The right honourable Liverpool v PSV Eindhoven before/during/afters match thread

ibh · 01-10-2008 10:43pm

mayordenis wrote: »

shut up mike back to the other topic - I have been informed that other than masch the following statments were made

Dirk Kuyt - "A donkey, but an admirable donkey"

Lucas - "A donkey", "Useless", "The worst Brazilian footballer of all time", "Just can't play"

Arbeloa - "A donkey, "awful"

Dossena - "Awful and a donkey"

He also stated that Kuyt cost £14m and Lucas £7m. I know the Kuyt figure is wrong and pretty sure Lucas was £5mish.

Ronnie also said that Rafa can't spot a player. Even Bill almost choked on that one and then Torres was mentioned!!!

Can't wait for RTE to bring in a Text comment line!!!

spockety · 01-10-2008 10:44pm

rossie1977 wrote: »

i thought brady was the best pundit rte had

i haven't watched dunphy talk rubbish since the inter game last year, that was classic, the guy is an idiot

And what is it about Brady that sets him apart from Dunphy, Giles, and Whelan?

He's still involved day to day in the game, that's what.

super_furry · 01-10-2008 10:53pm

The RTÉ panel is beyond parody now. Their schtick is a tired and worn out cliche and they're every bit as bad as the 'lovely player' Jamie Redknapp. Honestly is there anyone surprised or shocked when Dunphy and Whelan spout the same negative ****e evey single time Liverpool play?

_blank_ · 01-10-2008 10:55pm

It's not just Liverpool they rag on tbh. That's paranoia.

Did you hear Houghton last night about United?

And the lads in the studio too.

shane86 · 01-10-2008 11:10pm

Cant bate a Dunphy waffle :pac: I think he was desperate to find a moan in a pretty decent performance, to the level of labelling players good donkeys (a bit like calling someone an intelligent idiot).

Mr.Nice Guy · 01-10-2008 11:14pm

It's funny over on the BBC someone has basically plagiarised Dunphy's comments word for word...

OK, let me get this straight. This isn't a WUM article. This isn't even an article slating Liverpool.

But I would just like to tell you that in 6 months, Riera is going to be another Dirk Kuyt.

Benitez cannot buy proper footballers. He buys hard-working players that do the donkey work, like Javier Mascherano and Dirk Kuyt.

Now, there's nothing wrong with that. It's effective and all that, but let's not forget that Dirk Kuyt was bought as a centre-forward to bang in the goals. Now, look at him. His job is now to harass the opposition, win the ball back and just work tirelessly up and down the wing.

Benitez' philosophy is not that skill wins football, it's that football is made up of purely sweat, blood and tears, baby.

Riera has a fantastic left foot and is a really good player. However, he will be changed into a Kuyt.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A41660633

Of all the things to rip off why go with that? :pac:

estebancambias · 01-10-2008 11:16pm

Mascherano at this time is an overhyped Lee Carsley.

machiavellianme · 01-10-2008 11:22pm

estebancambias wrote: »

Mascherano at this time is an overhyped Lee Carsley.

Yes, yes I can see what you mean.
All those Olympic gold medals that Lee Carsley has and yet he doesnt buy into his own hype. Humility is redefined.

DeadSkin · 01-10-2008 11:32pm

Right back on track.

Liverpool again looked comfortable tonight.
PSV were poor.
Gerrard/Alonso/Kuyt/Keane played very well.
Arbeloa, I'm still not a fan, still haven't seen this Degen dude and don't know how long he's gonna be out injured. I just think getting rid of Finnan is still a big mistake.
Nice finish from Keane and super strike from Gerrard.

Nalz · 01-10-2008 11:53pm

Trilla wrote: »

3-0 to the Pool after a cautious opening 30 mins

Keane to get a scrappy goal

Not quite but congrats to Robbie. Delighted for him

estebancambias · 01-10-2008 11:56pm

machiavellianme wrote: »

Yes, yes I can see what you mean.
All those Olympic gold medals that Lee Carsley has and yet he doesnt buy into his own hype. Humility is redefined.

Its not his fault he's a baulting English born Irishman.

He basically did the exact same job for Everton as Mascherano does. I could only think the biggest difference between the two would be that at least Masch looks to pass the ball forward on the odd occassion and doesn't take 20 seconds to release the ball.

I don't like these ''makelele role'' players at all.

Guy:Incognito · 02-10-2008 12:01am

estebancambias wrote: »

I don't like these ''makelele role'' players at all.

Either did Real Madrid. That worked out well for them..............

PHB · 02-10-2008 12:03am

You can not like them all you want, but to compare Makelele to Carsley as a player in what he does is just as stupid as comparing him to Mascherano.

Mascherano doesn't offer much going forward, he never will. But as a defensive midfielder, a Makelele, he protects the back 4 amazingly well, easily top 5 in his position in the world. He can take a player like Kaka out of the game, thats how good he is. Carsley could never ever ever do that.
Defensively, he is way superior to Carsley.
Offensively, he adds a bit more.

[p.s. I also don't like playing with Makekele players. IMO it limits you to need to have 3 in midfield, or at least one striker dropping deep. I prefer a more defensively orientated but rounder midfielder, ala Essien]

PHB · 02-10-2008 12:09am

Just to say, I love Robbie Keane.
I haven't seen a player that excited to score a goal in years, really happy for him.

estebancambias · 02-10-2008 12:10am

nah in fairness i think carsley is a fair comparison to makelele. obviously if a manager wanted his sort of player in the team, makelele would have been picked every time but carsley did a very very very simular job for everton..look at them now he's gone...idiot **** julian lescott isn't the super duper defender he was meant to be..that defence is exposed without carsley. i'd also say carsleys job was a lot harder than makeleles because the players he was playing with were not at the level of chelsea.

basically tim cahill is to lampard as carsley was to makelele(is that even the right phrase?)

thats what i mean about needing to accomdate those sort of players...i don't think it was an unfair statement at the start for dunphy to suggest liverpool are better balanced without mascherano. like liverpool against everton were superb i felt in the middle.

Dont be at yourself · 02-10-2008 12:18am

To get the best out of Gerrard, I would say that you need a strong defensive-midfield platform against the big teams.

Gerrard, even when played deep, is at his best when surging forward with the ball from midfield, or receiving it high up the pitch. However, he can be too hurried on the ball when playing deeper, and there are often times when he won't track back. He gave the ball away cheaply tonight and just stood there while the defense came out to pressure the PSV player... he'll get away with that against a poor PSV side, but he won't get away with it against a top class side, unless there's a Macherano to mop up after him.

As for Dunphy... I dunno. They used to be hugely entertaining, but now they are as predictable and as banal as Redknapp and company.

Dunphy in particular believes his own hype, but he was found out tonight. Souness, now there's a top class pundit. Souness class, Dunphy is hype. Found out tonight, a nothing pundit. He's ill-informed and a clown, an ill-informed clown.

As for Giles? Well, as a pundit, you have to do the simple things, and do them right. When it comes to football, now, with football it's a simple matter of analysing the game. I don't want to go on about it, but you have to do the simple things. If you do the simple things well, that's half the battle. That's your bread and butter. You can have all the quips and theatrics, but if you're not analysing the game properly, you're not going to get anywhere.

zAbbo · 02-10-2008 12:20am

estebancambias wrote: »

Its not his fault he's a baulting English born Irishman.

He basically did the exact same job for Everton as Mascherano does. I could only think the biggest difference between the two would be that at least Masch looks to pass the ball forward on the odd occassion and doesn't take 20 seconds to release the ball.

I don't like these ''makelele role'' players at all.

That's a ridicolous statement, even for you.

Just because both Carsley and Masch perform the same role, doesn't mean they are equal!

Masch is an infinitely better DM than Carsely and is in line with the masters of the position like Dunga and Makelele.

The fact that you don't like those style of players makes me think you don't fully understand the 'role' or the importance for it within a team.

Granted the neccessity of someone with Mascherano's skills is only ever fully utilised with attacking players of the highest calibre in front of them, think Zidane, Figo, Carlos in Real Madrids 02 CL winning team, or the difference in quality when United play Hargreaves in that role with Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez ahead of him.

Similarly it's hugely important for Liverpool to have someone like Mash when allowing Gerrard free reign.

The specialist DM role is required to relieve some of the best attacking players in the world from any defensive duties, players who can do the grunt work in winning the ball back and playing a 5 metre pass to those who are more gifted in attacking flair.

The 'Volante' or 'Makelele Role' is hugely important in modern football, when Makelele left Real in 2002, and Beckham came in, Zidane at the time said "Why put another layer of gold paint on the Bentley when you are losing the entire engine?"

Lee Carsely, are you serious, shouldn't even be mentioned on the same page as Mascherano or Makelele - let alone the same sentence

estebancambias · 02-10-2008 12:26am

Thats a load of clichéd rubbish Zabbo. if i've heard it once ive heard it a thousand times.

obviously mascherano is better than carsley, more mobile, marginally better passer, quicker distrubution, and better tackler, but i never said carsley was better NEVER.

As I said Tim Cahill is to lampard as carsley is to makelele.

The specialist DM role is required to relieve some of the best attacking players in the world from any defensive duties, players who can do the grunt work in winning the ball back and playing a 5 metre pass to those who are more gifted in attacking flair.

are you saying carsley didn't do this?

carsley provided this role for a team in the top 5 in the EPL...

as gabrille marcotti described daniele de rossi as a poor mans keane, i will describe carsley as a poor mans makelele.

~Rebel~ · 02-10-2008 12:26am

It really says something about the analysis that since the match has finished, the 3 lads are largely what's been discussed!

It gets so frustrating! obviously we know its bollox, but the thing is idiots listen to that and take it as gospil, then they repeat it and we end up with yet another microwavable liverpool gripe to go along with Gerrard out of position, Zonal marking, and Rotation. Just wait a few weeks and you'll be hearing people in pubs conversing about how Rafa only buys donkeys.

Its like they're not even looking at the players out there, what they're doing and what this amounts to in terms of a game plan. they just dont bother, instead throwing out some nice repeatable soundbites.

One that really bugged me tonight was when Dunphy started shouting that the fullbacks were rubbish, after Aurelio had just had yet another great game. Arbeloa is fairly ordinary compared to other top RB's, but Aurelio when he's not injured is top notch. I just cant understand how he can come out with something like that only minutes after a game finished where the guy clearly wasn't rubbish.

agh, i could go on for the night but ill leave it at that.

(As an aside, does Giles even turn up anymore, i get the impression its just a cardboard cutout, and when they zoom in for his pieces, they cut to video! How many times has he now said "Im sure the people at home are sick of me saying it, but every manager has his vision of football and the players he gets into the club over his time in charge show his philosophy." Occasionally with the old "Honesty of effort" thrown in too.)

/rant

Very happy with the performance myself anyway, again played nice controlled football most of the time, not quite as clean and crisp as the Everton game, but still much better then the beginning of the season. Its a long time since i've seen a Liverpool team work as well as a unit, and i think a lot of this is down to Gerrard finally playing in 1 position rather then trying to do 4 or 5 peoples jobs.

Singling out a few players;

Gerrard, excellent agian in center mid and makes Robbie's acquisition make more sense.

Alonso, fantastic again, put in a real shift, was there supporting defence and attack whenever needed.

Aurleio, got himself involved whenever needed, put in some good crosses, helped the team keep posession all the time, only bad point was he should have done better for the cross that came in just after gerrards goal which led to koevermans finish.

Keane, fantastic all round performance, literally 110% effort, worked so so hard and thoroughly deserved his goal. great finish.

Kuyt, Fantastic again after a great game over the weekend. In the last 2 games he's shown some fantastic skill on the ball to retain it, beat a man and pick a pass as he did to set Torres free for his cross to keane. Rather then, as dunph said, turning Riera into Kuyt, I think Kuyt has taken a leaf out of Riera's book and gone back to trying some of the clever flicks that he did when he first joined.

Torres, worked very hard, still looks a little way off his full fitness, not quite up to his usual full speed when sprinting either, but always works for the team.

LuckyLloyd · 02-10-2008 1:24am

A few things on the RTE pundits:

- yes they are lazy and flawed in terms of the depth in which they review games and can be deliberately selective in the clips they choose to show if it will help make their point look stronger. BUT I can confidently claim that ALL analysts currently working on the UK and Irish game are incompetent to some degree. At least RTE force a reaction from the audience;

- What they are doing is kind of clever to be fair. They clearly have decided that Liverpool will not win the Premiership or Champions League this year. Not a bad punt given Liverpool's recent history and the strength of their direct competition. As such, they have decided to criticize Liverpool incessantly right from the start of the season irrespective of their performances or results on an individual night or point in the year. They are banking on the fact that Liverpool will at some point before May have the league go beyond them and will be knocked out of the CL before the final. And when that happens - Giles, Dunphy et al get to say "we told ya so";

- Further to them being justified when the above comes to pass in terms of the correlation between predictions and results, they figure that when it does happen A) a sizable portion of Liverpool fans will automatically turn on Benitez and

fans of other clubs will delight in Liverpool's misfortune;

The ultimate result? The stock of the RTE analysis team gets to rise as they get lauded for 'bold and direct' punditry that is 'spot on'.

It is worth bearing in mind that Dunphy was on the radar of the English media set last April for his outspoken criticism of Ronaldo (The Game podcast had him as the feature on one of their episodes). After he missed the penalty against Barcelona and was poor in the first leg of the champions league semi, from a simple results based perspective they were almost completely vindicated for their 'he's not a big game player' spiel. But then Ronaldo scored and was good in the final and Utd won to spoil their party. But if he had just gone one more bad showpiece performance - in some quarters they would have been geniuses...

Mike is spot on in that we are watching people who are more concerned about how they are perceived in talking about the game than perceiving the game correctly. But in the current football journalism landscape where there is a distinct paucity of quality work being produced, I'll take bad punditry that is controversial over bad punditry that is dull and conservative every day of the week. It's about picking your poison I guess.

PHB · 02-10-2008 8:36am

That's the thing, Sky and BBC tend to be boring and uninteresting, but they are actually speaking their opinions. RTE don't say anything like their opinions, they simply want to cause controversy. I'll take BBC and Sky every time, I'd even prefer Ian Wright.

jesus_thats_gre · 02-10-2008 8:42am

Des wrote: »

It's not just Liverpool they rag on tbh. That's paranoia.

Did you hear Houghton last night about United?

And the lads in the studio too.

But were United were **** and deserved the slating

NabyLadistheman · 02-10-2008 8:57am

Dunphy is the biggest hypocrit ever. I remember a couple of seasons when Mascharano was being bought by West Ham he was out saying he would be a great buy for United or any of the other top teams - now he's a donkey. Thats a crazy comment, just out for a bit of controversy me thinks.

Also the panel were makin a point of how Benitez would never sign a player like Deco, a bit of "clever craft around the box", instead going for work horses like Masch, Kuyt etc. I felt like roarin in at them was it Benitez who signed Luis Garcia - they absolutely could not stand him. Ya could be guarunteed a moan every night the pool were on about Luis.

Another ass who I don't know alot about but is always been Neg pool is yer man Trevor Steven - like come on. Liverpool winnin one - nil and cruising and he comes out with the comment "what a massive differance a player like Deco would make to the Liverpool team! I couldn't believe what I was hearing!

Don't get me wrong, alot of the boys points are valid and I love watching them for there analysis but they are very easialy influenced. From what I've seen so far this season Chelsea are there team. It's Deco this and Deco that. Im sure by the end of the season Deco will be shown to be not all that he is. Remember that when there critisizing him! Last night after there match they were sayin how the Romanians were way better than PSV & Aalborg - true for the latter but we'll see how good they really. If it was the pool who drew nil all out there they wouldn't be sayin like they were last night that it was a good result!

I reckon some night they should get 3 level-headed fans in the studio with them and let em battle it out with em for the night. I for wone wouldn't mind getting stuck into em!

Boggles · 02-10-2008 10:28am

In fairness to the pundits who clearly talk out of their arsés 83% of the time, United and Liverpool should have raked up cricket scores against Aalborg and PSV respectively. The 2 teams were clearly terrible but that wasn't compounded by how the 2 English teams played, 0-3 and 3-1 IMO flattered the Danish and Dutch.

They had a point in what they said about the creativity in Liverpools midfield, but then again I think a Deco or a Xavi would improve most midfields in the world.

On Keanes goal, it was a good finish, but it was a typical Keane finish, he is deadly when he actually has no time to think about what to do with the ball, something he was well known for at Spurs. I have to admit he did make me smile the way he celebrated, you just knew at that point the weight came off his shoulders.

On paper 2 good results, but the lads are right when the games are disected Liverpool and United didn't get out of 2nd gear - I think something which is hard to achieve when you just don't have to.

RasTa · 02-10-2008 11:24am

What I find funny about the comments is Liverpool win 3-1 and all there players are donkeys which I do agree with(in terms of Lucas and your fullbacks). United win 3-0 and we played terrible etc etc and should have won 6-0. Chelsea draw 0-0, play terrible and Dunphy says it's a good result.

noodler · 02-10-2008 12:08pm

They were all more critical of Arbeloa than me.

The turning Riera into a Kuyt thing needs to be stopped soon. If Rafa takes his spark from him then we will need yet 'another left winger to be the final piece of the jigsaw'. Contrast his performance last night with his game against Utd. Anyway its early days so I guess we should wait and see.

really pleased for Keane, if he grabs 15 prem goals this season, that will be a considerable burden lifted from G+T.

Mr Alan · 02-10-2008 12:56pm

Des wrote: »

What's the Keane song?

"Let it be"

Robbie Keane, Robbie Keane,
Robbie Keane, Robbie Keane,
His names not ****ing Keano,
Its Robbie Keane.

PHB wrote: »

Just to say, I love Robbie Keane.
I haven't seen a player that excited to score a goal in years, really happy for him.

have to admit, i've never been much fond of Robbie, but i was delighted for him last night, that second when he scored, there was no cool, no bravado, just his actual delight at scoring for Liverpool, apparent for all the world to see, for all the cynics who knocked his supposed "being a fan"....If i scored for Liverpool, i'd imagine i'd react the same way

noodler wrote: »

They were all more critical of Arbeloa than me.

Noodler, they are idiots.

noodler wrote: »

The turning Riera into a Kuyt thing needs to be stopped soon. If Rafa takes his spark from him then we will need yet 'another left winger to be the final piece of the jigsaw'. Contrast his performance last night with his game against Utd. Anyway its early days so I guess we should wait and see.

really....stop listening to RTE, Riera is not turning into Kuyt.

Melion · 02-10-2008 2:14pm

Just back from Liverpool. Great atmosphere last night in the Kop, not sure how it came across on TV. Rest of the ground was very quiet though. It absolutely píssed down about an hour before kick off for about 10 minutes and then again at about 7.15. Thats why the pitch was so slippery.

Delighted for Robbie to get off the mark finally, a few people in the Kop shouted Keano and the place went mental with the "Let it Be" song that Alan posted above. By the time he was subbed the whole Kop was singing it.

Great strike from Gerrard for his goal, i was sitting directly behind it. Great view of it flying in. Overall great performance from him.

MOTM had to be Skrtel, he was immense and nothing got past him. Again, no idea how he came across on TV but he was just brilliant.

Dirk Kuyt's movement was brilliant again last night, the amount of times he cut in field, dragged 2 defenders with him so Arbeloa had room on the wing was incredible.

A good result with a great performance for the first 65 minutes, all went a bit flat after that though(Bar Stevie's goal).

NabyLadistheman · 02-10-2008 2:17pm

Melion wrote: »

MOTM had to be Skrtel, he was immense and nothing got past him.

Not been fickle but what about the goal PSV scored!

noodler · 02-10-2008 2:21pm

I was about to say!

Alan, they give plenty of food for thought. Riera does seem to have started to play inside himself since the UTD game.

No one will probably every agree with EVERYTHING a pundit says. Giles is always right but.....he never says anything contreversial (I mean "stuff like rafa prefers less flair players" or "every team has to start with the little things of tracking back" etc hardly get the punters up in arms.

Its a charge I have heard from opposition fans. I remember in the early days of Kewell's signing (pre injury nightmares) an Arsenal fan mate of mine said it (among others!), same about Benayoun and Pennant too. They don't look like the same players who played for their older clubs.

People said it about Mourinho as well actually, particularly with respect to Duff.

Every professional at a big club is going to have some responsibility with regards tracking back etc but at the same time a winger shouldn't be discouraged frm taking players on just because they may lose the ball.

Melion · 02-10-2008 2:22pm

torresistheman wrote: »

Not been fickle but what about the goal PSV scored!

From where i was it appeared that it was Carra's fault, havent seen it since though

rossie1977 · 02-10-2008 2:33pm

Melion wrote: »

From where i was it appeared that it was Carra's fault, havent seen it since though

it was Skrtels fault, he let the forward drift in behind him, and boy did dunphy point that out afterwards, he says skrtel and carragher are a weakness and would be found out

~Rebel~ · 02-10-2008 2:43pm

noodler wrote: »

The turning Riera into a Kuyt thing needs to be stopped soon. If Rafa takes his spark from him then we will need yet 'another left winger to be the final piece of the jigsaw'.

Ffs, it was Riera who danced past 3 players and slipped the ball through to Keane's feet when he should have won a penalty. When he was caught sucked inside when Torres switched the ball from right to left and there was nobody out there to receive, Rafa was out shouting to Riera to get wider. Rafa is Not turning Riera into Kuyt.

FFS Rafa didn't even turn Kuyt into Kuyt, he was always a work horse since the day he joined! All Rafa did was put him right wing forward when we needed someone there while Torres was playing up front on his own, and low and behold Kuyt did a fantastic job.

Riera wasn't bought to be changed, he was bought to do exactly what he's done in all the games he's played so far.

noodler · 02-10-2008 2:50pm

Pointing out one run in a game isn't exactly proof. Look, don't cry about it but Riera just hasn't seemed quite as willing to take people on in recent games as he did in the utd one for me. That is all.

The change of position for Kuyt is EXACTLY how Rafa turned Kuyt into Kuyt. Up front Kuyt has proven he could bring in a decent goal return (scored over 15 in his first season for pool which wasn't too bad for a debut). But he is a more of a true centre forward, holding ball up direct running etc. These attributes are less effective on the right wing.

Kevin Davies would/has struggled on the right.

~Rebel~ · 02-10-2008 2:58pm

noodler wrote: »

Pointing out one run in a game isn't exactly proof. Look, don't cry about it but Riera just hasn't seemed quite as willing to take people on in recent games as he did in the utd one for me. That is all.

But its simply wrong. He went wide left plenty of times on a run against Everton as well. just go back and watch it! He did keep getting sucked in yesterday, but Rafa was up actively telling him to get back wide again. Tbh he just had a bad, quiet game. And when he had a chance to take someone on, he still tried it.

The change of position for Kuyt is EXACTLY how Rafa turned Kuyt into Kuyt. Up front Kuyt has proven he could bring in a decent goal return (scored over 15 in his first season for pool which wasn't too bad for a debut). But he is a more of a true centre forward, holding ball up direct running etc. These attributes are less effective on the right wing.

You seem to be forgetting how Kuyt played in the first half of last season, when he was up front. It was only when he switched out wider that he played his best football of the year. And this year so far he has been massive out right. IMO he's been one of our best, most important players this year so far. He was fantastic against Everton, and fantastic again last night.
None of Kuyt's attributes changed since he's joined. He's quite obviously playing his own game, in a new position.

noodler · 02-10-2008 3:02pm

Obviously we differ on our views about how conservative Riera has been overthe last few games (compared to his initial UTD performance) and thats fine. No real point arguing about it.

I didn't mean to criticise Kuyt. Im happy we have that determination out right. I just hope we (keep) get(ting) something different out left-thats all.

monkey9 · 02-10-2008 3:04pm

Who was it earlier on who said that it's fair enough the RTE panelists just being entertaining, but that people who don't know better will take this stuff and start spouting it off as their own opinion???
And here we are, a few hours later, and we have Noodler saying that Rafa is turning Reira into Kuyt!! Seriously, FFS!!!

Dont be at yourself · 02-10-2008 3:04pm

Rafa didn't turn Kuyt into a destructive right-winger. He has played in similar positions for Utrecht, Feeyenoord and Holland, long before Rafa got his mitts on him.

You can't argue with his effectiveness from the right. He's often Liverpool's best player on the pitch, where his workrate, closing down and tracking back set the whole tone and tempo when Liverpool are chasing the ball. When we have the ball, he's got great movement and sense of position, and he's great for linking the midfield and attack. He's got quite a good cross too.

And lets not forget the many crucial goals that he's scored for us!

The whole 'Riera being turned into Kuyt' thing is hugely overblown. While it is obvious that Rafa insists on his attacking players tracking back (hence no move for Quersema!), Riera was signed primarily to offer genuine width from the left. Rafa has said as much on numerous occasions. Just because he picks up the fullback when we're without possession, it doesn't mean he's going to be employed in a defensive role or anything like that!

rossie1977 · 02-10-2008 3:04pm

hasn't Kuyt always played on the wing for holland, he was certainly playing on the wing during the 2006 world cup before he joined liverpool

missingtime · 02-10-2008 3:08pm

rossie1977 wrote: »

and boy did dunphy point that out afterwards, he says skrtel and carragher are a weakness and would be found out

everyone is going to be "found out" according to him. the thing is though he was "found out" years ago and now he's just the grumpy old man at the end of the bar.
Gilesy pops around from time to time to talk about paul scholes.

noodler · 02-10-2008 3:08pm

monkey9 wrote: »

Who was it earlier on who said that it's fair enough the RTE panelists just being entertaining, but that people who don't know better will take this stuff and start spouting it off as their own opinion???
And here we are, a few hours later, and we have Noodler saying that Rafa is turning Reira into Kuyt!! Seriously, FFS!!!

Don't be senationalist about it ffs. If anything, I am going against the grain here-rather than jumping on any bandwagon. You weren't the only one to A: read this thread or B:watch the game on RTE.

I don't agree with the statement "Turning Riera into Kuyt" in its entirety. Simply noted to myself that yes, Riera seemed less willing to take people on as he did with Brown at Anfield.

PS: Giles is brilliantly correct in his middle of the fence-ism!

spockety · 02-10-2008 4:22pm

noodler wrote: »

I don't agree with the statement "Turning Riera into Kuyt" in its entirety. Simply noted to myself that yes, Riera seemed less willing to take people on as he did with Brown at Anfield.

Maybe cos he hasn't been up against a defender as s***e as Brown since then.

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