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Hidden Gems

  • 13-04-2013 12:20pm
    #1
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭


    not so long ago you could go out and about on the rail system and come up with some forgotten bit of rolling stock or whatever. Now that IE seems so sanitanised, is there anything left out there of interest, historical or otherwise that you may stumble across?

    An example would be the beautiful old coach that used to be alongside the road in Waterford, a clerestory if my memory serves me right and in use maybe as a mess or office.That would have been perhaps 15 to 20 years ago


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  • #2
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,522 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    is that mouldy tram still in a garden in Dalkey somewhere?

    A look over the wall at the North Wall depot still yields some Mk3s and random obsolete wagons doesn't it?


  • #3
    Judgement Day
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    is that mouldy tram still in a garden in Dalkey somewhere?

    A look over the wall at the North Wall depot still yields some Mk3s and random obsolete wagons doesn't it?

    30cno6c.jpg

    The 'mouldy tram' above was in fact the Directors Tram from the Dublin United Tramway Company and ended up in a Dalkey piggery thanks to political connections. It was completely wrecked during its later years as a farm office in the piggery. Ultimately its burnt remains were 'donated' in mysterious circumstances to the "National Transport Museum" in Howth. Earlier thread here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=62916488

    I know the whereabouts of quite a number of undocumented vehicles but won't be revealing them here for obvious reasons. No doubt they will return to earth in due course.


  • #4
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    30cno6c.jpg


    I know the whereabouts of quite a number of undocumented vehicles but won't be revealing them here for obvious reasons. No doubt they will return to earth in due course.

    could you expand on that at all without giving away too much?


  • #5
    Judgement Day
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    PM sent.


  • #6
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    thanks for theM JD. I would never have guessed there was a rake of laminates hidden in the phoenix park tunnel!


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  • #7
    Eiretrains
    Registered Users Posts: 270 ✭✭Eiretrains


    Here's one I've always wondered about. Is this holiday home in Youghal a former railway carriage (presumably narrow gauge origins) and if so any takers on what railway it's from?
    http://goo.gl/maps/UVESs


  • #8
    Captain Chaos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    A look over the wall at the North Wall depot still yields some Mk3s and random obsolete wagons doesn't it?

    All the old wagons have been scrapped and cut up. The oldest things left on the network is one rake of the ballast wagons with a plow van at each end. They
    limited to 35mph.

    I think the only interesting things left is the weedsprayer train and the odd custom sperry wagon and the various track maintenance vehicles of the PWD.


  • #9
    gobnaitolunacy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    Eiretrains wrote: »
    Here's one I've always wondered about. Is this holiday home in Youghal a former railway carriage (presumably narrow gauge origins) and if so any takers on what railway it's from?
    http://goo.gl/maps/UVESs

    They're Cork & Muskerry origin, with alternate windows blocked up...http://www.flickr.com/photos/be216cd1/8439209366/
    I think there was once a few more around Redbarn according to the Newham Muskerry book. A lot of interesting things ended up around the holiday homes in Crosshaven (Crosser to locals) incl ancient old buses, most if not all are gone now, but there's what looks like a CB&PR ng wagon serving as a garden shed in Crosshaven itself if you know where to look!


  • #10
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    there were a few old coach bodies in a school in West Cork, can't think of the name of the village, Gael Tacht area south from Macroom. innis something


  • #11
    gobnaitolunacy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    corktina wrote: »
    there were a few old coach bodies in a school in West Cork, can't think of the name of the village, Gael Tacht area south from Macroom. innis something

    Do you mean the shot of MGWR/GSWR six wheeler bodies used as dorms in Ballingeary? They're gone with 10 or 12 years. Had enquired about getting one but they had none of it, they burnt them to get rid of them.
    Or are there more somewhere else that I'm unaware of?


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  • #12
    flazio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,250 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Just off J16 on the M6 is this former station, you can just about see it on the motorway itself.
    http://goo.gl/maps/jSPVh


  • #13
    Judgement Day
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    flazio wrote: »
    Just off J16 on the M6 is this former station, you can just about see it on the motorway itself.
    http://goo.gl/maps/jSPVh

    Wow, the last time I was at Dunsandle it was a peaceful place in the middle of nowhere. :eek:


  • #14
    Eiretrains
    Registered Users Posts: 270 ✭✭Eiretrains


    Thanks, very interesting regarding the Youghal carriages, even more interesting its off the Muskerry!
    gobnaitolunacy wrote: »
    there's what looks like a CB&PR ng wagon serving as a garden shed in Crosshaven itself if you know where to look!
    Do you mean this one? I snapped it a few years back, appears to be still there captured on Google.

    Enjoying this thread, very interesting. Pity Dunsandle isn't same as used to be, that's two major roads now sliced through the former Loughrea branch.


  • #15
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    gobnaitolunacy wrote: »
    Do you mean the shot of MGWR/GSWR six wheeler bodies used as dorms in Ballingeary? They're gone with 10 or 12 years. Had enquired about getting one but they had none of it, they burnt them to get rid of them.
    Or are there more somewhere else that I'm unaware of?

    that would be they...is ir really that long ago!


  • #16
    gobnaitolunacy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    corktina wrote: »
    that would be they...is ir really that long ago!

    Maybe longer, the builders plates were missing, but some had 'GSWR' cast into the luggage racks and there was one with a very nice frosted glass with 'SMOKING' etched into it. The compartments were partly cut back and some basic wash up facilities and cheap iron bunk beds put in, but the timber panels was starting to come off, general mowldy smell off them with the damp bedding etc and local kids were starting to break the windows by that stage.:(

    Eiretrains, that's the very wagon I was talking about.


  • #17
    Eiretrains
    Registered Users Posts: 270 ✭✭Eiretrains


    I think this collection at Halfway west of Cork (overshadowed by the former CBSCR line) is widely known, but can anyone explain the origins of the 6-wheel carriage, is MGWR or GSWR?
    http://goo.gl/maps/jXePi


  • #18
    Judgement Day
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Eiretrains wrote: »
    I think this collection at Halfway west of Cork (overshadowed by the former CBSCR line) is widely known, but can anyone explain the origins of the 6-wheel carriage, is MGWR or GSWR?
    http://goo.gl/maps/jXePi

    CIE Departmental 234a - ex.WL&WR recovered from Tipperary to Mallow in 1983. I'll have to check my files for more info.


  • #19
    gobnaitolunacy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    Afaik, the original intention was to put the rail collection on a piece of track ON the viaduct itself, the farmer who owned the land surrounding it (quite understandably) objected!
    They've a nice old green CIE doubledecker bus, but it's looking very sorry for itself left out in the elements. Why they can't put it in a shed is beyond me.


  • #20
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    years ago when I was on the Committee of a car club, they had an Ambulance made from an estate car of the marque we were interested in which was roting in their yard for ages, we offered to buy, rent or otherwise take it on, with a view to restoring it. They said no, and I guess it's scrap by now. I believe it's another "one man band" type place of which several examples spring to mind.


  • #21
    islanderre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 714 ✭✭✭islanderre


    This is the Loco that's @ Dunsandle just of the Loughrea / Kiltullagh junction on the M6.
    [IMG][/img]p1020886z.jpg
    and
    [IMG][/img]p1020883d.jpg

    Their is also a tanker carriage their and an old carraige....... will get photos when its a bit warmer!!!!!


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  • #22
    Judgement Day
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Is that a recent pic? The paintwork looks better than previous photos posted on Boards. :)


  • #23
    Eiretrains
    Registered Users Posts: 270 ✭✭Eiretrains


    That's really nice to see E428, looks like it was given a real spruce up.


  • #24
    islanderre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 714 ✭✭✭islanderre


    Took them two photos about two weeks ago from the car!!!!! Was too cold to get out plus was feeling lazy!!!!!!!!

    Loco is looking fresh..... reckon it got a coat of paint recently.

    Should be passing again an a few weeks and will get a few more snaps.


  • #25
    Judgement Day
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    CIE Departmental 234a - ex.WL&WR recovered from Tipperary to Mallow in 1983. I'll have to check my files for more info.

    Waterford, Limerick & Western Railway #907 - date will be in GSWR Carriage Diagrams (1975) Pender & Richards.

    ISBN 090155202X, 9780901552020


  • #26
    Rocky Bay
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 276 ✭✭Rocky Bay


    gobnaitolunacy wrote: »
    They're Cork & Muskerry origin, with alternate windows blocked up...http://www.flickr.com/photos/be216cd1/8439209366/
    I think there was once a few more around Redbarn according to the Newham Muskerry book. A lot of interesting things ended up around the holiday homes in Crosshaven (Crosser to locals) incl ancient old buses, most if not all are gone now, but there's what looks like a CB&PR ng wagon serving as a garden shed in Crosshaven itself if you know where to look!
    ...on the road up to Fort Meagher, right side of the road? When I was a child there was an old doubledeck bus in the same area and up till about 15 years ago I used to remember the exact spot, but not any more!


  • #27
    gobnaitolunacy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    A similar thread on IRN...

    http://irnirishrailwaynews.yuku.com/topic/1310/Where?page=100

    A SL&NC bogie that was refused to Downpatrick when it was half decent...it's a right piece of cr*p now. :(


  • #28
    gobnaitolunacy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    Rocky Bay wrote: »
    ...on the road up to Fort Meagher, right side of the road? When I was a child there was an old doubledeck bus in the same area and up till about 15 years ago I used to remember the exact spot, but not any more!

    There was a thread on the buses site Garaiste bemoaning the demolition of a bus around Crosshaven a few years ago, may have even been the same one?


  • #29
    Eiretrains
    Registered Users Posts: 270 ✭✭Eiretrains


    I was looking at some old photos of Rathmore recently, am I right in saying there used to be a grounded carriage body there too? Think it was on the down platform by the goods shed, but looking at recent pictures it appears to have disappeared, anyone know the origins of it?


  • #30
    gobnaitolunacy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    Eiretrains wrote: »
    I was looking at some old photos of Rathmore recently, am I right in saying there used to be a grounded carriage body there too? Think it was on the down platform by the goods shed, but looking at recent pictures it appears to have disappeared, anyone know the origins of it?

    I don't think so, I think all that was was an arc roofed shed that sprouted out the goods store gable end.

    Appeared far too wide to have been a wagon to me.


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  • #31
    Eiretrains
    Registered Users Posts: 270 ✭✭Eiretrains


    I thnk you're right, on closer inspection it appears to be a one of those long corrugated iron sheds but with an arc roof.:P


  • #32
    gobnaitolunacy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    There used be a grounded 6 wheeler at the Sugar Factory sidings in Mallow, have a pic of it somewhere.
    Gone with about 10 years or so now, it had a birdcage type lookout.


  • #33
    Judgement Day
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    gobnaitolunacy wrote: »
    There used be a grounded 6 wheeler at the Sugar Factory sidings in Mallow, have a pic of it somewhere.
    Gone with about 10 years or so now, it had a birdcage type lookout.

    It was a GSWR birdcage brake alright, another of my purchases that never made it.


  • #34
    gobnaitolunacy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    It was a GSWR birdcage brake alright, another of my purchases that never made it.


    You should have used the bigger shopping trolley.


  • #35
    The True Puka
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 28 ✭The True Puka


    The Dromod railway graveyard is home to a few gems really. I paid a visit last September.
    Quite interesting place if only it was run properly. In fairness the Dromod saga went to the circus as soon as old ambulances and bits of airplanes started showing up.
    They have a 121 cab there.


  • #36
    steamengine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭steamengine


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    30cno6c.jpg

    The 'mouldy tram' above was in fact the Directors Tram from the Dublin United Tramway Company and ended up in a Dalkey piggery thanks to political connections. It was completely wrecked during its later years as a farm office in the piggery. Ultimately its burnt remains were 'donated' in mysterious circumstances to the "National Transport Museum" in Howth. Earlier thread here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=62916488

    I know the whereabouts of quite a number of undocumented vehicles but won't be revealing them here for obvious reasons. No doubt they will return to earth in due course.


    JD - I am sure I am not the only person who would like to see you back posting here shortly ! ;)

    You probably know all about this 2011 DVD, available in Dublin City libraries and elsewhere. There is some rare footage in it of the Blessington and Lucan steam trams, the Director's tram above and ample footage of the DUTC trams around the city.

    It moves on to the Howth transport museum and the current overhaul of one of the Howth trams. Finally it gives a glimpse of what could be here with a visit to a working heritage tram system in Newcastle. The video is interspersed with interesting anecdotals and interviews with the lads at the museum in Howth. For those who may be interested ..........

    Old Trams of Dublin 1868 - 1959 , is the title - well worth viewing.


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