Money left in ATM machine

Kenny Logins · 30-09-2013 11:16am

McLoughlin wrote: »

Its not theft you left your money there by mistake same if you had left a wallet full of cash on a table its not theft its finders keepers.

I've read some funny Lionel Hutz stuff on here over the years, but 'Finders Keepers' thing is my favourite .

Tordelback · 30-09-2013 11:28am

Cd_doe wrote: »

The way it came into her possession was not dishonest on her part.

If one of my kids tried that line on me, they'd be staring at their bedroom walls for a week while they had good long think about it.

What hope does society have if taking someone's money, when there are half a dozen ways of getting it back to them, isn't considered dishonest by any number of people on this thread who have at least the brains and education to use a keyboard?

30-09-2013 11:33am

michael999999 wrote: »

Contact the guards as she stole your money. Bring a copy of the security footage.

HAHA Contact the Guards , Good one

The MAchine is supposed to suck that back in after a certain amount of time. It can and cant be classed as theft.

Galadriel · 30-09-2013 11:39am

Deleted User wrote: »

HAHA Contact the Guards , Good one

The MAchine is supposed to suck that back in after a certain amount of time. It can and cant be classed as theft.

But the woman didn't allow the machine to swallow the money she took it out and kept it.

SlickTalker · 30-09-2013 12:02pm

One thing that makes me think that she didn't intend on keeping the money was the fact that she went back to take out money from her own account. Surely after taking out a three figure sum she could have just walked straight out the door and not returned to the atm.

Kenny Logins · 30-09-2013 12:19pm

SlickTalker wrote: »

One thing that makes me think that she didn't intend on keeping the money was the fact that she went back to take out money from her own account. Surely after taking out a three figure sum she could have just walked straight out the door and not returned to the atm.

Yeah, I did wonder about that too.

Billy de Bollix · 30-09-2013 12:28pm

I was actually faced with this dilemma on Fri gone....the wife and I pulled into a large retail outlet and stepping outta the car she found (€170)! We sat in the car and discussed A. Handing it over to the management of the centre. B. Handing it into the local station. Eventually we decided to pocket it as simply we do not trust either party would bother their arse finding the poor sod and would pocket the lot or it would be "office drinkies at the chrimbo party" It's paying for some car trouble now but I still feel a tad guilty. Obviously if it had been attached to a wallet or ATM we would not have thought twice about it. If this bitch actually had the gall to pocket this poor sods cash from an ATM I hope she gets bloody caught! Commiserations:'(

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 30-09-2013 12:35pm

Deleted User wrote: »

HAHA Contact the Guards , Good one

The MAchine is supposed to suck that back in after a certain amount of time. It can and cant be classed as theft.

Glad you found something funny in this. She took money that was not hers. It is theft by finding. She did not let the machine swallow it. On going to the door after the OP she did not hand the money in. The Gardai are the people who enforce our laws, in case you don't know that. You may find the notion of informing the Gardai funny but it is the correct thing to do.

This was ultimately theft - perhaps a comical theft to you but still a theft.

Kenny Logins · 30-09-2013 12:36pm

Billy de Bollix wrote: »

I was actually faced with this dilemma on Fri gone....the wife and I pulled into a large retail outlet and stepping outta the car she found (€170)! We sat in the car and discussed A. Handing it over to the management of the centre. B. Handing it into the local station. Eventually we decided to pocket it as simply we do not trust either party would bother their arse finding the poor sod and would pocket the lot or it would be "office drinkies at the chrimbo party" It's paying for some car trouble now but I still feel a tad guilty. Obviously if it had been attached to a wallet or ATM we would not have thought twice about it. If this bitch actually had the gall to pocket this poor sods cash from an ATM I hope she gets bloody caught! Commiserations:'(

You kept it because you think others are dishonest?

metroburgers · 30-09-2013 12:39pm

Billy de Bollix wrote: »

I was actually faced with this dilemma on Fri gone....the wife and I pulled into a large retail outlet and stepping outta the car she found (€170)! We sat in the car and discussed A. Handing it over to the management of the centre. B. Handing it into the local station. Eventually we decided to pocket it as simply we do not trust either party would bother their arse finding the poor sod and would pocket the lot or it would be "office drinkies at the chrimbo party" It's paying for some car trouble now but I still feel a tad guilty. Obviously if it had been attached to a wallet or ATM we would not have thought twice about it. If this bitch actually had the gall to pocket this poor sods cash from an ATM I hope she gets bloody caught! Commiserations:'(

or maybe you could've just held on to the money, put up a sign that an amount of money was found and inform said retail outlet to contact you if claimed. The outlet can't force you to handover the lost money. Kinda obvious to me...

Billy de Bollix · 30-09-2013 12:42pm

Kenny Logins wrote: »

You kept it because you think others are dishonest?

Sure look I know! What would you have done yourself? Will I find myself driving back there in a moral sweat to throw it back on the ground?!!! I have a mate thats a guard and he told me they all have dibs on the drink that's taken off the teens on holloween night so that attitude can sway my decision a tad! As I asked what would ye do?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 30-09-2013 12:42pm

Billy de Bollix wrote: »

I was actually faced with this dilemma on Fri gone....the wife and I pulled into a large retail outlet and stepping outta the car she found (€170)! We sat in the car and discussed A. Handing it over to the management of the centre. B. Handing it into the local station. Eventually we decided to pocket it as simply we do not trust either party would bother their arse finding the poor sod and would pocket the lot or it would be "office drinkies at the chrimbo party" It's paying for some car trouble now but I still feel a tad guilty. Obviously if it had been attached to a wallet or ATM we would not have thought twice about it. If this bitch actually had the gall to pocket this poor sods cash from an ATM I hope she gets bloody caught! Commiserations:'(

You hand the money to the Gardai and after the prescribed period, if unclaimed, it becomes your money. Do the right thing.
I did this about 5 or 6 years ago with a couple of hundred and got it from the Gardai later when it was unclaimed. Another time one if the kids handed in money found and got a nice reward from the owner a couple of days later. Karma!

I think in the UK the finder can cover themselves by advertising the found money but I don't know if that holds here.

OldNotWIse · 30-09-2013 12:45pm

McLoughlin wrote: »

Its not theft you left your money there by mistake same if you had left a wallet full of cash on a table its not theft its finders keepers.

It is theft if the owner "cannot be found by the taking of reasonable steps".

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 30-09-2013 12:46pm

Billy de Bollix wrote: »

Sure look I know! What would you have done yourself? Will I find myself driving back there in a moral sweat to throw it back on the ground?!!! I have a mate thats a guard and he told me they all have dibs on the drink that's taken off the teens on holloween night so that attitude can sway my decision a tad! As I asked what would ye do?

Lord help us, if this is the level of honesty in this country today. Had you lost it I'd imagine you'd be grateful if someone returned it to you. Somebody worse off than you could be in a bad way because of the loss of this money.

dave1982 · 30-09-2013 12:48pm

Billy de Bollix wrote: »

I was actually faced with this dilemma on Fri gone....the wife and I pulled into a large retail outlet and stepping outta the car she found (€170)! We sat in the car and discussed A. Handing it over to the management of the centre. B. Handing it into the local station. Eventually we decided to pocket it as simply we do not trust either party would bother their arse finding the poor sod and would pocket the lot or it would be "office drinkies at the chrimbo party" It's paying for some car trouble now but I still feel a tad guilty. Obviously if it had been attached to a wallet or ATM we would not have thought twice about it. If this bitch actually had the gall to pocket this poor sods cash from an ATM I hope she gets bloody caught! Commiserations:'(

Hope I find your money someday my car needs work done on it:D

OldNotWIse · 30-09-2013 12:49pm

Billy de Bollix wrote: »

Sure look I know! What would you have done yourself? Will I find myself driving back there in a moral sweat to throw it back on the ground?!!! I have a mate thats a guard and he told me they all have dibs on the drink that's taken off the teens on holloween night so that attitude can sway my decision a tad! As I asked what would ye do?

Put up a sign saying "sum of money found" and the person will contact you and tell you the amount? Your whole "we dont trust anyone" speech smacks of someone seeking absolution tbh.

Billy de Bollix · 30-09-2013 12:51pm

Jaysus take it easy lads! I didn't beat up a Granny or a child on their communion day! I think some of you need to ring Joe Duffy and vent a bit! Chill out!

Zillah · 30-09-2013 12:55pm

Billy de Bollix wrote: »

Jaysus take it easy lads! I didn't beat up a Granny or a child on their communion day! I think some of you need to ring Joe Duffy and vent a bit! Chill out!

You should be thrown into a flaming pit and the local children can throw things at you!

Sundew · 30-09-2013 12:56pm

OP: I really hope you follow this up with the gardaí!
I have been behind 2 people who have done this, one in Ireland and one in Manchester. On both occasions I grabbed money and shouted to the person "Your money". It was a natural reaction and I wouldn't have dreamed off keeping it after seeing them make the transaction.
She made a conscious decision to keep the money!

Yo0u will probably have the hound the gardai though, my husband had to hound them to follow up a "hit and run" case even though he had go the exact details off the car. But persisting with the gardaí worked in his case.

It's a sickening way to loose money but easily done when you have alot on your mind. Hope plenty of good karma comes your way

Billy de Bollix · 30-09-2013 1:01pm

Zillah wrote: »

You should be thrown into a flaming pit and the local children can throw things at you!

Monday is always crap....but you have cheered me right up!!! Bahahaha! Cheers! ;-)

Zirconia · 30-09-2013 1:01pm

I suspect she took it with honest intentions myself (though who knows if she changed her mind since).

The reason I think this is that she went back an used the ATM herself. I would expect that if she was dishonest from the outset, she'd just say "hey, three figure sum of cash for free - now I don't have to take any money out after all!"

What if you arrive at an ATM, because you need to take out cash yourself, and there's cash stick out already? Well you can't take your own money out until that cash is removed, so if the previous user isn't around, and you need the cash, you have to take it out so you can use the machine.

Well it seems that's the position she was in? Whe took out the cash and went looking for the owner. Then instead of saying "it's mine now!" she went back and took her own cash out. I would guess she left with the intention of handing it in somewhere, though who's to say someone talked her into pocketing it afterwards.

metroburgers · 30-09-2013 1:03pm

My two cents = this is same as loosing your money on the street, yes it happened at atm but that's irrelevent, it was your carelessness (It happens, we've all been distracted/other things on mind). Hopefully she will take steps to return it, but might not and is under no obligation to. Guards will not assist you. Best thing to do is report to your own bank, possibly this atm machine or your bank is insured/ has certain procedure for this situation.

who_ru wrote: »

Hi.

Not sure where to put this thread.

left a sum of money in an atm machine by mistake, just happened and feel stupid.

after discovering my error i rang the petrol station where i took the money out.

They have it on CCTV.

After I walked away from the atm and left woman in the queue behind me went to use the atm. My cash can be seen in the tray on CCTV.

The woman cannot insert her card because my cash is still there. she sees the cash and takes it out, turns around to look for me outside, walks as far as the door, then turns around and uses the atm herself with her card.

She keeps my cash and leaves without handing in at the till. All of this is on CCTV.

The security guy at the petrol station says he can burn the footage onto a cd.

if i contact the bank operating the atm, explain what happened, time & date etc, footage from cctv, can anything be done about this?

they must know who the woman is since she entered her pin at the atm.

just wondering if i can get my cash back - probably not.

WIZE · 30-09-2013 1:09pm

Billy de Bollix wrote: »

I was actually faced with this dilemma on Fri gone....the wife and I pulled into a large retail outlet and stepping outta the car she found (€170)! We sat in the car and discussed A. Handing it over to the management of the centre. B. Handing it into the local station. Eventually we decided to pocket it as simply we do not trust either party would bother their arse finding the poor sod and would pocket the lot or it would be "office drinkies at the chrimbo party" It's paying for some car trouble now but I still feel a tad guilty. Obviously if it had been attached to a wallet or ATM we would not have thought twice about it. If this bitch actually had the gall to pocket this poor sods cash from an ATM I hope she gets bloody caught! Commiserations:'(

Meh. I would have kept it too.

lukesmom · 30-09-2013 1:14pm

Awful that she just kept your money. I went into aldi on Saturday morning and when I went to pay for my shopping I realised my purse was missing. I'd over a hundred euro in it . I went out to the car in case I had left it there but no luck. Searched all the aisles I had used but no purse. I was nearly in tears at this stage as I'd no more money to my name and needed it to feed kids, buy nappies etc. just when I thought there was no hope, a polish couple came over and handed me my purse. They obviously knew by the expression on my face that I was the owner. All my money was still in my purse. I cannot understand how somebody would not go out of their way to get money back to their rightful owner, any decent person would.

Sundew · 30-09-2013 1:19pm

metroburgers wrote: »

My two cents = this is same as loosing your money on the street, yes it happened at atm but that's irrelevent,

No it's NOT!!! She would have been right behind the person in the queue. Like somebodyelse said the money would only be there for a split few seconds before being swallowed! She had plenty of time to shout the person but she obviously did NOT have the natural reaction to do so!!! I have been that person at that cash machine who saw people leave their money and walk off! It's very easily done if you have stuff on your mind!

Metroburgers : You sound like an opportunist and if you saw a person walking down the street with 50 quid about to fall out of their pocket, would probably not warn them but wait till it fell out and then pick it up! No better then the corrupt bankers in my opinion!

metroburgers · 30-09-2013 1:40pm

Sundew wrote: »

No it's NOT!!! She would have been right behind the person in the queue. Like somebodyelse said the money would only be there for a split few seconds before being swallowed! She had plenty of time to shout the person but she obviously did NOT have the natural reaction to do so!!! I have been that person at that cash machine who saw people leave their money and walk off! It's very easily done if you have stuff on your mind!

Metroburgers : You sound like an opportunist and if you saw a person walking down the street with 50 quid about to fall out of their pocket, would probably not warn them but wait till it fell out and then pick it up! No better then the corrupt bankers in my opinion!

Read the OP... "The woman cannot insert her card because my cash is still there" = meaning she did not see the money and tried to insert her card without success. She did not have time to shout as he did not initially see the money, when she did, she went to the door to look for the OP. Re: your personal slur nice trolling!

dazberry · 30-09-2013 1:59pm

metroburgers wrote: »

My two cents = this is same as loosing your money on the street, yes it happened at atm but that's irrelevent, it was your carelessness (It happens, we've all been distracted/other things on mind). Hopefully she will take steps to return it, but might not and is under no obligation to. Guards will not assist you. Best thing to do is report to your own bank, possibly this atm machine or your bank is insured/ has certain procedure for this situation.

Same thing happened to my mother, the Gardai did assist and the money was returned.

D.

Sundew · 30-09-2013 2:02pm

metroburgers wrote: »

Read the OP... "The woman cannot insert her card because my cash is still there" = meaning she did not see the money and tried to insert her card without success. She did not have time to shout as he did not initially see the money, when she did, she went to the door to look for the OP. Re: your personal slur nice trolling!

This happens many times when you go to insert your card...that machine doesn't except it straightaway. She knew well what she was doing!!!
As for your accusation of me being a troll. I have been posting on Boards for years so don't you dare make that accusation!!!

foggy_lad · 30-09-2013 2:15pm

Billy de Bollix wrote: »

Jaysus take it easy lads! I didn't beat up a Granny or a child on their communion day! I think some of you need to ring Joe Duffy and vent a bit! Chill out!

The money could have been dropped by some child out spending their communion money or some pensioner out doing some shopping. You didn't beat anyone up but still walked off with their money.

minidazzler · 30-09-2013 2:18pm

I honestly think the majority of people in this thread are just looking for something negative. Calling the woman a bitch for not immediately jumping to attention and hitting up the Garda station? Of course you don't hand in money to staff at the petrol station, but you also should not be required to bring it straight to a Garda station, she might have had stuff to do.

The thread was posted at 10 to 5 on a Saturday afternoon. I know I tend to have better things to do than go to a Garda station, most of which aren't open on weekends.

Check again this evening OP. And stop talking about this woman like she mugged you, you are a mug, you were not mugged. She reacted by taking the money out, most people don't know how ATM's work, she looked for you, and very well could have turned it in when she got time to go to the garda station.

This thread makes me feel sick for the lack of grace of most of the posters, looking straight at the worst possible outcome and condemning the woman without her even being given a real chance.

EDIT: I also find it hilarious that the person to call this lady a bitch is the same one who found 170 euro, used it to fix their car and took absolutely no reasonable steps whatsoever to find the owner. Not even one, a real class act.

metroburgers · 30-09-2013 2:18pm

Sundew wrote: »

This happens many times when you go to insert your card...that machine doesn't except it straightaway.

Exactly, so she waited a bit for her card to be submitted but after good few secs it still wasn't and maybe then she only saw the cash, with OP long gone. When using an ATM, I don't start by checking if there's money still in the cash dispenser...

Sundew · 30-09-2013 2:29pm

I have been in that position where people have left money in the machine. HAVE YOU?? On both occasions person could be identified quite readily!
You can't miss seeing the money unless her brain wasn't fully engaged!
I don't think the OP sped off that quickly from the scene. I think the lady paused, thought about it but didn't have a natural reaction to return the money straight away when she saw it. I think she had a delayed response which means she considered keeping it from the beginning!

minidazzler · 30-09-2013 2:32pm

Sundew wrote: »

I have been in that position where people have left money in the machine. HAVE YOU?? On both occasions person could be identified quite readily!
You can't miss seeing the money unless her brain wasn't fully engaged!
I don't think the OP sped off that quickly from the scene. I think the lady paused, thought about it but didn't have a natural reaction to return the money straight away when she saw it. I think she had a delayed response which means she considered keeping it from the beginning!

I think you're full of <SNIP>

How very freudian of you. Now, tell me, what do you think she had for breakfast based on the slight stain on her blouse?

Powerhouse · 30-09-2013 2:33pm

slimjimmc wrote: »

Has no one considered the possibility that the woman has already handed the money into a Garda station in the hope that the rightful owner would come to retrieve it there?

All the more reason to go to the Gardaí then isn't it?

Calhoun · 30-09-2013 2:33pm

Billy de Bollix wrote: »

Jaysus take it easy lads! I didn't beat up a Granny or a child on their communion day! I think some of you need to ring Joe Duffy and vent a bit! Chill out!

No but what you do is try justify your actions by predicting the actions of others, if you wanted to be guilt free should have thought of measuring yourself against your own actions.

Sundew · 30-09-2013 2:41pm

OP: Go to the Garda and try get your money back. Irish people are becoming more and more dishonest everyday and I can't stand dishonesty or efforts not been made to reunite people with lost property!

Sundew · 30-09-2013 2:45pm

minidazzler wrote: »

I think you're full of <SNIP>:) How very freudian of you. Now, tell me, what do you think she had for breakfast based on the slight stain on her blouse?

No I think you and people like you who don't make efforts to do the right thing are full of crap!!!!! You don't know the story behind the person who lost the money. It's very easy to take, take, take and put the responsibility onto the person who looses the item!

dudara · 30-09-2013 2:53pm

Posters - take a deep breath before replying. There are a lot of personal attacks going on here which are not tolerated on Boards. If I see any more personal attacks, I will infract/ban as appropriate.

dudara

freesia1 · 30-09-2013 3:47pm

Any luck today who ru , with return visit to garda station?

Greenmachine · 30-09-2013 4:21pm

Wow can't actually believe there is an offence called "Theft by finding". I sympatise with the op and in that situation would return the cash to the op.

OldNotWIse · 30-09-2013 4:28pm

Greenmachine wrote: »

Wow can't actually believe there is an offence called "Theft by finding". I sympatise with the op and in that situation would return the cash to the op.

Well if you see something and take it, knowing it's not yours and you fail to take reasonable steps to find the owner... I mean, its not like someone just plants the stuff on you and you've committed an offence.

Greenmachine · 30-09-2013 4:37pm

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Well if you see something and take it, knowing it's not yours and you fail to take reasonable steps to find the owner... I mean, its not like someone just plants the stuff on you and you've committed an offence.

I would think that it is a civil matter and not a criminal matter. On the other hand I think private clamping should be criminalised. Don't want to derail the thread to much so I will end with: I hope the owner is reunited with there money. In truth most people who find money on the street would keep it.

OldNotWIse · 30-09-2013 4:40pm

Greenmachine wrote: »

I would think that it is a civil matter and not a criminal matter. On the other hand I think private clamping should be criminalised. Don't want to derail the thread to much so I will end with: I hope the owner is reunited with there money. In truth most people who find money on the street would keep it.

Theft is a criminal offence.

MissEmcee · 30-09-2013 4:51pm

trellheim wrote: »

As far as I can tell you don't have rights to the CCTV footage, you could be anybody on a blurry screen. Data Protection would take a dim view. Chalk this one down to experience OP if the cops don't want to get involved.

You are absolutely correct. It is illegal under the Data Protection Act to supply CCTV footage of other persons other than yourself. The shop are only permitted if the so wish to supply you of stills (or video) of yourself only and no body else. If they supply you anything other than yourself they may be getting themselves in a spot of bother and could be before the courts. CCTV images are "personal data" and it is defined in the DPA of 1988 and 2003.

minidazzler · 30-09-2013 5:07pm

Sundew wrote: »

No I think you and people like you who don't make efforts to do the right thing are full of crap!!!!! You don't know the story behind the person who lost the money. It's very easy to take, take, take and put the responsibility onto the person who looses the item!

Actually, I would and have made efforts to return lost property. I'm giving out about yours and the other posters here apparent pessimistic view on everyone. The lady who found the money could have been busy all weekend, a Monday is the best time to check the Garda Station, but people are stuck on the assumption that she stole it. From a lack of being able to see the inherent goodness of people.

The story behind the person who lost the money is, they walked away from an ATM without the money. The story behind the person who found it, is completely unknown. Not turning it into the shop isn't an indication of anything but not trusting the shop.

Brando_ie · 30-09-2013 5:08pm

furiousox wrote: »

Was she in a car?
If you can get her car reg from the cctv, the guards will locate her easily.

Similar story with a previous employer:

Cash box with bank card and the PIN conveniently stuck on with postit so the receptionist wouldn't forget was lifted from the office.
Theft not noticed for two days.
In which time the perp had used the card three times, €100, €500 & €500
Rang bank who were a client of the office and manager a personal friend of my boss.
Bank reviewed CCTV and dude could be clearly seen in all three transactions.
Bank manager recognised perp.
Car license could be seen on CCTV in the last transaction at 3am.
Bank manager put all evidence on a DVD but would / could not give my boss any of the footage (only guards)
After four days of ringing guards they eventually arrived in the office
Plain clothed detective physically pushed me out of the way when I opened the door and asked who he was here to see (Multi use office building with one main entrance)
Detective was abrubt / disinterested with my boss who passed along the details (but held back on his own detective discussions with his bank manager friend so as not to be seen to be doing the cops job)
After no word back for three weeks my boss began ringing guards station to find out what was what?
Eventually after a dozen or so calls over weeks the detective rang back and notified my boss that they 'investigated' fully and that no CCTV footage of the perp existed and the trail was cold.
Boss rang bank manager buddy..... no one had even called in to get footage let alone investigated same :rolleyes:

So not as open and shut as I would have first thought.

Greenmachine · 30-09-2013 5:18pm

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Theft is a criminal offence.

In numerous jurisdictions it is considered a civil matter. There is more than one interpretation in such matter.

OldNotWIse · 30-09-2013 5:24pm

Greenmachine wrote: »

In numerous jurisdictions it is considered a civil matter. There is more than one interpretation in such matter.

It's not about interpretation.

Criminal Justice (Theft and Fraud Offences) Act, 2001 (section 4 to be precise)

For the purposes of discussing something that happened in Ireland, I would assume we are talking about the Irish legal system unless otherwise specified?

Greenmachine · 30-09-2013 5:40pm

Interpretation indicates a individuals understanding of the situation, whether they are right our wrong. You can list Criminal Acts all you want, but they fail to demonsrtate anything, without demonstrating where a precedent has been set in the matter. Failure to make a reasonable attempt to reunite the property with the owner. What exactly is a reasonable attempt to achieve this. We don't know the mental state of the woman in this case. For all we know she could be a paranoid schizophrenic or have asperger's syndrome. We don't know yet if the women can be held legal responsible for her action. The offence may only be recognised where there is an except level of reasonable responsible. The case could easily get tied up in semantic. Even if a conviction is made I feel at worse the alleged offender would possibly be obliged to do community service.

Fred Swanson · 30-09-2013 5:42pm

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