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M50 Red Cow Roundabout replacement

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  • 23-08-2008 7:15pm
    #1
    Reyman
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    Does anybody know a definite completion date for this endless project?


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    Random
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    Like all Irish projects nothing is "definite" and "it'll be done when it's done".


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    chewed
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    random wrote: »
    Like all Irish projects nothing is "definite" and "it'll be done when it's done".

    ...and well over budget!


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    duffmagic
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    Could someone please post here whenever there's a change to the northbound off-ramp?

    I've been avoiding it since it turned into the insanely long-winded, temporary loop.


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    Reyman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Reyman


    Random wrote: »
    Like all Irish projects nothing is "definite" and "it'll be done when it's done".

    I'm not so sure this is true. I've been involved in quite an amount of project management both here and overseas. In all projects there is always a clearly defined completion date with what are called 'gates' for individual sub-projects and regular reviews to ensure things are on target. This is accepted practice.

    I think it unlikely that this project is any different and the public should not have to put up with some kind of 'infinite' timeframe around the building of this piece of infrastructure.


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    BluntGuy
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    Apparently it'll be done by the end of this year. I'm not sure though, it's looking pretty incomplete at the moment.


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    duffmagic
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    It looks like some big changes have taken affect.
    http://www.m50.ie
    2008-10-25-map-large.gif


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    andrewh5
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    In any other country in the EU this would all have been done on a 24/7 basis. Not here in Ireland though - it gets done on the cheap here and to hell with the inconvenience it causes people! The people who designed the M50 in the first place should be taken out & shot at dawn IMHO.


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    Mitch Connor
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    That image is out of date. the red line taking the loop off the M50 nothbound to N7 West was removed this weekend. It is now freeflow going northbound to N7 west and City centre, taking the old, original M50off-ramp.


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    Mitch Connor
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    andrewh5 wrote: »
    In any other country in the EU this would all have been done on a 24/7 basis. Not here in Ireland though - it gets done on the cheap here and to hell with the inconvenience it causes people! The people who designed the M50 in the first place should be taken out & shot at dawn IMHO.

    Not fair according to a post on the main Red Cow thread.

    The original M50 plans DID have free flow junctions. the people who designed it were asked to remove them to save money. Not the designers fault.


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    whosedaddy?
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    duffmagic wrote: »
    It looks like some big changes have taken affect.
    http://www.m50.ie

    yeah that was the change announced for 25th of October 2008.... construction waaaayyyy past this :rolleyes:


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    wellboss
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    I hope they learn from these mistakes and never make such stupid mistakes again!! Seriously what were they thinking putting traffic lights on a major junction of a motorway in a city of over 1million people in the first place, where was the future planning????


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    chewed
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    wellboss wrote: »
    I hope they learn from these mistakes and never make such stupid mistakes again!! Seriously what were they thinking putting traffic lights on a major junction of a motorway in a city of over 1million people in the first place, where was the future planning????

    We have Fianna Fail to thank for this! They had the option of putting in proper interchanges at the time, for a fraction of the cost of what it is costing today.


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    D'Peoples Voice
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    chewed wrote: »
    We have Fianna Fail to thank for this! They had the option of putting in proper interchanges at the time, for a fraction of the cost of what it is costing today.

    To be fair, this road was being built at the time(1987) of some of the most savage Social Welfare, Health and Education cuts this country experienced since WWII.
    Just think its right that we put it in prospective when we say they should have thrown around another IRP100m or IRP200m here or there! I'm not saying they shouldn't have, but there are many a socialist who wold have prioritized the sick and needy first rather than infrastructure! It all depends on where you lie on the political scale - left wing or right wing!
    Certainly we are facing something similar today, medical cards for the elderly or improve the N20?


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    dubhthach
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    The projected savings at the time when the freeflow junctions were removed from the plans in the late 1980's were on the order of £20million IRL, or so I recall hearing, don't ask me for a source though. Just remember ye have to adjust that sum for inflation.


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    chewed
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    dubhthach wrote: »
    The projected savings at the time when the freeflow junctions were removed from the plans in the late 1980's were on the order of £20million IRL, or so I recall hearing, don't ask me for a source though. Just remember ye have to adjust that sum for inflation.

    Yes, that's about right! I remember £19m being mentioned in a newspaper article on this subject 5 years back, when the new upgrades were planned. Even when they started building the M50 road I remember discussing the fact that they were only having 4 lanes! Some would say this is all bad planning.....others, like myself, tend to think this was all deliberate so that the builders/planners (and other FF cronies) could benefit from more building projects at a future date.


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