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Sinn Fein- Never forget

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    #572
    Monty Burnz
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    EURATS wrote: »
    That's more like it monty. More balance. Also the British and Irish intelligence services(as they like to be called)were up to their neck in it. A filthy setup.
    I hope I've been clear - the only reason SF are getting it in the neck for their past is because they are looking for my vote. Any other group from any other background will get the same treatment.


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    #573
    laoch na mona
    Registered Users Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    I think it may be because he is in custody. But upon his eventual release, how long does he have to go without killing someone before he becomes a viable candidate?

    (much better argument by the way, at least someone is thinking about this stuff)

    who has Pearse Dotherthy killed?


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    #574
    Monty Burnz
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    laoch na mona wrote: »
    who has Pearse Dotherthy killed?
    I don't know - nobody, I hope. But the organisation he has aligned himself with is/was the political wing of a group that did kill people.

    If I join Fianna Fail tomorrow, would you not criticise me for joining a corrupt organisation (or an organisation with a history of corruption), even though I may not be corrupt myself?


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    #575
    laoch na mona
    Registered Users Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    I hope I've been clear - the only reason SF are getting it in the neck for their past is because they are looking for my vote. Any other group from any other background will get the same treatment.

    they were at war then and i won't defend the bombings but the British started the troubles when they put down the civil rights movement


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    #576
    laoch na mona
    Registered Users Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    I don't know - nobody, I hope. But the organisation he has aligned himself with is/was the political wing of a group that did kill people.

    If I join Fianna Fail tomorrow, would you not criticise me for joining a corrupt organisation (or an organisation with a history of corruption), even though I may not be corrupt myself?

    fixed
    you could say the same about FF
    and no I would judge you as a person


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    #577
    Monty Burnz
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    laoch na mona wrote: »
    fixed
    you could say the same about FF
    Ok - it's nice to actually talk about the issues. :)

    So wouldn't fault anyone in Fianna Fail for joining a party with a history of corruption?


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    #578
    laoch na mona
    Registered Users Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Ok - it's nice to actually talk about the issues. :)

    So wouldn't fault anyone in Fianna Fail for joining a party with a history of corruption?

    unless there corrupt no
    parties are like families they all have baggage


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    #579
    EURATS
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    EURATS wrote: »
    That's more like it monty. More balance. Also the British and Irish intelligence services(as they like to be called)were up to their neck in it. A filthy setup.
    I hope I've been clear - the only reason SF are getting it in the neck for their past is because they are looking for my vote. Any other group from any other background will get the same treatment.


    How were they looking for your vote? It wasn't a general election.


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    #580
    Yzf R6
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    I don't know - nobody, I hope. But the organisation he has aligned himself with is/was the political wing of a group that did kill people.

    If I join Fianna Fail tomorrow, would you not criticise me for joining a corrupt organisation (or an organisation with a history of corruption), even though I may not be corrupt myself?

    Monty,perhaps if you look back in history you may also be more aligned to Republicans than you care to admit,but your not cast as a killer due to things that happend in the past and that we're out of your control.


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    #581
    EURATS
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    The British, Americans, French etc have more blood on their hands than anybody else. They are killing people as we speak. Do we ignore them for it? No. Our politicians suck up to them looking for their money


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    #582
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    EURATS wrote: »
    How were they looking for your vote? It wasn't a general election.
    They want my vote at general elections, local elections, and they want to persuade me to support their position in referenda.


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    #583
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Yzf R6 wrote: »
    Monty,perhaps if you look back in history you may also be more aligned to Republicans than you care to admit,but your not cast as a killer due to things that happend in the past and that we're out of your control.
    I'm happy to admit that I'd like to see a United Ireland. I'm also happy to admit that there was no justification for most of the actions the IRA took, and I find it difficult to support/agree with people who do try to justify most/all of their actions. I think nothing entrenched unionists in their anti-UI position more than the Republican terrorist campaigns.


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    #584
    laoch na mona
    Registered Users Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    I'm happy to admit that I'd like to see a United Ireland. I'm also happy to admit that there was no justification for most of the actions the IRA took, and I find it difficult to support/agree with people who do try to justify most/all of their actions. I think nothing entrenched unionists in their anti-UI position more than the Republican terrorist campaigns.

    you can understand why the IRA were needed?


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    #585
    Yzf R6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 118 ✭✭Yzf R6


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    I'm happy to admit that I'd like to see a United Ireland. I'm also happy to admit that there was no justification for most of the actions the IRA took, and I find it difficult to support/agree with people who do try to justify most/all of their actions. I think nothing entrenched unionists in their anti-UI position more than the Republican terrorist campaigns.

    Agree to disagree Monty,but I have to say that not all of their actions were unjust,you don't really think we should just bow down and keep quite just because the big boys told us to,do you?


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    #586
    Monty Burnz
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    laoch na mona wrote: »
    you can understand why the IRA were needed?
    Only at the very early stage of the Troubles when loyalist mobs were attacking nationalist areas.


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    #587
    EURATS
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    EURATS wrote: »
    How were they looking for your vote? It wasn't a general election.
    They want my vote at general elections, local elections, and they want to persuade me to support their position in referenda.

    I voted NO as an individual, not because of any influence from a political party. Am sick of political parties at this stage. They are all full of shît. Simple as.

    In 2012 they still get away with broken promises and bullsh1t. No wonder we were ripped off so badly. We allow this behaviour to continue, so we deserve the consequences if the truth be told.
    If we can't stand up together and change the system, then history will continue to repeat itself inside this goldfish bowl


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    #588
    K-9
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    Oh good God of almighty. My 13 year old is more capable of a better standard of debate.

    Reading back over this mess I could yellow and red card many posts. It's just too much of a mess but put it this way, I expected a serious upping of standards from when I posted my mod warning. Posts in this thread will be taken down in evidence!

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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