Any planned protest marches?

HellFireClub · 21-11-2010 10:55pm

The only way I can see us getting out of this is to organise a protest and STAY out on the streets until we get an election. This rubbish of there always being something more important to attend to before we can have an election, a mini-budget, another budget, a bank guaratee, IMF and EU "technical visits", whatever, we need to stop accepting this at this stage, it's time to press the stop button for the conveyor belt system that is feeding us problem after problem after problem, crisis after crisis, disaster after disaster...

I know the opposition is useless but we need to get rid of the current set up, we are being beld dry without a plan to get out of this...

Slideshowbob · 21-11-2010 11:14pm

Anyone else want to have a protest?

Can I get a +1?

Tomorrow evening? Merrion Steet?

Any takers?

cazzak79 · 21-11-2010 11:16pm

who should take over the leadership of fianna fail?

sparkling sea · 21-11-2010 11:16pm

Don't live in Dublin but if I did I would be there however I will bang a saucepan where I live if we can coordinate times

Faustino · 22-11-2010 2:32am

Some light trouble outside the Dail this evening.. i particularly loved the way the Gardai threw the elderly guy to the ground who was standing in front of the ministers car.

I want a peaceful protest at the IMF coming in, but if the guards are going to carry on like this then violence will not be avoided.

meglome · 22-11-2010 7:18am

Don't have a good shot of it but there was a big banner outside government buildings last night. It had something like "€540 billion worth of gas robbed, nationalise Corrib field".

It can be seen here on some of these videos. http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1121/economy.html#video

I'd just like to direct something to the people who made this banner. Considering the country is in shíte why, oh why do you need to make up stuff like this to put on a banner. No gas has been landed at all so how the hell could €540 billion worth be stolen. This fantasy figure is getting bigger every time it appears in print. You're no better than the government you're protesting against.

Faustino · 22-11-2010 7:33am

meglome wrote: »

Don't have a good shot of it but there was a big banner outside government buildings last night. It had something like "€540 billion worth of gas robbed, nationalise Corrib field".

It can be seen here on some of these videos. http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1121/economy.html#video

I'd just like to direct something to the people who made this banner. Considering the country is in shíte why, oh why do you need to make up stuff like this to put on a banner. No gas has been landed at all so how the hell could €540 billion worth be stolen. This fantasy figure is getting bigger every time it appears in print. You're no better than the government you're protesting against.

Unfortunately when issues like this arise there will always be a portion of people who want to cause trouble or hijack any kind of protest for their own reasons.

I just want to see a well planned march on the Dail without any assistance by the unions and especially without the socialist "workers" party.

I feel the message can be gotten across without any sort of violence which would unfortunately dominate media coverage.

Numbers are starting to build up.. if you haven't joined please do now

Jonny7 · 22-11-2010 8:33am

The Greeks went and protested after their bailout

They were protesting against the corruption and ineptitude of their government

There was violence and some people died

The rest of the world thought they were protesting against having to tighten their belts after their bailout. We'll get that same view..

Plus..

If we do protest, the crust brigade will turn up with their dogs and rats-tails and start throwing bricks at mcdonalds - will not achieve anything

Faustino · 22-11-2010 3:39pm

Jonny7 wrote: »

The Greeks went and protested after their bailout

They were protesting against the corruption and ineptitude of their government

There was violence and some people died

The rest of the world thought they were protesting against having to tighten their belts after their bailout. We'll get that same view..

Plus..

If we do protest, the crust brigade will turn up with their dogs and rats-tails and start throwing bricks at mcdonalds - will not achieve anything

So for the fear of something kicking off we should do nothing?

If this was France, the UK or Germany there would be riots happening already. We're a civilized nation here.. what happened in Greece would never happen here.

meglome · 22-11-2010 4:43pm

Faustino wrote: »

Unfortunately when issues like this arise there will always be a portion of people who want to cause trouble or hijack any kind of protest for their own reasons.

I just want to see a well planned march on the Dail without any assistance by the unions and especially without the socialist "workers" party.

I feel the message can be gotten across without any sort of violence which would unfortunately dominate media coverage.

I'm all for a protest without the unions or far left/right. Though things do seem to be happening now.

Faustino wrote: »

Numbers are starting to build up.. if you haven't joined please do now

I don't have much of an issue with the IMF/ECB, I'd trust them over our own government.

Jonny7 wrote: »

The Greeks went and protested after their bailout

They were protesting against the corruption and ineptitude of their government

There was violence and some people died

The rest of the world thought they were protesting against having to tighten their belts after their bailout. We'll get that same view..

Plus..

If we do protest, the crust brigade will turn up with their dogs and rats-tails and start throwing bricks at mcdonalds - will not achieve anything

The Greek marches seemed to have a lot of people shouting 'tax the rich'. Since our rich already pay the highest percentage of tax it would be a problem.

cc-offe · 23-11-2010 2:25am

I know it is too late but are there any protests due to happen during the week or weekend, does anyone know?

alang184 · 23-11-2010 2:32am

RTE (very surprisingly) mentioned that there is some kind of Unions-organised protest next week, or possibly this weekend. Google 'SIPTU', 'UNITE' etc. and look for info.

23-11-2010 12:39pm

cc-offe wrote: »

I know it is too late but are there any protests due to happen during the week or weekend, does anyone know?

Wednesday 24 Nov.:

SWP/PBPA lunchtime picket outside Dept. of Finance. More info here.

Thursday 25 Nov.:

Twitter organised, silent protest outside Dail. More info here.

Saturday 27 Nov.:

ICTU national demo. Meeting at 12pm at Wood Quay. More info here.

1% network block for ICTU demo. Meeting at 11:30am outside The Lord Edward. More info here.

the immortals · 23-11-2010 6:21pm

the groutch wrote: »

apartently there's a demonstration (march to GPO) due for next saturday by all the lefties, maybe you can join them?

learn to spell rightie

pah · 23-11-2010 7:05pm

Faustino wrote: »

i particularly loved the way the Gardai threw the elderly guy to the ground who was standing in front of the ministers car..

I particularly loved the way RTE didn't show the rest of the footage and how that man behaved both before during and after his arrest.

Aranthos Faroth · 23-11-2010 8:12pm

So,
I've been looking around at some of the other threads in the 'Irish Economy' section of this site and noticed that alot of people were beginning to get.. well angry. Angry at the government that promised us the world.

I've been to quite a few rallies lately as I for one, am very annoyed at our government and political system.
However, the turnout was very poor.
There are over 5 million people in Ireland that are going to be effected by this budget and bailout.
It will drive people from their homes in search of jobs in foreign countries!
It will cut your wage, raise your taxes and take from you your freedom!
And yet people still sit idly by and watch it all happen on the T.V.

You cannot say that you aren't someone that rants about how poorly the country is run! For the past year, every single person I have spoken to has said how they were angry at our government! And yet they still did not get out of their chairs and stand infront of the person they were angry at and tell them!

This government effectively stole billions of euro's from the Irish republic!
Yet still people are more concerned with what is on the telly tonight, or what they will wear on Saturday night!

This isn't a rally speech, or propaganda to get a riot started.
This is just a simple rant, by a simple man.
An Irishman who is sick and tired of not counting in the country!
They tell you your vote counts when they come knocking on your door.
The give you the world for those 5 mins they are on your sofa!

And yet they have just sold the county to Europe!

My ultimate statement from all this, is:
Why not stand up for not only yourself but your children! Your relatives! Your neighbor! Your friends! Your family! Your fellow Irish citisens!!

Or.. you could just make a cup of cha and wait.. wait for Europe to knock on your door and take your tea bags and cup..

23-11-2010 8:14pm

So...What are you actually marching for?

wylo · 23-11-2010 8:15pm

Whats the objective? FF are about to go out of power.
If its against the budget then people are STILL living in cuckoo land.

Kev_ps3 · 23-11-2010 8:17pm

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

So...What are you actually marching for?

Take a wild guess:rolleyes:

Kev_ps3 · 23-11-2010 8:20pm

wylo wrote: »

Whats the objective? FF are about to go out of power.
If its against the budget then people are STILL living in cuckoo land.

What a stupid post. FF will target the weakest in society with savage cuts. People should protest the budget.

Aranthos Faroth · 23-11-2010 8:24pm

wylo wrote: »

Whats the objective? FF are about to go out of power.
If its against the budget then people are STILL living in cuckoo land.

So what if FF are going out of power?
Ireland needs a complete remake of it's political parties.
If FF aren't in power, SF could be or FG even. All of these parties are the exact same.
If they really believed in the rights of the Irish people, they would have made their points known in the celtic tiger!
This was not a one party game mate, this was the entire political system and the people who helped 'run/ruin' it.

This is not my march, infact it is the ICTU who have organised it.
I'm not part of their organisation, and I cannot speak for them.
I however, and going to voice my opinion.
To let the ignorant government know how I feel.

Nolanger · 23-11-2010 8:34pm

They know how you feel already and don't care.

23-11-2010 8:37pm

Aranthos Faroth wrote: »

So what if FF are going out of power?
Ireland needs a complete remake of it's political parties.
If FF aren't in power, SF could be or FG even. All of these parties are the exact same.
If they really believed in the rights of the Irish people, they would have made their points known in the celtic tiger!
This was not a one party game mate, this was the entire political system and the people who helped 'run/ruin' it.

This is not my march, infact it is the ICTU who have organised it.
I'm not part of their organisation, and I cannot speak for them.
I however, and going to voice my opinion.
To let the ignorant government know how I feel.

Ha and the ICTU have had no part in the mess we're in? The ICTU care about the vulnerable? No they don't. They care about themselves and their membership, to the detriment of the country.

Aranthos Faroth · 23-11-2010 8:43pm

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

Ha and the ICTU have had no part in the mess we're in? The ICTU care about the vulnerable? No they don't. They care about themselves and their membership, to the detriment of the country.

Nowhere did I say I liked ICTU.
Nowhere did I say I liked Eirigi or any damn bandwagon groups!

I can't actually understand how you people are finding ways out of not going.
I'm going to voice my opinion. This is a set time for Irish people to meet and voice it.
This applies to Nolangers response aswell.
It takes more than 1 person to stand up to this government, it takes more than 1000.
That's why I am asking people to join us (As in the Irish people) on Saturday.

If you don't want to go guys/girls, don't.
Just don't make excuses.

kris44 · 23-11-2010 9:54pm

The general apathy of the people in this country is really sickening and quite shameful. Its been bred into us after generations of ignorance.
Its quite a typical Irish thing, having lived in many parts of this country I am speaking from experience. He who goes against the status quo is generally shunned as an outsider - anyone who tries to change things instead of just going with the flow is shunned and people will argue without cause just to shut them up.

I will be marching, and I will attend as many marches as I can. It really is time people stood up against this government.

Gillo · 23-11-2010 10:02pm

With all these marches happening does anyone know where I can hire a hotdog stand? Gonna make a fortune!!

Seriously though, if you feel the need to march and PEACEFULLY protest, go for it. I still can see the point of this march, FF are as good as out and either way the county needs the bailout.

Inquitus · 23-11-2010 10:22pm

I am organising an inclusive march for everyone in our society under the banner of "No cuts for me please, down with that sort of thing! Careful now, cuts for everyone else please"

Sleepy · 23-11-2010 10:27pm

I really don't see the point at this stage. The government will be gone within a couple of months, the IMF are already here and there's nothing any of us can do about it. I'd have been up for protests calling on the government to resign, respect the democratic process in the by-election constituencies etc. up until this week other than for the fact any march of the kind would be hijacked.

If anyone organise a march against the government in this country it gets hijacked by the same Socialist Workers Party / Eirigi / Sinn Fein nutters that hijack every other march. There's a good reason those parties attract low numbers to their own marches: the majority of us don't agree with their ridiculously naieve views and don't wish to give anyone the impression that there's anything more than a small fringe that share those views.

If those groups wish to show support for another groups march, how difficult is it to simply join the march, leave your own organisations banners at home and behave like a law abiding citizen rather than an inbred thug?

Unfortunately, I can't see these idiots learning how to do that so when the Labour party decide to screw us private sector workers further in the coming years I still won't be able to take to the streets to protest, I'll be resigned to emailing TD's in the full knowledge that they'll be ignored.

23-11-2010 10:52pm

Thread locked.

pah · 24-11-2010 12:36am

Papa Smut wrote: »

Thread locked.

Thread Unlocked.

pah · 24-11-2010 12:38am

seriously though do you not have to give some reason for a thread lock, such as thread off topic, derailed run it's course etc.. rather than just locking it?

which you don't seem to have done btw.

Faustino · 24-11-2010 2:07am

They've been trying to keep this thread quiet for the last two days.

Uuuh Patsy · 24-11-2010 4:59am

I know it its remote but if there is a March and the Authorities crack down, is it likely the semi retired provos might rear their heads against the state. Are we looking at dare I say a potential republican campaign on our own doorstep. Seems to me the current state of affairs are even worse than NI being occupied. Even the South will be answerable to external powers. I have a bad feeling about all of this.

Slideshowbob · 24-11-2010 7:46am

What great country we are in

A thread I started a few days back as i was interested in organising a protest was merged in here and I see it has come to nought. I look at recent posts and nothing but chatter about why one should / should not protest baloney

So I'll ask a simple question in the simple hope someone can respond with an answer as to if there are any planned marches soon?

Uuuh Patsy · 24-11-2010 8:47am

Well I'm on the other side of the planet but AFAIK theres on on the 27th from Woodquay to the GPO... Somebody might be able to confirm this... I truely wish I could partake..

Gillo · 24-11-2010 11:23am

Slideshowbob wrote: »

So I'll ask a simple question in the simple hope someone can respond with an answer as to if there are any planned marches soon?

Theres one this Saturday

Maddylicious · 24-11-2010 11:37am

Uriel. wrote: »

Protesting is a waste of time, a significant cost to the State and is rarely peaceful or law abiding despite the good intentions of some of the protesters.

It causes traffic chaos, damages the operations of business' and is a general nuisance. Save your protests for election day.

And that statement is based on what exactly Uriel???? So if protesting is a waste of time how come the french do it so much - becuase it works. They have gotten a number of bills scrapped/reversed due to their protesting. The difference between Ireland and France is that the French Government listens to its people because its afraid of them. The Irish Government are laughing at the people and insulting us with their actions! So what do you suggest we do? Just sit around like we normally do and bitch and moan but do NOTHING?! come on.. its due to the fact that we've always done nothing that the Government has pushed through the whole bank bailout and many other unsavouries long before it and just expects us to swallow it like a bitter pill and say nothing. Its the fact that we've done nothing that Brian Cowen still has the gall to hold onto power even after flat out lying to the nation only last week. I for one cannot bear looking at his pig ignorant face until March so I will be there this Saturday. It doesnt matter if people are there due to the bailout, the budget, to get an earlier general election or to force Cowen out now. Whats important is that we all turn up because we all love our country enough to get off our asses and DO SOMETHING. And if you're not prepared to do something then please don't begrudge those who are.

Maddylicious · 24-11-2010 11:46am

zig wrote: »

Two groups here, but neither have a bulls notion whats actually going on, they have little understanding of politics or economics, they just wanna "storm d dail n get d mony robbn scum outta pwer"

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Call-for-a-revolution-in-Ireland/116110171774654

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=153710104661752

Zig, its a very small minority in this country who have more than a little understanding of politics or economics. Thats exactly the way the Govnerment has wanted it and they've kept the people uninformed for a reason. If people really knew what they had been up to over the past decade or more FF would have been out on their ear a long long time ago. Some people are now taking it upon themselves to make a stand in any way how. A facebook page might not seem like much to you or the next person and you're probably right in saying that the people who set it up might not see the big picture but at least they're doing SOMETHING

Spiritofthekop · 24-11-2010 3:42pm

Faustino wrote: »

I'm not condoning rioting in any way shape or form, i'm just surprised it's not happening.. the French take to the streets at any sign of a cut.

The Irish just seem to take it lying down which is the most troubling thing.

We said no to Lisbon, we were bullied into voting again.. the threat of us not voting yes was basically what is happening now.

Why shouldn't we take to the streets?

Agree. Where is the spirit gone? fighting Irish my a##e....

Everyone hiding in their houses hoping it will get better.

You might as well go abroad and have some kids outside this country cause your future children are going to want to use their second nationality passport to get the hell out of this country & set up home when they are old enough.

Shocking that this country has got so LAZY.

Chairman Meow · 24-11-2010 5:51pm

Spiritofthekop wrote: »

Agree. Where is the spirit gone? fighting Irish my a##e....

Everyone hiding in their houses hoping it will get better.

You might as well go abroad and have some kids outside this country cause your future children are going to want to use their second nationality passport to get the hell out of this country & set up home when they are old enough.

Shocking that this country has got so LAZY.

Exactly. people would rather complain anonymously on the internet. Yeah, that'll get **** done :rolleyes:
Protesting may not achieve anything, but at least it lets the government know, the people sure as hell arent happy with how youre running things. But i guess its easier to sit on your arse and moan but not actually do anything

Aranthos Faroth · 24-11-2010 7:25pm

Moondust wrote: »

Hi all,

Please sign up to the Today fm petition to speak directly to us, the Irish People, in a State Of The Nation address on national television

http://www.todayfm.com/Shows/Weekdays/Ian-Dempsey-Breakfast-Show/Petition.aspx

Well.. someone had to put an add on here...

whythetyre · 24-11-2010 7:33pm

Spiritofthekop wrote: »

Agree. Where is the spirit gone? fighting Irish my a##e....

Everyone hiding in their houses hoping it will get better.

You might as well go abroad and have some kids outside this country cause your future children are going to want to use their second nationality passport to get the hell out of this country & set up home when they are old enough.

Shocking that this country has got so LAZY.

Where's it gone?! The Irish People as we have been for the last 100 years, progressively whittled down with emigration of the bravest, are a bunch of cowards. No one supported the rebellion of 1916 at the time, but its leaders are now regarded as heroes. F*** us all.

h2pogo · 24-11-2010 10:17pm

I hope this has been posted already..

March from Wood Quay Dublin to the GPO at 11am Saturday 27th

I am asking that the Irish people unite, as our forefathers did, and take to the streets at 11am Saturday 27th from Wood Quay Dublin, to voice our anger and concern over the actions of our politicians and what is happening to Ireland.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ing8xH3Qj-k&feature=player_embedded

expectationlost · 24-11-2010 10:18pm

nobody else is an excuse for you not to protest on saturday

irishh_bob · 24-11-2010 11:06pm

if 7% is indeed the interest rate on this bailout ( loan ) , then we all need to be on the streets as this is nothing short of a slave auction , we will be looking at a multi generation mortgage around our necks and for what , so german pension funds can be saved , british banks dont collapse and the euro doesnt disintegrate , fcuk the EU , were an island as lenny ;)said , we can deal direct with the IMF , this will probabley leaving the euro and being a pariah but we can at least wipe the slate clean and while life will be abnormal for a few years , at least we will be in control of our own affairs compared to what our future would look like with olly renn or his son vetting our anual budget , i dont buy the line that outsiders can look out for us better , its naieve in the extreme , just because fianna fail and the whole culture they have created is rotten , doesnt mean we as a people cannot reform our system and create a more accountable and transparent system , we are a great people , it just the best of us either usually left in the past or got overlooked due to our clientist orientated disaster of an electoral system

if we put our neck in the EU noose that is this bailout ( with its alledged 7% interest rate ) , we are committing national and economic suicide

h2pogo · 24-11-2010 11:25pm

irishh_bob wrote: »

if 7% is indeed the interest rate on this bailout ( loan ) , then we all need to be on the streets as this is nothing short of a slave auction , we will be looking at a multi generation mortgage around our necks and for what , so german pension funds can be saved , british banks dont collapse and the euro doesnt disintegrate , fcuk the EU , were an island as lenny ;)said , we can deal direct with the IMF , this will probabley leaving the euro and being a pariah but we can at least wipe the slate clean and while life will be abnormal for a few years , at least we will be in control of our own affairs compared to what our future would look like with olly renn or his son vetting our anual budget , i dont buy the line that outsiders can look out for us better , its naieve in the extreme , just because fianna fail and the whole culture they have created is rotten , doesnt mean we as a people cannot reform our system and create a more accountable and transparent system , we are a great people , it just the best of us either usually left in the past or got overlooked due to our clientist orientated disaster of an electoral system

if we put our neck in the EU noose that is this bailout ( with its alledged 7% interest rate ) , we are committing national and economic suicide

Great post..

When people realize the fraudulent system of fractional reserve banking imposed by the IMF/world bank/ecb/city of london is the problem and can only enslave us with debt then can we move on and find a solution..

jackcee · 25-11-2010 12:05am

Maddylicious wrote: »

And that statement is based on what exactly Uriel???? So if protesting is a waste of time how come the french do it so much - becuase it works. They have gotten a number of bills scrapped/reversed due to their protesting. The difference between Ireland and France is that the French Government listens to its people because its afraid of them. The Irish Government are laughing at the people and insulting us with their actions! So what do you suggest we do? Just sit around like we normally do and bitch and moan but do NOTHING?! come on.. its due to the fact that we've always done nothing that the Government has pushed through the whole bank bailout and many other unsavouries long before it and just expects us to swallow it like a bitter pill and say nothing. Its the fact that we've done nothing that Brian Cowen still has the gall to hold onto power even after flat out lying to the nation only last week. I for one cannot bear looking at his pig ignorant face until March so I will be there this Saturday. It doesnt matter if people are there due to the bailout, the budget, to get an earlier general election or to force Cowen out now. Whats important is that we all turn up because we all love our country enough to get off our asses and DO SOMETHING. And if you're not prepared to do something then please don't begrudge those who are.

We have two guys in our operation who wouldn't work to keep themselves warm. We just about keep them on - because both have particular family situations. It is always touch and go, as we have the other staff to consider.
Anyway this afternoon, we had a full staff meeting to share some announcements. Our two bucks took the opportunity of the gathering to urge their colleagues to "march" on Saturday - and one of them announced with a straight face, that "it was time for people to get off their asses and DO SOMETHING".
Jesus wept.

dsmythy · 25-11-2010 12:50am

h2pogo wrote: »

I hope this has been posted already..

March from Wood Quay Dublin to the GPO at 11am Saturday 27th

I am asking that the Irish people unite, as our forefathers did, and take to the streets at 11am Saturday 27th from Wood Quay Dublin, to voice our anger and concern over the actions of our politicians and what is happening to Ireland.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ing8xH3Qj-k&feature=player_embedded

Oh Jim Corr himself. Tinfoil hats are free.

h2pogo · 25-11-2010 1:04am

dsmythy wrote: »

Oh Jim Corr himself. Tinfoil hats are free.

What do you think is tinfoil hat about what he said in that Vid?

He is one of the few people who is addressing the route cause of the problem.

And he has the courage to say what others wont say in fear of their reputations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ing8xH3Qj-k&feature=player_embedded

Edward Gibbon · 25-11-2010 1:20am

Not involved in any way of organising or know anyone involved but I'll be there.

Irish Times

Facebook

If you can't, or don't want, to wait for Saturday.

PS: SF, etal, PLEASE silent peaceful demonstartion of (normal) Citizens.

Any planned protest marches?

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