor Lenihan thing to him, he denied it, he denied it and eventually tryed to wriggle out of it by saying he only called for him to resign as a junior minister.

    So the Socialist Party, like any other party, never ever ever did something, until you find an example of them doing something, and then they will suddenly have a perfectly reasonable reason for doing so.


  • #59
    Jolly Red Giant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭Jolly Red Giant


    Toby Take a Bow wrote: »
    Fair enough. I thought they were reticent about calling on Wallace to resign due to the complications of him being in the technical group with them.
    Nothing to do with it - under Dail rules Wallace could apply to re-join the Technical Group tomorrow morning and there is nothing the Socialist Party or anyone else could do to stop him
    The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/0518/lenihanc.html
    Well, Joe Higgins called for Conor Lenihan to resign before so there goes that whole two paragraphs :D

    I also remember listening to a Pat Kenny show around the time of Mick Wallace being a tax cheat came out and Joe said the exact same stuff as you said above and denied multiple times ever calling for anyone to resign. When Pat put this Conor Lenihan thing to him, he denied it, he denied it and eventually tryed to wriggle out of it by saying he only called for him to resign as a junior minister.

    So the Socialist Party, like any other party, never ever ever did something, until you find an example of them doing something, and then they will suddenly have a perfectly reasonable reason for doing so.
    Joe Higgins rightly called on Conor Lenihan to resign as Minister for Overseas Development after Lenihan made some absolutely disgraceful remarks about the Turkish workers working for GAMA - Joe Higgins did not call on Conor Lenihan to resign as a TD. In case you don't understand the difference - a TD is elected by the people - a Minister is appointed by the Taoiseach.


  • #60
    Fenian Army
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    That rather reinforces the idea that the ideal of socialism is to make everyone as poor as everyone else, with the exception of the top party members.
    No it doesn't, it clearly shows us that Clare Daly has lost her way (to be polite about it).


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  • #61
    JoeGil
    Registered Users Posts: 143 ✭✭JoeGil


    By supporting the toxic brand of a business not declaring and not paying it's VAT liability, Daly has made herself unelectable in the next election.
    It's of no long term relevance and purely academic where she completes the current Dail term.


  • #62
    rodento
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭rodento


    Its a mad mad world

    The Socialist Party went on the attack yesterday, accusing Ms Daly of reckless misjudgment in her continued support for Mick Wallace after it was revealed that he had knowingly evaded tax.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0902/row-over-daly-resignation-continues.html

    Wonder what would have if it was revealed that td's knowingly evaded the household charge:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • #63
    Mr.Micro
    Registered Users Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    JoeGil wrote: »
    By supporting the toxic brand of a business not declaring and not paying it's VAT liability, Daly has made herself unelectable in the next election.
    It's of no long term relevance and purely academic where she completes the current Dail term.

    Her view on reality is clearly distorted. What function has such a person in the Dail, where she cannot even apply reason or logic. Backing Wallace, why? For the hell of it, just to be at odds with everyone else.


  • #64
    yore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭yore


    Mr.Micro wrote: »
    Her view on reality is clearly distorted. What function has such a person in the Dail, where she cannot even apply reason or logic. Backing Wallace, why? For the hell of it, just to be at odds with everyone else.
    Maybe she just likes Mickey and thinks he a dacent man. Maybe she has come to realise that not wealthy people are evil or maybe she has a taste of the wealth now and wants to forget about her previous principles. There's nothing wrong with a woman liking Mickey. I'm sure plenty do.


  • #65
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,995 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Maybe they share hair products?


  • #66
    Jolly Red Giant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭Jolly Red Giant


    Socialist Party press conference from yesterday -

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOKAfX52Nww


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  • #67
    dsmythy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,520 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    northcountyleader.ie/index.php/component/content/article/34-front-page/2255-daly-tells-us-why-she-left.html

    What she says.


  • #68
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    Jolly Red Giant wrote: »
    Joe Higgins rightly called on Conor Lenihan to resign as Minister for Overseas Development after Lenihan made some absolutely disgraceful remarks about the Turkish workers working for GAMA - Joe Higgins did not call on Conor Lenihan to resign as a TD. In case you don't understand the difference - a TD is elected by the people - a Minister is appointed by the Taoiseach.


    Now where might I have heard an excuse like that before?


  • #69
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,267 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Mr.Micro wrote: »
    Her view on reality is clearly distorted. What function has such a person in the Dail, where she cannot even apply reason or logic. Backing Wallace, why? For the hell of it, just to be at odds with everyone else.

    With all that in mind I think she fits in perfectly.


  • #70
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,987 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    dsmythy wrote: »
    northcountyleader.ie/index.php/component/content/article/34-front-page/2255-daly-tells-us-why-she-left.html

    What she says.

    so the ruling part was going to loose a lot of seats after years of corruption during an economic collapse, so yes they gained and secured some seats while the ULA hung together through that election, doesn't mean it could be or should be ever anything other then alliances at election times, similar things were tried at previous elections and they didn't work, this one was unique it won't happen again even if the economy is still bad at the next election. she a fool to think otherwise, even the local eletions are two years away, they got time to argue during the non-elections doldrums, trying to force united party for appearances sake is such a mistake, loose alliances are fine, ignore the monty pythn jibes, a big united party and lots of people keep schtum and going along with it didn't serve us well, many voices is not such a bad thing.


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