Poll - Treatment of 97 yr old Erich Priebke

Morlar · 06-10-2010 4:30pm #1

I thought this was an interesting story :

http://roma.repubblica.it/cronaca/2010/10/04/foto/la_spesa_di_priebke-7720094/2/

http://breakingnews.ie/world/fury-as-ex-ss-massacre-officer-allowed-to-shop-476673.html

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=32883&sid=15de2e88e0252b8fba4e8a98deb24ae5

A 97 year old man is serving a life sentence for 2 counts of murder. The terms of his sentence call for a house arrest with being permission to leave his home in order to attend his church, his doctor and shopping for things like food.

His sentence relates to an incident in 24 March 1944 in which 33 SS Polizei men were killed by partisans. 345 civilians were then killed in retaliation.

Erich Priebke admitted to shooting 2 civilians and assisting in the round up. His insistence was that he was following orders.

Does anyone think it is jusfitied that a 97 yr old can leave house arrest to attend church, the doctor and to go food shopping ? Or would you disagree with him being permitted to leave his home to attend Doctor, Church and for food shopping ?

Mahatma coat · 07-10-2010 7:20am

No - he should not be permitted to leave his home

Always the same Lobby Groups Crying about Shoite like this, feckin sickens me, The Man was an SS Captain, Fair enough, but To cry foul about his being let out to go to the Supermarket, thats just petty and smallminded, but hey, who really expects more from the complainants.

marcsignal · 07-10-2010 2:31pm

from 2nd article

Elan Steinberg:

“Holocaust survivors have reacted with shock and disbelief to news that this convicted Nazi killer could be allowed shopping trips and other excursions although sentenced to life imprisonment for his crimes,”

good old "Elan Stienberg", the daddy of all 'Holocaust hucksters' :rolleyes:
why do i get the impression he's lying? (below)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBENn4QrQtw

trustworthy ?

our survey said "EH-ERRRRRR!!"

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chainsaws · 09-10-2010 3:06pm

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Mahatma coat wrote: »

Always the same Lobby Groups Crying about Shoite like this, feckin sickens me, The Man was an SS Captain, Fair enough, but To cry foul about his being let out to go to the Supermarket, thats just petty and smallminded, but hey, who really expects more from the complainants.

The man is a mass murdering monster.:mad:

marcsignal · 09-10-2010 5:03pm

I’m all for war criminals facing justice, but if Mr Steinberg wants to make a meaningful gesture with regards to punishing war criminals, he could begin by looking a little closer to home, instead of whinging about people who are long dead.

What’s the point in punishing someone for something that happened 60 years ago, if you’re going to conveniently ignore what’s going on under your nose today.

Some consistancy would be nice. Unfortunately, for humanity, Steinberg and his ilk are not interested in Justice, just his pound of flesh, his position of privilige, and securing funding for his never ending hunt for Nazis under the Stairs, as usual.

chainsaws · 10-10-2010 11:21am

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marcsignal wrote: »

I’m all for war criminals facing justice, but if Mr Steinberg wants to make a meaningful gesture with regards to punishing war criminals, he could begin by looking a little closer to home, instead of whinging about people who are long dead.

What’s the point in punishing someone for something that happened 60 years ago, if you’re going to conveniently ignore what’s going on under your nose today.

Some consistancy would be nice. Unfortunately, for humanity, Steinberg and his ilk are not interested in Justice, just his pound of flesh, his position of privilige, and securing funding for his never ending hunt for Nazis under the Stairs, as usual.

Did Priebke participate in mass murder? Yes he did.

He is a criminal and a mass murderer.
Whether the crimes he committed them last year or 60 years ago whether he is his 37 or 97 years old makes no difference.
Whether war crimes are being committed today is beside the point.
Priebke should not be free to go to the shops.
He should be in a cell and never released for any reason.

marcsignal · 10-10-2010 2:44pm

chainsaws wrote: »

Whether war crimes are being committed today is beside the point.

Really ?

you know the difference between 'Justice' and 'Revenge' don't you ?

BlaasForRafa · 11-10-2010 6:35pm

marcsignal wrote: »

I’m all for war criminals facing justice, but if Mr Steinberg wants to make a meaningful gesture with regards to punishing war criminals, he could begin by looking a little closer to home, instead of whinging about people who are long dead.

What’s the point in punishing someone for something that happened 60 years ago, if you’re going to conveniently ignore what’s going on under your nose today.

Some consistancy would be nice. Unfortunately, for humanity, Steinberg and his ilk are not interested in Justice, just his pound of flesh, his position of privilige, and securing funding for his never ending hunt for Nazis under the Stairs, as usual.

You got some nice whataboutery going on there. And a bit of godwinning too, well done, don't often see a two for one like that.

jam_mac_jam · 11-10-2010 7:15pm

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BlaasForRafa wrote: »

You got some nice whataboutery going on there. And a bit of godwinning too, well done, don't often see a two for one like that.

Can you godwin if you are talking about the nazis?

marcsignal · 11-10-2010 7:22pm

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

You got some nice whataboutery going on there. And a bit of godwinning too, well done, don't often see a two for one like that.

you've lost me there BlaasForRafa, as regards priebke, i'm one of only two who voted 'unsure' on the poll. Yes he should by all means pay for his crime, but i also think other people should practice what they preach.

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chainsaws · 11-10-2010 8:53pm

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marcsignal wrote: »

Really ?

you know the difference between 'Justice' and 'Revenge' don't you ?

The man - if you can a monster like Priepke a man - is lucky to live in a society which does not still hang draw and quarter murdering scum like him.

During the Second World War when the 45th Division liberated more than 30,000 prisoners at Dachau. They were so shocked and outraged at their horrendous treatment that they gunned down the SS camp guards or handed them over the able-bodied prisoners who killed them.

That was justice. Justice and revenge are one and the same.

If I got my hands on that Nazi puke, he would die screaming in agony.

BlaasForRafa · 11-10-2010 9:03pm

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Can you godwin if you are talking about the nazis?

If you throw in the holocaust for sure.

I'm not sure why holocaust advocates are involved anyway. Wasn't this a massacre of italians and not jews?

jam_mac_jam · 11-10-2010 9:18pm

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BlaasForRafa wrote: »

If you throw in the holocaust for sure.

I'm not sure why holocaust advocates are involved anyway. Wasn't this a massacre of italians and not jews?

I thought the whole point of Godwin law was that you mention it when not relevent?

marcsignal · 11-10-2010 9:43pm

chainsaws wrote: »

they gunned down the (unarmed) SS camp guards (who afaik arrived at the camp 48hrs before) or handed them over the able-bodied prisoners who killed them.

fyp

chainsaws wrote: »

That was justice. Justice and revenge are one and the same.

Is that a fact ? well that's certainly news to me :rolleyes:

Justice
Revenge

chainsaws wrote: »

If I got my hands on that Nazi puke, he would die screaming in agony.

Tell me, do you feel that way about all war criminals? Or just German ones?

.....somehow i think i already know the answer.

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

I'm not sure why holocaust advocates are involved anyway. Wasn't this a massacre of italians and not jews?

neither do i tbh, (i'm talking about Steinberg here). As far as I'm concerned the evidence against Priebke is strong, he's serving a sentence for his crimes, and rightly so. However I also think the world would be a better place if more attention was paid to the precedent set by these trials, so we can try to ensure such things don't happen again, and that adherence to these precedents should apply to everyone in the future, without exception.

Mahatma coat · 11-10-2010 11:19pm

No - he should not be permitted to leave his home

Ah Marc, its Everyone Without Exception, except the Israelis

Obviously.

I'm still disgusted at this, the man Killed some people, There was a WAR on,thats what his Job was (distasteful as some may find that) His Job was to maintain the Nazi Rule of Law, that he did, theonlyway the Nazis knew how, Brutally, There is no suggestionthat he was the one who decided onthis course of action, so HeFollowed orders, Orders that would have made perfect sense to him at the time. Only after the War did these men begin to be deprogrammed.

So Seing as I cant see this guy becoming a repeat offender, I cant see what the issue is.

Also its interesting to note that its a Jewish Group doing most of the Shouting, when there would have been very Few Jews killed that day, goes back to Marcsignals point about Nazi's under the stairs.
What was the quote from another thread
Jewish Groups admiting that there are no more Nazis to persecute
is akin to
Concern saying 'Ah them lads in the Third World are OK for Food this Year'

Morlar · 11-10-2010 11:28pm

No - he should not be permitted to leave his home

Your ridiculous, hyperbolic outbursts add nothing.

chainsaws wrote: »

The man - if you can a monster like Priepke a man -

Yes he is a man so you can call him a man. It is surprisingly factually correct. Your attempts at childish dehumanising of the subject of this discussion add nothing to this thread.

chainsaws wrote: »

is lucky to live in a society which does not
still hang draw and quarter murdering scum like him.

Again with the dehumanising of a feeble 97 yr old. Western society has not 'hung drawn and quartered' for hundreds of years and even then it was often the innocent people or people convicted of crimes of conscience and being politically unfashionable - in any event your 'point' if there is one is millions of miles off the mark. Medieval punishments and more dehumanising - is this the limit of your reach when it comes to contributing to an adult discussion ?

chainsaws wrote: »

the 45th Division liberated more than 30,000 prisoners at Dachau. They ... gunned down the SS camp guards or handed them over the able-bodied prisoners who killed them.

These were not the only warcrimes committed by the allies during the 2nd world war.

chainsaws wrote: »

That was justice. Justice and revenge are one and the same.

There you go being confused again. Real history is not like a comic book cartoon. Murdering unarmed prisoners is not justice it is a warcrime which you in your twisted little worldview are attempting to justify. As has been pointed out those men executed at dachau included those from the hospital ward and also the new arrivals.

chainsaws wrote: »

If I got my hands on that Nazi puke, he would die screaming in agony.

As above, internet tough guys are not as impressive as you think and also in the context of this discussion yet again add nothing whatsoever. If I had voted as you did in this poll I would consider your contribution an embarrassment to my side of this discussion. Why dont you roll up your sleeves and start posting 'Whay Ay Oughtta !!!' and punch the air a few times, smash a keyboard or two ? That would only be a marginal disimprovement on your posts here so far but would at least be more amusing. Or maybe you could take the other route and grow up a bit before you post back on this thread ?

Mahatma coat · 12-10-2010 12:03am

No - he should not be permitted to leave his home

Its all well and good for the Keyboard Warriors to make threats against a 97 Year old man, Chainsaw, had you met him in his 1944 Prime You would have Shat Yourself, he would have laughed at you, and then probably put a bullet betwen your eyes for threatening him

marcsignal · 12-10-2010 12:05am

I would be curious to know tho, why a doctor can't attend to Priebke in prison? Can't a priest say mass for him in prison? Can't someone shop for him ?

What reason was given for his being allowed to do all of the above like a normal person ?

In the article, it also mentioned something about him working in his lawyers office as a translator. Was he being paid for this ? If not, were these translations relevant to his case? Might he have been assisting his Lawyers with translating relevant wartime documents, pertaining to his own defence ? If so, is their anything wrong with a client seeing his legal representative ?

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marcsignal · 12-10-2010 3:37pm

marcsignal wrote: »

I would be curious to know tho, why a doctor can't attend to Priebke in prison? Can't a priest say mass for him in prison? Can't someone shop for him ?

please disregard this question. In all the emotional 'foo-fa' about priebke, I got a little confused regarding his confinment, and forgot he was under 'house arrest' as opposed to being in a prison, as such.

I don't have an issue with him leaving the house, under escort, for reasons like church and doctor tbh, dunno about shoping, and I'd like to know more about the exact meaning of 'excursions' mentioned in the article.

BlaasForRafa · 12-10-2010 5:05pm

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Ah Marc, its Everyone Without Exception, except the Israelis Obviously.

I'm still disgusted at this, the man Killed some people, There was a WAR on,thats what his Job was (distasteful as some may find that) His Job was to maintain the Nazi Rule of Law, that he did, theonlyway the Nazis knew how, Brutally, There is no suggestionthat he was the one who decided onthis course of action, so HeFollowed orders, Orders that would have made perfect sense to him at the time. Only after the War did these men begin to be deprogrammed.

As usual you are wrong. There are rules to how war is fought, which is especially pertinent to those who are losing a war .ie

""The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him""

There were german personnel who refused to carry out executions of civilians and jews and were usually just moved to another unit. Personnel were not under pain of death to execute civilians so he dosen't have the excuse of "I was only following orders"

Morlar · 12-10-2010 6:29pm

No - he should not be permitted to leave his home

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

""The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him""

That 'rule' didn't exsist until the Nuremberg trials. Which took place after the events in question. Previous to that a soldier was not responsible for carrying out orders. His superior was. The rules on this were changed specifically at the post ww2 Nuremberg trials.

Taking the assumption that a captain in the SS at a point in time late in the war, when the tide had turned, could just 'decide' to refuse orders (without personal consequences being a factor) is a big assumption to make from the comfort of looking back at this from 2010. This is notwithstanding the fact that the above 'following orders' defence is not outlawed - it IS still grounds for a lesser sentence - just no longer grounds for a complete acquital.

Morlar · 12-10-2010 6:48pm

No - he should not be permitted to leave his home

marcsignal wrote: »

forgot he was under 'house arrest' as opposed to being in a prison, as such.

As far as I know Italy has a general rule that no man over the age of 72 is kept in prison. They instead are given house arrest.

who what when · 12-10-2010 6:53pm

Is there any statistics for allies who were tried for war crimes during and after world war 2? Did arthur harris, churchill, roosevelt, stalin or any of the allied commanders have to take accountability for there actions?
Or is just the case that the winners make the rules?

And of course the same can be said of americas actions in the middle east right now! Are people brainwashed by western history into thinking that all germans were automaticly bad and all allies automatically good?

Take the russians. They had no respect for the lives of their own men, let alone any other countries! Yet there seems to be no accountability at all!
I often wonder why this is the case

Morlar · 12-10-2010 7:05pm

No - he should not be permitted to leave his home

who what when wrote: »

Take the russians. They had no respect for the lives of their own men, let alone any other countries! Yet there seems to be no accountability at all!
I often wonder why this is the case

Two prominent candidates who never stood at an allied warcrimes trial were both communists (and both jewish as it happens), Ilya Ehrenburg who wrote the famous 'Kill Kill Kill' ;

If you cannot kill your German with a bullet, kill him with your bayonet. If there is calm on your part of the front, if you are waiting for the fighting, kill a German before combat. If you leave a German alive, the German will hang a Russian and rape a Russian woman. If you kill one German, kill another - there is nothing more amusing for us than a heap of German corpses. Do not count days; do not count miles. Count only the number of Germans you have killed. Kill the German - this is your old mother's prayer. Kill the German - this is what your children beseech you to do. Kill the German - this is the cry of your Russian earth. Do not waver. Do not let up. Kill.

And Laventy Beria - (wiki no longer mentions his being jewish) but if you read some of his atrocities committed before the war (vast purges that counted up to millions) during the war (which would include Katyn massacre of 22,000 poles) and throughout post war Russia (rape of children, murder etc etc) it would make your hair stand on end. At least the russians gave him a trial of sorts.

chainsaws · 12-10-2010 8:13pm

Unsure -

Morlar wrote: »

Your ridiculous, hyperbolic outbursts add nothing.

Yes he is a man so you can call him a man. It is surprisingly factually correct. Your attempts at childish dehumanising of the subject of this discussion add nothing to this thread.

Again with the dehumanising of a feeble 97 yr old. Western society has not 'hung drawn and quartered' for hundreds of years and even then it was often the innocent people or people convicted of crimes of conscience and being politically unfashionable - in any event your 'point' if there is one is millions of miles off the mark. Medieval punishments and more dehumanising - is this the limit of your reach when it comes to contributing to an adult discussion ?

These were not the only warcrimes committed by the allies during the 2nd world war.

There you go being confused again. Real history is not like a comic book cartoon. Murdering unarmed prisoners is not justice it is a warcrime which you in your twisted little worldview are attempting to justify. As has been pointed out those men executed at dachau included those from the hospital ward and also the new arrivals.

As above, internet tough guys are not as impressive as you think and also in the context of this discussion yet again add nothing whatsoever. If I had voted as you did in this poll I would consider your contribution an embarrassment to my side of this discussion. Why dont you roll up your sleeves and start posting 'Whay Ay Oughtta !!!' and punch the air a few times, smash a keyboard or two ? That would only be a marginal disimprovement on your posts here so far but would at least be more amusing. Or maybe you could take the other route and grow up a bit before you post back on this thread ?

Why do you feel it necessary to defend filth like Priepke? You seem to be trying a bit too hard for my liking.

:rolleyes:

marcsignal · 12-10-2010 9:21pm

who what when wrote: »

Is there any statistics for allies who were tried for war crimes during and after world war 2? Did arthur harris, churchill, roosevelt, stalin or any of the allied commanders have to take accountability for there actions?

Robert Mc Namara alludes to his and Curtis Le May's arrest as war criminals, had the Allies lost the war @ 40mins here. Interesting Movie.

BlaasForRafa · 13-10-2010 12:48am

marcsignal wrote: »

Robert Mc Namara alludes to his and Curtis Le May's arrest as war criminals, had the Allies lost the war @ 40mins here. Interesting Movie.

Interesting stuff indeed!

Also of interest would be the fact that Grand Admiral Donitz was convicted of the "war crime" of conducting unrestricted submarine warfare. No sentance was considered for this because Admiral Chester Nimitz stated that the United States also conducted unrestricted submarine warfare.

Thus if you extrapolate from that then in theory at least Nimitz and Dudley Pound on the allied side were war criminals. Personally I don't think unrestricted submarine warfare should be considered a war crime except in situations like where hospital ships or civilian liners like perhaps the SS Athenia are considered but again its the victors who choose what is and what isn't a war crime.

I guess its not too well known by the public at large but the sinking of the Wilhelm Gustloff (and other ships like the Goya and Steuben) was a terrible war crime committed by the russians but because it was committed against german civilians no-one gave a damn.

ddef · 13-10-2010 1:34am

in my opinion, People need to move on from Nazi Germany.
Remember the people who suffered, and let history remember the rest.
This is a past generations bussiness, not ours.

chainsaws · 13-10-2010 9:58am

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ddef wrote: »

in my opinion, People need to move on from Nazi Germany.
Remember the people who suffered, and let history remember the rest.
This is a past generations bussiness, not ours.

This is not history yet.

There are still survivors of the Holocaust alive.

There are still Nazi criminals alive who were never brought to justice.:mad:

Mahatma coat · 13-10-2010 12:18pm

No - he should not be permitted to leave his home

And some of those Holocaust Survivors went on to Commit their own War Crimes

marcsignal · 13-10-2010 3:12pm

chainsaws wrote: »

There are still survivors of the Holocaust alive

..and there will still be tens of thousands of Holocaust survivors still alive (and needing compensation money) by the year 2035* according to Elan Steinberg :rolleyes:

*Thats 90 years after the end of WW2 folks

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chainsaws · 14-10-2010 10:09am

Unsure -

Mahatma coat wrote: »

And some of those Holocaust Survivors went on to Commit their own War Crimes

Do you mean defending themselves from Islamic nutjobs and Arab nationalists who want to destroy Israel - the only democracy in the Middle East - and launch a second Holocaust? Is that what you mean?:mad:
You are probably only saying that because America is an ally of Israel.
If America was not an ally of Israel, most Westerners wouldn't even know or care the same way most people don't know or care about the plight of Tamils in Sri Lanka or the brutal military regime in Myamar.
Tamils? Myamar? Yeah you never heard of them did you?

Back to Priepke - he is an unrepentant Nazi murderer and a psychopath.
Whether he is 27 or 37 or 97 makes not a jot of difference.

At the very least he should be locked up in solitary 24/7 with only artificial electric light in a tiny cell.

At the very most he should be left to die slow hangng from a hook.

Morlar · 14-10-2010 11:04am

No - he should not be permitted to leave his home

chainsaws wrote: »

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Tamils? Myamar? Yeah you never heard of them did you?

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*Edit - not worth the bother.

marcsignal · 14-10-2010 4:32pm

Morlar wrote: »

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*Edit - not worth the bother.

I know just what you mean Morlar, however, I feel compelled to at least try to 'enlighten' him...;)

chainsaws wrote: »

Do you mean defending themselves from Islamic nutjobs and Arab nationalists who want to destroy Israel

Are they any more nuts than someone who indulges themselves in a 'warped biblical masturbatory fantasy', about being ‘chosen’ by an invisible man in the sky who’s in the real estate business ??

chainsaws wrote: »

...the only democracy in the Middle East

Please, spare us.....

chainsaws wrote: »

.....and launch a second Holocaust? Is that what you mean?:mad:

Don’t you mean a Third Holocaust ? Because it would be, if you count This one in 1919, highlighted in a Publication called 'The American Hebrew' by Martin H Glynn, former Governor of NY State (Yeah you never heard of him did you?), 14 years before Hitler came to power.

chainsaws wrote: »

You are probably only saying that because America is an ally of Israel. If America was not an ally of Israel, most Westerners wouldn't even know or care

Probably, because it wouldn’t be an issue. The countries concerned would see to it, that UN resolutions are enforced, and would sanction Israel for non-compliance if they weren’t, without having to worry about the good old US Veto throwing a spanner in the works.

ie: they would be treated just like any other country in the world would be, under the circumstances, and that's the way it should be.

chainsaws wrote: »

.....the same way most people don't know or care about the plight of Tamils in Sri Lanka or the brutal military regime in Myamar.
Tamils? Myamar? Yeah you never heard of them did you?

Who doesn’t care ? I’ve heard my share about Tamils & Myamar.
Israel is the only place I’ve heard excuses.

chainsaws wrote: »

Back to Priepke - he is an unrepentant Nazi murderer and a psychopath.

...who is rightfully serving a sentence for his crimes handed down by an Italian court........ and ???

chainsaws wrote: »

Whether he is 27 or 37 or 97 makes not a jot of difference.

At the very least he should be locked up in solitary 24/7 with only artificial electric light in a tiny cell.

At the very most he should be left to die slow hangng from a hook.

You really really don’t get this do you ??

The man is serving his sentence passed down by the courts. This sentence was passed down on the basis of his crimes, and on the basis, I imagine, of internationally accepted standards/agreements set/made as a result of The Nuremberg Trials. A PRECEDENT HAS THEREFORE BEEN SET.

In short, without future adherence, by everyone, to the Precedent set down, a trial like Priebke’s is not worth a crap. The reason for this precedent being set, is to ensure that anyone in the future who has ideas about committing, what constitutes a ‘War Crime’, is fully aware that the ‘World Court’ will punish them for it if they go ahead and do it anyway.

For the record, I believe, for the sake of Humanity, that’s a Good Thing, and that there should be no ‘special exceptions’ today, for anyone who thinks they can ignore these rules, not even Jews. Sorry.

Being the Victim of a crime in the past does not make you in any way morally superior to anyone else.

Get over it.

Mahatma coat · 15-10-2010 12:22am

No - he should not be permitted to leave his home

chainsaws wrote: »

Do you mean defending themselves

I must use that in court next time I jump over my neighbors fence and kick the Snot out of his family and steal his valuables, I was DEFENDING Myself :rolleyes:

from Islamic nutjobs and Arab nationalists who want to destroy Israel

So Its perfectly fine to be a Hebrew nutjob?????

- the only democracy in the Middle East -

Ahem, I sugest you read up on what a DEMOCRACY is, Israel is an Apartheid State, therefore not Democratic

and launch a second Holocaust? Is that what you mean?:mad:

OH FFS, Get over yourself.

You are probably only saying that because America is an ally of Israel.

NO, I'm saying it because I think Israel is an Evil rogue state with an atrocious Human rights record that hides behind America and plays the 'Poor Me' card whenever anyone questions them on their Genocidal policies and illegal land grabs

If America was not an ally of Israel, most Westerners wouldn't even know or care the same way most people don't know or care about the plight of Tamils in Sri Lanka or the brutal military regime in Myamar.

Again, NO, Some of us do care, we care deeply when we see people Basic rights being denied, what Irks us about Israel is hat they try to claim that they are a fair and free Democratic Society, We can se through their Bullsh!t, Burma never made such claims.

Tamils? Myamar? Yeah you never heard of them did you?

I have some very good friends who are Burmese Refugees, and I know a lot of Sri Lankans who have moved here inthe last few years.

Back to Priepke - he is an unrepentant Nazi murderer and a psychopath.
Whether he is 27 or 37 or 97 makes not a jot of difference.

Tell ya what I'll support your condemnation of Priepke if you Support the Efforts to have Ariel Sharon tried for the Shabra & Chatilla Massacres, or Tzippi Livnit Tried for her part in 'Operation Cast Lead'

Sound fair to you

At the very least he should be locked up in solitary 24/7 with only artificial electric light in a tiny cell.

At the very most he should be left to die slow hangng from a hook.

There are MANY in Israel that deserve the same fate, why should you get to pick and chose who is subecte to your twisted notion of 'Justice'??

Manic Moran · 15-10-2010 3:53am

To the other mods, see my post in the mod discussion forum on this thread.

To the rest of you, carry on, I'm getting my popcorn. I've not noticed the thread until now, but it does run the risk of crossing afoul some lines as it's historically a subject which crosses them eventually. Please review the forum rules before it does so.

NTM

marcsignal · 15-10-2010 4:05am

point taken mm, i've said my piece , don't want to offend anyone with an open mind ......

citizen_p · 24-10-2010 9:00pm

chainsaws wrote: »

The man is a mass murdering monster.:mad:

1. Mass murder (in military contexts, sometimes interchangeable with mass destruction) is the act of murdering a large number of people (four or more), typically at the same time or over a relatively short period of time.

2. is bombing of civilians not murder also? or other retaliation actions carried out by all sides. he killed 2 people, id say theres a good few RAF and luftwaffe pilots with a higher "kill count", also if you want to get really pathetic, is not all killings in a war murder? why arent the people who bombed hiroshima and nagisaki up for trial?

war is messy and rules dont generally apply when your sent out to kill your enemy and capture your objective.

I dont agree with reprisals*, but they happened at the time and for thousands of years before where towns where razed to the ground.

waits for backlash :pac:
**or nazi ideology, holocaust etc...

Fuinseog · 03-11-2010 9:37pm

No - he should not be permitted to leave his home

chainsaws wrote: »

The man is a mass murdering monster.:mad:

then throw the pilot of enola gay into prison. more were killed during the atom bombing than Priebke.

the allies also undertook reprisals when the werewolves shot at them.

Fuinseog · 03-11-2010 9:42pm

No - he should not be permitted to leave his home

chainsaws wrote: »

The man - if you can a monster like Priepke a man - is lucky to live in a society which does not still hang draw and quarter murdering scum like him.

During the Second World War when the 45th Division liberated more than 30,000 prisoners at Dachau. They were so shocked and outraged at their horrendous treatment that they gunned down the SS camp guards or handed them over the able-bodied prisoners who killed them.

That was justice. Justice and revenge are one and the same.

If I got my hands on that Nazi puke, he would die screaming in agony.

two wrongs do not make a right. the americans would have us believe that they were morally superior to the nazis, yet such actions were savage. gunning down and eating to death those guards after they had surrendered was murder.

Fuinseog · 03-11-2010 9:45pm

No - he should not be permitted to leave his home

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Manic Moran · 10-11-2010 6:10pm

My initials.

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jonniebgood1 · 11-11-2010 5:33pm

No - he should not be permitted to leave his home

Fuinseog wrote: »

then throw the pilot of enola gay into prison. more were killed during the atom bombing than Priebke.

the allies also undertook reprisals when the werewolves shot at them.

Whilst I an unsure about what should be done with Priebke and people in this situation I do feel they should pay for their crimes in some way.
I would draw a distinction between the pilot of the enola gay and an SS man involved in rounding up/ killing ethnic groups. That is which is the role of the aggressor in terms of the war, the USA entered the war following an attack on them. Before this their citizens had not been in favour of war. Germany and most of her citizens (not all) were willing to support the role their country played in attacking others.

Poll - Treatment of 97 yr old Erich Priebke

Erich Priebke - House Arrest terms 28 votes

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