Injustice- Gods Among Us discussion thread

Sairus · 27-09-2012 3:57am

I didn't get to play this at TGS. Netherrealm had no booth, so I assumed it wasn't available. By the time I realized it was on show in the Sony booth the lines were closed

Doctor DooM · 09-10-2012 11:53pm

OLLIE!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqFWbgoXW50

I'll have to play this now.

Voice actor is terrible though, he's supposed to be the older, grizzled, man of the people hero. Also a pity they seem to be ignoring his post 52 upgrade in skill level.

Sairus · 10-10-2012 12:21am

I love the costume design for Arrow here. I've always loved that leathery hoody they gave him in Smallville compared to the Robin Hood triangle hat.

What'd they do to him in New 52?

Despite the nice character model I'm still completely uninterested in this game of course :pac:

deathrider · 10-10-2012 1:00am

When in doubt, always play as the guy with the beard!

Doctor DooM · 10-10-2012 9:00am

Sairus wrote: »

I love the costume design for Arrow here. I've always loved that leathery hoody they gave him in Smallville compared to the Robin Hood triangle hat.

What'd they do to him in New 52?

Despite the nice character model I'm still completely uninterested in this game of course :pac:

Basically he went off and trained with a lot of ninja master types and levelled up is fighting skills to the point where he could take on death stroke easily. You'd see him using a sword as much as the arrows.

1man3letters · 11-10-2012 12:10pm

two more chars confirmed for release roster via ed boons twitter..
joker and green lantern (nothing to shocking there)

never heard of green arrow before but with all those arrows seems like he be a good zoner so im down with that,
voice actor is ass though, nearly as bad as the sindel one in mk9 *ha..ha......ha* :rolleyes:

deathrider · 11-10-2012 12:56pm

1man3letters wrote: »

two more chars confirmed for release roster via ed boons twitter..
joker and green lantern (nothing to shocking there)

never heard of green arrow before but with all those arrows seems like he be a good zoner so im down with that,
voice actor is ass though, nearly as bad as the sindel one in mk9 *ha..ha......ha* :rolleyes:

Another Batman character? Who'd have thunk it?

Doctor DooM · 11-10-2012 1:09pm

1man3letters wrote: »

never heard of green arrow before but with all those arrows seems like he be a good zoner so im down with that

I'm pretty happy with a green clad blonde American zoner myself.

For those that don't know, Green Arrow was your standard Batman rip off character but in the last 20 years or so has morphed into an interesting extreme left wing man of the people type of character, often clashing with Green Lantern or Batman over their tactics and philosophies.

He's also a womanising asshole who can't keep it in his pants (has even basically split teams over boning a fellow justice leaguers wife) so he's a bit more depth of character than your average hero type.

1man3letters · 12-10-2012 9:52pm

here is offscreen footage from the NYCC.
from the chars out so far green arrow seems like the one i want to play most.
apparently his gimmick button changes the type of arrow (of which there are 3 types)

also according to CD jr, the current build of cyborg is what would happen if kabal,cyrax and jax had a baby....uh-oh :eek:

deathrider · 12-10-2012 11:10pm

If Nightwolf could use his arrows like that, maybe he wouldn't have been muck. I only watched a portion of that vid, because, to be brutally honest, it was a mighty boring fight!

Also...

1man3letters wrote: »

what would happen if kabal,cyrax and jax had a baby....uh-oh :eek:

Good lord, that's a disturbing concept!

Doctor DooM · 12-10-2012 11:43pm

First things first: Interesting looking character, cancellable fireballs, different angles, delays, gonna be a zoning monster.

Secondly though, something's been bugging me about this game and I've figured it out. Maybe some other comic guys could chime in with me on it...

In MvC3, the move sets and the designs delibrately show the bring out the models characters. For example, Deadpools shoryuken, despite only ever being done once, is considered a signature move. They went to the bother of getting wolverine's animated voice actor. She Hulk breaks the 4th wall if she's in a fight with deadpool, loads of things like that. MvC is full of character and a delight for a marvel fanboy.

In Injustice so far, I see none of this. The move sets are completely unremarkable, they don't feel like the characters they should be. Where's Ollie's boxing glove arrow? Or sword? The combos look mega generic, and the voice acting is poor. Each character seems to have 1, maybe 2 uninspired moved based on whatever powers they have.

Considering the characters and their history, is it not looking to other people so far like there's a lot of missed opportunity going on?

UberPrinny_Baal · 13-10-2012 12:30am

Hmm you might be right Doom. The thing about gets me that about Injustice is that if I squint it looks like MK9.

That might just be because it's not cell shaded, and that goes great with comic styles....

We know a lot about the behind the scenes stuff between Capcom and Marvel as well.

Like Capcom have said that the absense of Venom and Fantastic Four was largely down to licencing issues Marvel has, but also how Marvel were super eager to have characters like Rocket Raccoon and Dr. Strange.
Remember them saying that Marvel even specified exactly how the positions of the fingers on Dr. Strange's hands had to be?

Capcom, to be fair to them, do tell us a lot about the behind the scenes stuff.

I dunno can the same be said about this game (I actually don't know, I'm not actively following it).

It could be anything from Marvel being more focused on the small details, or Netherealm being able to secure a better contract that excludes the IP owner meddling in their game design, haha.

Doctor DooM · 13-10-2012 12:37am

UberPrinny_Baal wrote: »

It could be anything from Marvel being more focused on the small details, or Netherealm being able to secure a better contract that excludes the IP owner meddling in their game design, haha.

God knows, but Warner owns both Nether realm and DC these days...

Sairus · 13-10-2012 4:11am

I hate comparing this to Marvel over and over but it's kind of impossible not to.

I think my main gripe with this game (aside from the general MK9ish combos and movement style, which I just don't like) is traceable to the way Netherrealm approached this game. Marvel doesn't care about power levels and just said "**** it, that racoon is going to beat the **** out of Dormammu" and scaled all the low level characters up to meet the stupidity of the high power characters or just flat out ignored the differences. DC seems to have gone the opposite way and scaled everyone down to Batman's level and has mentioned they have a big logical explanation in the plot for the depowering.

Right there is the problem. From the start Netherrealm wanted to depower the characters and shoehorned them into the rigid, martial arts based MK9 fighting style which can only really accommodate the 'Gadget' half of the cast. This depowering just serves to make the super moves all the more silly. They try to be realistic and edgy, then throw stupidly over the top nonsense in out of nowhere. If the first thing you think of when you make a super hero fighting game is "okay, we gotta bring all these guys down to normal human levels" then you are making the wrong game.

I'm not flat out hating on MK9's gameplay - to each their own like - but I think super heroes are totally out of place within that design. I'd be saying the same thing if they scaled Sentinel down to fit into Street Fighter 4.

Everyone knows that nerfing good characters usually sucks whereas buffing low ones is awesome.

1man3letters · 13-10-2012 4:46am

@sarius/@doom

the build that being taken around the shows is near 8 months old, yep that old.
so i wouldnt be trying to dissect too much yet, sure in the build at NYCC you couldnt tech throws its such a old build

i dont think you guys are wrong talking about marvel though, ed boon said the idea of this game was to get as far away from mk as possible to try bring in the marvel/BB/SF etc people in and they seem to be taking a good bit from BB and marvel

also anyone ive talked whos played to says its night and day from mk, plays nothing like it when accualty playing it, but that all hearsay and on a very early build so ill have to wait till april to find out for sure i guess

Sairus · 13-10-2012 5:17am

1man3letters wrote: »

the build that being taken around the shows is near 8 months old

also anyone ive talked whos played to says its night and day from mk, plays nothing like it when accualty playing it,

These are two things I'm really trying to keep an open mind about. I don't completely hate what I've seen already - after a lot of thought I actually love the Clash system and a lot of the character designs are actually nice and interesting looks for the characters... give or take a Harley or two.

If the game plays a lot looser than MK9 then it may be a winner for me - I'm just not terribly hopeful on that front.

1man3letters · 13-10-2012 6:14am

Sairus wrote: »

These are two things I'm really trying to keep an open mind about. I don't completely hate what I've seen already - after a lot of thought I actually love the Clash system and a lot of the character designs are actually nice and interesting looks for the characters... give or take a Harley or two.

If the game plays a lot looser than MK9 then it may be a winner for me - I'm just not terribly hopeful on that front.

i dont like how long the clash takes though, i hope it shorter in final build.
like the idea of it with betting meter and such.

i also wonder will projectiles trade SF style,that'd be interesting, always wished that happened in MK

Doctor DooM · 13-10-2012 12:41pm

Didn't they recently say the clash was being removed?

They must have made some huge changes since that build if they're trying to make it like Marvel because to me it would look way closer to BB of the two.

1man3letters · 13-10-2012 2:42pm

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Didn't they recently say the clash was being removed?

They must have made some huge changes since that build if they're trying to make it like Marvel because to me it would look way closer to BB of the two.

yea they said they might remove it,nothing more been said since, id sad they'll just end up making the whole animation shorter.

yea theres alot of BB to be seen at the minute in it,
sure even the button layout, 1-2-3-gimmick (a-b-c-drive)

i found out some stuff about the jump in punch/kick system that a bit odd aswell.at the minute jips knockdown while jiks grants a combo somone said something about a jump in throw mechanic but i think they may of been at the crack pipe for the post it was written in.
each chars have there own air normals like SF aswell.

also apparently b3 is a universal wall bounce move while d3 is a universal sweep.

.....still waiting for swamp thing :mad:

Nutrient · 16-10-2012 4:21am

http://shoryuken.com/2012/10/15/netherrealm-studios-hector-sanchez-discusses-injustice-gods-among-us-improvements-to-training-mode-frame-data-and-more/

Talks of the game having trades and cross-ups

What is this Madness:pac:

Also, get this...ALL Frame Data on the pause menu in the command list

Sairus · 16-10-2012 5:01am

Nutrient wrote: »

Also, get this...ALL Frame Data on the pause menu in the command list

That's pretty sick.

I know DoA5 can display frame data in training, but I don't think it has a solid list of everything.

Sairus · 28-11-2012 10:42pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVDqpsXAgLI

deathrider · 28-11-2012 10:45pm

Sairus wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVDqpsXAgLI

Spotted this ealiar on, but was too lazy to even watch it, nevermind post it :pac:

Doctor DooM · 28-11-2012 10:47pm

Well, that's DC's Hawkeye AND Deadpool covered, lol

Fun fact: in case you think I am joking, Deathstroke's real name is "Slade Wilson".

deathrider · 28-11-2012 10:53pm

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Well, that's DC's Hawkeye AND Deadpool covered, lol

Fun fact: in case you think I am joking, Deathstroke's real name is "Slade Wilson".

I didn't know that. I've heard that Deadpool was created pretty much as a piss take of Deathstroke though.

Doctor DooM · 28-11-2012 11:20pm

deathrider wrote: »

I didn't know that. I've heard that Deadpool was created pretty much as a piss take of Deathstroke though.

That's pretty much accepted as 100% fact.

Sairus · 29-11-2012 3:41am

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Well, that's DC's Hawkeye AND Deadpool covered, lol

Fun fact: in case you think I am joking, Deathstroke's real name is "Slade Wilson".

deathrider wrote: »

I didn't know that. I've heard that Deadpool was created pretty much as a piss take of Deathstroke though.

Wow, I can't believe I didn't know that! Awesome.
Do they often reference each other Dan/SNK style?

K.O.Kiki · 29-11-2012 3:57am

Sairus wrote: »

Wow, I can't believe I didn't know that! Awesome.
Do they often reference each other Dan/SNK style?

In the Teen Titans TV series, they renamed Deathstroke to Slade because it's a children's show.

Also, he made a habit of beating up young heroes, and kinda (?) succeeded in mentally corrupting one of them into a villain.

Doctor DooM · 29-11-2012 11:01am

Sairus wrote: »

Wow, I can't believe I didn't know that! Awesome.
Do they often reference each other Dan/SNK style?

It doesn't happen as often as you might think- I guess either Disney/Marvel were worried about potentially getting sued and losing the ability to use one of their most popular characters, or just embarrased a company called "the house of ideas" has a major character ripped off their opposition. Deadpool was never meant to succeed the way he has. There's one issue of a Batman/ Superman crossover, if I recall, where an "alternate reality" version of Deathstroke shows up. He's all jokey and light hearted but every time he tries to say his name he gets interrupted. I think once he even gets a "My name is W-" out.

I really hope he says "Taunt Button" or something during the game.

For those interested in the plot behind these characters, moreso than most of his own rogues, Deathstroke is the dark version of Batman. He's a tactical fighter, well trained, nearly unbeatable, and the lower grades of good guys won't take him on without out numbering him hugely as he inspires such fear.

Kiki correctly pointed out he was most famously known as an enemy of the teen titans, although the trailer above seems to play on his rivallry with Green Arrow more (which makes it more of a shame it's not the "levelled up" Olly in the game- when he upgrades his skills he's shown to be able to beat Deathstroke).

It's a good sign for fanboys that Injustice is taking some of the lesser known, but still popular characters for the game.

deathrider · 29-11-2012 12:33pm

Doctor DooM wrote: »

It's a good sign for fanboys that Injustice is taking some of the lesser known, but still popular characters for the game.

In fairness though, Deathstroke had already appeared in MK Vs DCU. That's where I learned of him. So he'd be known to Mk players, who of course are Boon's audience.

Scavenger XIII · 29-11-2012 12:54pm

Doctor DooM wrote: »

He's a tactical fighter, well trained, nearly unbeatable, and the lower grades of good guys won't take him on without out numbering him hugely as he inspires such fear.

So he's Deadpool AND Taskmaster at the same time?

Doctor DooM · 29-11-2012 1:36pm

Scavenger XIII wrote: »

So he's Deadpool AND Taskmaster at the same time?

Taskmaster's actually usually a bit of a joke in the MU, recently he had a scrap with Cap A who "THIS joker with a skull for a head" was, as he tends to have a hard time from that type of villain.

Cap must have already met Taskmaster 4-5 times a that point. lol.

I'd say he's closer to Sabretooth or someone in the sense that $%^& is usually about to get real when he shows up.

Scavenger XIII · 29-11-2012 3:58pm

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Taskmaster's actually usually a bit of a joke in the MU, recently he had a scrap with Cap A who "THIS joker with a skull for a head" was, as he tends to have a hard time from that type of villain.

I don't follow Marvel that closely but shouldn't Cap be pretty much incapable of beating Taskmaster in a straight fight? (Didn't he beat ALL the Avengers at once by himself back in the day?)

Has he really been nerfed that badly? I thought has presence in MVC3 was an indication he was due some love.

So yeah, about that DC... honestly I have a hard time thinking of DC characters I'd like to see outside of Batmans rogues gallery and GENERAL ZOD (must be directly from Superman II complete with jumpsuit and catchphrase).

Doctor DooM · 29-11-2012 7:42pm

Scavenger XIII wrote: »

I don't follow Marvel that closely but shouldn't Cap be pretty much incapable of beating Taskmaster in a straight fight? (Didn't he beat ALL the Avengers at once by himself back in the day?)

Has he really been nerfed that badly? I thought has presence in MVC3 was an indication he was due some love.

So yeah, about that DC... honestly I have a hard time thinking of DC characters I'd like to see outside of Batmans rogues gallery and GENERAL ZOD (must be directly from Superman II complete with jumpsuit and catchphrase).

There's a strong argument to say Cap's tactically smarter than Taskmaster and he's probably a lot stronger/ quicker than him.

Yeah, he was nerfed pretty hard, occasionally he makes a come back though.

Sairus · 29-11-2012 11:43pm

Scavenger XIII wrote: »

So yeah, about that DC... honestly I have a hard time thinking of DC characters I'd like to see outside of Batmans rogues gallery and GENERAL ZOD (must be directly from Superman II complete with jumpsuit and catchphrase).

I want Blue Beetle. Pretty much the only non Batman character I like.

I imagine Hawkman and Martian Manhunter won't be too long showing up.

Also, Deathstroke is currently in that Arrow TV show so that's probably why they're playing up that rivalry.(

J0hnick · 01-12-2012 9:13pm

Doctor DooM wrote: »

There's one issue of a Batman/ Superman crossover, if I recall, where an "alternate reality" version of Deathstroke shows up. He's all jokey and light hearted but every time he tries to say his name he gets interrupted. I think once he even gets a "My name is W-" out.

technically+not+deadpool+but+an+alternate+universe+version+of+deathstroke+_04523d8af03d402d8c5e62ba37331220.jpg

Doctor DooM · 08-01-2013 12:23pm

http://shoryuken.com/2013/01/07/bane-and-lex-luthor-revealed-in-injustice-gods-among-us/

Bane (grappler) and Luthor (gadget type, whatever that means) added to the roster. No vids yet. Bane looks comic, Luthor's in that horrible Iron Man knock off suit.

Nutrient · 08-01-2013 3:35pm

Doctor DooM wrote: »

http://shoryuken.com/2013/01/07/bane-and-lex-luthor-revealed-in-injustice-gods-among-us/

Bane (grappler) and Luthor (gadget type, whatever that means) added to the roster. No vids yet. Bane looks comic, Luthor's in that horrible Iron Man knock off suit.

Looks like señor Bane from noire batman series

Now every Dark knight fanboy scrub is gonna wanna play

deathrider · 08-01-2013 4:38pm

Another Batman character? Who'd have thunk it? :eek:

K.O.Kiki · 08-01-2013 9:54pm

deathrider wrote: »

Another Batman character? Who'd have thunk it? :eek:

Too much Bat family

Doctor DooM · 08-01-2013 11:08pm

I'm not getting this complaint about the bat family, no one was going "so many avengers" when Marvel came out...

K.O.Kiki · 08-01-2013 11:27pm

Where's The Question?

Doctor DooM · 09-01-2013 12:23am

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Where's The Question?

Which one?

Sairus · 09-01-2013 12:46am

Doctor DooM wrote: »

I'm not getting this complaint about the bat family, no one was going "so many avengers" when Marvel came out...

It's not really the same though. The Bat Family are all from a very localized portion of the DC Universe. X-men skirts the line by having 6 in Marvel, and despite the X-Men being a massive team in the comics there are already more Bat Family characters in Injustice.

The whole point of the Avengers is that it brings together heroes from a wide array of comics. No one would be complaining if there were too many Justice League members on the roster.

There are actually equal numbers Bat Family and Justice League members on the roster at the moment which is a fairly mental stat.

Scavenger XIII · 09-01-2013 12:59am

Makes sense though, isn't Batman by far DCs most popular character?

Like I said before, virtually anybody I'd want in the game is Batman-related. :pac:

Doctor DooM · 09-01-2013 1:05am

While it's geographically small, the bat family is a huge proportion of the DC universe in terms of fiction- heroes alone there's Nightwing, Knight and Squire, Robin, Red Robin, Red Hood, Azreal, Batgirl, Huntress and Batwoman who've gotten their own titles in the bat family. Off the top of my head! Some, like nightwing, often operate outside of the remit of the overarching bat-plot of the time.

There's entire teams, like the outsiders, split off out of Batman's family of comics.

While I'd certainly prefer something more suprising than either of these (frankly, boring choices- where's Lady Shiva? Black Canary? Etrigan the Demon?), I think Batman = money for DC, so we can't be suprised.

Sairus · 09-01-2013 1:17am

Yar, I'm not particularly interested in defending my point on this. Batman has by far the most interesting and popular characters in DCU and I would struggle to name more than a handful of other guys outside what Smallville has taught me. I do hope they focus more on the JLA with future character drops though, or even Teen Titans or Young Justice. They have a massively varied tapestry to choose from and it's just a shame to see them focus so heavily on one section.

Doctor DooM · 09-01-2013 1:40am

Sairus wrote: »

Yar, I'm not particularly interested in defending my point on this. Batman has by far the most interesting and popular characters in DCU and I would struggle to name more than a handful of other guys outside what Smallville has taught me. I do hope they focus more on the JLA with future character drops though, or even Teen Titans or Young Justice. They have a massively varied tapestry to choose from and it's just a shame to see them focus so heavily on one section.

TBH, I don't think we will see any more from the Titans or YJ- Nightwing, Cyborg and Deathstroke are all prominent members of the Titans and many of the other members of both would be very palette swappy (Impulse for Flash, Robin for nightwing, superboy for Superman, Speedy for Green Arrow etc)... but we can live in hope

Nutrient · 09-01-2013 1:11pm

Sairus wrote: »

It's not really the same though. The Bat Family are all from a very localized portion of the DC Universe. X-men skirts the line by having 6 in Marvel, and despite the X-Men being a massive team in the comics there are already more Bat Family characters in Injustice.

The whole point of the Avengers is that it brings together heroes from a wide array of comics. No one would be complaining if there were too many Justice League members on the roster.

There are actually equal numbers Bat Family and Justice League members on the roster at the moment which is a fairly mental stat.

Scavenger XIII wrote: »

Makes sense though, isn't Batman by far DCs most popular character?

Like I said before, virtually anybody I'd want in the game is Batman-related. :pac:

Doctor DooM wrote: »

While it's geographically small, the bat family is a huge proportion of the DC universe in terms of fiction- heroes alone there's Nightwing, Knight and Squire, Robin, Red Robin, Red Hood, Azreal, Batgirl, Huntress and Batwoman who've gotten their own titles in the bat family. Off the top of my head! Some, like nightwing, often operate outside of the remit of the overarching bat-plot of the time.

There's entire teams, like the outsiders, split off out of Batman's family of comics.

While I'd certainly prefer something more suprising than either of these (frankly, boring choices- where's Lady Shiva? Black Canary? Etrigan the Demon?), I think Batman = money for DC, so we can't be suprised.

Sairus wrote: »

Yar, I'm not particularly interested in defending my point on this. Batman has by far the most interesting and popular characters in DCU and I would struggle to name more than a handful of other guys outside what Smallville has taught me. I do hope they focus more on the JLA with future character drops though, or even Teen Titans or Young Justice. They have a massively varied tapestry to choose from and it's just a shame to see them focus so heavily on one section.

Doctor DooM wrote: »

TBH, I don't think we will see any more from the Titans or YJ- Nightwing, Cyborg and Deathstroke are all prominent members of the Titans and many of the other members of both would be very palette swappy (Impulse for Flash, Robin for nightwing, superboy for Superman, Speedy for Green Arrow etc)... but we can live in hope

**** all these lame douches

Where is Aquaman!?

deathrider · 09-01-2013 4:18pm

Nutrient wrote: »

**** all these lame douches

Where is Aquaman!?

He was originally going to be in MK Vs DCU, I believe. They said that they had a bunch of ideas for cool special moves using his trident and the likes, but they ended up dropping the idea because nobody takes him seriously.

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