BREAST FEEDING A 3 YEAR OLD !

forfuxsake · 12-05-2012 1:08pm

Dudess wrote: »

It's just weird IMO. The child is not an infant.

Only because we have made it weird trough socialisation. I see two men kissing and I think it's weird. Doesn't mean that they do or that it is any of my fúcking business what they do.:D

strangely though I see two girls guessing I think it's a perfectly natural expression of their lust.:)

Dudess · 12-05-2012 1:15pm

I'd defend to the last women who breastfeed babies in public using discretion, and lol at the morons who have a problem with it, but a walking/talking/doing child sucking their mother's tit, am I really being socialised?

Red Hand · 12-05-2012 1:19pm

Dudess wrote: »

I'd defend to the last women who breastfeed babies in public using discretion, and lol at the morons who have a problem with it, but a walking/talking/doing child sucking their mother's tit, am I really being socialised?

Could be worse. He could be drinking cow's milk straight from the pap!

phasers · 12-05-2012 1:22pm

my problem with it is :

They're implying that people who don't 'attachment parent' are inferior mothers

The way it's posed is clearly there to provoke a reaction. Why not just have a normal woman (not a sexy woman and a child who looks about 6) in a normal position?There's no closeness there, it looks like the opposite of attachment.

That child is going to get an awful slagging when he's older.

I have no problem with people breastfeeding for as long as both she and the child enjoy it, but lactation nazis who force their opinions on others give the side a really bad image.

Fenian Army · 12-05-2012 1:26pm

Looks a lot older than 3

Red Hand · 12-05-2012 1:29pm

Fenian Army wrote: »

Looks a lot older than 3

I'm reminded of Lord Robert in Game of Thrones. He must have been 10.

Shryke · 12-05-2012 1:35pm

If the child can formally ask to suck on a tit then the child is too old to be doing so and that is my opinion.

forfuxsake · 12-05-2012 1:41pm

Dudess wrote: »

I'd defend to the last women who breastfeed babies in public using discretion, and lol at the morons who have a problem with it, but a walking/talking/doing child sucking their mother's tit, am I really being socialised?

I think yes. You say that like it's something bizarre or sexual. A mother's tit is for a child to suck. We have become socialised into thinking that it is something sexual.(Me too)

Hunter gatherers breastfed until much later. In India today many mothers breastfeed until the child is 3. That we no longer do what our ancestors do is as a result of socialisation.

dotsman · 12-05-2012 1:51pm

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Hunter-gatherers breastfeed their kids for minimum of 2 years and up to 5 years. This was likely the case for most of human evolution.

People who think that's weird have a problem.

It's only very recently where the done thing is breastfeed for 6 months then shove the child in a creche. Now that's weird.

Hunter-gatherers also lived in caves and lived solely off wild animals and berries.

If your neighbour lived like that, would you not also think that he/she is weird?

It's 2012.

micropig · 12-05-2012 1:59pm

dotsman wrote: »

Hunter-gatherers also lived in caves and lived solely off wild animals and berries.

If your neighbour lived like that, would you not also think that he/she is weird?

It's 2012.

My neighbour lives like that, but meh, there's a recession on:P

grindle · 12-05-2012 2:01pm

dotsman wrote: »

It's 2012.

...an we've evolved past needing to hunt, gather berries, live in caves (or, we have different names for them now).
We haven't evolved past human breast-milk being the healthiest source of nutrition for a child.

forfuxsake · 12-05-2012 2:06pm

dotsman wrote: »

Hunter-gatherers also lived in caves and lived solely off wild animals and berries.

If your neighbour lived like that, would you not also think that he/she is weird?

It's 2012.

:rolleyes:

Shryke · 12-05-2012 2:20pm

forfuxsake wrote: »

dotsman wrote: »

Hunter-gatherers also lived in caves and lived solely off wild animals and berries.

If your neighbour lived like that, would you not also think that he/she is weird?

It's 2012.

:rolleyes:

No really it is.

Zulu · 12-05-2012 2:24pm

forfuxsake wrote: »

Hunter gatherers breastfed until much later.

You keep harping on about hunter gatherers. Hunter gatherers don't have supermarkets or refrigerators. Hunter gatherers also don't have toilet paper or tampons.
I'd advise caution to anyone who looks to our ancient past for life guidance in modern society.

dotsman · 12-05-2012 2:29pm

grindle wrote: »

...an we've evolved past needing to hunt, gather berries, live in caves (or, we have different names for them now).
We haven't evolved past human breast-milk being the healthiest source of nutrition for a child.

As we have also evolved past the need to breastfeed older children. Infants? no problem, but 5 year olds?

I started school when I turned 4. Should my mother have left work at lunch time every day to come in to my school and whip out her mammaries? I was in "play school" when I was 3. Do you think she should have done likewise?

Do you think I somehow suffered because she didn't do any of this?

As soon as a child is able to eat normal food, there is no need for breast milk.

forfuxsake · 12-05-2012 2:37pm

Shryke wrote: »

No really it is.

well done you. good boy.

forfuxsake · 12-05-2012 2:42pm

dotsman wrote: »

As we have also evolved past the need to breastfeed older children. Infants? no problem, but 5 year olds?

I started school when I turned 4. Should my mother have left work at lunch time every day to come in to my school and whip out her mammaries? I was in "play school" when I was 3. Do you think she should have done likewise?

Do you think I somehow suffered because she didn't do any of this?

As soon as a child is able to eat normal food, there is no need for breast milk.

I don't think you understand the difference between evolution and socialisation.

We have not evolved past the need for breastfeeding. We have created alternatives.

Children don't need to breastfeed at all. I never said they did.

Greentopia · 12-05-2012 2:48pm

I don't see any problem in mothers breast feeding kids up to 3 or 4 if that's what the mother and child wants. And I don't feel mothers should have to be 'discrete' about breast feeding in public either as if there's something to be ashamed or embarrassed about.
I don't mean stripping off topless like(!) but I don't see the need to cover up breasts when it's obvious there's a baby being fed.

forfuxsake · 12-05-2012 2:49pm

Greentopia wrote: »

I don't see any problem in mothers breast feeding kids up to 3 or 4 if that's what the mother and child wants. And I don't feel mothers should have to be 'discrete' about breast feeding in public either as if there's something to be ashamed or embarrassed about.
I don't mean stripping off topless like(!) but I don't see the need to cover up breasts when it's obvious there's a baby being fed.

Don't forget that people are forced to stare.:eek::eek::eek::eek:

KamiKazeKitten · 12-05-2012 2:50pm

I don't have a problem with her breastfeeding the kid at that age, but the poor lad will get some serious slagging when he's older for this.

pablomakaveli · 12-05-2012 3:24pm

I think doing it up to an age where the child will be able to remember it is wrong.

Who would like having the memory of sucking on their mams tits?

forfuxsake · 12-05-2012 3:26pm

pablomakaveli wrote: »

I think doing it up to an age where the child will be able to remember it is wrong.

Who would like having the memory of sucking on their mams tits?

I think it depends on the mam. Yummy Mummies should be forced to breastfeed until college, ugly should stop at 6 months.

Dudess · 12-05-2012 3:31pm

Greentopia wrote: »

And I don't feel mothers should have to be 'discrete' about breast feeding in public either as if there's something to be ashamed or embarrassed about.
I don't mean stripping off topless like(!) but I don't see the need to cover up breasts when it's obvious there's a baby being fed.

When I say discreet, the above is exactly what I mean - not showing any more boob than can be avoided.

Yakult · 12-05-2012 3:32pm

Shes a ride and let her do what she feels is right for the child.

Dudess · 12-05-2012 3:40pm

Yakult wrote: »

Shes a ride and let her do what she feels is right for the child.

Fat, plain woman doing so: "It's disgusting and look at the state of her."

eviltwin · 12-05-2012 3:42pm

I don't have a problem with extended breast feeding. I do have a problem with the article and the way its been posed, the tag line etc. I don't know what her point is but she has just made extended breast feeders look like nutters who want to get one up on other mothers.

Greentopia · 12-05-2012 4:16pm

Dudess wrote: »

When I say discreet, the above is exactly what I mean - not showing any more boob than can be avoided.

Fair nuff. And I see I spelled discreet wrongly in my post

grindle · 12-05-2012 4:16pm

dotsman wrote: »

As we have also evolved past the need to breastfeed older children. Infants? no problem, but 5 year olds?

I started school when I turned 4. Should my mother have left work at lunch time every day to come in to my school and whip out her mammaries? I was in "play school" when I was 3. Do you think she should have done likewise?

Do you think I somehow suffered because she didn't do any of this?

As soon as a child is able to eat normal food, there is no need for breast milk.

I don't think the last line is strictly true, but I do think that 2-4 shouldn't be seen as such an abnormal age-range, considering it very much is the norm, just not in our post-Victorian 'civilised' societies.
We can choose what's socially acceptable (often wrong, often right), but we can't choose what's biologically best.
I doubt there're any extra benefits past 4 bar a motherly bond that may or may not effect the child's psyche, either positively or negatively.
Either way, I'm not a massive fan of the extreme-extenders, but there's zero wrong with a 3 year-old being fed what's best.

Dudess · 12-05-2012 4:49pm

Greentopia wrote: »

Fair nuff. And I see I spelled discreet wrongly in my post

I wasn't pointing that out btw - I don't know did you spell it wrong either. I've seen "discrete" - maybe it's spelt two ways.

Teyla Emmagan · 12-05-2012 5:04pm

Dudess wrote: »

I wasn't pointing that out btw - I don't know did you spell it wrong either. I've seen "discrete" - maybe it's spelt two ways.

Discrete is different word entirely, it means 'separate'.

prinz · 12-05-2012 8:32pm

Dudess wrote: »

Fat, plain woman doing so: "It's disgusting and look at the state of her."

Pretty much spot on. It's no coincidence that quite a number of posts on this thread have referred to the mothers looks.

Whatever about the concept for extended breastfeeding (no need for it in my IMO, the kid should be eating a diet of solids etc, any benefit from breast milk at his age could be gotten from other sources) the woman in the picture is an attention seeker and as far as I'm concerned abusing her son to promote herself, according to a BBC article she has a blog about breastfeeding her son, including pics of her breastfeeding him at Hugh Hefner's Playboy Mansion which according to her is the most natural place in the world to breastfeed. Reminds me of the dopey bint who outed her 7 year (IIRC) as being gay for a bit of online attention.

Dudess · 12-05-2012 8:40pm

forfuxsake wrote: »

I think yes. You say that like it's something bizarre or sexual.

I do think it's bizarre past toddler stage. And that's pushing it. I don't think of it as sexual though. Although I reckon breasts themselves are sexual (they're pleasure organs after all) in addition to being functional - but it depends on context. Mother nature or whomever must have been having a laugh when they invented an organ that both feeds babies and gives sexual pleasure. :eek: :pac:

A mother's tit is for a child to suck.

Yes, but there's a cut-off point. Why, when the child has teeth and can eat solids, when the gruelling feeding regime of infant-hood is no longer required (one of the benefits of breastfeeding - the convenience of it) is it necessary to latch the kid onto the boob for nom-nom time. In terms of the nutrients - express?
Personally, I would treat breastfeeding the same way as nappies - a healthy child could remain wearing nappies until they're four/five, but there is a cut-off point.

forfuxsake · 12-05-2012 8:45pm

prinz wrote: »

Pretty much spot on. It's no coincidence that quite a number of posts on this thread have referred to the mothers looks.

Whatever about the concept for extended breastfeeding (no need for it in my IMO, the kid should be eating a diet of solids etc, any benefit from breast milk at his age could be gotten from other sources) the woman in the picture is an attention seeker and as far as I'm concerned abusing her son to promote herself, according to a BBC article she has a blog about breastfeeding her son, including pics of her breastfeeding him at Hugh Hefner's Playboy Mansion which according to her is the most natural place in the world to breastfeed. Reminds me of the dopey bint who outed her 7 year (IIRC) as being gay for a bit of online attention.

A newborn's milk could be got from other sources, but that is no reason not to breastfeed.

The woman could well be an attention seeker but it shouldn't distract from the fact that breastfeeding a three-year old is natural. That we have become socialised to believe it not to be doesn't make it unnatural.

Dudess · 12-05-2012 8:46pm

prinz wrote: »

It's no coincidence that quite a number of posts on this thread have referred to the mothers looks.

To be fair, she is very good-looking - but it's gas how (apart from the jokes) some geniuses are defending her based on those looks.

the woman in the picture is an attention seeker and as far as I'm concerned abusing her son to promote herself, according to a BBC article she has a blog about breastfeeding her son, including pics of her breastfeeding him at Hugh Hefner's Playboy Mansion which according to her is the most natural place in the world to breastfeed. Reminds me of the dopey bint who outed her 7 year (IIRC) as being gay for a bit of online attention.

Not sure I'd call it abuse, but yeah, what a seriously attention-seeking gimp. Seems like she's on a mission to make breastfeeding sexy. Doubtless you could get more vacuous tbh. Some eejits will lap it up though... because she's hot.

Dudess · 12-05-2012 8:48pm

forfuxsake wrote: »

A newborn's milk could be got from other sources, but that is no reason not to breastfeed.

The woman could well be an attention seeker but it shouldn't distract from the fact that breastfeeding a three-year old is natural. That we have become socialised to believe it not to be doesn't make it unnatural.

I don't think people are disputing it's natural - although at what age does it become unnatural? Or is it natural even when the child is 19 and the mother is 40 because it's mother and child?
It's more the fact that it's unnecessary and strange after toddler stage - yeah maybe I'm conditioned, but there are a lot of natural things that have evolved to become unacceptable.

forfuxsake · 12-05-2012 8:58pm

Dudess wrote: »

I don't think people are disputing it's natural - although at what age does it become unnatural? Or is it natural even when the child is 19 and the mother is 40 because it's mother and child?
It's more the fact that it's unnecessary and strange after toddler stage - yeah maybe I'm conditioned, but there are a lot of natural things that have evolved to become unacceptable.

Sorry I can't argue with that. To suggest that we have evolved past breastfeeding three-year-olds is racism.

Why is it racist? Because in the west, we have not evolved anymore than other humans alive today. That many Indians breastfeed at three does not make them less evolved than us.:mad:

That you, and I, consider it weird or strange for three-year olds to breastfeed means that we have become socialised or conditioned to the idea that it is not normal. It has got sweet FA to do with evolution and any suggestion that not breastfeeding a three-year old is a factor of evolution suggests a misunderstanding of what evolution actually is.

The average age across the globe for mothers to breastfeed is four years old. To suggest that women who do this are less evolved is repugnant.

Local-womanizer · 12-05-2012 8:59pm

I would ask my doctor for advice tbh.

And children can gain healthy nutrients from parents providing good food.

Once the teeth come in they should be on solids I think.

forfuxsake · 12-05-2012 9:00pm

Dudess wrote: »

To be fair, she is very good-looking - but it's gas how (apart from the jokes) some geniuses are defending her based on those looks.

Not sure I'd call it abuse, but yeah, what a seriously attention-seeking gimp. Seems like she's on a mission to make breastfeeding sexy. Doubtless you could get more vacuous tbh. Some eejits will lap it up though... because she's hot.

:rolleyes:

Dudess · 12-05-2012 9:02pm

Knew you'd spot it! :pac:

Ah but you don't really "lap" breastmilk do ya?

prinz · 12-05-2012 9:07pm

forfuxsake wrote: »

To suggest that women who do this are less evolved is repugnant.

Can you tell the difference between people evolving themselves, and evolving attitudes?

Dudess · 12-05-2012 9:08pm

forfuxsake wrote: »

in the west, we have not evolved anymore than other humans alive today. That many Indians breastfeed at three does not make them less evolved than us.:mad:

They breastfeed past toddler stage because they don't have as much money and supermarkets as we do, not because they're less evolved. If a woman wants to breastfeed her child past toddler stage here, more power to her, but it's not necessary, seeing as there is a cut-off point anyway.
I watched a controversial documentary a few years back about mothers who breastfeed up to when the kids are nine/ten and it was pretty weird stuff - the kids were obsessed with sucking boobs. One girl said she was looking forward to having boobs when she was older, so that she could breastfeed herself.

forfuxsake · 12-05-2012 9:15pm

prinz wrote: »

Can you tell the difference between people evolving themselves, and evolving attitudes?

yes, only one of them is evolution though. You can talk about the evolution of cars, computers or attitudes but in this sense the term evolution is being used a metaphorical synonym for change.

Evolution is a biological process. You can learn all about it online or in a book.

forfuxsake · 12-05-2012 9:17pm

Dudess wrote: »

They breastfeed past toddler stage because they don't have as much money and supermarkets as we do, not because they're less evolved. If a woman wants to breastfeed her child past toddler stage here, more power to her, but it's not necessary, seeing as there is a cut-off point anyway.
I watched a controversial documentary a few years back about mothers who breastfeed up to when the kids are nine/ten and it was pretty weird stuff - the kids were obsessed with sucking boobs. One girl said she was looking forward to having boobs when she was older, so that she could breastfeed herself.

I don't know if it is because they have less money or supermarkets but it is certainly not because they are less evolved.

forfuxsake · 12-05-2012 9:20pm

If anyone is reading this and considering extended breastfeeding I would suggest that you ignore everything here and read this:

http://www.babycentre.co.uk/baby/breastfeeding/extendedbreastfeeding/

prinz · 12-05-2012 9:22pm

forfuxsake wrote: »

Evolution is a biological process. You can learn all about it online or in a book.

So you can tell the difference you just deliberately try to misrepresent other posters in order to get upset about something they never said. I see.

El_Dangeroso · 12-05-2012 9:26pm

Dudess wrote: »

They breastfeed past toddler stage because they don't have as much money and supermarkets as we do

I really want to believe you said this as a throwaway statement dudess and actually gave it no serious thought at all because otherwise it comes across as a very weird thing to say indeed.

Breastfeeding a baby requires extra calories consumed by the mother. It's a zero sum game when it comes to money, arguably less efficient than just weaning completely to solids.

Also the notion that a tesco deficiency is the reason women in the third world breastfeed longer than those in the west is one of the more ignorant statements I've heard on the subject.

Johro · 12-05-2012 9:27pm

I have a friend who breastfed her daughter past her third year because whenever she got food other than breast milk she got sick, and after countless tests by hospital doctors it was finally confirmed that she suffers from cystic fibrosis, which is why she can't digest food properly and has to have enzymes with anything she eats.
At the time, people thought she was weird for still breastfeeding, people who's business it really wasn't got real annoyed about it, but now doctors reckon she does much better than a lot of people with CS and her immune system is stronger because she had a better start having been breastfed for that time.

grindle · 12-05-2012 9:38pm

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Also the notion that a tesco deficiency is the reason women in the third world breastfeed longer than those in the west is one of the more ignorant statements I've heard on the subject.

I think Dudess meant it more as a work/home life convenience deficiency? Could be wrong though.

Johro · 12-05-2012 9:52pm

From the link posted a few posts above this one:
'The average length of time mums breastfeed their children across the globe is about four years.'
I'd imagine this is true mostly in poorer parts of the world, it's around two years or less for most Western mums.

flutterflye · 12-05-2012 9:56pm

Breast is best and so on blah blah blah.
But at 3+, it's just weird.
I don't think it's weird due to sexualisation etc...
Just that the child simply does not need it, has a full set of teeth, can use a cup on it's own and is gaining independence and so on.
It can walk over to it's mother, ask for milk in a full sentence using please and thank you, pull down her top himself, suck away, and put the top back up.
Then there's the importance of socialising and social norms at that age for understanding the world, the self, and making friends and so on.
Especially at 4+ and the child is in school.

BREAST FEEDING A 3 YEAR OLD !

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