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Clare Daly resigns from Socialist Party, the beginning of the end for the SP ?

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    #32
    Fenian Army
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    later12 wrote: »
    That's none of our business, but this sort of tattle has been a consistent and not very tactfully employed allusion in a lot of media reporting, yes; particularly in the Indo which felt it necessary to cover Mick Wallce's sex life in some considerable detail over the Summer. Didn't half put me off my chips.

    Anyway, if it has any relevance at all - and that is extremely tenuous - it does raise some questions about what on Earth the Socialist Party are up to. Perhaps they see fit to pass judgement on whom their representatives have personal relationship with. The Wallace saga is dying down. I can't imagine why it should still have been troubling the Socialist Party moreso than it was last june.
    You wouldn't have a link to articles where that is alluded to?


    Its more to do with her not engaging with party structures imo.


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    #33
    southsiderosie
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    #34
    Kristopherus
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    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    OK I'm going to ask the question.

    Are Daly and Wallace 'having it off'..?

    I have no time for Daly's abortionist line but she is a performer of note...

    Well none of the tabloids have mentioned it yet afaik. Though the RTE reports mentioned her being in Wallace's company both inside and outside the Dail very frequently. I got the impression they were just stopping short of saying they were "having it off":)


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    #35
    Fenian Army
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    http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/colonels-daughter-who-wouldnt-give-mick-his-marching-orders-3139905.html

    Their relationship is very curious, as a socialist she should have any time for a blatant tax cheat like Wallace.


    She needs to explain herself.


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    #36
    later12
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    Fenian Army wrote: »
    You wouldn't have a link to articles where that is alluded to?
    This one stuck out in my memory.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/but-at-least-hes-getting-support-from-the-women-in-his-life-3140485.html

    Anyway, it doesn't matter what the nature of their relationship is at all ; there is clearly a friendship there, and I think it would be fair to observe that this appears to irritate the Socialist Party.


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    #37
    round tower huntsman
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    she's a let down. she got votes in our house.never again. i always thought of her as a real staunch socialist that couldnt be bought or tainted. but her behaviour over the last few months regarding wallace has been shamefull.

    the sp are better off without her. never judge a person on their deeds in the past but their outlook at present. she's let down all her comrades and for what???


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    #38
    Fenian Army
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    later12 wrote: »
    This one stuck out in my memory.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/but-at-least-hes-getting-support-from-the-women-in-his-life-3140485.html

    Anyway, it doesn't matter what the nature of their relationship is at all ; there is clearly a friendship there, and I think it would be fair to observe that this appears to irritate the Socialist Party.
    Its not just a personal relationship though, she has refused to condemn him despite her party doing so also refusing to sign party statements, there is the problem. Her sticking up for him flies against her parties politics and is damaging to them among the grassroots, its not exactly passing judgment on who she has pints with in the pub.


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    #39
    JonathanAnon
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    That crowd on the left are all hypocrites.. Take this week for example, with the announced health cuts... not one of them is prepared to admit that without tackling wages (70% of the total health spend), we are really not taking the issue seriously...

    And I dont know what it is, but most of these high profile socialists seem to be earning more than a lot of capitalists that they like to portray as the devil..


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    #40
    yore
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    later12 wrote: »
    That's none of our business, but this sort of tattle has been a consistent and not very tactfully employed allusion in a lot of media reporting, yes; particularly in the Indo which felt it necessary to cover Mick Wallce's sex life in some considerable detail over the Summer. Didn't half put me off my chips.

    Anyway, if it has any relevance at all - and that is extremely tenuous - it does raise some questions about what on Earth the Socialist Party are up to. Perhaps they see fit to pass judgement on whom their representatives have personal relationship with. The Wallace saga is dying down. I can't imagine why it should still have been troubling the Socialist Party moreso than it was last june.

    If we still had a contsruction bubble/boom, and the bould Micko was still flying and got an invite to the FF tent at The Galway Races, would her SP brethren be happy to see her swanning around the tent hob-nobbing with the rich and powerful while drinking champagne.....so the company she keeps might seem to be of interest to people.

    I'm using this theoretical example because the looney lefties are always the first to jump on the bandwagon whenever politician X is seen on the golf course with Mr. Rich Y.


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    #41
    tayto lover
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    yore wrote: »
    If we still had a contsruction bubble/boom, and the bould Micko was still flying and got an invite to the FF tent at The Galway Races, would her SP brethren be happy to see her swanning around the tent hob-nobbing with the rich and powerful while drinking champagne.....so the company she keeps might seem to be of interest to people.

    I'm using this theoretical example because the looney lefties are always the first to jump on the bandwagon whenever politician X is seen on the golf course with Mr. Rich Y.

    Or Lenin :D


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    Defiler Of The Coffin
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    yore wrote: »
    If we still had a contsruction bubble/boom, and the bould Micko was still flying and got an invite to the FF tent at The Galway Races, would her SP brethren be happy to see her swanning around the tent hob-nobbing with the rich and powerful while drinking champagne.....so the company she keeps might seem to be of interest to people.

    I'm using this theoretical example because the looney lefties are always the first to jump on the bandwagon whenever politician X is seen on the golf course with Mr. Rich Y.

    Exactly, and it poses a very interesting question as to why Clare Daly is in effect renouncing her socialist ideology by aligning herself with tax evader and property developer Mick Wallace, the very kind that her type were always so quick to criticise!

    Why has she thrown her lot in with Wallace? Does she support his politics?! What does she stand for now?


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    #43
    ArmaniJeanss
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    Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »
    Why has she thrown her lot in with Wallace? Does she support his politics?! What does she stand for now?

    His politics aren't a huge problem, on a wide range of issues they are very similar to the Socialist Party.


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    #44
    Jolly Red Giant
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    I not going to engage with the hacks wetting themselves with glee at their prediction of the demise of the SP

    I will clarify one point
    Fenian Army wrote: »
    I suspect she was "asked to resign"
    Clare Daly was not 'asked to resign' - the Socialist Party National Committee made numerous attempts over the past six weeks to resolve the difficulties with Clare Daly and her political defence of Mick Wallace, again attempting to do so this week. Unfortunately Clare Daly decided that her political defence of Wallace was more important to her than her political affiliation with the Socialist Party.

    This is undoubtedly a setback for the Socialist Party, but we will work to regain lost ground, including regaining the Socialist Party seat in Dublin North.


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    #45
    Toby Take a Bow
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    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    His politics aren't a huge problem, on a wide range of issues they are very similar to the Socialist Party.

    Clearly they are an issue if, as Jolly Red Giant suggests, they've spent the last six weeks attempting to get Daly to align themselves with their policies.


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    #46
    NIMAN
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    For me she is a bit hypocritical. No point being very anti-developer and yet support Mick Wallace at the same time.

    In fact she is anti-everything as far as I have seen of her, which is an easy job these days as she will get most of the publics support. However she tends to be one of those people who, when asked, doesn't have any answers as how to solve problems in the country. Its easy to throw mud, but harder to come up with solutions.

    I would really fear for the country if her like had power.


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    #47
    Min
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    Paul Murphy did say Clare's "personal relationship" with Mick Wallace which left ideas of what the exact relationship is.

    They are well suited anyway, one didn't pay his taxes, both tell people not to pay the household tax.


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    later12
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    Fenian Army wrote: »
    Its not just a personal relationship though, she has refused to condemn him despite her party doing so also refusing to sign party statements, there is the problem. Her sticking up for him flies against her parties politics and is damaging to them among the grassroots, its not exactly passing judgment on who she has pints with in the pub.

    Yes, that's a fair point. We shouldn't jump to the conclusion that the Socialists particularly care about Clare Daly's private friendships.

    I was only thinking that because the Socialist Party is so ideologically founded and it's not the sort of friendship you'd imagine would sit easily with them. But as you say, there is a more valid & legitimate point that Daly has refused to tow the party line and that is a problem when it comes to promoting a coherent, intelligible message to the voter.


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    #49
    Min
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    I wonder how united the ULA are over all of this.


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    #50
    dsmythy
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    Wallace and The Socialist Party are both involved in tax dodging, more matched than they think.

    Also looking at their statement I look forward to The Socialist Party never asking a TD to resign ever again. Up to voters and what not.


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    #51
    dsmythy
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    Min wrote: »
    I wonder how united the ULA are over all of this.

    They're calling themselves the LA now.... Clare Daly and a Socialist Party candidate will compete in Dublin North and both lose out because of a split vote.


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    Min
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    It is in the Mail on Sunday that Clare Daly wants the leader's allowance of €41k, but from what I read, she would need the socialist party to sanction it as she was not elected as an independent.

    Not much of an economic crisis in the Dáil.


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    #53
    Jolly Red Giant
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    later12 wrote: »
    Yes, that's a fair point. We shouldn't jump to the conclusion that the Socialists particularly care about Clare Daly's private friendships.
    The Socialist Party and its members couldn't care less about the private friendships and relationships that individual members have. What they do in their private life is their business. This disagreements between the Socialist Party and Clare Daly are the result of her continuing political support for a tax-dodging property developer.


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    Toby Take a Bow
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    dsmythy wrote: »
    Also looking at their statement I look forward to The Socialist Party never asking a TD to resign ever again. Up to voters and what not.

    Yeah, I think they'll come to regret making that statement. Or they'll be called up on it if/when there's some scandal involving FF/FG/Labour/SF.


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    Jolly Red Giant
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    Toby Take a Bow wrote: »
    Yeah, I think they'll come to regret making that statement. Or they'll be called up on it if/when there's some scandal involving FF/FG/Labour/SF.
    The Socialist Party have consistantly held the position that a TD is responsible to the people who elected the TD and not the media nor the political establishment in this country. It argues that all elected representatives should be subject to recall by those who elected them - but the political establishment have no interest in putting their own TDs under such political scrutiny.

    The Socialist Party has never joined in the chorus of demands for a TD to resign for whatever reason, be that Lowry, Burke, Wallace or whoever. The only occasions where the Socialist Party has stated that a TD should resign was in the case of Lawlor and only after a considerable period of Lawlor openly defying the courts, the Dail and, most importantly, the people who elected him.


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    Toby Take a Bow
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    Jolly Red Giant wrote: »
    The Socialist Party has never joined in the chorus of demands for a TD to resign for whatever reason, be that Lowry, Burke, Wallace or whoever.

    Fair enough. I thought they were reticent about calling on Wallace to resign due to the complications of him being in the technical group with them.


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    Monty Burnz
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    Fenian Army wrote: »
    She is far too cozy with the tax cheat, including being seen having expensive lunches with him in top restaurants numerous times as well as the things outlined in the statement.
    That rather reinforces the idea that the ideal of socialism is to make everyone as poor as everyone else, with the exception of the top party members.


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    The Waltzing Consumer
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    Jolly Red Giant wrote: »
    The Socialist Party have consistantly held the position that a TD is responsible to the people who elected the TD and not the media nor the political establishment in this country. It argues that all elected representatives should be subject to recall by those who elected them - but the political establishment have no interest in putting their own TDs under such political scrutiny.

    The Socialist Party has never joined in the chorus of demands for a TD to resign for whatever reason, be that Lowry, Burke, Wallace or whoever. The only occasions where the Socialist Party has stated that a TD should resign was in the case of Lawlor and only after a considerable period of Lawlor openly defying the courts, the Dail and, most importantly, the people who elected him.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/0518/lenihanc.html
    Well, Joe Higgins called for Conor Lenihan to resign before so there goes that whole two paragraphs :D

    I also remember listening to a Pat Kenny show around the time of Mick Wallace being a tax cheat came out and Joe said the exact same stuff as you said above and denied multiple times ever calling for anyone to resign. When Pat put this Conor Lenihan thing to him, he denied it, he denied it and eventually tryed to wriggle out of it by saying he only called for him to resign as a junior minister.

    So the Socialist Party, like any other party, never ever ever did something, until you find an example of them doing something, and then they will suddenly have a perfectly reasonable reason for doing so.


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    Jolly Red Giant
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    Toby Take a Bow wrote: »
    Fair enough. I thought they were reticent about calling on Wallace to resign due to the complications of him being in the technical group with them.
    Nothing to do with it - under Dail rules Wallace could apply to re-join the Technical Group tomorrow morning and there is nothing the Socialist Party or anyone else could do to stop him
    The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/0518/lenihanc.html
    Well, Joe Higgins called for Conor Lenihan to resign before so there goes that whole two paragraphs :D

    I also remember listening to a Pat Kenny show around the time of Mick Wallace being a tax cheat came out and Joe said the exact same stuff as you said above and denied multiple times ever calling for anyone to resign. When Pat put this Conor Lenihan thing to him, he denied it, he denied it and eventually tryed to wriggle out of it by saying he only called for him to resign as a junior minister.

    So the Socialist Party, like any other party, never ever ever did something, until you find an example of them doing something, and then they will suddenly have a perfectly reasonable reason for doing so.
    Joe Higgins rightly called on Conor Lenihan to resign as Minister for Overseas Development after Lenihan made some absolutely disgraceful remarks about the Turkish workers working for GAMA - Joe Higgins did not call on Conor Lenihan to resign as a TD. In case you don't understand the difference - a TD is elected by the people - a Minister is appointed by the Taoiseach.


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    #60
    Fenian Army
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    That rather reinforces the idea that the ideal of socialism is to make everyone as poor as everyone else, with the exception of the top party members.
    No it doesn't, it clearly shows us that Clare Daly has lost her way (to be polite about it).


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    #61
    JoeGil
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    By supporting the toxic brand of a business not declaring and not paying it's VAT liability, Daly has made herself unelectable in the next election.
    It's of no long term relevance and purely academic where she completes the current Dail term.


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