New Mk6 Golf on the way

colm_mcm · 04-05-2006 7:58pm #1

This is the new Golf due in 2008.

No major mechanical changes AFAIK except for that 1.4 Turbo.

2008 is a little early by VW standards. The Mk5 isn't out all that long

Auto express ran a picture last week with slightly different headlights.

ciarsd · 04-05-2006 8:00pm

Obviously using the very same platform and (some panels) as the current Audi A3!

colm_mcm · 04-05-2006 8:03pm

rear lights look familiar alright!

pburns · 04-05-2006 8:06pm

Yes, there was an article in last months CAR detailing how the current car is not selling as well as anticipated. Japanese/Koreans continue to make in-roads. Also the new Astra tougher compewtition than expected.
Even more importantly, the Golf's manufacturing costs are way higher than Focus etc. The new model will be cheaper to build.

colm_mcm · 04-05-2006 8:16pm

Don't think it's daring enough for a car that will be on sale till about 2013. looks quite dull.

weemcd · 04-05-2006 8:44pm

eugh dont like it at all.

fingers crosses gti's and r32's will have deprciated like stones by then though

colm_mcm · 04-05-2006 8:46pm

Current Seat Leon is far better looking IMHO (albeit an Alfa 147 rip-off)

Anan1 · 04-05-2006 8:58pm

ciarsd wrote:

Obviously using the very same platform and (some panels) as the current Audi A3!

The current A3 is built on the Golf Mk5 platform.

Tipsy Mac · 04-05-2006 9:32pm

Looks like an A3 crossbred with the new Polo. Doesn't strike me as a Golf at all. I read the current Golf takes 3 times longer to build than their best competitors similar car.

junkyard · 04-05-2006 9:37pm

Another blandmobile from VW, I hope they put super glue on the options list.:)

colm_mcm · 04-05-2006 9:49pm

Anan1 wrote:

The current A3 is built on the Golf Mk5 platform.

the Mk6 will be built on the MK5 platform too... so that explains that!

bazz26 · 04-05-2006 10:04pm

The side profile is very Audi A3.

I hope they ditch those 1.4 75bhp and 1.6 102bhp engines for something a bit more modern.

colm_mcm · 04-05-2006 10:10pm

I hate the way Audi, Skoda and VW design cues cross over.

The George Michael Goatee

for example

Or the rear light treatment

surely Audi drivers will realise that they're paying extra for no reason?

crosstownk · 04-05-2006 10:16pm

To me it looks like small Passat hathchback - not very inventive of VW as it looks so much like the current model. Certain A3 qualities too.

unkel · 04-05-2006 10:17pm

That's the first Golf that I like the look of since the Mk II :eek:

colm_mcm wrote:

Don't think it's daring enough for a car that will be on sale till about 2013

Have to agree with you there. Looks more like a car about to be launched now with end of life in 2009

BrianD3 · 04-05-2006 10:21pm

bazz26 wrote:

The side profile is very Audi A3.

I hope they ditch those 1.4 75bhp and 1.6 102bhp engines for something a bit more modern.

But will your average VW buyer even notice or care if they continue with the old units? For years VW have been getting away with fitting crap (petrol) engines to bloated cars. It shows the strength of the VW brand and marketing. Have to laugh when I hear VW owners going on about how their 75 bhp, 1.4 tonne Golf is "German engineered"

colm_mcm · 04-05-2006 10:21pm

put that beside the imminent new Corolla and Focus. or even the current Civic or Leon and I'd say it's pretty boring.

ninty9er · 04-05-2006 10:36pm

If it was any more interbred it'd have 5 wheels

It's the Polo but bigger with Passatish headlights, Golf PLUS height and A3 3/4 panel

crosstownk · 04-05-2006 11:02pm

The one thing about a VW Golf is that it will sell regardless of looks. That's the weird thing about Golfs - why is that?

BrianD3 · 04-05-2006 11:17pm

The one thing about a VW Golf is that it will sell regardless of looks. That's the weird thing about Golfs - why is that?

Marketing and image. You have to hand it to VW - they really have built up great image for their cars, the Golf in particular. It is highly rated by everyone from middle aged housewives to builders to trendy twentysomething girlies.

Doesn't matter how it looks or drives really.

bazz26 · 04-05-2006 11:35pm

Maybe it is just good marketing by VW over the last 30 years. Unfortunately VW seem to be living off this these days rather than reinventing it. The Golf is not a bad car, far be it but I just don't see it being anything special (GTi and R32 maybe aside) to justify the over inflated prices.

Maybe it represents a kind of status symbol to some people? Being able to tick the options list like you have on big executive cars gives it that exclusive impression or some people may be sold on the feel good factor you get from the "clunk" sound you get when closing the door.

As I said I see nothing wrong with the Golf (aside from those terrible weak entry level engines) but I fail to see anything above average in it to justify paying above average prices for it.

Obviously other people out there do as all you have to do is look at carzone, etc to see what some people are looking for 4 or 5 year Golfs, knowing that they will find someone who will pay it.

crosstownk · 04-05-2006 11:51pm

I agree with you bazz. It's time they took a different departure with regars to design. I don't mean radical by any means - just different. The MkI & II had little differences - the MkIII was a bit different. The most impressive change was with the MkIV - the V is very similar to the IV. And by all acount the MkVI will be more or less the same thing. Things in Wolfsburg are getting boring.

drdre · 05-05-2006 8:27pm

id prefer the new model r32.it looks much better than the new golf model.:D .but the price is ridiculous for the r32

Big Balls · 06-05-2006 4:58pm

I don't believe for one minute that there'll be a new model Golf in 2008.

Auto Express have been running pictures of the "new S3" for the last few years, there's STILL no S3.

It's a very unreliable magazine.

Lex Luthor · 06-05-2006 5:36pm

Big Balls wrote:

I don't believe for one minute that there'll be a new model Golf in 2008.

Its happening alright. It wasn't supposed to be released until 2009 but VW have brought its release in by a year due to increased competition for other brands such as Opel/Toyota/Ford releasing their new models in that range in 2008.

This is just what I read...don't quote me

lomb · 06-05-2006 6:00pm

Big Balls wrote:

I don't believe for one minute that there'll be a new model Golf in 2008.

Auto Express have been running pictures of the "new S3" for the last few years, there's STILL no S3.

It's a very unreliable magazine.

uk-mkivs is talking about it also, i think it will happen, although if thats the mk6 they can keep it, the mkv looks far better imho. even the mk 4 is a good looker. and briand3 id rather my 1.4 vw 2003 golf to a french renault or peugeot anyday. the general engineering is far superior. they have their flaws but they are minor ones from suppliers and not from vw themselves.

BrianD3 · 06-05-2006 7:19pm

lomb wrote:

briand3 id rather my 1.4 vw 2003 golf to a french renault or peugeot anyday. the general engineering is far superior.

In what way is the engineering far superior?

colm_mcm · 06-05-2006 7:32pm

I think he might mean the way the equivelant 307 only has 90bhp, the Megane only 100bhp, while the Golf manages to find a hefty 75bhp

Darwin · 06-05-2006 8:33pm

According to WhatCar magazine, there is a golf on the way this summer with a 1.4 petrol engine driven by both a supercharger and a turbocharger giving 168bhp and 38mpg! Looks like it'll cost over 30K if it goes on sale here...

lomb · 06-05-2006 9:33pm

BrianD3 wrote:

In what way is the engineering far superior?

everything tends to work after 30000 miles(and 65 in my mothers), german looks, badge, firm yet comfortable seats, ride quality, noise control, damped grap handles, rubbers in all storage compartments, dash that isnt made out of yogurt pots, short snick gearbox, very high resale value, reliable electrics that are sealed at the connectors with water proof connections, galvanized body, abs breaks with ultra safe neutral handeling with zero overstear under provocation in sharp bends , safe in a crash ,ready availabilty of aftermarket parts for modding, seat fabrics, carpet fabrics, smart looking keys, even the professionally bound manual with the vw emblem stiched to the back of it with a needle and thread. feels special for 10 grand sterling (bought it new) if id bought a megane it would have not have brought me any pleasure and most probably pain and would be worthless. i can still recover 60%+ of my money after 3 hard years use.

the 75bhp engine feels fine except under overtaking which i dont really do anyway, it can give 50mpg on a long cross country run, diesel economy and its fast enough imho.

drdre · 06-05-2006 9:35pm

Darwin wrote:

According to WhatCar magazine, there is a golf on the way this summer with a 1.4 petrol engine driven by both a supercharger and a turbocharger giving 168bhp and 38mpg! Looks like it'll cost over 30K if it goes on sale here...

yes there was a thread on this car already thats interesting so if you want just serach for it in the motor section.its called a vw golf gt

ds20prefecture · 06-05-2006 10:07pm

Everything still works in my 130000 mile, 34 y.o. French car. I've got French looks (always better than German), supersoft Dunlopillo seats (I kid you not) ride quality that makes you wonder if your flying or driving, bulletproof electrics (there's barely any), unbelievably powerful brakes, glorious 4 wheel drifts - no understeer, no oversteer, just perfectly controllable handling that doesn't land you in a ditch when you hit a stone mid-turn, super-short throw (about 10mm) semi-automatic gearchange. It cost me €8650 and I was offered €15000 for it recently. Now THEMS good residuals

I will admit my key is pretty ugly and my manual is soaked in LHM. I suppose the shape of the key and binding of the manual are a prime concern for todays enthusiast when buying a car. FFS.

The Golf is and always has been an appliance - a dull runabout for the masses (volks means people you know). Fools buy a badge and a bodyshell thinking it is the same experience as the once iconic GTi - a car that bears absolutely no driving characteristics with the 1.4 wouldn't-pull-a-soldier-of-yer-sister base models. Since the Mk II, Golfs have not been particularly well made, particularly safe, particularly well equipped or exceptional in any particular way.

Somebody said "things are getting boring in Wolfsburg". Please review the past 20 years and tell me when things were interesting.

BrianD3 · 06-05-2006 10:20pm

lomb wrote:

everything tends to work after 30000 miles(and 65 in my mothers), german looks, badge, firm yet comfortable seats, ride quality, noise control, damped grap handles, rubbers in all storage compartments, dash that isnt made out of yogurt pots, short snick gearbox, very high resale value, reliable electrics that are sealed at the connectors with water proof connections, galvanized body, abs breaks with ultra safe neutral handeling with zero overstear under provocation in sharp bends , safe in a crash ,ready availabilty of aftermarket parts for modding, seat fabrics, carpet fabrics, smart looking keys, even the professionally bound manual with the vw emblem stiched to the back of it with a needle and thread. feels special for 10 grand sterling (bought it new) if id bought a megane it would have not have brought me any pleasure and most probably pain and would be worthless. i can still recover 60%+ of my money after 3 hard years use.

Well fair enoiugh you obviously are happy with your car. But of the things you listed most have SFA to do with engineering or are spurious arguments (eg how is being "safe in a crash" an argument for "German engineering") Granted the VW is ahead of many other makes in terms of its damped grab handles and rubber lined gloveboxes....personally I'd live without these to have a 1.4 Megane with 33% more power than an equivalent engined Golf

drdre · 07-05-2006 12:27am

i donot think there will be a new shape yet.this is what i found
http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/spyphotoid/6060209.001/country/vw/volkswagen/golf-facelift-and-gti-diesel-spy-photos

maidhc · 07-05-2006 11:13am

drdre wrote:

i donot think there will be a new shape yet.this is what i found
http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/spyphotoid/6060209.001/country/vw/volkswagen/golf-facelift-and-gti-diesel-spy-photos

The GTD sounds like a fun car. More torque than those new Intercity trains they are bringing in I bet.

The only thing to be said against a DS is it will not suit a person who does high mileage; if nothing else it just isn't fair to a 34 year old car to suddenly start doing 20k plus a year. A golf is suited to the purpose, although a Focus or Corolla is probably better suited.

Big Balls · 07-05-2006 3:29pm

ds20prefecture wrote:

Everything still works in my 130000 mile, 34 y.o. French car. I've got French looks (always better than German), supersoft Dunlopillo seats (I kid you not) ride quality that makes you wonder if your flying or driving, bulletproof electrics (there's barely any), unbelievably powerful brakes, glorious 4 wheel drifts - no understeer, no oversteer, just perfectly controllable handling that doesn't land you in a ditch when you hit a stone mid-turn, super-short throw (about 10mm) semi-automatic gearchange. It cost me €8650 and I was offered €15000 for it recently. Now THEMS good residuals

I will admit my key is pretty ugly and my manual is soaked in LHM. I suppose the shape of the key and binding of the manual are a prime concern for todays enthusiast when buying a car. FFS.

The Golf is and always has been an appliance - a dull runabout for the masses (volks means people you know). Fools buy a badge and a bodyshell thinking it is the same experience as the once iconic GTi - a car that bears absolutely no driving characteristics with the 1.4 wouldn't-pull-a-soldier-of-yer-sister base models. Since the Mk II, Golfs have not been particularly well made, particularly safe, particularly well equipped or exceptional in any particular way.

Somebody said "things are getting boring in Wolfsburg". Please review the past 20 years and tell me when things were interesting.

You're comparing French cars to German ones. And it took you an essay to get to the point. That's pretty funny.

Renault or Volkswagen.. hmmm.. can I get back to you on that one??

ds20prefecture · 07-05-2006 4:29pm

Big Balls wrote:

You're comparing French cars to German ones. And it took you an essay to get to the point. That's pretty funny.

Glad you enjoyed it. Were some of the words too long for you?

I was not comparing French cars to German cars, I was responding to lombs "essay" on the engineering brilliance of the golf.

Big Balls · 07-05-2006 5:16pm

ds20prefecture wrote:

Were some of the words too long for you?

Without a doubt. I mean, come on, appliance and experience. And both words used in the same post!!! You are a fu*kin' genius.

I think you'll find you WERE comparing the cars. And only a fool would try to defend a French made car in the context you have.

TheBazman · 07-05-2006 5:17pm

Does anyone know how much the R32 is/will be in Ireland? I'm guessing 50 -55k ?

Big Balls · 07-05-2006 5:19pm

Something over 50k anyway yeh.

I don't think there'll be too much fuss made about it, special order job I reckon.

People in this country don't buy 3.2 litre Golfs.

lomb · 07-05-2006 7:39pm

BrianD3 wrote:

Well fair enoiugh you obviously are happy with your car. But of the things you listed most have SFA to do with engineering or are spurious arguments (eg how is being "safe in a crash" an argument for "German engineering") Granted the VW is ahead of many other makes in terms of its damped grab handles and rubber lined gloveboxes....personally I'd live without these to have a 1.4 Megane with 33% more power than an equivalent engined Golf

i have examined the old shell s class mercs and old eclasses. little details like the wash bottle being double walled WAY overengineered for the task at hand is what i loved. of course vw dont put that kind of engineering into a car( and neither do merc for that matter), how could they at 13000 euro +taxes, but they make an effort to give what people want more than any other maker, the overengineered manual and key are just one example. there are many more, the whole interior with the real chrome door handels cold to the touch could be straight out of a bentley.

u get more for your money with vw especially if u take into account resale.a megane wouldnt be worth alot after 3 years. spec is definately down on vag cars but the car makes up for it imho.

maidhc · 07-05-2006 8:03pm

lomb wrote:

i have examined the old shell s class mercs and old eclasses. little details like the wash bottle being double walled WAY overengineered for the task at hand is what i loved. of course vw dont put that kind of engineering into a car( and neither do merc for that matter), how could they at 13000 euro +taxes, but they make an effort to give what people want more than any other maker, the overengineered manual and key are just one example. there are many more, the whole interior with the real chrome door handels cold to the touch could be straight out of a bentley.

u get more for your money with vw especially if u take into account resale.a megane wouldnt be worth alot after 3 years. spec is definately down on vag cars but the car makes up for it imho.

That is all good so long as it isn't at the expense of other more vital components. I'd prefer an overengineered gearbox that could withstand 600nm than a double walled windscreen washer anyday. I though you said yourself the new golfs are not built all that well?

Btw the key on the new Passat is awful. It starts to look shabby after 5 months. The VW logo is almost worn off my grandfathers one already.

lomb · 07-05-2006 8:08pm

maidhc wrote:

That is all good so long as it isn't at the expense of other more vital components. I'd prefer an overengineered gearbox that could withstand 600nm than a double walled windscreen washer anyday. I though you said yourself the new golfs are not built all that well?

true, the new golfs arent as well built, but the engineering is as very good, as is the desirability factors that vw put in.

i think vw spent more than they thought they would on the complex doors, the complex fully independant rear suspension, and the electric power stearing and coupled with poor labour relations at the moment means the fit and screwing of components at the moment is dissapointing.

vag has become one of the worlds largest car manufacturers, increasing market share year on year for the last 7 years, they must be doing something right eh?

drdre · 07-05-2006 9:25pm

TheBazman wrote:

Does anyone know how much the R32 is/will be in Ireland? I'm guessing 50 -55k ?

in the uk its 5k sterling more than a gti.
i donot think there will be many around dublin.

bazz26 · 07-05-2006 10:56pm

drdre wrote:

in the uk its 5k sterling more than a gti.
i donot think there will be many around dublin.

I think they are bringing out an R36 early next year as a run out model of the MkV. Engine capacity will increase to obviously 3.6 litre.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/66731/vws_current_car_set_to_go_out_with_a_bang.html

New Mk6 Golf on the way

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