Injustice- Gods Among Us discussion thread

1man3letters · 07-06-2012 5:33pm

more info...seems like the game will be working off a light medium heavy and a special char button

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2012-injustice-gods/731823

deathrider · 07-06-2012 5:41pm

I'm also not too sure about this clash deal. On the other hand though, back-to-block, and a light, heavy, special set-up is grand with me. I was playing SF since before MK, so I'm happy either way.

1man3letters · 07-06-2012 10:00pm

injustice has IN GAME FRAME DATA!!!! (source https://twitter.com/#!/vvv_cdjr)
it also has trades with normals unlike mk

this is awesome, this game shaping up to be epic,
really hope they include this stuff in next mk (minus back for block of course :rolleyes:)

1man3letters · 07-06-2012 11:14pm

just tweeted pako (paulo garica) to ask about the combo system in the game..

"it's a chain based / free style juggle system not link based." was the reply

Doctor DooM · 07-06-2012 11:23pm

lmhs chain based with a betting style mechanic... sounding more like Marvel

1man3letters · 08-06-2012 12:15am

Injustice Interview w/ Senior Producer Adam Urbano on day 2 of E3...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPRNQGngces

FutureGuy · 08-06-2012 10:48am

They seem to be stating that certain characters will be far better on certain stages. Whether you let players choose the stage or just randomly select it, it seems to be a feature that will not work well in a tournament environment.

UberPrinny_Baal · 08-06-2012 10:56am

FutureGuy wrote: »

They seem to be stating that certain characters will be far better on certain stages. Whether you let players choose the stage or just randomly select it, it seems to be a feature that will not work well in a tournament environment.

If possible, the Tournament scene for this game can just adopt the American Smash Bros scene approach.

For the first game in a set, only some stages (the "legal" ones) are allowed.

For the second game and subsequent games, the "counterpick" stages are available.

The remaining stages are banned.

Or the Japanese Smash Scene approach as far as I can remember is to ban all but the three stages that give no advantage to anyone.

This would of course all be dependent on Netherrealm making ENOUGH stages so that players have a decent selection, and specifically including a few symmetrical non-gimmicky stages for tournament play.

Sairus · 08-06-2012 12:15pm

Soul Calibur's stages also benefit different characters more than others due to some having limited or no ring out options.

All they do is randomly select a stage to begin with and then the loser gets to pick the next stage.

1man3letters · 08-06-2012 4:14pm

UberPrinny_Baal wrote: »

If possible, the Tournament scene for this game can just adopt the American Smash Bros scene approach.

For the first game in a set, only some stages (the "legal" ones) are allowed.

For the second game and subsequent games, the "counterpick" stages are available.

The remaining stages are banned.

Or the Japanese Smash Scene approach as far as I can remember is to ban all but the three stages that give no advantage to anyone.

This would of course all be dependent on Netherrealm making ENOUGH stages so that players have a decent selection, and specifically including a few symmetrical non-gimmicky stages for tournament play.

i really doubt that will happen though, the stages are being pumped up as one of the main parts of the game so a ban on them doesnt seem likely unless theres some really broken stuff for a certain stage

im dont have much know knowledge about the smash bros banning and such so cant really comment on it but my view on bans is, unless it is totally broken and breaks the game it shouldnt be banned

UberPrinny_Baal · 08-06-2012 5:43pm

1man3letters wrote: »

i really doubt that will happen though, the stages are being pumped up as one of the main parts of the game so a ban on them doesnt seem likely unless theres some really broken stuff for a certain stage

im dont have much know knowledge about the smash bros banning and such so cant really comment on it but my view on bans is, unless it is totally broken and breaks the game it shouldnt be banned

Don't forget Developer intent does not equal community desire (gems anyone?)

Hardcore players/tournament viability aren't where the money is; making an awesome spectacle so casual players will buy your game is.

Smash Bros Melee is super fun, and surprisingly deep, but it's basically a party game that Nintendo made that accidentally turned out to be a great competitive fighter. They seem to actively dislike the hardcore/competitive interpretation of their game, and tried to make it less viable with Brawl.

I seriously doubt Injustice would have stages with as significant an impact on gameplay as Smash Bros, but just to provide you with an example of why the bans are necessary:

(The only thing you really need to know about Smash Bros when looking at these levels is that you have lives (usually 3) and you lose a life every time you leave the screen)

Battlefield: Tournament Allowed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EVWauR1M-c

Final Destination: Tournament Allowed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0moeTRC9LI

Poké Floats: Banned

Icicle Mountain: Banned

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NPdt_xnleU

Why some are okay and some are not should be fairly evident.

1man3letters · 08-06-2012 6:39pm

very good point about the gems.

thanks alot for the videos, i see what u mean now,
the squirtle stage looks well messed up lol

DarkTalant · 08-06-2012 7:12pm

Sairus wrote: »

Soul Calibur's stages also benefit different characters more than others due to some having limited or no ring out options.

All they do is randomly select a stage to begin with and then the loser gets to pick the next stage.

Actually I believe tournament standard is that the loser can chose to randomly select the stage again or stick with the current one...

Sairus · 08-06-2012 7:30pm

DarkTalant wrote: »

Actually I believe tournament standard is that the loser can chose to randomly select the stage again or stick with the current one...

Oh woops! So it is!

I only looked that up a couple weeks ago too :pac:

1man3letters · 08-06-2012 7:36pm

explains how meter, clashes , health bars, rounds, clash will work

http://testyourmight.com/threads/gamespot-article-explains-meter-system-clashes-and-more.18128/

Sairus · 08-06-2012 8:55pm

TYM wrote: »

you can now hit-confirm into enhanced special moves.

The example given is one of Batman's specials has him grapple hook someone and slam them to the ground.
However once the hook connects, but before he slams them, you can burn one meter to have them bounce off the ground for comboing purposes.

Hit confirmable EXs is definitely an interesting thing.

Also, Harley having random items as her unique Trait. It's like they're going out of their way to make me hate her even more :pac:

1man3letters · 08-06-2012 10:47pm

Sairus wrote: »

Hit confirmable EXs is definitely an interesting thing.

they had this in mk vs dc aswell, it was pretty cool

like baraka would do his chop chop blades and be able to change the move at certain frames in the hit animation,i really liked it,
the sound effect it made when happened was cool too :pac:

edit,found a fix of it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTjhAqisHAc

Sairus · 11-06-2012 10:00pm

Siliconera has a wee bit of a writeup that does some details on character traits and stage interactions:

http://www.siliconera.com/2012/06/11/injustice-gods-among-us-is-more-like-blazblue-than-youd-expect/

Of special note is this:

Specials also seemed to be a bit more standardized, with down-back and down-forward and an attack button performing specials for just about everyone.

Another of my personal hatreds of MK taken out of this game. GGs NetherRealm.

Sairus · 20-06-2012 8:26pm

SRK have a fairly in depth article about this up now.

http://shoryuken.com/2012/06/20/shoryuken-e3-injustice-gods-among-us-preview/

It runs through their hands on time with it at E3 with a proper fighter's view on things.

1man3letters · 21-06-2012 10:56am

Sairus wrote: »

SRK have a fairly in depth article about this up now.

http://shoryuken.com/2012/06/20/shoryuken-e3-injustice-gods-among-us-preview/

It runs through their hands on time with it at E3 with a proper fighter's view on things.

was just going to post same link there, ya beat me to it

more and more i read about this game the more it sounds like blazblue/marvel
(im not saying thats a bad thing either btw)

Doctor DooM · 21-06-2012 11:12am

A lot of good things being mentioned about this game but the MK style combos coupled with the extreme sounding cinematics and the volume of them are making it sound like this could be a very frustrating game to play.

Kudos to the devs for trying so much different stuff though, they could have easily sold bajillions by basically making this an MK skin.

UberPrinny_Baal · 21-06-2012 11:21am

I think it was clever of them to implement the Blazblue: "Light, Medium, Heavy, Gimmick" button system. That's incredibly newbie friendly and makes people feel like they're awesome even when they don't know what they're doing.

I'm not sold on a purchase, but I'm definitely interested in playing it.

Only thing I dislike the sound of is the length of the cinematics.

1man3letters · 21-06-2012 12:18pm

Doctor DooM wrote: »

A lot of good things being mentioned about this game but the MK style combos coupled with the extreme sounding cinematics and the volume of them are making it sound like this could be a very frustrating game to play.

Kudos to the devs for trying so much different stuff though, they could have easily sold bajillions by basically making this an MK skin.

there has been talk off some stages being made that do not have those cinematics from changing from one part of the stage to the other but still have the environmental hazards, if this happens or not is another thing

yea i see how the mk combo system could put some off, prob same reason why i wouldnt like if it had a SF style combo system, its just whatever were used to i guess,
i did find it so funny in the SRK review they said "there aren't hit confirms,so to speak" because of this,there are hit confirms in mk already LMFAO!!!

Doctor DooM · 21-06-2012 12:38pm

1man3letters wrote: »

there has been talk off some stages being made that do not have those cinematics from changing from one part of the stage to the other but still have the environmental hazards, if this happens or not is another thing

yea i see how the mk combo system could put some off, prob same reason why i wouldnt like if it had a SF style combo system, its just whatever were used to i guess,
i did find it so funny in the SRK review they said "there aren't hit confirms,so to speak" because of this,there are hit confirms in mk already LMFAO!!!

I actually just meant that combos in MK tend to last a lot longer than, say, SF4, and coupled with the super/transition/ trade cinematics its all adding up in my mind to just too much time not actually playing. I would have said the same thing if they'd said comboing feels like blazblue/ UMvC! I've already been put off many newer FGs because of this. The only one I can tolerate it in for some reason is KoF (perhaps because even though combos are long, they're fast and long, if you get me).

Of course, it could turn out no one ever uses some of them, or that they're banned or as you say there's some stages with none and it feels good.

1man3letters · 21-06-2012 1:15pm

Doctor DooM wrote: »

I actually just meant that combos in MK tend to last a lot longer than, say, SF4, and coupled with the super/transition/ trade cinematics its all adding up in my mind to just too much time not actually playing. I would have said the same thing if they'd said comboing feels like blazblue/ UMvC! I've already been put off many newer FGs because of this. The only one I can tolerate it in for some reason is KoF (perhaps because even though combos are long, they're fast and long, if you get me).

Of course, it could turn out no one ever uses some of them, or that they're banned or as you say there's some stages with none and it feels good.

ah right i get what your saying now, i can dig it.
yea supermans super that was shown was crazy long, grundys and harley werent so bad length wise...but also not as cool looking and that what counts lol

yea i still dont know what to make of that trade system thing, hopefully it will be designed so it doesnt be happen a few times a round and what not, the double health bar instead of having two rounds is a strange one aswell.

i think this game might be the marmite of FGs when it comes out, people are either going to love all this new stuff or hate it and make them not want to play it

reading in the SRK review i like that batman has a instant air projectile, im well more interested in playing him now than my original choice of harley (of the four shown so far)

UberPrinny_Baal · 21-06-2012 2:09pm

1man3letters wrote: »

double health bar instead of having two rounds is a strange one aswell.

Killer Instinct did this as well.

I'm not sure how it affected balance or pacing or anything since that game was broken to all hell :pac:

1man3letters · 09-07-2012 2:16am

15 mins of footage from evo..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utJVXUaI84c

1man3letters · 11-07-2012 4:18pm

new trailer, hints on story details

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SziDloB_QrM

Doctor DooM · 12-07-2012 10:54am

Nightwing and Cyborg confirmed.

Nightwing, for those who don't know, is the first Robin all growded up.

Now now NRS, don't be doing the MK ninja thing and have the entire bat- family in the game

Cyborg is an interesting one, I would consider him a b-tier character for DC at best but they keep pushing him. Basically he's a dude who has a tragic accident. He gets loads of shiny robotic implants. Iron Man he is not though and despite being bumped up to the Justice league and appearing in Smallville I don't think he has what it takes to catch the public eye. He WILL make an interesting character for an FG though.

http://shoryuken.com/2012/07/11/nightwing-and-cyborg-join-the-injustice-gods-among-us-cast/

EDIT: Not sure about those health bars, but just personal opinion. I like them simple, straight and yellow/green. Nothing should in the tiniest way make it harder for you to check your health in the middle of a fight.

Sairus · 12-07-2012 1:41pm

Yar, I'm definitely not gone on the life bars in their current form. I'll give them a break until I see some actual direct feed footage though. A camera recording of a large reflective screen can often make things harder to read than they actually are. Having said that, having white health bars seems like a bad idea right off the bat. There are large patches of white skies in those stages, so it might be difficult to see them.

I'm still not gone on the character designs in this game, but at least Cyborg slots nicely into NRS' design aesthetic.

UberPrinny_Baal · 12-07-2012 8:00pm

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Nightwing and Cyborg confirmed.

Cyborg is an interesting one

This is all you need to know:

Jun_DP101 · 12-07-2012 10:04pm

UberPrinny_Baal wrote: »

This is all you need to know:

what a beast, I know who I'm maining now

deathrider · 16-07-2012 10:09pm

The latest gameplay trailer makes the game look like a lot of fun. Tons of juggle-combo potential by the looks of things. Personally though, I'm more interested in Boon saying that if all goes well with this game, NRS's next game won't be a fighter. Linky!

Sairus · 16-07-2012 10:33pm

deathrider wrote: »

I'm more interested in Boon saying that if all goes well with this game, NRS's next game won't be a fighter.

Aw man, that'll be awesome.

deathrider · 17-07-2012 12:44am

Sairus wrote: »

Aw man, that'll be awesome.

I'm kinda hoping it would be something completely new. A new IP altogether. I'd love to see what kinda madness he'd come up with. And just for the record, MK:SM was a hell of a fun game!

1man3letters · 22-08-2012 10:19pm

....thank the elder gods,

http://www.testyourmight.com/threads/clash-system-might-get-dropped.25357/

Doctor DooM · 22-08-2012 10:34pm

A good move I think!

Nutrient · 24-08-2012 1:28am

Doctor DooM wrote: »

A good move I think!

Tis, now add Doomsday and make em S tier then we're good

Doctor DooM · 24-08-2012 11:20am

Nutrient wrote: »

Tis, now add Doomsday and make em S tier then we're good

Yeah, I like my DC and I want to see Doomsday, Deathstroke and Darkseid or the like as the bad guys in games like this, not harvey and sodding catwoman, who're in for name brand but don't make for inspiring FG fodder.

Doyler01 · 24-08-2012 11:56am

Hoping Raven gets into this. The original emo.

I would say Cap, but it's wrong to wish such an unfair beating upon these DC frauds.

Doctor DooM · 24-08-2012 12:40pm

Doyler01 wrote: »

Hoping Raven gets into this. The original emo.

I would say Cap, but it's wrong to wish such an unfair beating upon these DC frauds.

You could get Uncle Sam:

or Zeus forbid, the Guardian:

1man3letters · 24-08-2012 11:41pm

only two chars i really NEED in this game are swamp thing and V,
theres prob more of a chance of swamp thing than V though.
#thatalanmooredrama

Doctor DooM · 24-08-2012 11:51pm

Putting V in would be more trouble than it's worth and he doesn't even exist in the same continuity.

Swamp Thing very technically does now, but it's still not likely.

1man3letters · 24-08-2012 11:54pm

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Putting V in would be more trouble than it's worth and he doesn't even exist in the same continuity.

Swamp Thing very technically does now, but it's still not likely.

yea i know

there prob my fav chars i know of in DC land so its a shame.
used to love batman but being rich is a lame power :pac:

Nutrient · 25-08-2012 12:31am

1man3letters wrote: »

yea i know
there prob my fav chars i know of in DC land so its a shame.
used to love batman but being rich is a lame power :pac:

Too much Nostalgia

1man3letters · 25-08-2012 12:45am

Nutrient wrote: »

Too much Nostalgia

haha i put that video in a swamp thing petition thread i made,epic intro theme.
im going up in my attic later to see if i can find my swamp thing figures lol

deathrider · 20-09-2012 2:15am

This just in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO-ieU8RI30

Sairus · 20-09-2012 6:09am

deathrider wrote: »

This just in:

Was there anything new in that trailer?
Hopefully this'll be on display at TGS since I'll be wandering that way on Saturday

deathrider · 20-09-2012 11:47am

Sairus wrote: »

Was there anything new in that trailer?
Hopefully this'll be on display at TGS since I'll be wandering that way on Saturday

I haven't been keeping an eye on this for a while now, and this trailer still didn't make me "Wow!" at all. Be sure to report back if you do get to jam on it, Sai. I'm not mad excited about it, but I still reckon it would be good craic.

1man3letters · 26-09-2012 11:26pm

so seems set a April release has been set,
still alot of the roster is unknown.

the special edition comes with a 13" batman and wonder woman statue apparently also

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