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cleaners looking for more than minimum wage

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  • #52
    howsyourtusk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭howsyourtusk


    starbelgrade wrote: »
    Cleaning staff are highly regarded by a lot of people - to suggest that they are seen as "sub-human" says more about yourself than anyone else.

    In many areas of life & business, cleaning is an essential element. You wouldn't expect a surgeon to perform heart surgery on you, then mop up the floor afterwards?

    This isn't a matter of snobbery or the fact that we have an unequal society - it's down to the fact that people have different talents and expertise. It'd be as much a waste of the surgeons time to clean a floor as it would for the cleaner to perform an operation.

    It's just common sense.

    Yes, I highlight the issue of how society views cleaners but I myself actually don't consider them human....oh wait, what??

    Cleaning is a menial task, don't fancy it up by choosing a specific area like a hospital theatre to make it seem like a technical expertise. And yes, I would like to see the surgeon chip in when it comes to cleaning. Why shouldn't he? Why shouldn't everyone who works in the hospital contribute to cleaning?


  • #53
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    smcgiff wrote: »
    Channel Zero wrote: »
    There are strong forces at work who consider workers rights to be a barrier to prosperity. (their own that is)
    They would like to scrap the minimum wage, demolish trade unions and force us back to the 19th century in terms of labour conditions.

    Sad but true..


    Trade unions have done a lot of good work especially historically, but have not always worked in the best interest of workers - this is because they are run by fallible humans.
    Oh definitely - and some can be rotten to the core - but to want an actual abolition of a body that takes care of employee rights to prevent them being screwed over... Greed really does bring out some sociopathic tendencies.

    Of course corrupt trade unions that bribe management are fine though. :pac:


  • #54
    The King of Moo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    Is anyone else thinking of becoming a cleaner now?


  • #55
    charlemont
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    The cost of living is still high and is only getting higher.


  • #56
    44leto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    Its actually the opposite of market forces. The JLC agreements which apply to cleaners, which set their rate.

    If it was purely market forces than wages would collapse to near welfare levels for unskilled work.# And if welfare was removed they would fall even further

    That is true but that is what the conditions of the market are, even with the kind of subsidies. Another are which sets a high market is rent allowance.


  • #57
    Owryan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,024 ✭✭✭Owryan


    Speaking as someone who has "cleaners" for family members , they would argue that they supply their own cleaning materials and can travel a fair bit to get to a job.

    My ex is a cleaner n charges €10 an hour . One of her jobs costs a tenner in petrol just to get there


  • #58
    howsyourtusk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭howsyourtusk


    Dudess wrote: »
    Oh definitely - and some can be rotten to the core - but to want an actual abolition of a body that takes care of employee rights to prevent them being screwed over... Greed really does bring out some sociopathic tendencies.

    Of course corrupt trade unions that bribe management are fine though. :pac:

    There are several major issues with trade unions really. Firstly, the wages of higher officers in these unions are ridiculous and akin to politician-esque wages. So it's difficult to care about your members who earn next to nothing when you're completely comfortable.

    Next up is partnership, 20 years of comfy relations with government during the boom times, them giving us tid bits to feed on while union heads were guaranteed cushy numbers in quangos and semi-state bodies once they moved on. It eroded the radicalism of unions and meant that apathy had entered the movement once it became necessary to fight again.

    Then finally there is the issue of most major trade unions in this country being tied into the Labour Party. All union big-wigs, bar a few exceptions, are labour party members. And hence completely and utterly conflicted, Labour in power cutting conditions, union leaders stay quiet.

    In short, workers need to win back their unions. Just going along to a branch meeting is a start. You'll probably discover it's just two monkeys and an elephant playing poker in a dark basement somewhere but sure bring a friend :pac:


  • #59
    saa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭saa


    howsyourtusk wrote: »
    Gladly? I dunno about that. Someone who has to clean **** up off the floor because of another inconsiderate person, vomit from drunks? You're telling me that those should be jobs in a modern society? Cleaning staff are viewed as sub-human by most people. Generally goes hand in hand with the fact they're either foreign or from working class areas. So easy to dismiss them as not even being a part of society.

    My point is, in a more equal society we'd all share in cleaning up after each other :)

    Yes gladly, I would clean up ****, piss, blood vomit, and yes those should be modern jobs in society because it's not possible for everyone to share in cleaning like any other role, not everyone makes a mess because they are inconsiderate, I have a degree I'm Irish and I don't see how that makes me too good for a part time cleaning or care job. I just feel that a cleaning job is not a punishment, I'd be happier cleaning or working in a rubbish tip than doing commission based sales. :pac:


  • #60
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    We pay our cleaner just over one euro an hour.. Don't know how I'll ever go back to not having one. I think they should be paid more than minimum wage. Definitely one of the tougher jobs.


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  • #61
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    howsyourtusk wrote: »
    I would like to see the surgeon chip in when it comes to cleaning. Why shouldn't he? Why shouldn't everyone who works in the hospital contribute to cleaning?

    Firstly, it would be a huge waste of resources having a highly trained surgeon mopping up rather than doing what he / she is trained to do.

    Secondly, it would be a hugely ineffective waste of taxpayer's money.

    And thirdly, if a surgeon was required for an operation & was busy cleaning the windows, do you not see how stupid that scenario would be?

    I'm all for an equal society, but your argument makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.


  • #62
    44leto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    Deleted User wrote: »
    We pay our cleaner just over one euro an hour.. Don't know how I'll ever go back to not having one. I think they should be paid more than minimum wage. Definitely one of the tougher jobs.

    1 euro an hour, please post their phone number.


  • #63
    Logical Fallacy
    Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    44leto wrote: »
    1 euro an hour, please post their phone number.

    Dude lives in Thailand or some ****.


  • #64
    Caveman1
    Registered Users Posts: 1,808 ✭✭✭Caveman1


    Well considering they have to pay for their own transport to and from your house they're not really charging that much, if it's something you can't afford then don't get it


  • #65
    M cebee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭M cebee


    bull**** question
    complain about the people on 'top dollar' not carrying their weight


  • #66
    Royal Legend
    Registered Users Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭Royal Legend


    Cleaners in Waterford Regional Hospital get more than the minimum wage, this is what was agreed between management and unions. There are three reasons they deserve it, first of all they do a good job, with poor resources, secondly, they get blamed in the media for dirty hospitals etc, when the problem is that they are given poor resources, (cleaning agents, mops, buffers etc) and they are blamed incorrectly for not cleaning human matter, when it is not their job. Lastly, they deserve more than the minimum wage just for the way people look down on them as if they are lesser people.


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  • #67
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,497 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Unless you're paying your cleaner for 40 hours a week and all the obligatory contributions on top of it, your point about minimum wage is moot.

    On the other hand, if you're referring to people in full-term employment with a cleaning agency, the job is not a highly-qualified job and staff are easy enough to replace/retrain and I'd be surprised if many were on higher than minimum wage for the first years at least.


  • #68
    pm.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭pm.


    if someone was ironing for me i would not expect to pay any less than €10 per hour, a 2000w iron would use a fair bit of electricity alone if they where using it in there own home


  • #69
    Robdude
    Closed Accounts Posts: 709 ✭✭✭Robdude


    Cleaners are free to look for more than minimum wage....
    You're free not to pay them more than minimum wage....

    I can't fault anyone for (ethically) trying to act in their own best interest.

    Keep in mind that most ads you see for cleaners are not full-time wages. There is down-time, travel, eqiupment, cleaning supplies, scheduling and all sorts of over-head associated with it. All things considered, they might still be at a minimum wage.


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