Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2011-2012

hurler on de ditch · 19-03-2012 8:43pm

lovelypoint wrote: »

Seeing as we're in relegation territory, does anyone know what the story is, if ourselves and Galway finish on 4 points each, and Dublin on 2, what decides who will play Dublin - is it points difference between ourselves and Galway, or is it the head-to-head ?

For some reason, I presumed it was points difference, meaning that no matter what, it is ourselves and Dublin in the mix to decide relegation, but if it is the head-to-head, and we win both of our next games and Galway lose to KK in the last round, then it would be a Galway-Dublin relegation decider. A big ask, I know..

big if

crackinthewall · 19-03-2012 8:53pm

it apppears to me that there are a number of problems that are affecting waterfords progress to being realistic all ireland contenders... it is accepted in all sports that every once in a while a weak team will come along and defy the odds and win the championship.... that was the case in waterfords all irelands wins previously, when waterford beat kerry in walsh park in 21 football, when kerry beat waterford in senior munster hurling championship, when offaly beat kerry in all ireland football in the 1980's, denmark winning the europeans championships, and there are manny more.

the problems in waterford in my opinion are as follows:

1. as an outsider the lack of a parish rule has killed the standard of hurling in the county...... when the bigger clubs can pick the upandcoming young star of a small parish will only hinder the competivity between clubs

2. if there is a deeper analysis of the current panel, it shows that there is endless areas of weakness. starting at goalkeeping, the uncertainity of a true no. 1, the stability it brings, the lack of a true and proper no. 1 in the county will not change. in my opinion that o'keeffe lad should be given the outright responsibility and keep one of the other 2. the moving of brick to centre forward has left waterford with zero from the league. when do u put the best cb in the country to cf when cb is the most important position on the field.... i thought waterford folk would have realised that after the mauling in the munster final last year.... the mid field and forwards lack the physical presence the two top teams have.

3. the gaffer has not a clue.... i read recently in one of the papers ( independent i think) the lenghts he went to to justify his hurling "qualification"..... managing a mullinahone team that won a game in the south championship against the davins is not great considering an achievement of winning the county by breaking the toomevara hold of titles would be impressive. However he won a game. the dls county title is attributed to the players and indeed the club itself and not ml ryan. He is a ladies football man, simple. He also claims that being a selector with justin mccarthy prepared him but the dogs in the street know justin makes decisions by himself. waterford are in dire straights and 1b hurling is on the cards for the next couple of years.... further pusing back the progress required to compete at the highest level.

4. the stance that the players lack motivation and drive is absolutely shocking. in a division where 5 games are played and the top 3 finishing teams get through to the knock out stages..... is there any motivation required to get to that finishing position..... there should not be but it appears that the second half performances fail to ignite..... as unpopular davy fitz was they never laid down (they had shocking performances ok but never laid down) and it appears that seem to accept second best at moment.

5. if u look to the munster semi final that scenario could be as follows: waterford have been regulated to 1b after losing all that league games.... clare have been promoted after winning all there games and played a league final?? Throw in the davy fitz element.... 3 years of eating sleeping and breathing waterford hurling he will know what they each have for their breakfast... he will have his team fully briefed on what makes each waterford man tick and know how to get inside their head..... it could be very embarassing for waterford that day in thurles.

in essence the outlook for the next 3 to 5 years are not great... waterford have some fabulous hurlers but as a unit they fail to inspire.. take the county final last year it was nothing more than a challenge match pace which didnt raise the heartbeats of the supporters. OUTLOOK BLEAK

Deise Doodler · 19-03-2012 9:02pm

Just out of curiosity, dose anyone know if Eoin Kelly is back on the panel or not ?

deisebhoy17 · 19-03-2012 10:12pm

Deise Doodler wrote: »

Just out of curiosity, dose anyone know if Eoin Kelly is back on the panel or not ?

No but is due back

Black Suir · 19-03-2012 10:16pm

deisebhoy17 wrote: »

0-31 to 2-15. Not good enough, 31 points conceded. serious problems I dont care about injuries or any excuses serious questions should be asked after this

Maybe, but not as bad as 7 goals (21 points) in the Munster Final. Which will be remembered longer.

deisebhoy17 · 19-03-2012 10:17pm

parish girl wrote: »

Heard the players have requested a meeting with management tonight to address concern re training.
Training has not been up to the standard required at this level. Hence Ml Ryan is right to be concerned at the fitness levels. Unfortunately he doesn't seem to realise thats down to him. Reminds me a lot of end of Justins reign. Players not happy, and I've heard from people who have attended training sessions that it is more like a Junior B session with players barely breaking sweat.
I think we're going nowhere fast, but county board dont have the spine to deal with the problem and if there is to be a change they will wait for the players to rebel.
Agree with the poster who says no benefit to us playing in 1B. When is the right time to bring in new management. Is it after relegation, or after Clare beat us or should we see the year out for the sake of it. I'd say now

If this is true then its best iron these things out now rather than later in the championship. But tbh Its worrying I am losing faith with this management its becoming more and more apparant that the manager is out of his depth and dosent know what hes at. Hes interview after the game yesterday is worrying. While he says he identifies where were going wrong and aims to rectify it any manager worth his salt would have these basics in order right from the start.

Black Suir · 19-03-2012 10:27pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

Because Davy didn't want to stay.

BEcause he knew he no longer had the support of the majority of the officer board.

Black Suir · 19-03-2012 10:47pm

parish girl wrote: »

Heard the players have requested a meeting with management tonight to address concern re training.
Training has not been up to the standard required at this level. Hence Ml Ryan is right to be concerned at the fitness levels. Unfortunately he doesn't seem to realise thats down to him. Reminds me a lot of end of Justins reign. Players not happy, and I've heard from people who have attended training sessions that it is more like a Junior B session with players barely breaking sweat.
I think we're going nowhere fast, but county board dont have the spine to deal with the problem and if there is to be a change they will wait for the players to rebel.
Agree with the poster who says no benefit to us playing in 1B. When is the right time to bring in new management. Is it after relegation, or after Clare beat us or should we see the year out for the sake of it. I'd say now

I know Michael Ryan is the manager, and the buck lies with the boss/manager, but who takes the training is it Michael Ryan, or Brother Ryan, or Nicky Cashin. Maybe its Pat FLanagan who has trained teams, be it with a bigger ball to win Munster and All-Ireland Finals. Its well known that he is not able to attend every session. What is Jimmy Payne's involvement with the GAA. Did he play at any standard. I would say the training is down to one of the latter two, or maybe they are only doing the fitness work.

Mountainlad · 19-03-2012 11:28pm

DublinGAA96 wrote: »

Ringo hasn't been on the panel for 3 years at least(I think) and yet he's one of the 'main players' that your relying on when he returns? Come on lads. He can't surely be one of the key players to save our season can he?

Our second best option at corner back, very talented hurler that was marginalised under Davy. He could release Darragh Fives to wing back, something which needs to happen for himself and for Waterford.

Black Suir wrote: »

I know Michael Ryan is the manager, and the buck lies with the boss/manager, but who takes the training is it Michael Ryan, or Brother Ryan, or Nicky Cashin. Maybe its Pat FLanagan who has trained teams, be it with a bigger ball to win Munster and All-Ireland Finals. Its well known that he is not able to attend every session. What is Jimmy Payne's involvement with the GAA. Did he play at any standard. I would say the training is down to one of the latter two, or maybe they are only doing the fitness work.

Brother Ryan does the hurling side of it I think. Flanagan's role is strictly as a fitness trainer as he has no knowledge of hurling, his background is in football. Didn't even know Payne was still involved.

deisebhoy17 · 20-03-2012 12:13am

DublinGAA96 wrote: »

Ringo hasn't been on the panel for 3 years at least

He was on the panel last year, was injured alright the entire year before but was on the panel, and was a regular starter in 09 so you're completely wrong there

Deise Doodler · 20-03-2012 12:23am

Mountainlad wrote: »

Our second best option at corner back, very talented hurler that was marginalised under Davy. He could release Darragh Fives to wing back, something which needs to happen for himself and for Waterford.

Brother Ryan does the hurling side of it I think. Flanagan's role is strictly as a fitness trainer as he has no knowledge of hurling, his background is in football. Didn't even know Payne was still involved.

Pat Flanagan is only physical fitness, but his backround is athletics, involvment with football is due to his physical training with kerry teams, as far as I know played some hurling with Mount sion underage many years ago , Paynes job is to implement Flanagans programme during the week,

DublinGAA96 · 20-03-2012 12:33am

deisebhoy17 wrote: »

DublinGAA96 wrote: »

Ringo hasn't been on the panel for 3 years at least

He was on the panel last year, was injured alright the entire year before but was on the panel, and was a regular starter in 09 so you're completely wrong there

How can you be on the panel if your injured all year?

hurler on de ditch · 20-03-2012 8:05am

DublinGAA96 wrote: »

How can you be on the panel if your injured all year?

players had a lenghty meeting last night in carriganore,management were not involved for a good bit of that time,

deisebhoy17 · 20-03-2012 9:11am

DublinGAA96 wrote: »

How can you be on the panel if your injured all year?

Are u serious? He was an official panel member. Just because he got injured didnt mean he was omitted from the squad that would be an awful way to treat someone.

DeiseX · 20-03-2012 10:52am

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

players had a lenghty meeting last night in carriganore,management were not involved for a good bit of that time,

Go on.....

Mountainlad · 20-03-2012 12:09pm

Black Suir wrote: »

BEcause he knew he no longer had the support of the majority of the officer board.

He also knew he didn't have the support of the majority of the Waterford supporters or the players, and that he wouldn't be able to spend as freely as before.

Black Suir · 20-03-2012 12:44pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

Our second best option at corner back, very talented hurler that was marginalised under Davy. He could release Darragh Fives to wing back, something which needs to happen for himself and for Waterford.

(1) Brother Ryan does the hurling side of it I think. Flanagan's role is strictly as a fitness trainer as he has no knowledge of hurling, his background is in football. (2) Didn't even know Payne was still involved.

1. Maybe here-in lies the problem. I dont know the man so cant comment. I have only ever seen him attend a few games here and there. He was also involved with Davy Last years, I dont think he was involved in previous years. As I said i dont know the man, never spoken to him, and could be doing him an injustice.

2. Ya he is involved. He stands in for Pat Flanagan when he cant make it down from his base in Tralee.

Black Suir · 20-03-2012 12:52pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

He also knew he didn't have the support of the majority of the Waterford supporters or the players, and that he wouldn't be able to spend as freely as before.

Did what the Waterford suppurters think ever come into it. If it did, i dont think Davy would have had the job in 2011. If the supporters were listened to, the county board would have set up a sub committee with no member of the county board on it (without the chairman anyway) as some had gone public to say that Davy should be re-appointed.

Mountainlad · 20-03-2012 2:22pm

Black Suir wrote: »

Did what the Waterford suppurters think ever come into it. If it did, i dont think Davy would have had the job in 2011. If the supporters were listened to, the county board would have set up a sub committee with no member of the county board on it (without the chairman anyway) as some had gone public to say that Davy should be re-appointed.

Agreed but I'd say he had enough of the abuse and the Clare job was going to be there for him, and that's what he wanted anyway.

deisebhoy17 · 20-03-2012 7:07pm

At last some positive news

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mccarthy37 · 20-03-2012 10:23pm

If we pull of a win on Sunday all will be forgiven, I for one would love to see that happen. We are all down right now and I can assure you the Team and management must be feeling the heat. This League has been a disaster for us so far and we badly need a win, next Sunday will tell us a lot about where we are going.Lets hope for the best. I suggest all the panel read some of the comments over on the Galway website.

O Riain · 21-03-2012 11:04pm

kelly must be in good shape

lovelypoint · 21-03-2012 11:09pm

mccarthy37 wrote: »

If we pull of a win on Sunday all will be forgiven, I for one would love to see that happen. We are all down right now and I can assure you the Team and management must be feeling the heat. This League has been a disaster for us so far and we badly need a win, next Sunday will tell us a lot about where we are going.Lets hope for the best. I suggest all the panel read some of the comments over on the Galway website.

I think we'll need more than a win on Sunday to get us back on track, although a win on Sunday would be a timely boost and just the fuel we need for a recovery from this mess we are currently in. Staying in 1A has to be the priority, I think, and that means defeating Galway and the Dubs, which right now seems like quite a tall order.

Still though, the return of Mullane and Kelly is a timely boost, and will be hoping we can turn it around.

deisebhoy17 · 22-03-2012 9:13am

O Riain wrote: »

kelly must be in good shape

Or else Skully just feeling the heat. he needs everyone he can get at this stage.

solarith · 22-03-2012 5:35pm

I'm seeing on twitter that Nicky Cashin has stepped down as a selector.

hardybuck · 22-03-2012 5:39pm

solarith wrote: »

I'm seeing on twitter that Nicky Cashin has stepped down as a selector.

Christ, any detail?

I see Ryan was in the media again today cribbing about the huge amount of injured players that are unavailable to him. He just doesn't inspire any confidence either on or off the field at present.

solarith · 22-03-2012 5:50pm

hardybuck wrote: »

Christ, any detail?

I see Ryan was in the media again today cribbing about the huge amount of injured players that are unavailable to him. He just doesn't inspire any confidence either on or off the field at present.

Unverified rumours of "Ken McGrath coming on board as a coach" and "much dissatisfaction also with the county board" - whatever that means.

tweets were from: @ballyhea14, @johnfogartyirl and @damienrte

I don't think Ryan ever inspired confidence. He's being found out big time.

Mountainlad · 22-03-2012 5:54pm

hardybuck wrote: »

Christ, any detail?

I see Ryan was in the media again today cribbing about the huge amount of injured players that are unavailable to him. He just doesn't inspire any confidence either on or off the field at present.

Yeah his performance at full forward was shockin the last day...

solarith wrote: »

Unverified rumours of "Ken McGrath coming on board as a coach" and "much dissatisfaction also with the county board" - whatever that means.

tweets were from: johnfogartyirl and @damienrte

I don't think Ryan ever inspired confidence. He's being found out big time.

Now, where have I heard that name before :rolleyes:

solarith · 22-03-2012 5:58pm

?

Facts being facts, what's your point?

hardybuck · 22-03-2012 5:59pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

Yeah his performance at full forward was shockin the last day...

Well I'd consider on the field to be his performance on the line.

Mountainlad · 22-03-2012 6:00pm

solarith wrote: »

?

Facts being facts, what's your point?

Who said much dissatitisfaction with the county board...and what is the dissatisfaction with? Is it Cashin's resignation or Ken's appointment, or something else? Presuming that these are all facts by the way, which has not been confirmed, though I think Tiernan is a pretty reliable source.

Mountainlad · 22-03-2012 6:03pm

hardybuck wrote: »

Well I'd consider on the field to be his performance on the line.

I've seen him with his arms folded a few times, but wouldn't really criticise him for that as I tend to spend most of my time watching the match, and there's evidence of a reaction last Sunday with the positional changes made, so I don't think he spends all his time like that.

Are there people here suggesting that Nicky Cashin leaving is a sign of Michael Ryan not knowing what he's doing?

solarith · 22-03-2012 6:04pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

Who said much dissatitisfaction with the county board...and what is the dissatisfaction with? Is it Cashin's resignation or Ken's appointment, or something else? Presuming that these are all facts by the way, which has not been confirmed, though I think Tiernan is a pretty reliable source.

OK, point taken about 'dissatisfaction', could be anything, or made up. Impossible to confirm.

Tiernan contacted Tom Cunningham who confirmed the resignation. Also Diarmuid O Flynn was the one to mention Ken McGrath.

IMO, knowing Ken was a great player, I can't see him bringing anything to the coaching side of things. Or anything.

solarith · 22-03-2012 6:06pm

I'm quite sure hardybuck means his selection, etc. Not sure if you're trolling or just...

Regardless, would it be a coincidence with Kelly/Mullane returning and Cashin leaving?

hardybuck · 22-03-2012 6:10pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

I've seen him with his arms folded a few times, but wouldn't really criticise him for that as I tend to spend most of my time watching the match, and there's evidence of a reaction last Sunday with the positional changes made, so I don't think he spends all his time like that.

Are there people here suggesting that Nicky Cashin leaving is a sign of Michael Ryan not knowing what he's doing?

Ah well I'm not expecting him to be ranting and raving. Quite the opposite - I would appreciate a calm presence. However, I've been fairly unhappy with many of his selections, his positional and personnel changes, and the tactics he employs. Obviously plenty of that is done before match day, but a lot can be done during the game.

I think Cashin possibly leaving is a sign of the unrest within the camp. Ultimately Ryan is head of that organisation.

Mountainlad · 22-03-2012 6:10pm

solarith wrote: »

I'm quite sure hardybuck means his selection, etc. Not sure if you're trolling or just...

Regardless, would it be a coincidence with Kelly/Mullane returning and Cashin leaving?

I doubt that he does to be honest, because that would not be an action he's taken during the course of a game, which is what I assume he means by 'on the field', otherwise the comment doesn't make any sense at all. Not trolling.

I really do doubt that to be honest. I can't see that Mullane coming back would make someone leave unless they're crazy, and it'd suprise me with Kelly because if he really was passionate about being involved with Waterford he wouldn't lose the plot over one player. Maybe it's a contributing factor, but I dunno.

mccarthy37 · 22-03-2012 6:13pm

Heard all this talk at the weekend from people that attend county board meetings and I just put it down to all this loose talk that's doing the rounds lately. I think we should wait for a statement from the county board as all these rumour's are doing a lot of damage to us outside the county. I really hope they are only urban myth's because if they are true we have taken a step back to the mid '80s'. Hard to feel confident about the year ahead don't mind next Sunday. Who would want to be a Waterford manager.

Mountainlad · 22-03-2012 6:13pm

hardybuck wrote: »

I think Cashin possibly leaving is a sign of the unrest within the camp. Ultimately Ryan is head of that organisation.

Possibly, but that doesn't mean we should all jump to that conclusion. Unfortunately, it already seems inevitable that that will indeed be what happens.

There is the possiblity that maybe Cashin wasn't performing his role properly, and that he was asked to leave.

Possiblity is the important word in both scenarios.

Mountainlad · 22-03-2012 6:15pm

mccarthy37 wrote: »

Heard all this talk at the weekend from people that attend county board meetings and I just put it down to all this loose talk that's doing the rounds lately. I think we should wait for a statement from the county board as all these rumour's are doing a lot of damage to us outside the county. I really hope they are only urban myth's because if they are true we have taken a step back to the mid '80s'. Hard to feel confident about the year ahead don't mind next Sunday. Who would want to be a Waterford manager.

What rumours exactly? Ken coming in, and Cashin leaving? Why would it be a step back to the mid 80s?

hardybuck · 22-03-2012 6:17pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

Possibly, but that doesn't mean we should all jump to that conclusion. Unfortunately, it already seems inevitable that that will indeed be what happens.

There is the possiblity that maybe Cashin wasn't performing his role properly, and that he was asked to leave.

Possiblity is the important word in both scenarios.

Yeah very hard to speculate at this point. Could be disagreement about selections, unhappy with the players response to his methods, unhappy with county board, we'll have to wait and see.

What was Cashin's role anyway?

Mountainlad · 22-03-2012 6:19pm

hardybuck wrote: »

Yeah very hard to speculate at this point. Could be disagreement about selections, unhappy with the players response to his methods, unhappy with county board, we'll have to wait and see.

What was Cashin's role anyway?

Dunno to be honest. Thought he would be involved as a coach to a certain extent, and with Ken coming in as he goes that might give that theory weight. Anytime training has been mentioned, however, seems to be Brother Ryan who would be doing the skills coaching. Maybe they had two.

mccarthy37 · 22-03-2012 6:24pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

What rumours exactly? Ken coming in, and Cashin leaving? Why would it be a step back to the mid 80s?

All the match's we won then do you remember. I'm still hoping that its not true about Nicky otherwise we are going backwards.

Mountainlad · 22-03-2012 6:28pm

mccarthy37 wrote: »

All the match's we won then do you remember. I'm still hoping that its not true about Nicky otherwise we are going backwards.

I understood what you meant when you said going back to the mid 80s, I wasn't alive at the time, but I know what you mean. I was wondering what prompted the comment. You have a lot of faith in Cashin obviously, I'm not really in a position to comment on that because I actually know little enough about him. What I would say, though I know very little about his credentials as a coach, Ken is a well respected figure amongst the members of this team and his arrival may help boost morale a little and if there is any man management issues and communication difficulties between players and management, can may be the go to guy who can speak on behalf of both parties.

suitcasepink · 22-03-2012 6:37pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

I understood what you meant when you said going back to the mid 80s, I wasn't alive at the time, but I know what you mean. I was wondering what prompted the comment. You have a lot of faith in Cashin obviously, I'm not really in a position to comment on that because I actually know little enough about him. What I would say, though I know very little about his credentials as a coach, Ken is a well respected figure amongst the members of this team and his arrival may help boost morale a little and if there is any man management issues and communication difficulties between players and management, can may be the go to guy who can speak on behalf of both parties.

I assume he means more about the discontentment in the camp, questionable managers and undisciplined players?
Something just seems to go wrong when Waterford people manage Waterford, be it lack of respect or just no confidence..

solarith · 22-03-2012 7:24pm

deise_girl wrote: »

I assume he means more about the discontentment in the camp, questionable managers and undisciplined players?
Something just seems to go wrong when Waterford people manage Waterford, be it lack of respect or just no confidence..

I suppose we don't have many 'legends' or highly respected former players who are capable of being managers, who instantly have the respect of everyone else. Many one or the others, but not sure who ticks both boxes. I would consider Hartley in this area, though. Ken may be a legend but I don't think he could ever be a manager.

deisebhoy17 · 22-03-2012 7:36pm

solarith wrote: »

Not sure if you're trolling or just...

Mountainlad is not trolling he just cannot fathom any criticism of Michael Ryan whatsoever or of anyone from that general vicinity, for reasons unknown :rolleyes:...

When Michael Ryan went for the interview it was widely known that part of his plan was that hed be bringing Nicky Cashin in with him, in attempt to quell the argument that while Ryan himself was not really of a huge hurling pedigree, hed be bringing someone with him that was. But as Cashin had been selector for a good number of years under Justin and a lot of the panel would have been there for those years, was this really a fresh idea or a fresh face? Cashin and Ryan have been good friends since they were selectors under Justin in 07 and 08 (when they were part of the management team which was given a vote of no confidence by many of the current crop of players and subsequently ousted) so youd wonder was it the greatest idea from ryan or was it just a handy solution to increase his credentials for getting the job.

Either way we dont know the circumstances yet, but the bottom line is it dosent leave us in a great place. If the rumours of Ken McGrath coming in are true, then where does that leave ryan? Whos brining in Ken is it ryan or the co. board? Cashin was ryans man that was part of the deal when he was getting the job but if Ken is going training the team does this undermine ryans position? Ken coming in would be a popular decision amongst the players no doubt but once again were in turmoil and were in the news for all the wrong reasons

Mountainlad · 22-03-2012 9:22pm

solarith wrote: »

I suppose we don't have many 'legends' or highly respected former players who are capable of being managers, who instantly have the respect of everyone else. Many one or the others, but not sure who ticks both boxes. I would consider Hartley in this area, though. Ken may be a legend but I don't think he could ever be a manager.

But he's not manager, he's coming into help. We'll see how it pans out but I for one am happy to see Ken McGrath involved with Waterford, it's where he belongs!

deisebhoy17 wrote: »

Mountainlad is not trolling he just cannot fathom any criticism of Michael Ryan whatsoever or of anyone from that general vicinity, for reasons unknown :rolleyes:...

When Michael Ryan went for the interview it was widely known that part of his plan was that hed be bringing Nicky Cashin in with him, in attempt to quell the argument that while Ryan himself was not really of a huge hurling pedigree, hed be bringing someone with him that was. But as Cashin had been selector for a good number of years under Justin and a lot of the panel would have been there for those years, was this really a fresh idea or a fresh face? Cashin and Ryan have been good friends since they were selectors under Justin in 07 and 08 (when they were part of the management team which was given a vote of no confidence by many of the current crop of players and subsequently ousted) so youd wonder was it the greatest idea from ryan or was it just a handy solution to increase his credentials for getting the job.

Either way we dont know the circumstances yet, but the bottom line is it dosent leave us in a great place. If the rumours of Ken McGrath coming in are true, then where does that leave ryan? Whos brining in Ken is it ryan or the co. board? Cashin was ryans man that was part of the deal when he was getting the job but if Ken is going training the team does this undermine ryans position? Ken coming in would be a popular decision amongst the players no doubt but once again were in turmoil and were in the news for all the wrong reasons

So a selector left, and you think that a coach coming in is going to assume the role of the manager as a result?

Baffling logic.

I've criticised Michael Ryan on some accounts, however unlike some I'm level headed enough to know that people deserve a chance to show what they can do, and three months isn't much of a chance now is it? I'm also adamant that a change in management at this stage of the year would be effectively writing off this year, and could have disastrous connations for Waterford Hurling in 2012. The decision was made in Novemeber (or October), and it has to be held up.

Deisebhoy, you're a different class of muppet if you think, having supported Waterford since I was 8 and attended everything from Championship to league to challenge to club championship games, that blind parochial loyalty is what is fuelling the sentiment behind my posts. Thank god I am here, as we need somebody to provide some sort of balance here or else a few people here would have f*ckin petition launched to oust Ryan. Who in their right mind would take the job then?

The blue blaa · 22-03-2012 9:53pm

When the players turned up for training Monday Night one of the more experienced lads (Nice to be Nice wont mention who) said to Michael Ryan he thought it would be a good idea if they had a meeting first,because there was a few things needed to be discussed. So a meeting was called and the players expressed their concern as to the standard of training and all players agreed that their should be a defensive hurling coach and an attacking hurling coach. Ken's name was put forward as a hurling coach for the forwards. Nicky Cashin was supposedly a little emotional about this and said the players need to stand up and take the blame and that it was Typical Waterford blaming the coaches just like they got rid of Justin. The meeting lasted over an hour an a half so they didnt train until following night, an had a great session. Now i'm not saying this was the reason why Nicky left i was baffled when i heard he stepped down today i'm sure we'l hear more as week goes on, Nicky is a great coach, he's old style but effective,i wish him well.

IMHO- I dont think personally anyone incl. Ken or Fergal will be interested in joining ranks for the simple reason, at the moment it's a sinking ship..

Hopefully Ken or/and Fergal would be interested in coming onboard they'd certainly make a difference however big or small..
Also to the people that say Ken wouldnt make a good coach/selector/Manager lads this guy has played top level since 1996 and is one of the all time greats in my eyes. He has worked under Ger McCarthy,Justin McCarthy,Davy Fitz these men ALL contributed a lot to our hurling so in my eyes if he learned nothing from at least one of those i'l eat me socks:p

deisebhoy17 · 22-03-2012 10:17pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

So a selector left, and you think that a coach coming in is going to assume the role of the manager as a result? Baffling logic.

You know damn well thats not what im saying! One of the big factors in favour of Ryan getting the job was that he had Cashin as his right hand man so my argument is where does that leave him now? A new trainer coming in is basically saying that his training methods arent deemed good enough, thats all.

Am I a muppet because you disagree with my opinion or because you know Ive picked up on your bias towards Nire/Ballymac???

Its not about Michael Ryan your allegiance was apparant going way back. Anything negative mentioned about that area you throw a tantrum...... hence above

Mountainlad · 22-03-2012 10:24pm

deisebhoy17 wrote: »

You know damn well thats not what im saying! One of the big factors in favour of Ryan getting the job was that he had Cashin as his right hand man so my argument is where does that leave him now? A new trainer coming in is basically saying that his training methods arent deemed good enough, thats all.

Am I a muppet because you disagree with my opinion or because you know Im picked up on your bias towards Nire/Ballymac??? Its not about Michael Ryan your allegiance was apparant going way back. Anything negative mentioned about that area you throw a tantrum...... hence above

Listen Sherlock, you've made it farily apparent over the last while what you think you know, I'm really getting tired of telling you you're wrong at this stage. Maybe I should just not talk about anybody from that area anymore, getting sick of this.

Last year, I defended Clinton Hennessey and someone asked was I his son.

Ryan was never training the team. Who said that he didn't bring in Ken? I don't know what happened, but neither do you. Your like a tabloid journalist the way you're putting 2 and 2 together before any facts have been revealed.

So I'll answer the stupid question you keep asking me with one of my own...is the reason you keep trying to devalue my arguments by accusing me of parochialism because you disagree with me...or are you just a muppet?

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