Demands for ban on camper van parking

niloc1951 · 23-09-2014 11:04am #1

Now it's Dungarvans turn. I wonder what the local businesses will have to say when theirs tills reflect the loss of income.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/demands-for-ban-oncamper-van-parking-288036.html

These Councillors must never have seen the entourage of camper vans which follow cycle races throughout Europe. You only have to watch TG4 or Euronews broadcasts of those events and you will see hundreds of campers along the routes.

leeroybrown · 23-09-2014 11:09am

The example to look up here is Australia. It's gone from a culture of "free camping" with low cost commercial sites available to a situation where pressure from business interests has made free camping difficult/illegal in most areas and the cost of commercial sites have gone up heavily. I'm actually surprised it took so long for the business lobby to get onboard here.

revileandy · 23-09-2014 1:19pm

Just back from France and spent a small fortune on Shopping, Souvenirs, Wine, Diesel in multiple towns.

Why can't we be more like the French- if you want a high end campsite with all the facilities you can book it, if you just want a cheap stopover you can get an Aire.

Either way, it's legal, it's encouraged & you're putting money into the local economy, everyone wins

RiderOnTheStorm · 23-09-2014 1:38pm

I dont know .... are these things enforceable? Will they move on a Transit-convert but leave a builder's Transit? The classic VW camper is smaller than a lot of 4x4. Is this a thinly disguised attempt to stop the native-displaced-irish (ie the travelers) from parking up en-mass ? I think this is another example of the 'no overnight parking' rule, thats really aimed at campers, and nothing is done to cars that park overnight.

Malta1 · 23-09-2014 2:11pm

Similar moves being made in Wexford :mad:

AutostratusEB · 23-09-2014 4:44pm

We stopped over in the coach parking spots by the harbour in Dungarvan mid week at the end of August. We considered clonea caravan park but the weather wasn't great and we'd read a lot of bad reviews on the caravan park & staff. So we went into Dungarvan, dropped €70 in a great pub with food and did a shop spending around €30 in the nearby Supervalu the next day. There were 4 other vans there that night. We stayed in cobh the following 2 nights eating out locally both nights & into Cork on the train during the day.
Just my 2 cents.

pastense · 23-09-2014 7:37pm

A classic case of people being adamantly against something they know nothing about.
Its Ok though because the ferries to France are full of Irish camper vans every summer going to spend their cash in a country they feel welcome.
Leave it to them and flock to Cobh and other places that want us.
Go only where you're wanted and the others will come around soon enough.

Odyssey 2005 · 24-09-2014 3:16pm

Should have been in Lisdoonvarna last week. CamperVan /caravan central. Bet they spent a fortune....

piuswal · 24-09-2014 4:24pm

Can you specify exactly where please?
Having trouble finding details.

thanks

piuswal · 25-09-2014 12:57am

AutostratusEB wrote: »

We stopped over in the coach parking spots by the harbour in Dungarvan mid week at the end of August. We considered clonea caravan park but the weather wasn't great and we'd read a lot of bad reviews on the caravan park & staff. So we went into Dungarvan, dropped €70 in a great pub with food and did a shop spending around €30 in the nearby Supervalu the next day. There were 4 other vans there that night. We stayed in cobh the following 2 nights eating out locally both nights & into Cork on the train during the day.
Just my 2 cents.

Discussion hotting up in Dungarvan. 2 articles in local Observer newspaper last week. Both very pro campers. Strong repudiation of Councillor Nugent's claim of the large numbers on the occasion of the Sean Kelly Cycle Weekend in this week's Leader newspaper.

Councillors being lobbied before next meeting. Why not go onto Waterford Council website and get councillors email addresses and point out the economic value, comparison with other countries etc.

I intend doing so. Support would be welcome.

cerastes · 25-09-2014 1:01am

RiderOnTheStorm wrote: »

I dont know .... are these things enforceable? Will they move on a Transit-convert but leave a builder's Transit? The classic VW camper is smaller than a lot of 4x4. Is this a thinly disguised attempt to stop the native-displaced-irish (ie the travelers) from parking up en-mass ? I think this is another example of the 'no overnight parking' rule, thats really aimed at campers, and nothing is done to cars that park overnight.

They will not be approached about this, not that I think they utilise campervans much, just that they will not be approached

piuswal · 25-09-2014 2:10am

cerastes wrote: »

They will not be approached about this, not that I think they utilise campervans much, just that they will not be approached

The issue in Dungarvan seems to be one councillor possibly promoting the viewpoint of 1 or 2 very interested parties.
Unable or unwilling to see the bigger picture or the greater good.
The local business community were up in arms about rate increases, I'm sure they would not be too happy about efforts now underway to reduce their potential opportunities.

rocoso · 25-09-2014 2:30am

can you tell where are?

piuswal · 25-09-2014 9:28am

rocoso wrote: »

can you tell where are?

Sorry, do not understand the question?

CJhaughey · 25-09-2014 10:01am

piuswal wrote: »

Councillors being lobbied before next meeting. Why not go onto Waterford Council website and get councillors email addresses and point out the economic value, comparison with other counties etc.
.

FYP, show them the example in Cobh and that it can actually bring business into a town not drive it away.

piuswal · 25-09-2014 10:14am

CJhaughey wrote: »

FYP, show them the example in Cobh and that it can actually bring business into a town not drive it away.

Done.

All have got an email making all of the positive points made in this forum, in others and in the media.

What is needed now is more people to make the same points just in case they think it's just a very small few cranks.

As you might be aware the Councillor leading the campaign against motor homes made a grossly exaggerated claim as regards numbers on one particular occasion.

niloc1951 · 25-09-2014 10:29am

CJhaughey wrote: »

FYP, show them the example in Cobh and that it can actually bring business into a town not drive it away.

Sources tell me that Cobh are planning to increase the number of marked parking places over the coming winter, install services and levy a modest daily charge. In effect Cobh will be providing what we are used to when we visit France.

AND a number of councillors from the Dungarvan/Lismore electoral area have also visited Cobh and Midleton on a fact finding mission.

Watch this space, there is a lot of lobbying going on under the surface.

Additional direct emails to councillors can only be helpful, such emails could also be copied to the likes of a towns Junior Chamber or other organisations which represent the local business interests.

piuswal · 25-09-2014 11:08am

niloc1951 wrote: »

Sources tell me that Cobh are planning to increase the number of marked parking places over the coming winter, install services and levy a modest daily charge. In effect Cobh will be providing what we are used to when we visit France.

AND a number of councillors from the Dungarvan/Lismore electoral area have also visited Cobh and Midleton on a fact finding mission.

Watch this space, there is a lot of lobbying going on under the surface.

Additional direct emails to councillors can only be helpful, such emails could also be copied to the likes of a towns Junior Chamber or other organisations which represent the local business interests.

Great news.

Have 2 replies so far from Councillors. One positive and the other waiting to hear all the facts but saying he thinks both campsites and Aires can coexist.

Intend emailing all business I can get email addresses from Chamber of Commerce later today.

Anyone see all of the parking that seems to be available in New Ross?
Did not see any Camper specific signs but the availability of space seems remarkable.

Where in Cobh are they planning the spaces or have the spaces?

many thanks

piuswal · 25-09-2014 11:59am

Article from Dungarvan Leader this week

niloc1951 · 25-09-2014 4:24pm

piuswal wrote: »

Great news.

Have 2 replies so far from Councillors. One positive and the other waiting to hear all the facts but saying he thinks both campsites and Aires can coexist.

Intend emailing all business I can get email addresses from Chamber of Commerce later today.

Anyone see all of the parking that seems to be available in New Ross?
Did not see any Camper specific signs but the availability of space seems remarkable.

Where in Cobh are they planning the spaces or have the spaces?

many thanks

There are currently ten (I think) and the plan is to add more along the same line, see the attached photo

piuswal · 25-09-2014 5:21pm

Thanks for that.

Email addresses of all Waterford Councillors.

Have email more than 60 local businesses also.

They have been hit with large rates increases this year and are very annoyed with the council.

Thanks for the Cobh image

piuswal · 26-09-2014 12:26am

niloc1951 wrote: »

There are currently ten (I think) and the plan is to add more along the same line, see the attached photo

Anyone any idea as to how many campers there are north and south?

Might be useful to have a ball park figure for future reference . Cobh news is great. Thanks again Niloc

Heard Dolmen insure c 10k north and south and that is a very significant percentage of the market?

I also heard that you can go straight to Dolmen and get a quote - I know there's another thread dealing with insurance will post it there also.

Irishgoatman · 26-09-2014 8:42am

piuswal wrote: »

Anyone any idea as to how many campers there are north and south?

Might be useful to have a ball park figure for future reference . Cobh news is great. Thanks again Niloc

Heard Dolmen insure c 10k north and south and that is a very significant percentage of the market?

I also heard that you can go straight to Dolmen and get a quote - I know there's another thread dealing with insurance will post it there also.

When the debate on testing was going on the RSA told me that there were just over 13k campers registered in the republic and just over 10k taxed.

Malta1 · 26-09-2014 9:29am

E-mail sent to all of the councilers

I have reformatted the e-mail address' that were in the word doc attachment - you should not be able to copy and past the list of names below directly into the "To" or "BCC" in your e-mail.....makes life easier

niloc1951 · 26-09-2014 11:17am

Malta1 wrote: »

E-mail sent to all of the councilers

I have reformatted the e-mail address' that were in the word doc attachment - you should not be able to copy and past the list of names below directly into the "To" or "BCC" in your e-mail.....makes life easier

cllrpnugent@waterfordcouncil.ie; cllrtcronin@waterfordcouncil.ie; cllrddoocey@waterfordcouncil.ie; cllrdgeoghegan@waterfordcouncil.ie; cllrseodonnell@waterfordcouncil.ie; cllrjpratt@waterfordcouncil.ie; cllrjtobin@waterfordcouncil.ie; cllrsiwhelan@waterfordcouncil.ie; cllrjconway@waterfordcouncil.ie; cllrjgriffin@waterfordcouncil.ie; cllrbhannigan@waterfordcouncil.ie; cllrjkelly@waterfordcouncil.ie; cllrlosullivan@waterfordcouncil.ie; cllrequinlan@waterfordcouncil.ie; cllrlbrazil@waterfordcouncil.ie; cllrmbutler@waterfordcouncil.ie; cllrdclune@waterfordcouncil.ie; cllrjoleary@waterfordcouncil.ie; cllrmjoryan@waterfordcouncil.ie; cllrspower@waterfordcouncil.ie; cllrbbrennan@waterfordcouncil.ie; cllrjcummins@waterfordcouncil.ie; cllrjhearne@waterfordcouncil.ie; cllrloneill@waterfordcouncil.ie; cllrsreinhardt@waterfordcouncil.ie; cllrjamurphy@waterfordcouncil.ie; cllrjcarey@waterfordcouncil.ie; cllrddaniels@waterfordcouncil.ie; cllrpfitzgerald@waterfordcouncil.ie; cllremulligan@waterfordcouncil.ie; cllrmroche@waterfordcouncil.ie; cllrawyse@waterfordcouncil.ie

Thanks Malta1,

They copied and pasted OK for me from the word doc.

Anyone out there interested in doing the Kerry Councillors, for starters.

What order should we prioritise the 'hit list'

We got listened to when motor caravan testing was an issue, let's keep the ball rolling on this one now. We have six months to try and change attitudes before next spring.

Just a word of caution. Please try and avoid any reference to 'wild camping', it's OVERNIGHT PARKING we need, just like on mainland Europe

Click on the following link to see the difference THE DIFFERENCE

Malta1 · 26-09-2014 11:39am

I wonder is it worth generating a standard e-mail, like we done with the RSA?
I guess the Dungarvan one is slightly different in that we are responding to a specific newspaper article......probably the same is true for Kerry

But perhaps for the rest of them, a more general e-mail outlining the benifits to the area of overnight parking facilities might be in order?

niloc1951 · 04-10-2014 11:07pm

Sources tell me that some of the councillors who spoke out against the motorhome parking are to visit Midleton and Cobh to see what's provided there. Local print media reports that a different two visited the above towns last week in the company of representatives of The Phoenix Motorhome Club, local media also reports that the club has been invited to make a presentation to the councillors prior to their November meeting.

There is such a strong reaction to what took place at the September meeting of the Councillors that a u-turn could be on the cards and Dungarvan may well get an official motorhome parking place

piuswal · 05-10-2014 4:33am

niloc1951 wrote: »

Sources tell me that some of the councillors who spoke out against the motorhome parking are to visit Midleton and Cobh to see what's provided there. Local print media reports that a different two visited the above towns last week in the company of representatives of The Phoenix Motorhome Club, local media also reports that the club has been invited to make a presentation to the councillors prior to their November meeting.

There is such a strong reaction to what took place at the September meeting of the Councillors that a u-turn could be on the cards and Dungarvan may well get an official motorhome parking place

That's encouraging.
I'd be delighted to help with any efforts to canvass support with other LAs.
I was in Dungarvan last week, sans MH and raised the issue with a few people. All were positive.
Propose emailing both Councillors and business people again in the coming week.

demoreino · 05-10-2014 9:09pm

I emailed my thoughts on this subject to all the councillors in Waterford listed above on Tuesday 30th September .
I only got 1 reply and it supported our views on this matter .
Can I or should I name the councillor that replied ?
Kevin www.iwmotorhomes.ie

niloc1951 · 05-10-2014 10:25pm

Now, this is interesting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTPGpgabWbY but notice the sign. Where's the reference to no parking of motor-caravans :rolleyes:

pastense · 05-10-2014 11:53pm

niloc1951 wrote: »

Now, this is interesting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTPGpgabWbY but notice the sign. Where's the reference to no parking of motor-caravans :rolleyes:

There is an image of a CamperVan on the sign but what I'd like to know is, how is this 'law' enforced and what are the consequences of breaking this 'law'.
Its great to hear the local support and having decided not to visit Kerry ever again in my Campervan I'm now having a small change of mind but I'll watch this space because nobody will stop me from going where I want in my own country.
Kerry isn't a republic within a republic no more or less than any other county and while their councillors may have a little clout we don't elect them to deny rights to other Irish citizens.

Martin_D · 06-10-2014 12:08am

very interesting - would love to have heard the objectors and County Council on their reasons to seek to ban - none apparent to me. Great to see local community benefiting - at absolutely no cost to themselves - an absolute win win.

*Kol* · 06-10-2014 12:42am

pastense wrote: »

There is an image of a CamperVan on the sign but what I'd like to know is, how is this 'law' enforced and what are the consequences of breaking this 'law'.
Its great to hear the local support and having decided not to visit Kerry ever again in my Campervan I'm now having a small change of mind but I'll watch this space because nobody will stop me from going where I want in my own country.
Kerry isn't a republic within a republic no more or less than any other county and while their councillors may have a little clout we don't elect them to deny rights to other Irish citizens.

It's actually a caravan on the sign. Looks like a nice place. What are people's opinions of caravans camping overnight in car parks etc?

piuswal · 06-10-2014 12:50am

That's a great clip from Cromane.. I wonder did they find out how the ban originated?

Should the clip be copied to the Waterford Councillors?

Should it be copied to Dungarvan business people ?

Malta1 · 06-10-2014 1:56pm

demoreino wrote: »

I emailed my thoughts on this subject to all the councillors in Waterford listed above on Tuesday 30th September .
I only got 1 reply and it supported our views on this matter .
Can I or should I name the councillor that replied ?
Kevin www.iwmotorhomes.ie

Hi Kevin

You got one more than me so :eek:

niloc1951 · 06-10-2014 3:12pm

*Kol* wrote: »

It's actually a caravan on the sign. Looks like a nice place. What are people's opinions of caravans camping overnight in car parks etc?

The key difference is a motorhome is a motor vehicle and a caravan is a trailer. It is legal to park a motorcaravan where other motor vehicles are allowed to park.
It is not legal to leave an unhitched trailer on the public road.
Vehicle parking areas are part of the public road, if in doubt try your luck being over the drink drive limit and in charge of a vehicle in such a place.

The rule in Europe is that caravans are prohibited from being left unhitched on motorhome parking places.
Specifically in Spain winding down steadies is prohibited, try using a caravan without the steadies down :eek:

*Kol* · 06-10-2014 3:33pm

niloc1951 wrote: »

The key difference is a motorhome is a motor vehicle and a caravan is a trailer. It is legal to park a motorcaravan where other motor vehicles are allowed to park.
It is not legal to leave an unhitched trailer on the public road.
Vehicle parking areas are part of the public road, if in doubt try your luck being over the drink drive limit and in charge of a vehicle in such a place.

The rule in Europe is that caravans are prohibited from being left unhitched on motorhome parking places.
Specifically in Spain winding down steadies is prohibited, try using a caravan without the steadies down :eek:

I agree with what you say above. I do see more frequently caravans parking in areas where motorhomes are parking overnight (the "no overnight parking" areas). Are they more in the wrong given the rules above or is it a case of two wrongs making a right? Lastly should they be allowed to use public overnight parking facilities?

niloc1951 · 06-10-2014 5:39pm

*Kol* wrote: »

............................................... should they be allowed to use public overnight parking facilities?

Why not if they are just parking. SEE HERE FOR A DEFINITION

Our local authorities really do need to familiarise themselves on how the whole issue is dealt with in other European countries and in particular discover how parking and camping are separately defined as a means to prohibit camping where it's not appropriate.

campingcarist · 06-10-2014 6:18pm

On the continent, camper owners won the right to park in parking areas where truckers stopped overnight because, as truckers, motorhome owners also lived within the vehicle whereas, caraveners were towing their living quarters so did not live in their vehicle.

As time went on, small communities quickly saw the potential for their businesses by having designated areas for motorhomers who would purchase their needs and then continue on with their holidays. Thus, the numerous modern Aires were born.

I am sure that businesses in Ireland, especially those in smaller towns and villages, understand the benefit of having a regular passing trade. However, councillors, often with other interests, seem to not recognise the advantages.

Are the businesses in Dunmore East happy with the closing of the "aire" on the top of the cliffs?

piuswal · 06-10-2014 10:08pm

Very interesting video.

Alerted Dungarvan people about it.

Found http://www.motorcaravanningireland.org/; not sure how I missed it up to now.

Worth visiting re facilities if you have not seen it already.

Yes it seems Phoenix MHC are making a representation to Waterford Councillors prior to their November meeting as are representatives of the campsite owners.

I'm assuming that's the 2 local owners.

I'd be very interested as to how they'll make their case and how MH owners can easily access the town without having to pack up each time for a 4 to 8 km journey and then settle down again on their return to the campsite.

My views on Dungarvan options;

While the Lookout is a beautiful spot it has quite limited capacity. Quanns close by has much greater capacity, including easy access to water and power. I believe it could be readily developed into one of the best located urban Aires in the country. A very readily available and adaptable site, simply providing parking bays, is the car park on Friary Street which has a lot of capacity.

There are a number of other potential sites about, particularly close to the ring road and by the shopping centre.

All in all there are many potential sites in and about the town but to me Quanns has by far the greatest potential.

piuswal · 06-10-2014 10:15pm

campingcarist wrote: »

On the continent, camper owners won the right to park in parking areas where truckers stopped overnight because, as truckers, motorhome owners also lived within the vehicle whereas, caraveners were towing their living quarters so did not live in their vehicle.

As time went on, small communities quickly saw the potential for their businesses by having designated areas for motorhomers who would purchase their needs and then continue on with their holidays. Thus, the numerous modern Aires were born.

I am sure that businesses in Ireland, especially those in smaller towns and villages, understand the benefit of having a regular passing trade. However, councillors, often with other interests, seem to not recognise the advantages.

Are the businesses in Dunmore East happy with the closing of the "aire" on the top of the cliffs?

I see it was the Dept. of Agriculture closed the Aire in Dunmore, with some encouragement from the campsite owner, I'm told.
However, in contrast to Dungarvan, I believe the old Aire and the campsite, which I understand is being further developed for MH's (can anyone confirm this?), are close to each other and both are not too far from the village, so the main issue is cost - a not insignificant factor - more to to the campsite, less to everyone else in the village.

In Dungarvan the two campsites are of the order of 4 to 8 km from the town and so not readily accessible, especially for us more mature folk who would not fancy having to walk or jog to the town and back for whatever reason.

*Kol* · 06-10-2014 11:33pm

niloc1951 wrote: »

Why not if they are just parking. SEE HERE FOR A DEFINITION

Our local authorities really do need to familiarise themselves on how the whole issue is dealt with in other European countries and in particular discover how parking and camping are separately defined as a means to prohibit camping where it's not appropriate.

Am I correct to say that camping is not appropriate in Aires/overnight parking areas? If so then there are a lot of MH people currently who will not be happy campers (excuse the pun) if dedicated aires/overnight parking is provided as almost everywhere that I have witnessed overnight parking there has been tables and chairs, barbecues, leveling chocks etc

niloc1951 · 07-10-2014 12:13am

*Kol* wrote: »

Am I correct to say that camping is not appropriate in Aires/overnight parking areas? If so then there are a lot of MH people currently who will not be happy campers (excuse the pun) if dedicated aires/overnight parking is provided as almost everywhere that I have witnessed overnight parking there has been tables and chairs, barbecues, leveling chocks etc

There is a lot of misunderstanding on all sides here in Ireland concerning motorhome parking.

Those of us familiar with using Aires in Europe will understand the regulations.
Motorhome parking areas are solely for parking, if a person wants to wind out the awning, put out the furniture, set up the BBQ then you check into a camp-site.
Having said that a certain level of discreet bending of the rules is tolerated depending on the nature of the Aire and as long as it is within your parking space and it doesn't offend your neighbours or the local police. Lighting up a BBQ is definitely out though.

piuswal · 07-10-2014 12:38am

niloc1951 wrote: »

There is a lot of misunderstanding on all sides here in Ireland concerning motorhome parking.

Those of us familiar with using Aires in Europe will understand the regulations.
Motorhome parking areas are solely for parking, if a person wants to wind out the awning, put out the furniture, set up the BBQ then you check into a camp-site.
Having said that a certain level of discreet bending of the rules is tolerated depending on the nature of the Aire and as long as it is within your parking space and it doesn't offend your neighbours or the local police. Lighting up a BBQ is definitely out though.

My few visits to Aires in Spain and France would support this view.
I found that one could cook within the van and then sit out by the canal or river or green space and eat or have a drink, simply using your seat. As I said, that's from a very small sample. Though I suspect cooking and eating internally would not be an issue most places, though I'm open to correction on that point.

niloc1951 · 07-10-2014 9:25am

piuswal wrote: »

My few visits to Aires in Spain and France would support this view.
I found that one could cook within the van and then sit out by the canal or river or green space and eat or have a drink, simply using your seat. As I said, that's from a very small sample. Though I suspect cooking and eating internally would not be an issue most places, though I'm open to correction on that point.

AFAIK there is no activity of any kind prohibited in a vehicle anywhere. The one which we see sometimes No Overnight Sleeping is impossible to police, if the knock on the door isn't answered then it can't be proven someone is sleeping in the vehicle, if it is answered and all occupants are awake, ditto.

One wonders what goes on in some stretch limos.

Cooking up a bit of grub and sitting down to enjoy it with a glass of wine is hardly going to offend anyone

However if you are engaged in an activity which might cause offence to a passing member of the public is is probably best to have privacy glass or draw the blinds

Irishgoatman · 07-10-2014 11:57am

niloc1951 wrote: »

Now, this is interesting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTPGpgabWbY but notice the sign. Where's the reference to no parking of motor-caravans :rolleyes:

niloc is quite right, there is no reference to MH's on the sign but no-one being interviewed appeared to realise that.

A sign like that would certainly not worry me!, in fact I intend to take a trip down there if the weather holds.

pastense · 07-10-2014 12:17pm

Does anybody seriously believe that because there isn't an image of a Camper Van on the sign that it doesn't include them.
I'm afraid that's head in the sand stuff.
http://www.peicanada.com/eastern_graphic/article_5401677e-1cdb-11e4-b018-0019bb2963f4.html?mode=image
Have a look at this photo from another place and make up your own mind on what the sign means.

T650 · 07-10-2014 12:44pm

I spent a month on PEI with work. Lots of Irish and Scottish names together with the no nonsense attitude immigrants from these countries had

. Island originally settled by Irish immigrants from Monaghan area. Has long been the poorest province in Canada. Hard workers and friendly hosts, but with no love of bureaucrats.

Malta1 · 07-10-2014 12:45pm

pastense wrote: »

Does anybody seriously believe that because there isn't an image of a Camper Van on the sign that it doesn't include them.
I'm afraid that's head in the sand stuff.
http://www.peicanada.com/eastern_graphic/article_5401677e-1cdb-11e4-b018-0019bb2963f4.html?mode=image
Have a look at this photo from another place and make up your own mind on what the sign means.

Agree
However, I would be more interested to see what the powers that be have in the lines of legislation to enforce such "signage" and how "good" is their legislation if challenged

I get the feeling that its a "band wagon" thing at this stage - one local authority does it and the rest follow. I have heard of an incident where a guy in Wexford was asked to move his campervan/motorhome out of a beach carpark during the day - he explained that he was not staying over night but was told quiet firmly that he could not stay.......I will take a look to see if I can find link to report

Was reported in both local & national media
http://www.independent.ie/regionals/wexfordpeople/news/council-criticised-for-its-camper-van-policy-30467258.html

Irishgoatman · 07-10-2014 1:55pm

pastense wrote: »

Does anybody seriously believe that because there isn't an image of a Camper Van on the sign that it doesn't include them.
I'm afraid that's head in the sand stuff.
http://www.peicanada.com/eastern_graphic/article_5401677e-1cdb-11e4-b018-0019bb2963f4.html?mode=image
Have a look at this photo from another place and make up your own mind on what the sign means.

That sign clearly refers to caravans and tents as shown. It's irrelevant to try saying that it means something else, are we supposed to read the minds of councillors?. I would love to argue this one in a court of law.

pastense · 07-10-2014 3:28pm

Irishgoatman wrote: »

That sign clearly refers to caravans and tents as shown. It's irrelevant to try saying that it means something else, are we supposed to read the minds of councillors?. I would love to argue this one in a court of law.

I'd leave the arguing in court to qualified legal people myself. NO CAMPING means what it says and a Motorhome/Camper Van comes under that umbrella whether we like it or not. Just because it doesn't include an image is childish, we are not 5 year olds.

To maintain that the sign was not intended to include Motorhomes/Camper Vans is letting the Council/Councillors off the hook.

Demands for ban on camper van parking

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