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Sinn Fein already campaigning

  • 08-08-2014 3:05pm
    #1
    ChicagoJoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 372 ✭✭


    A few weeks after the local elections I thought we wouldn’t see any political parties until a few weeks out from the next election. Yesterday evening I had a SFer calling to my door with a petition to save the local post offices from closure and enquiring was there any general issues in the area etc. And a few weeks before we had a thank you leaflet from the SF councillor for those who voted for her and notification of an upcoming public meeting.

    So it got me thinking, are SF over doing it and bugging people or is their work rate impressive so soon after the last elections? Your thoughts people :)
    Black Swan wrote: »
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  • #2
    Buona Fortuna
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭Buona Fortuna


    ChicagoJoe wrote: »
    A few weeks after the local elections I thought we wouldn’t see any political parties until a few weeks out from the next election. Yesterday evening I had a SFer calling to my door with a petition to save the local post offices from closure and enquiring was there any general issues in the area etc. And a few weeks before we had a thank you leaflet from the SF councillor for those who voted for her and notification of an upcoming public meeting.

    So it got me thinking, are SF over doing it and bugging people or is their work rate impressive so soon after the last elections? Your thoughts people :)

    I think they're damned if the do and damned if they don't.

    Its a regular moan around these parts that politicians only crawl out from under their rocks once every 5 years. At least this guy is trying.


  • #3
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,409 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Are you in Chicago Joe ?.if so thats pretty impressive of the SF lad.


  • #4
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,409 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Makes a change from them robbing post offices too.


  • #5
    Adamantium
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭Adamantium


    When do they hand the list of banned books at these public meetings?


  • #6
    Hotfail.com
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭Hotfail.com


    Surely this is the sort of thing that should be happening on a semi-regular basis? Usually you only see politicians around the place every five years...


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  • #7
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    They were checking out your gaff, trying to see if you were home and if you had anything worth nicking. You didn’t.


  • #8
    The One Doctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭The One Doctor


    OP, next time they call ask them which brand of rocket propelled grenade they prefer.


  • #9
    Davarus Walrus
    Registered Users Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭Davarus Walrus


    Sinn Fein are great for getting out and knocking on doors to get their message out to the electorate. It's admirable. What isn't admirable is the bullsh1t they are spouting about water charges, property taxes and cuts to services. Unless Adam's magic beans start producing money trees very soon then their populist rhetoric is utterly unworkable.

    The Young Turks of SF know this. Just trying to pull a fast one on the electorate. Power is so very nearly theirs.


  • #10
    comongethappy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭comongethappy


    The One Doctor wrote: »
    OP, next time they call ask them which brand of rocket propelled grenade they prefer.

    I only get mine that come with safety labelling:
    "Aim away from face"


  • #11
    ChicagoJoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 372 ✭✭ChicagoJoe


    Just wondering, has anyone any Independents or People Before Profit/Socialist Workers Party or the Anti Austerity Alliance/Socialist Party calling to them yet ?


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  • #12
    comongethappy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭comongethappy


    ChicagoJoe wrote: »
    People Before Profit/Socialist Workers Party or the Anti Austerity Alliance/Socialist Party calling to them yet ?

    That's all the 1 party isn't it?


  • #13
    ChicagoJoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 372 ✭✭ChicagoJoe


    Davarus Walrus wrote: »
    Sinn Fein are great for getting out and knocking on doors to get their message out to the electorate. It's admirable. What isn't admirable is the bullsh1t they are spouting about water charges, property taxes and cuts to services. Unless Adam's magic beans start producing money trees very soon then their populist rhetoric is utterly unworkable.

    The Young Turks of SF know this. Just trying to pull a fast one on the electorate. Power is so very nearly theirs.
    Well there's certainly plenty of money trees from the govt for Denis O'Brien, Irish Water, NAMA directors etc

    "Independent News and Media, of which Denis O’Brien is the biggest shareholder, is to get a debt write-off worth €140 million from Bank of Ireland and AIB."
    http://www.broadsheet.ie/2013/04/26/a-e140-million-write-off-from-bank-of-ireland-and-aib/


  • #14
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    ChicagoJoe wrote: »
    A few weeks after the local elections I thought we wouldn’t see any political parties until a few weeks out from the next election. Yesterday evening I had a SFer calling to my door with a petition to save the local post offices from closure and enquiring was there any general issues in the area etc. And a few weeks before we had a thank you leaflet from the SF councillor for those who voted for her and notification of an upcoming public meeting.

    So it got me thinking, are SF over doing it and bugging people or is their work rate impressive so soon after the last elections? Your thoughts people :)

    'SF are a party of dole heads'

    'SF work too hard'

    No pleasing yez at all.


  • #15
    wretcheddomain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,094 ✭✭✭wretcheddomain


    They're going to bomb the next election.


  • #16
    Henry94
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 93 ✭✭Henry94


    Sinn Fein are putting down roots in communities all over the country just like they did in the north and when they get established they are hard to shift. Not for any sinister reasons but because they work hard and are a real party unlike FF which is now really just a flag of convenience for candidates doing their own thing.

    The question is will Sinn Fein change politics or will politics change Sinn Fein.


  • #17
    Black Swan
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,335 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    MOD: Moved to Elections & Referendums. Please see charter.


  • #18
    Shakespeare's Sister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Shakespeare's Sister


    corner of hells wrote: »
    Makes a change from them robbing post offices too.
    Yeh, they're constantly constantly robbing post offices.


  • #19
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    priority number 1 for our current gubbernment is to keep sinn fein out of government after next general elections (in may/june 2016 rofl), nothing else trumps this so why shouldn't sinn fein get stuck into campaigning right now


  • #20
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,714 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Damn them sinn fein people trying to represent the public like they said they would.


  • #21
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,987 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Sinn Féin employs far more officials and staff
    Smallest Oireachtas party has 25 more employees
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sinn-f%C3%A9in-employs-far-more-officials-and-staff-1.1892988 helps local


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  • #22
    DarkyHughes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭DarkyHughes


    Hopefully they'll form the next government this monopoly of Fianna Gael/Labor & Fiana fail is driving me mad.


  • #23
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    DarkyHughes wrote: »
    Hopefully they'll form the next government this monopoly of Fianna Gael/Labor & Fiana fail is driving me mad.

    Won't it be just great when SF get into government.

    - No more property taxes or water charges.
    - Income tax only for the rich.
    - Limitless dole and benefits for the 'ordinary dacent workers'.
    - Free everything for everyone.
    - Simplified justice system: (bullet in head for serious offenders, kneecapping and beatings for lesser offences).

    What's not to like.:eek:


  • #24
    DazMarz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,493 ✭✭✭DazMarz


    Won't happen. Sinn Féin will run on a platform of the above, but if they get into government (won't happen; but if they do, it will be as a junior partner), they will swiftly find out there is no money for all of the above and that Ollie Rehn, Angela Merkel and the IMF will be swift to put a stop to any bullshít. They will quickly become a Labour Mk II, get blamed by their supporters for "breaking promises" and get savaged at the elections... all the while Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil sit back like Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader, plotting the evil machinations and laughing in the knowledge that it will not be long before they are back in power as the fickle voters continue to savage the ones that make the most promises and fail to deliver upon them...

    Such is Irish politics.


  • #25
    Crooked Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    I wonder will there every be a Sinn Fein discussion on Boards that doesn't centre around the same old IRA rhetoric and "jokes." It's unimaginative, boring and dull. Especially considering a huge number of Sinn Fein councillors, possibly the majority of them, were in nappies when the IRA was about.


  • #26
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Crooked Jack wrote: »
    I wonder will there every be a Sinn Fein discussion on Boards that doesn't centre around the same old IRA rhetoric and "jokes." It's unimaginative, boring and dull. Especially considering a huge number of Sinn Fein councillors, possibly the majority of them, were in nappies when the IRA was about.

    Whether they were in nappies to not they still try to justify what the IRA did.....bombs in pubs and restaurants, 'executions' of so-called informers, robbing banks and post offices etc etc.


  • #27
    Crooked Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Whether they were in nappies to not they still try to justify what the IRA did.....bombs in pubs and restaurants, 'executions' of so-called informers, robbing banks and post offices etc etc.

    I'll take that as a no then. Alright, back to your hilarious post office jokes, I'll tryand find proper political discussion elsewhere.


  • #28
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Crooked Jack wrote: »
    I'll take that as a no then. Alright, back to your hilarious post office jokes, I'll tryand find proper political discussion elsewhere.

    OK, so apart from the robberies, you're ok with the bombings and shootings.......right so!


  • #29
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,714 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    i'd say it's your completely inaccurate idea of what sinn fein is about thats the issue. Plus i dont remember sf ever robbing banks or blowing up pubs. get it right.
    Roger_007 wrote: »
    OK, so apart from the robberies, you're ok with the bombings and shootings.......right so!


  • #30
    nuac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,769 ✭✭✭nuac


    ChicagoJoe wrote: »
    A few weeks after the local elections I thought we wouldn’t see any political parties until a few weeks out from the next election. Yesterday evening I had a SFer calling to my door with a petition to save the local post offices from closure and enquiring was there any general issues in the area etc. And a few weeks before we had a thank you leaflet from the SF councillor for those who voted for her and notification of an upcoming public meeting.

    So it got me thinking, are SF over doing it and bugging people or is their work rate impressive so soon after the last elections? Your thoughts people :)

    A change from supporting those who rob or attempt to rob post offices


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  • #31
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,714 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    How about focussing on the modern day, not a few decades go?
    nuac wrote: »
    A change from supporting those who rob or attempt to rob post offices


  • #32
    Crooked Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    maccored wrote: »
    How about focussing on the modern day, not a few decades go?

    No no, sure republicans are the ones stuck in the past.


  • #33
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,714 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    oh yeah, sorry I forgot ;-)
    Crooked Jack wrote: »
    No no, sure republicans are the ones stuck in the past.


  • #34
    ChicagoJoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 372 ✭✭ChicagoJoe


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Won't it be just great when SF get into government.

    - No more property taxes or water charges.
    - Income tax only for the rich.
    - Limitless dole and benefits for the 'ordinary dacent workers'.
    - Free everything for everyone.
    - Simplified justice system: (bullet in head for serious offenders, kneecapping and beatings for lesser offences).

    What's not to like.:eek:
    Ah yes, a student of the Sunday Independent school of economics, " Sinn Fein eat babies" and so on !!!! In fairness to SF they present their budget submissions to the Dept of Finance for verification and checking, you really shouldn't swallow anything that the likes of Eoghan Harris, Willie O'Dea say in the S/Indo :)


  • #35
    ChicagoJoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 372 ✭✭ChicagoJoe


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Whether they were in nappies to not they still try to justify what the IRA did.....bombs in pubs and restaurants, 'executions' of so-called informers, robbing banks and post offices etc etc.
    Roger_007 wrote: »
    OK, so apart from the robberies, you're ok with the bombings and shootings.......right so!
    Whataboutery :) If whataboutery about events decades ago is the best that Fianna Gaelers and Fine Failers can offer to try and oppose them, then SF are clearly heading for even more gains in the future.


  • #36
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    ChicagoJoe wrote: »
    Ah yes, a student of the Sunday Independent school of economics, " Sinn Fein eat babies" and so on !!!! In fairness to SF they present their budget submissions to the Dept of Finance for verification and checking, you really shouldn't swallow anything that the likes of Eoghan Harris, Willie O'Dea say in the S/Indo :)


    yeah, they do, but because they add up, doesn't mean they make sense.


    Consider a wealth tax of 2% that earns €4bn on taxable wealth of €200bn. Great, brilliant marvellous and the hole in the budget deficit is gone.

    Onto year 2 of the tax, the yield should go down as there is only €196bn wealth left but the assumption is that growth of 2% in the economy will bring the revenue back up to €4bn and the dream will continue that the magic tax has filled the hole in the budget deficit.

    Except what really happens is that the wealth-owners hear this tax is on the way and when SF come to collect their 2%, they are collecting it on a much smaller sum. Then they find that there are no entrepreneurs creating jobs so unemployment rises. etc. all down into another budgetary crisis.


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  • #37
    ChicagoJoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 372 ✭✭ChicagoJoe


    Godge wrote: »
    yeah, they do, but because they add up, doesn't mean they make sense.
    Thank you, you have just nullified your own post !!! And please don't come back telling me that the whole Dept of Finance don't know as much about checking and verifying a budget as much as you and Willie O'Dea, Brendan O'Connor and the rest of the scribblers in the S/Indo !!!
    Consider a wealth tax of 2% that earns €4bn on taxable wealth of €200bn. Great, brilliant marvellous and the hole in the budget deficit is gone.

    Onto year 2 of the tax, the yield should go down as there is only €196bn wealth left but the assumption is that growth of 2% in the economy will bring the revenue back up to €4bn and the dream will continue that the magic tax has filled the hole in the budget deficit.

    Except what really happens is that the wealth-owners hear this tax is on the way and when SF come to collect their 2%, they are collecting it on a much smaller sum. Then they find that there are no entrepreneurs creating jobs so unemployment rises. etc. all down into another budgetary crisis.
    SF or the Dept of Finance have never stated anything about " a wealth tax of 2% that earns €4bn on taxable wealth of €200bn ", so I don't know why your thinking those figures up :)

    Besides, I'm talking about personal wealth tax here, not corporation tax; it's not like an entire company is going to up and leave, causing a large loss of jobs, just one person whose job opening will soon be filled by someone else, causing no loss in tax intake. We are losing an army of young educated people to London, New York and Australia whom we would be better off keeping than the crony's who fill too many of these positions as it is.


  • #38
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,714 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Godge wrote: »
    Onto year 2 of the tax, the yield should go down as there is only €196bn wealth left.

    So a whole 12 months went by and no more wealth has been created?


  • #39
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,714 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    theres a very interesting talk by Nick Hanauer about how taxing rich people or large companies wont affect job creation - considering how so many people thinking taxing corporations means less jobs thinking wealthy people create jobs - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKCvf8E7V1g . "


  • #40
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,820 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    maccored wrote: »
    theres a very interesting talk by Nick Hanauer about how taxing rich people or large companies wont affect job creation - considering how so many people thinking taxing corporations means less jobs thinking wealthy people create jobs - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKCvf8E7V1g . "

    And that talk is in the context of a small, open, peripheral economy, is it?


  • #41
    ChicagoJoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 372 ✭✭ChicagoJoe


    maccored wrote: »
    theres a very interesting talk by Nick Hanauer about how taxing rich people or large companies wont affect job creation - considering how so many people thinking taxing corporations means less jobs thinking wealthy people create jobs - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKCvf8E7V1g . "
    Good video. The necessity of not just a fairer tax system but the need for a better tax system is clearly illustrated in this report. SF propose to standardize discretionary tax reliefs (except charitable donations) to eliminate the opportunities for the well off to dodge tax and would generate as costed by the Dept of Finance €969million. Wouldn't EVER happen under FG/LP despite their many promises of "everyone paying their fair share" and so on.

    "Doctors, dentists, pharmacists, solicitors, landlords and undeclared earnings White collar crime is being taken seriously by the Revenue now it appears."
    http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/revenue-crackdown-on-white-collar-professionals-yields-tens-of-millions-1.1912414


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  • #42
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,714 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    The reason I posted that is its the viewpoint of a rich person who is rich. I think he makes a good point. jobs are created by people buying things, not by the wealthy being richer. ergo taxing them isnt a bad idea.
    oscarBravo wrote: »
    And that talk is in the context of a small, open, peripheral economy, is it?


  • #43
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,820 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    maccored wrote: »
    ergo taxing them isnt a bad idea.

    ...in America, where rich people pay a lower percentage of their income in taxes than middle-class people do.

    Arguments built on assumptions that make sense in the US don't necessarily transfer well to here. You can't rebut an argument that wealth taxes could damage job creation in Ireland by pointing out that one person has argued that income taxes won't damage job creation in the US.


  • #44
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,714 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    I wouldnt agree. Rich is rich no matter what country - the principle remains exactly the same.
    oscarBravo wrote: »
    ...in America, where rich people pay a lower percentage of their income in taxes than middle-class people do.

    Arguments built on assumptions that make sense in the US don't necessarily transfer well to here. You can't rebut an argument that wealth taxes could damage job creation in Ireland by pointing out that one person has argued that income taxes won't damage job creation in the US.


  • #45
    [Deleted User]
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    I am going to give them a go next time. FF Effed up, FG Effed up the original Eff Up. Sin Fein want it more so why not try them.


  • #46
    ChicagoJoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 372 ✭✭ChicagoJoe


    Had a leaflet dropped in by one of the Independents (a left winger), on Tuesday so it's not just SF campaigning already. Still nothing from FG/LP/FF, it looks like to me that these 3 are still somehow hoping there many supporters in the Independent/Irish times/RTE/Newstalk will turn things around for them and/or the economy will miraculously greatly improve in the next 2 years. If so, they could well playing a foolish game ?


  • #47
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,486 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    FF Dublin SW by-election poster went up in the last few days on the Bowstring Bridge near the Red Cow Luas depot. Are they allowed put posters up already?!? Also, it's probably a couple of hundred metres north of the Dublin Mid-West boundary...

    Scrap the cap!



  • #48
    Sierra Oscar
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    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    FF Dublin SW by-election poster went up in the last few days on the Bowstring Bridge near the Red Cow Luas depot. Are they allowed put posters up already?!? Also, it's probably a couple of hundred metres north of the Dublin Mid-West boundary...

    You can erect posters 30 days before the election date so all parties can now erect posters, and could do so since the writ for the election was moved in the Dáil.


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