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Formula 1 2015: General Discussion Thread

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  • #2052
    smellslikeshoes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭smellslikeshoes


    It's really noticeable the hole left by not having a German GP, 3 weeks gap before Hungary and then the 4 week summer shutdown. :(


  • #2053
    _rebelkid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭_rebelkid


    Normal service has resumed, Hungarian GP Race Thread.


  • #2054
    Jordan 199
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


    Saw these on the Sauber website:

    1993 Sauber C12 and 2015 Sauber C34 steering wheel comparison.

    1993 Sauber C12 and 2015 Sauber C34 nose and front wing comparison.


  • #2055
    JacquesSon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 758 ✭✭✭JacquesSon


    When unlikely events converge to produce a beneficial outcome for all parties, I'm naturally suspicious.

    F1 is criticised for being uncompetitive and suddenly you have the most eventful and competitive race in years.

    Hamilton was so bad in Hungary, I almost reached for the tin hat.

    Instead I'm hopeful the Ferraris are genuinely competitive. I'm tempted to put some money on Vettel for the title. He's a pedigree champion and there's Senna-Mansell gap in class between him and Hamilton. Second half of the season could be epic. :)


  • #2056
    Harika
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭Harika


    JacquesSon wrote: »
    When unlikely events converge to produce a beneficial outcome for all parties, I'm naturally suspicious.

    F1 is criticised for being uncompetitive and suddenly you have the most eventful and competitive race in years.

    Hamilton was so bad in Hungary, I almost reached for the tin hat.

    Instead I'm hopeful the Ferraris are genuinely competitive. I'm tempted to put some money on Vettel for the title. He's a pedigree champion and there's Senna-Mansell gap in class between him and Hamilton. Second half of the season could be epic. :)

    I think a lot of the excitement was caused by the bad start of the Mercedes and Lewis blackouts that threw him back. Mercedes was still far faster than Ferrari, especially Hamilton, but what became obvious was that Rosberg cannot compete with Vettel, he is simply no championship winning driver. He will be remembered as someone like Berger, Coulthard, Irvine, Barichello, Massa. Good enough for race wins but in the deciding moments champions like Hamilton, Alonso or Hakkinen will take initiative and take the risk or stay safe. Personally I thought when he argued against the team for the harder compound he wanted to do the same as Hamilton did in Silverstone and make the right choice at the right time. Imo the safe option, but why then fight Riccardo hard if he is clearly faster?

    And for all excitement I want to pinpoint that Allison cars usually work best in the heat, Raikönnen at Lotus was shining mostly when the race track was hot. Ferrari might snitch one or two more race wins, but overall I would wonder if Hamilton does not become world champion as the Mercedes is the overall better car, and have not pulled engine development tokens during the season compared to Ferrari. Also I think Rosberg will then break down as he will realise himself that he cannot beat Lewis in normal race conditions and he might look for another cockpit, maybe at RedBull or McLaren to circumvent Lewis.


  • #2057
    Going Strong
    Registered Users Posts: 837 ✭✭✭Going Strong


    Renault to decide F1 future soon

    http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/renault-closes-in-on-final-f1-future-decision/

    There's rumours that they want to "Do a BAR" by buying out Lotus but letting Lopez keep the Enstone team's F1 entry while Renault take over their old home once more as a "Brand New team". It seems to depend on Bernie allocating "Legacy Payments" to Renault and the amount of money involved.


  • #2058
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users Posts: 11,964 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    I'm sure that manufacturer bonus would be an extra sweetener for Renault.


  • #2059
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Jordan 191 wrote: »
    Saw these on the Sauber website:

    1993 Sauber C12 and 2015 Sauber C34 steering wheel comparison.

    1993 Sauber C12 and 2015 Sauber C34 nose and front wing comparison.
    I don't know how they cope with the new wheels. Like, how many of those buttons do they actually use on a regular basis in a race? Are some/most of them there because they have to be for setup but not really used much in the race or does the F1 driver actually use most those buttons while racing??

    It must be a distraction, I regularly see the drivers changing settings in the middle of a corner which must be a safety issue. Looking at that wheel there's buttons, switches and toggles in places I didn't even know there were buttons. Every available space has some sort of input device.


  • #2060
    JacquesSon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 758 ✭✭✭JacquesSon


    Jenson Buttons?

    As unlikely a solution as a Jenson fuel injector. :)


  • #2061
    JacquesSon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 758 ✭✭✭JacquesSon


    Harika wrote: »
    I think... Rosberg cannot compete with Vettel, he is simply no championship winning driver. He will be remembered as someone like Berger, Coulthard, Irvine[\b],

    Irvine was teammate to the best driver in F1 history. He was on par with Hakkinen as a driver. Irvine would own Lewis Hamilton as a team mate today.

    It would be entertaining to watch though.


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  • #2062
    Charlie-Bravo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,684 ✭✭✭Charlie-Bravo


    The virtual safety and safety car scenarios are beginning to play on mind on how much more beneficial it is to have VSC during a race in lieu of the SC which seems to neutralise a lead-gap advantage.

    Having a VSC does mean cars will slow to a delta. During this period the cars might have the option of making a pit stop and less likely losing more places as you would in normal racing. So is it useful to pit during a VSC, and would it be worth while having a VSC for a specified period which will not allow any gain for those who are at the right point of the track. What I mean is, have it exactly for a minimum of 1 lap allowing anyone who wishes to pit to do so!?

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  • #2063
    Harika
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭Harika


    JacquesSon wrote: »
    Irvine was teammate to the best driver in F1 history. He was on par with Hakkinen as a driver. Irvine would own Lewis Hamilton as a team mate today.

    It would be entertaining to watch though.

    Berger was too team mate of one of the best drivers, and he remembered that for McLaren he was testing all winter long, prepping the car during testing for himself while Senna was on the beach. When he came back, he jumped into the car and destroyed Bergers times.
    Anyway even trough the times, Irvine was never in a commanding position to his team mate, even spare drivers were beating him. /hi Mika Salo


  • #2064
    counterlock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,954 ✭✭✭counterlock


    Eddie didn't beat Hakkinen once in 1999 in a straight fight, he prospered off the reliability of the McLaren and did a good job stepping up but let's be realistic.


  • #2065
    Corben Dallas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭Corben Dallas


    Irvine was teammate to the best driver in F1 history. He was on par with Hakkinen as a driver. Irvine would own Lewis Hamilton as a team mate today.

    This made me laugh. Irvine better that Lewis.....not even a chance. I would rate Berger, Hill, Rubens & Massa even above Irvine.

    Maybe u forget that the main reason he was leading that yrs Ferrari Championship fight was that was Schumi broke his leg at the British GP. Good competent driver but totally not even near WC level that Lewis/Alonso/Vettel/Kimi are at..... i mean come on.... :|


  • #2066
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Corben Dallas wrote: »
    Irvine was teammate to the best driver in F1 history. He was on par with Hakkinen as a driver. Irvine would own Lewis Hamilton as a team mate today.

    This made me laugh. Irvine better that Lewis.....not even a chance. I would rate Berger, Hill, Rubens & Massa even above Irvine.

    Maybe u forget that the main reason he was leading that yrs Ferrari Championship fight was that was Schumi broke his leg at the British GP. Good competent driver but totally not even near WC level that Lewis/Alonso/Vettel/Kimi are at..... i mean come on.... :|

    Hill is fine. The rest requires a lot of convincing. Though it was Massa not being able to find the right place to stop that made the last race so good I guess :p


  • #2067
    Infoanon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Hill is fine. The rest requires a lot of convincing. Though it was Massa not being able to find the right place to stop that made the last race so good I guess :p

    Massa would have been world champion in 2008 if it had not been for some appalling luck eg Hungary /Singapore etc


  • #2068
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Infoanon wrote: »
    Massa would have been world champion in 2008 if it had not been for some appalling luck eg Hungary /Singapore etc

    What if's/but's/maybe's. If Lewis' gearbox hadn't crapped out in Brazil 08 he would have finished higher than 5th. There's tons of what if's you could apply to 2008, on both sides.


  • #2069
    Brendan Flowers
    Registered Users Posts: 1,378 ✭✭✭Brendan Flowers


    Corben Dallas wrote: »
    Irvine was teammate to the best driver in F1 history. He was on par with Hakkinen as a driver. Irvine would own Lewis Hamilton as a team mate today.

    This made me laugh. Irvine better that Lewis.....not even a chance. I would rate Berger, Hill, Rubens & Massa even above Irvine.

    Maybe u forget that the main reason he was leading that yrs Ferrari Championship fight was that was Schumi broke his leg at the British GP. Good competent driver but totally not even near WC level that Lewis/Alonso/Vettel/Kimi are at..... i mean come on.... :|

    While I would agree that Suchumacher/Hakkinen/Hamilton/etc are on another level to Irvine, I think Irvine does deserve some credit for 1999. Up to and including the British GP, Eddie and Schumacher were level on points. And if I remember correctly, didnt Irvine give a place to Schumacher in France. Had he not done that he actually would've been ahead of Michael in the standing after Silverstone!


  • #2070
    T-Bird
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭T-Bird


    JB rumoured to co host Top Gear.


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  • #2071
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    T-Bird wrote: »
    JB rumoured to co host Top Gear.

    Heard that, would much rather see him as part of the BBC F1 crew if he stops racing.


  • #2072
    Mike Litoris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,284 ✭✭✭Mike Litoris


    T-Bird wrote: »
    JB rumoured to co host Top Gear.


    That's a nuts rumour!


  • #2073
    flazio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,250 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    We don't know who replaced Ben Collins as the Stig though, you never know Button might already been part of the Top Gear team without us knowing.


  • #2074
    Zcott
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,206 ✭✭✭Zcott


    Apparently Ferrari's option on Kimi expires at midnight on Friday and they're going to let it lapse.


  • #2075
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,891 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Not sure how Button would fit in on Top Gear though, wouldn't Honda and McLaren have some restrictions on him openly driving other cars?

    As for Kimi, Ferrari are in the better position on this. I would like to see Bottas in there, he has the potential and speed. Ricciardo would be great in there also but I'm not sure Vettel would want that. Hulk is always an option and his stock is quite high lately.

    I wouldn't know who to pick or to still give Kimi another shot. He has had desperate luck this year so far, but he was outclasses last year by Alonso in the same car.


  • #2076
    mickdw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,462 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Gintonious wrote: »
    Not sure how Button would fit in on Top Gear though, wouldn't Honda and McLaren have some restrictions on him openly driving other cars?

    As for Kimi, Ferrari are in the better position on this. I would like to see Bottas in there, he has the potential and speed. Ricciardo would be great in there also but I'm not sure Vettel would want that. Hulk is always an option and his stock is quite high lately.

    I wouldn't know who to pick or to still give Kimi another shot. He has had desperate luck this year so far, but he was outclasses last year by Alonso in the same car.

    I'm sure it would only be in the case of f1 retirement for button and I would assume a full presenting role, not just a stig type role.


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  • #2077
    Harika
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭Harika


    mickdw wrote: »
    I'm sure it would only be in the case of f1 retirement for button and I would assume a full presenting role, not just a stig type role.

    I think Button would also be a good candidate for a LMS cockpit, as they have less races it could work with Top Gear, like Wurz is at most races Co-commentator at ORF, Davidson at Sky F1.


  • #2078
    Jordan 199
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


    An article and animation of the 2017 F1 car here.


  • #2079
    Zcott
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,206 ✭✭✭Zcott


    Jordan 191 wrote: »
    An article and animation of the 2017 F1 car here.

    Really can't wait to see that in the flesh...wide track and low rear wings instantly make the car look a million times better!


  • #2080
    challengemaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,930 ✭✭✭✭challengemaster


    German GP for 2016 is in Hockenheim, tickets already on sale - weekend tickets from €99 and kids entry is free

    http://www.hockenheimring.de/news/Formel1-2016


  • #2081
    zombieHanalei
    Closed Accounts Posts: 695 ✭✭✭zombieHanalei


    1999 Canadian GP about to start on Sky F1 now, well worth a watch if you have 90 minutes to spare, the race that gave us the wall of champions!!


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  • #2082
    Jordan 199
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


    zombieHanalei wrote: »
    1999 Canadian GP about to start on Sky F1 now, well worth a watch if you have 90 minutes to spare, the race that gave us the wall of champions!!

    That was a great race. It's one I always remember too because of what happened to Frentzen.

    He had a super season in 1999.


  • #2083
    greedygoblin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭greedygoblin


    Jordan 191 wrote: »
    That was a great race. It's one I always remember too because of what happened to Frentzen.

    He had a super season in 1999.

    Brake disc failure wasn't it?


  • #2084
    donspeekinglesh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,868 ✭✭✭donspeekinglesh


    greedygoblin wrote: »
    Brake disc failure wasn't it?

    Yep


  • #2085
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Frentzen had a great chance to win the Championship in 1999.

    Brake disc failure with 4 laps to go in Canada while in second.
    Car broke down I think at the Nurburgring while winning.


  • #2086
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Did someone mention earlier that the option to retain Kimi ran out at midnight on Sunday night? I wonder what the decision was...


  • #2087
    donspeekinglesh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,868 ✭✭✭donspeekinglesh


    This was posted recently and explains what happened.


  • #2088
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    I dont see him at Ferrari next year


  • #2089
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    I dont see him at Ferrari next year

    Hard to see it alright...looking forward to silly season this year :D


  • #2090
    Harika
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭Harika


    Myrddin wrote: »
    Did someone mention earlier that the option to retain Kimi ran out at midnight on Sunday night? I wonder what the decision was...

    Ferrari mentioned they won't deal with their driver decision until September. Very likely we will see a decision at Monza with an engine upgrade, as Ferrari is notorious to shine at their home track.


  • #2091
    mickdw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,462 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Frentzen had a great chance to win the Championship in 1999.

    Brake disc failure with 4 laps to go in Canada while in second.
    Car broke down I think at the Nurburgring while winning.

    Remember watching Canada that year and nearly crying when frentzens brake exploded.


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  • #2092
    flazio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,250 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    I'd love to see the wider rear wings return, F1 cars have looked a bit silly with those little boxes on the back IMO.


  • #2093
    EvilMonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,823 ✭✭✭EvilMonkey


    Myrddin wrote: »
    Hard to see it alright...looking forward to silly season this year :D

    I would say they will keep him but he will be taking a pay cut.


  • #2094
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    EvilMonkey wrote: »
    I would say they will keep him but he will be taking a pay cut.

    Possibly so, at least then for 2017 Bottas will be on the market without having to be bought out of his contract?


  • #2095
    Corben Dallas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭Corben Dallas


    Option running out>, does'nt mean Kimi is leaving. Ferrari makes the call.

    Will probably wait till Monza and get the extra PR, but they would be making a mistake to let Kimi go, after all he turned Lotus into winners again.

    When Kimi is 'ON' he coult (still) beat any of the topline GP Drivers. Huge asset to have in second car. They should keep him even if only for a year.

    Bottas/ Heidfield makes sense, Ricky's much more of a risk.

    *** plus F1 will become v boring without the 'Iceman' :D


  • #2096
    Jordan 199
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


    Corben Dallas wrote: »

    Bottas/ Heidfield makes sense, Ricky's much more of a risk.

    Nick Heidfeld makes shock F1 return with Ferrari :eek: :D


  • #2097
    Corben Dallas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭Corben Dallas


    Eh :rolleyes:;):o that should be Nicko :p Hulkenberg er...field ahem ...of course.

    So thats Nicko Hulkenfeld for Ferrari in 16!!!!
    U heard it here first :p


  • #2098
    flazio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,250 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Heidfeld certainly made an impact in Formula E, that's for sure. ;)


  • #2099
    ricimaki
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 714 ✭✭✭ricimaki


    Like father like son:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_abLofpbl98


  • #2100
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    What car is Jos driving there?


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  • #2101
    counterlock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,954 ✭✭✭counterlock


    Myrddin wrote: »
    What car is Jos driving there?
    2003 Minardi I'd say. It was his last F1 drive


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