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How Soon Will ILDA Kill Off the New Railfreight?

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  • 21-08-2009 9:03pm
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    Nostradamus
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    My bets soon after christmas.


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    kildarecommuter
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    I think ILDA has been killed off already


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    Nostradamus
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    kildarecommuter wrote: »
    I think ILDA has been killed off already

    Great news so. Maybe this will be around for years.

    Never forget is was the rail unions who began the obliteration of railfreight with ILDA in 2000. It has taken almost a decade to win the confidence of the private sector back.


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    Judgement Day
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    While ILDA may have helped kill-off rail freight, it had been on the way out for years with, possibly, the ill thought-out changeover from wagon load trains to the new containerised sundries system being the turning point. Much as I welcome the new Ballina/Dublin service I think it is being wildy optimistic to herald it as a new Dawn for rail freight.


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    kildarecommuter
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    ILDA was never a Trade Union it never had a negotiaing licence was not a member of ICTU and was neither recognised by the other Unions or IE.
    While freight services may have been disrupted due to Industrial action bythe recognised unions in IE I would very much doubt if it is union policy to hinder railfreight


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    KC61
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    Can we not try to be positive about this - railfreight is a positive news story again and we should start looking forward rather than harping back to something that should stay in the past.


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    Nostradamus
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    KC61 wrote: »
    Can we not try to be positive about this - railfreight is a positive news story again and we should start looking forward rather than harping back to something that should stay in the past.

    Somehow the concept of CIE rail unions and positive news just do not go together.


    It's decades of conditioning.


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    T Corolla
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    KC61 wrote: »
    Can we not try to be positive about this - railfreight is a positive news story again and we should start looking forward rather than harping back to something that should stay in the past.

    Well said KC61 any step forward for rail frieght is good not only for IR but for the economy as a whole and is pounds and pence in the state purse for projects that have been heavily subscribed to


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    KC61
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    Nostradamus wrote: »
    Somehow the concept of CIE rail unions and positive news just do not go together.


    It's decades of conditioning.

    I understand your perspective but genuinely continually stirring something up from the past is not healthy either. So far this year we have (without any IR issues) Midleton operating, and now a new container flow as well, along with a brand new fleet of trains across the network.

    That's quite a change and I think we do need to start being a tad more positive than continually knocking everything and everyone!!!


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    Nostradamus
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    KC61 wrote: »
    I understand your perspective but genuinely continually stirring something up from the past is not healthy either. So far this year we have (without any IR issues) Midleton operating, and now a new container flow as well, along with a brand new fleet of trains across the network.

    That's quite a change and I think we do need to start being a tad more positive than continually knocking everything and everyone!!!

    I am very happy to see the largest port in Europe without a rail freight finally get one back (AFTER IT's PERIOD of GREATEST EVER GROWTH). Can you blame some of us for being cynical!


    I am very poisitve what we will see a huge growth in railfreight now that the polticians and senior civil servants cannot be bothered shutting down dockside rail freight facilities anymore in order to develop luxury apartments which nobody wants.

    This is the real story behind what went on why a suddenly very busy railfreight sector collasped/"disrupted" from within over night and was held back during the greatest time of economic growth in the nations history.

    One day it'll come out. Mark my words. There will be on TV coming in and out of Dublin castle one day with smirks on their faces knowing they got away with it. AGAIN... And they will still be claiming to be Socialists as they are getting into their Mercs.

    The people at Dublin Port are the ones who deserve the most credit in all this. They stopped the ripping up of tracks (the track rippers were getting orders from a higher source naturally) and we all know were the Euro stops in this country.


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    KC61
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    Indeed there are some very good points there. And I recognise the veracity of your argument, but as I say let's try to look at the positives here which are a step forward and hopefully some more will follow.


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    Nostradamus
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    KC61 wrote: »
    Indeed there are some very good points there. And I recognise the veracity of your argument, but as I say let's try to look at the positives here which are a step forward and hopefully some more will follow.

    I agree. But we must never take our eye off the ball ever again.

    Railfreight didn't just vanish due to natural selection. There was Intelligent Design at work.


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    Carawaystick
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    Nostradamus wrote: »

    I am very poisitve what we will see a huge growth in railfreight now that the polticians and senior civil servants cannot be bothered shutting down dockside rail freight facilities anymore in order to develop luxury apartments which nobody wants.

    This is the real story behind what went on why a suddenly very busy railfreight sector collasped/"disrupted" from within over night and was held back during the greatest time of economic growth in the nations history.

    A very busy railfreight sector collapsed yesterday, All the railfreight in the rest of the country couldn't hold a candle to the ore trains not running from Tara any more.


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    Nostradamus
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    Carawaystick wrote: »
    A very busy railfreight sector collapsed yesterday, All the railfreight in the rest of the country couldn't hold a candle to the ore trains not running from Tara any more.

    Hey, never thought about that. Yikes.


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    DWCommuter
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    KC61 wrote: »
    Can we not try to be positive about this - railfreight is a positive news story again and we should start looking forward rather than harping back to something that should stay in the past.

    Malahide Viaduct. Reality check.


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    Victor
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    Can the Lead ore go via Drogheda, Belfast, Larne, etc.?


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    Carawaystick
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    Victor wrote: »
    Can the Lead ore go via Drogheda, Belfast, Larne, etc.?

    are there load restrictions on the Boyne viaduct in Drogheda?


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    Judgement Day
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    I'm not sure about restrictions on the Boyne Viaduct but regardless as far as I know Drogheda, Larne and Belfast to do not have rail connected port facilities - no sidings on quaysides etc. but I am open to correction.


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