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First Dual Carriageways in Ireland

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    #62
    Victor
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    Blackrock Bypass was well underway in 1986, so probably opened in 1987-88.

    Finglas Bypass (the second) and North Road were done around the same time as the Northern Cross Route.


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    #63
    RadioCity
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    Re the N13.
    Would I be right in saying the Single Carriageway section was one of the first of its kind, ie wide 2 lane plus hard shoulders? The section from Derry to Manorcunningham is very wide and has quite a variety of driving styles for the want of a better phrase. It is wide enough to be a dual carriageway (was that ever the intention?) and indeed it is possible to overtake without going into the opposite carriageway.

    The section from Newtowncunningham to Manorcunningham is quite honestly in bits now and is in serious need of resurfacing. Mind you, they seem to be working from Bridgend towards Newtowncunningham at the minute.

    Now anyone got a date for when the N56 from Stranorlar to the Dry Arch became the N13? (Must be one of the few bits of National Road that has to give way to a regional road) Sorry for going off topic.


    The Dual section, recently resurfaced I recall gave much relief to many motorists when it opened, and the spud sellers at Manor roundabout. Note the total disregard for the speed limits (100km/h) on the stratch of road.


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    #64
    Bogger77
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    RadioCity wrote:
    Now anyone got a date for when the N56 from Stranorlar to the Dry Arch became the N13? (Must be one of the few bits of National Road that has to give way to a regional road) Sorry for going off topic.

    It's not that uncommon for N class to yield to a R road. The N80 from Moate to Portlaoise has two occurances, once in Clara, and again in Mountmellick. N5 in Ballaghdreenen. N20 at the N21/20 junction at Patrickswell.


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    #65
    mackerski
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    Bogger77 wrote:
    It's not that uncommon for N class to yield to a R road. The N80 from Moate to Portlaoise has two occurances, once in Clara, and again in Mountmellick. N5 in Ballaghdreenen. N20 at the N21/20 junction at Patrickswell.

    There used to be a case of this on the N3 also, just north of Cavan. As you approached the environs of Cavan from the north you had to yield to the N54, a secondary route, though probably with greater traffic count (it had been like that dating back to the time the N3 hit a dead end at Aghalane).

    The Cavan Bypass has realigned the problem away and the N3 is now the priority route.


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    #66
    murphaph
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    N11 yields to R-something-or-other in Ferns.


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    #67
    AugustusMinimus
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    A quick question and this seems like a good place to ask it.

    There's a dual carriageway between Newbridge and Naas and of course, the Naas dual carriageway between Dublin and Naas. Both of these roads are quite old (60s and 70s).

    However, the Naas bypass was only built in 1983. Before the M7 opened, were both dual carriageways not linked to each other and you would still have had to gone through Naas ? If this is the case, why on earth did they bother building the Newbridge - Naas DC without bypassing Naas ?


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    Victor
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    AugustusMinimus wrote: »
    However, the Naas bypass was only built in 1983. Before the M7 opened, were both dual carriageways not linked to each other and you would still have had to gone through Naas ? If this is the case, why on earth did they bother building the Newbridge - Naas DC without bypassing Naas ?
    I imagine a few reasons, primarily short-sightedness:
    * The town wasn't as big as it is now.
    * There was a preference for on-line improvements over bypasses.
    * The "loss of trade to the town" spiel - the town boomed when it was bypassed, as people could get in to it to actually shop.


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    #69
    Chris_5339762
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    Its also cheap to do an online upgrade between towns as you don't have to demolish too much. The town is too expensive to demolish half of.


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    foggy_lad
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    AugustusMinimus wrote: »
    A quick question and this seems like a good place to ask it.

    There's a dual carriageway between Newbridge and Naas and of course, the Naas dual carriageway between Dublin and Naas. Both of these roads are quite old (60s and 70s).

    However, the Naas bypass was only built in 1983. Before the M7 opened, were both dual carriageways not linked to each other and you would still have had to gone through Naas ? If this is the case, why on earth did they bother building the Newbridge - Naas DC without bypassing Naas ?

    The road between Naas and Newbridge was just single lane national primary route when the Naas road was upgraded to dual carriageway, some time later parts of the Newbridge road were upgraded because of the volumes of traffic going to Newbridge which was a growing town at the time and also to Kildare.

    The route was always into Naas from the carriageway and through the town to the top of the town and turn right at the lights which were a right bottleneck going to or coming from Newbridge because of the hill. There was also a few good "rat runs" through the back streets of Naas to bring you out on the Newbridge road but back then they could also be blocked with their contra-flow traffic or people risked ending up in the branch of the royal grand canal in Naas.


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    #71
    BuffyBot
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    Zombie thread. AugustusMinimus, there is a dedicated Infrastructure forum now for these questions


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    #72
    Victor
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    Moved from Commuting & Transport.

    Moderator


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    #73
    Victor
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    Chris_5339762 wrote: »
    Its also cheap to do an online upgrade between towns as you don't have to demolish too much. The town is too expensive to demolish half of.

    The problems there are ribbon housing, junctions and disruption to existing traffic.


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    #74
    Schadenfreudia
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    The Wiki article on the N11 is pretty detailed, certainly from 1970:
    1970: Kilcroney dual carriageway (with at grade junctions) from Fasseroe to Kilmacanogue, west of Bray. 3 km.
    1972: Kilpedder bypass; dual carriageway (with at grade junctions) but including one road underpass, the first "flyover" in Ireland. 2 km.
    1974: Belfield flyover; a stretch of six-lane dual carriageway with a GSJ at the entrance to UCD, Belfield. 2 km
    1976: Extensions of the Belfield section in both directions with six-lane dc, at grade, with multiple residential access points. 2 km.
    1977: Stillorgan bypass. At grade 4 lane dc with hard shoulder from Foster Ave. to White's Cross, replacing earlier 1950s dc at Galloping Green. 3 km.
    1984: Cabinteely and Cornelscourt bypass. At grade 4 lane dc with hard shoulder. 2 km.
    1986: Old 1950s dc replaced by at grade 4 lane dc with hard shoulder between White's cross and the Cabinteely bypass. 1 km.
    1990: Newtownmountkennedy bypass. Four lane dc with hard shoulders and GSJ. 5 km.
    1991: M11 Bray-Shankill bypass. Motorway from the 1960s Loughlinstown dc to the Kilcroney (1970) dc. 5 km.
    1993: Fasseroe Bridge; grade separated junction created at the end of the M11/start of Kilcroney dc.
    1995: Ram Bridge; grade separated junction created linking the N11 to the southern end of Bray.
    1999: Arklow bypass; fully grade separated dc (re-classified as motorway in 2009). 10 km.
    2003: Glen of the Downs dc joining the dc north of Kilmacanoge to the 1972 Kilpedder bypass. 5 km.
    2004: New dc replaced the 1960s Loughlinstown dual carriageway and included a GSJ with the R118. 3 km.
    2004: Ashford/Rathnew bypass; fully grade separated dc (partially re-classified as motorway in 2009). 14 km.
    2007: Gorey bypass; fully grade separated dc (re-classified as motorway in 2009). 22 km.
    2008: Grade separated junction created on the Kilpedder bypass (1972) to link with the new R774 dc to Greystones.


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    #75
    Sheldons Brain
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    Over in the rail forum there is a link to the O'Dea archive in the National Library, which has a lot of railway pics around the time steam was ended and the network was closing down.

    There is one nice shot of the Naas Dualler being built http://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000307327


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    #76
    L1011
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    Interesting how the road markings seem to be in ribbons even though the road isn't open, that Yield in particular. Also that road project signs are a near 50 year old concept at least.


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    #77
    GrumpyMe
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    popebenny16 wrote: »
    ...The Longmile Road was a DC in the 40's ( there was a postcard in the Indo recently showing Travelers on it as it was being built)....

    Don't think so - this is from the 60's I'd guess

    9h5d02.jpg


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    Sam Russell
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    That car is a Ford Consul Classic which dates from the sixties. 1961-1963.


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