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I spoke to God!

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  • #152
    af_thefragile
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,171 ✭✭✭af_thefragile


    Caoimhín wrote: »
    Mainly i suppose because the media in this country is saturated by Anglo-American opinion. Also because it happened live on TV, there was lots of footage and there is a demand for all the programmes and press articles about it.

    TV producers and editors know bloody well that the masses cant get enough of it.

    Maybe many Europeans and Irish are far more familiar with New York than Pakistan? Certainly there is more public interest in US current events than South Asia (rightly or wrongly).

    So to answer your question, I think it is a mix of voyeurism, cultural interest and mindlessly lapping up whatever the telly and paper says..
    We all saw how Israel bombed the crap out of Gaza on tv a couple of years back. We saw this year how Israelis attacked the aid ships to Gaza and stopped them from giving the dying Gazans any aid.

    We also saw how Iraq got bombed the shot out of on tv. we saw videos of people being drowned in the tsunami and the destruction it left behind.

    Turn on your tv and you can watch the extent of the floods in Pakistan and how it has left MILLIONS of people homeless.

    We've all witnessed tons of tragedies on tv. Yet only one of them is repeated regularly every year just in case some people might have forgotten about it.

    Yes the media is what injects us with a dose of how terrible 9/11 was every year as a sort of justification for the atrocities being committed in it's name around the world.

    And we let our lives and emotions be dictated by the biased, propagandist, agenda shoving media.

    I have a mind to think and decide for myself what's good and bad in this world. I don't need the tv to teach me how to think and see things.


  • #153
    kfallon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,775 ✭✭✭✭kfallon


    The conspiracy theories about 9/11 are all a load of me hoop! Think about it, if this was an 'inside' job it would involve an awful lot of Americans keeping their mouth shut.....and that alone is practically an impossibility!!!


  • #154
    --Kaiser--
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,461 ✭✭✭--Kaiser--


    shinfujiwara wrote: »
    I don't know this forum, maybe you could give me the information if it is good indeed.

    But let me ask you something, did I offended you? If yes, how? Why so much hostility? Do you bring anything at all to the table behaving like this?

    Watch the documentary, reflect, search information. Then we can discuss it on a grown up level, if you don't mind. If you knew me you would know that I'm not a sensationalist at all, I'm sharing information. I believe it is a good thing, isn't it?

    Here you go, enjoy
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=576

    Yes, I have watched some of the documentaries about 9/11 (perhaps not the one you are referring to) and they were complete bollox, about on par with those documentaries about the 'faked' moon landing


  • #155
    Caoimhín
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,789 ✭✭✭Caoimhín


    af_thefragile wrote: »
    I have a mind to think and decide for myself what's good and bad in this world. I don't need the tv to teach me how to think and see things.

    Good to hear that. You missed my point though, I think the reason why there is so much media focus on 9/11 is because TV and newspaper bosses know that it will generate huge ratings/circulation.


  • #156
    shinfujiwara
    Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭shinfujiwara


    foxinsox wrote: »
    Do you seriously think the U.S Government organised for the planes to crash into Twin Towers killing all those people just so they would have an excuse to invade Iraq?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkd6oAuJqfs

    It's scary to think of it, but that's what most of documentaries about this case suggest to me. As much as I feel extreme difficulty to believe in a supernatural being called God for example.

    America scares the whole **** out of me. Too much power for only one country :/


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  • #157
    Jumpy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭Jumpy


    http://www.helpfeedthetroll.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/911_Memories.jpg


  • #158
    shinfujiwara
    Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭shinfujiwara


    --Kaiser-- wrote: »
    Here you go, enjoy
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=576

    Yes, I have watched some of the documentaries about 9/11 (perhaps not the one you are referring to) and they were complete bollox, about on par with those documentaries about the 'faked' moon landing

    I'll take a look on it, thank you.

    If you didn't, and find it interesting enough, I really recommend that Zeitgeist one. It is so interesting that google let them put the whole movie for free on YouTube. Normal videos they only let 15 minutes or so. And it's about different topics too, not only 11/9, which makes it even more interesting.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHiuaGJ46zo
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gKX9TWRyfs&feature=related

    Take a look on it.


  • #159
    af_thefragile
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,171 ✭✭✭af_thefragile


    Caoimhín wrote: »
    Good to hear that. You missed my point though, I think the reason why there is so much media focus on 9/11 is because TV and newspaper bosses know that it will generate huge ratings/circulation.

    And you seemed to have missed my point.
    Isarel-Palestine, the floods and any tragedy around the world can generate enough ratings under skilled journalism.

    And most of us don't even think about 9/11 any more. I'm sure there are many people who are sick of 'yet another 9/11 dicumentary'. Still every year in September we are reminded by the media how horrible 9/11 was and the war on terror is justified because of that. It's not ratings, this is propaganda.


  • #160
    minotour
    Registered Users Posts: 655 ✭✭✭minotour


    11 pages of comments on such a crap thread, most of which missed the point. The documentary was basically 11/9/01 (nothing happened on 9th November) done "cloverfield" style. They seem to have set a threshold for the quality of submitted videos or worse sent out a dedicated team into a very dangerous situation to document events as they unfolded and bundled it with several good quality amateur captures.

    Point is, it was compelling viewing, it was the first time i saw this particular footage of the first tower keeling over, it didnt fall straight down, one corner gave way and the floors above tipped over and fell to the ground. Subsequent footage from the area was comparable to a nuclear strike. One old guy was stopped running out from the area and quipped "I may be 69 but thank God i can still run", poor bastard is probably dead now from the damage done to his lungs.

    Also the firemen marching off to the second tower after the first collapse, you could see in their eyes they knew they would soon be dead, like i said compelling viewing, no more.

    As for talking to God, I saw the easter bunny but no magic carpenter?


  • #161
    sbsquarepants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    3000 thousand innocent people being killed for any cause or reason is terrible, but what i personaly find absolutely obscene, is that the american government used the death of these 3000 as justification for the killing of maybe 100 times as many. I don't see things ever improving to be honest, certainly not any time soon.


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  • #162
    shinfujiwara
    Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭shinfujiwara


    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    3000 thousand innocent people being killed for any cause or reason is terrible, but what i personaly find absolutely obscene, is that the american government used the death of these 3000 as justification for the killing of maybe 100 times as many. I don't see things ever improving to be honest, certainly not any time soon.

    Agreed. And we call our world today "Civilized World".

    You must laugh not to cry.


  • #163
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,069 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    kfallon wrote: »
    The conspiracy theories about 9/11 are all a load of me hoop! Think about it, if this was an 'inside' job it would involve an awful lot of Americans keeping their mouth shut.....and that alone is practically an impossibility!!!

    The ones about it been an inside job and carried out by Americans are ludicrous and would require hundreds of people to know about it and keep the secret. But really only a few people would have to keep quiet about it if it was a case where they knew something was gonna happen on the day but decided not to act on intelligence. These sort of things don't need to be as vastly orchestrated as some people claim


  • #164
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    shinfujiwara wrote: »
    I find really interesting the fact that the majority of people get shocked by these things such as 11/9. Do you think that number of people dying is too much? I don't even know how many people died in the world last year because of all sorts of things, worse things. You just wasn't there to watch it.

    Taking Rio de Janeiro for example, a Brazilian city, people get killed in droves and daily. They make movies, books, songs to have people aware of the situation of our world, and people deny it. Just because it's not happening live on BBC, they think that it didn't happen.

    I suggest you to watch a movie called Tropa de Elite, english title Elite Squad. It's about Rio de Janeiro's violence. And I also suggest watching the two movies called Zeitgeist. They're available for free on YouTube and P2P websites.

    And yes, 11/9 was a scheme coming from America's government. If you don't believe it, watch the movies that I said and search for information on the web. There is too much evidence, even coming from the mouths of policemen and firefighters that were there in that day.

    Lol


  • #165
    Wazdakka
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,467 ✭✭✭Wazdakka


    God doesn't exist. Plain and simple.
    Not our god or theirs. It's all complete bunk.

    No god is looking after the victims of either sides actions and no god is the reason for the war being fought on either side.

    What I believe actually happened on September 11th 2001 isn't important.

    What is important is what has happened since that.
    Every life that has been lost in the resulting conflict and the atrocities that have been committed on both sides has nothing to do with god, Allah, Santa Claus, The Tooth Fairy or any other imaginary friend.
    It's not about revenge, or global stability, or human rights or even fighting "terrorists".

    It's about Power and Money and Oil.
    It's about the United States of America getting as much as they can of all three.
    It's about anybody who will support America getting a small slice of the pie, and anybody who refuses to help or actually stands up to them being branded as a coward or a Terrorist.

    September 11th 2001... Worse things happen all over the world every other week.
    More people die in worse circumstances for less of a reason.
    Where's the bleeding heart for them?

    America needs to get over itself.
    Stop treating September 11th as a tragic event that has personally offended and emotionally effected every man, woman and child in the USA...
    Start treating it like the only thing it's been used as.
    An excuse to fúck even more with the global play of power and money.

    Fúck you America! :mad:

    [/Daily rant]


  • #166
    shinfujiwara
    Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭shinfujiwara


    Terry wrote: »
    Lol


    That was the most helpful post I've ever seen in my life.

    A LOL coming from a moderator, didn't expect for that.


  • #167
    af_thefragile
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,171 ✭✭✭af_thefragile


    ^that's because zeitgeist is nothing but propaganda in itself. It mixes lies with truth to make you believe everything they're saying is true while not even half of what they're saying is true.

    There are some other documentaries though which are much mote accurate at showing what's going on in the world.


  • #168
    sheesh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭sheesh


    Seaneh wrote: »
    You're thinking of Muhammad.

    Allah is God.

    ah feck!!!! your right of course. :o

    thats kind of embarassing


  • #169
    shinfujiwara
    Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭shinfujiwara


    af_thefragile wrote: »
    ^that's because zeitgeist is nothing but propaganda in itself. It mixes lies with truth to make you believe everything they're saying is true while not even half of what they're saying is true.

    There are some other documentaries though which are much mote accurate at showing what's going on in the world.

    Sharing this ones would be a very helpful thing. Not LOL other peoples beliefs, don't you agree?

    If you could share with me, please do so. I would love it.


  • #170
    Caoimhín
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,789 ✭✭✭Caoimhín


    af_thefragile wrote: »
    And you seemed to have missed my point.
    Isarel-Palestine, the floods and any tragedy around the world can generate enough ratings under skilled journalism.

    And most of us don't even think about 9/11 any more. .

    Who are "most of us"?

    Propaganda from whom? The scheduler of TV3?

    CIA manipulating the RTE Guide next?


  • #171
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    foxinsox wrote: »
    I spoke to God for the first time in about ten years, the last time I spoke to him was September 11 2001

    Whether he exists or not is another matter, but tonight I felt the need to speak to him.

    Surely you realise that one of the world's biggest cults which follow your god caused 9/11?


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  • #172
    af_thefragile
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,171 ✭✭✭af_thefragile


    Caoimhín wrote: »
    Who are "most of us"?

    Propaganda from whom? The scheduler of TV3?

    CIA manipulating the RTE Guide next?

    No, 9/11 does make good ratings that is no doubt.

    But are news channels just an extension of the entertainment industry fixed on making money by giving us something we might like to see some evening when we've got nothing else to do.

    Or does media have a responsibility to make people aware of what's happening in the world?

    The way 9/11 is projected is always in this awfully tragic way. Why don't we get to see documentaries on Palestine and Africa on tv where people are constantly dying at this very moment which is a lot more tragic than what happened on 9/11.

    I'm forced to agree the media is greatly biased towards the American view of things.


  • #173
    foxinsox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,080 ✭✭✭foxinsox


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Surely you realise that one of the world's biggest cults which follow your god caused 9/11?

    Surely you realise that this is the internet?

    I don't know who you are and you don't know who I am so please don't presume to know who my god is!:D


  • #174
    Caoimhín
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,789 ✭✭✭Caoimhín


    af_thefragile wrote: »
    No, 9/11 does make good ratings that is no doubt.
    But are news channels just an extension of the entertainment industry fixed on making money by giving us something we might like to see some evening when we've got nothing else to do.
    .

    Alas that is exactly what they are.


  • #175
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    foxinsox wrote: »
    Surely you realise that this is the internet?

    I don't know who you are and you don't know who I am so please don't presume to know who my god is!:D

    The god of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, the only significant monotheistic god in Earth's religions, and certainly the only one referred to as 'God' by people in Ireland.

    So I'm pretty sure I know who you're referring to.


  • #176
    foxinsox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,080 ✭✭✭foxinsox


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The god of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, the only significant monotheistic god in Earth's religions, and certainly the only one referred to as 'God' by people in Ireland.

    So I'm pretty sure I know who you're referring to.

    I have not stated anywhere that I am a member of any religion or that I am Irish.

    So once again I ask you not to make presumptions about me personally.


  • #177
    thebigbiffo
    Registered Users Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    My name is URL wrote: »
    The ones about it been an inside job and carried out by Americans are ludicrous and would require hundreds of people to know about it and keep the secret. But really only a few people would have to keep quiet about it if it was a case where they knew something was gonna happen on the day but decided not to act on intelligence. These sort of things don't need to be as vastly orchestrated as some people claim

    i posted along these lines earlier. if i was to back any 'theory', this is it - and you know something...it's this type of 'conspiracy' that would be extremely hard to prove - making it again the most viable option for anyone within the power structure.

    act 1, scene 1. oval office june 2001:

    bush: you tenet my buddy. ya know how we need to get that gas pipeline through afghanistan and the taliban are f'uckin things up, and saddam is still not playing ball with the west even though he's sittin on a s'hitload of black gold

    george tenet: yes george *yawns*

    bush: well, i was thinking. how about like a false-flag like operation thingamajig where we pretend THEY attacked US so we can convince joe public to back a couple a wars? i read about it in 'warfare for idiots'...that guy bin laden's in afghanistan and once we're in there, iraqiland'll be a piece of cake!

    tenet: well, sir, the thing is too many people would have to know about that. massive operation and such, too many people to let it out in future.

    bush: gosh darn it all to hell - i promised daddy!

    tenet: well sir, the rather small specialist operations team we have working on core intelligence reckons they've picked up a bleep or two from what looks suspiciously like some sleeper cells working from here in the states.

    bush: why are they asleep?

    tenet: ...

    bush: please, go on...

    tenet: well, they've been becoming very active of late and our guys reckon they could be planning something major. we know they've been trained in afghanistan and are in contact with bin laden so if they attack, we've got our in...

    bush: what do i gots to do?

    tenet: nothing. i'll pull these guys away from this thing. there could be a large loss of civilan life?

    bush: pearl bay was a big loss...but got us in the war right? damn it'll be worth it to get stuck in to the middle asia right?

    tenet: *sighs* yes. yes that's correct..


  • #178
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,257 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    foxinsox wrote: »
    I have not stated anywhere that I am a member of any religion or that I am Irish.

    So once again I ask you not to make presumptions about me personally.

    You come to Boards and start a thread saying "I Spoke to God!" and then give out to people for presuming they know which God you spoke to, and for presuming you're a member of a religion?

    You best not be trollin'!


  • #179
    foxinsox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,080 ✭✭✭foxinsox


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    You come to Boards and start a thread saying "I Spoke to God!" and then give out to people for presuming they know which God you spoke to, and for presuming you're a member of a religion?

    You best not be trollin'!

    I did start a thread about that, but I noticed that not one reader quoted the fact where I said my thoughts were with the victims and their families, nor did anyone quote were I said RIP to the nearly 3,000 people that died.

    I did not at any point say that any other disasters or deaths are insignificant. My post was about the 9/11 show I was watching.

    I spoke about my personal feelings about 9/11 and how I felt about the show. Most posters then proceeded to get ridiculous about my post and here we are pages later.

    It has descended into pedantic arguments about religion and conspiracy theories.

    I am not trolling.

    I spoke out loud to a "god" meaning how on earth could such a horrific event be happening in the world. While I watched that program it brought all those feelings back to me.

    I have stated my opinion in many posts here and then watched while they get picked to pieces. It is my opinion only, no matter how many of you try and tell me otherwise, it is still how I felt and anyone elses opinion of god is their opinion, I have my own.



    Anyway ....

    RIP to all who lost their lives on 9/11 and my thoughts are with their families.


  • #180
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,257 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    foxinsox wrote: »
    I spoke out loud to a "god" meaning how on earth could such a horrific event be happening in the world.

    Which God? Zeus? Apollo?


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  • #181
    Superbus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,784 ✭✭✭Superbus


    foxinsox wrote: »
    I did start a thread about that, but I noticed that not one reader quoted the fact where I said my thoughts were with the victims and their families, nor did anyone quote were I said RIP to the nearly 3,000 people that died.

    I did not at any point say that any other disasters or deaths are insignificant. My post was about the 9/11 show I was watching.

    I spoke about my personal feelings about 9/11 and how I felt about the show. Most posters then proceeded to get ridiculous about my post and here we are pages later.

    It has descended into pedantic arguments about religion and conspiracy theories.

    I am not trolling.

    I spoke out loud to a "god" meaning how on earth could such a horrific event be happening in the world. While I watched that program it brought all those feelings back to me.

    I have stated my opinion in many posts here and then watched while they get picked to pieces. It is my opinion only, no matter how many of you try and tell me otherwise, it is still how I felt and anyone elses opinion of god is their opinion, I have my own.



    Anyway ....

    RIP to all who lost their lives on 9/11 and my thoughts are with their families.

    So you're saying you aren't specifically religious, but 9/11 made you reconsider.

    What kind of discussion did you expect? Everyone in a predominantly anti-religious and highly cynical forum to agree with you and give similar stories?

    Fair enough, you express your sympathies to the families/victims, but doing that's pretty much taken for granted now imo in relation to the whole thing.


  • #182
    shinfujiwara
    Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭shinfujiwara


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Which God? Zeus? Apollo?

    Since he's probably Irish, not Greek, maybe some Celtic one? Airmed for instance...


  • #183
    Caoimhín
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,789 ✭✭✭Caoimhín


    shinfujiwara wrote: »
    Since he's probably Irish, not Greek, maybe some Celtic one? Airmed for instance...

    Charlie Haughey maybe? The god of cutehoorism.


  • #184
    Caoimhín
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,789 ✭✭✭Caoimhín


    Not to be confused with Saint Bertie Ahern, patron Saint of "sure diddin i wins it on the GG's"






    3000 and not out...


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