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The Anglers Rest - A plaice :-) for fishy tales - it was HOW big !!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭Doc Farrell


    mp22 wrote: »
    strangely enough the minute you start thinking about west cork it starts raining.O yea most if not all puddles on the roads down here are hiding big deep potholes, drive carefully.

    a tad damp, the rods stayed in the boot. :D
    could've fished some of the potholes!

    seafields, how did u get on?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,689 Mod ✭✭✭✭stevenmu


    a tad damp, the rods stayed in the boot. :D
    could've fished some of the potholes!
    You wouldn't be the first :)
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/fishing-for-his-supper-no-driven-potty-by-potholes-2123911.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    Saw that guy in the paper. Brilliant photo.

    My rod didn't see the light of day all weekend. Yesterday I had plans of fishing all day long until I saw the weather. So disappointing for a long weekend :(

    Soon hopefully. Fingers, toes and everything else crossed.

    The weather is going to be great next week which should get a bit of heat into the water.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,721 ✭✭✭Kells...


    Does anyone have an old Fly rod + reel set to sell between 30 to 60 euro for a beginner PM me :D


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 6,854 Mod ✭✭✭✭mp22


    Licence got, sorted out the necessary with the owner of my favourite pool,now where did all that rain get to!:p


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭Doc Farrell


    Well, today was a baptism for the new season, i was fishing a narrow stream and very pleased with how my casting has improved when the czech nymph got caught to a tiny piece of grass. I snapped the line so decided to walk across and get it. Instead of waders I just had on a pair of wellies and you guessed it, the mud sucked them off me and I get a wet arse. :D
    Got the wellies back but lost the little drag tensioner thingy on a plastic airflow 7/9 reel.

    And just to cap it off, at exactly 7pm, while I was pulling myself up the bank through baby stinging nettles, the trout started to rise. It's officially the beginning of summer for me.

    Going back out tomorrow to do it all over again.

    (luckily i got a pair of jeans in pennies for 8 euro today otherwise the ride home would've been nasty, while i was putting them on by the car a lady driving by beeped me. i still got the magic. i think)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    Well lads I finally got out with my new rod!

    Spent a few hours on a stockie lake on Friday in a boat. The rod casts like a dream. Am thrilled with it. Haven't really got the reel sorted yet. I was using my salt water line on it which is a match for it but i would want a better quality one.

    Anyway spent the day telling my father all he was doing wrong all day. Its funny how the roles reverse in that regard as the years go by. He spashed the water. Dropped his fly box on the floor of the boat. Dropped the oar in the water and numerous other things that are big no no's in a boat

    and...

    He got a trout of about 2lbs and I got nothing. Sometimes I do wonder!

    I didn't care though, got to try out the new rod and came back with a colour from the sun.

    One thing that i did notice is that the bottom of the lake was barren. The cold, cold winter certainly made its mark and it'll be a few weeks of sun before the bottom starts to come back to life again.

    Oh and lastly, had my first swim of the "summer" in the ocean this evening. Its was fantastic but feckin' freezin' - dont think ill see my balls for a while though :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    Right, give it a minute or two to get the fly fishing part but this is hilarious.

    Does this describe you while fly fishing?! :D Doc, does this describe your typical day?! :D



  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 4,948 ✭✭✭pullandbang


    Not quite a story but this is a friend of mine salmon fishing last Sunday on the Boyne in Trim. He didn't catch anything.......

    BD442C0B138F4F61AF7B051693D2EE13.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭Doc Farrell


    nice picture, can you tell me what camera you used and a couple of technical things about the shot, i'm trying to get into photography but the last camera i had was an east german fully manual slr. i used to print black and white shots in the old UCD building on stephens green, 20 years ago now. yikes.


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  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 4,948 ✭✭✭pullandbang


    nice picture, can you tell me what camera you used and a couple of technical things about the shot

    If you click on the photo it will bring you to pix.ie where the pic lives. In the bottom LH corner of the screen you'll see a blue link "More Properties".
    Click that to read the exif data - shutter speed, f stop, camera etc.
    The lens is a 70-200 L f4 :)


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 6,854 Mod ✭✭✭✭mp22


    Just back from my favourite salmon pool where the only life to be seen was a large otter,he seemed to be well fed:eek:,and was enjoying a fishy snack.
    Strangely enough I did not even get a bite:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,361 ✭✭✭Itsdacraic


    I've gotten out twice this year. The first night I had to stop fishing my favourite pool because there seemed to be a heap of brown trout sprats feeding there and I didn't want to keep hooking them. One of them was putting on a spectacular show of jumping, getting to at least 4 and 5 feet out of the water! The 2nd night was quiet, I had a few goes at what seemed to be a decent trout but didn't manage to hook him.

    Things should pick up in the few weeks though as the temperature rises.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭Doc Farrell


    hehehe!

    i was out sailing in a 45ft wooden schooner in Roaring Water Bay (BRAG!) and whilst i was happily steering the three masted beauty the captain was towing a fishing line off the back which caught a 16" pollock that must have been 6-8 pounds. Then he fished some mackeral feathers and caught a lonesome mackeral.

    I stayed on Sherkin Island in a place called Horseshoe Cottage, named after the shape of the bay below where Joe keeps his boat.

    The entire island is just stunning, I believe the President was there recently and before she turned up they removed 2 dozen old bangers out of the way!

    There are a half dozen empty beaches to fish from or camp on and two pubs, one of which, the Jolly Roger, is a great place. A piano tuner was over for the night and he played everything from classical to boogie woogie.

    The ferry costs a tenner for a return trip so if you have a tent do yourself a favour and get over there. Just bring your own food and empty bottles for water. There's a tap on the pier.

    I had a beach to myself and stayed there till the sun went down. Then I finally got to use an iphone app i have which tells me the name and history of whatever star i line it up with it. One of the best decisions of my days was to just pay the place a visit on a whim.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    There was a good show on RTE one on Tuesday night if anyone missed it.

    They had footage of sea-trout spawning on the Currane system in Waterville and footage of remedial works on the grand canal system and the care of coarse fish in the process.

    Apart from the very annoying host, its a good watch. I'd say you can still catch it on RTE player - "Living the Wildlife" :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 525 ✭✭✭Tinytony


    Just back from a nice evening on the river. Caught of 5 or 6 small wild brown trout and one salmon parr! Was talking to another man down there and he said the river is full of them which can only be a good thing as it's been closed for salmon fishing for years. Would be great if they finally made a come back to the river on a decent scale.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    Went out last night to a popular rock mark in the lashing rain...I did this because it was lashing rain so hoped no one else would be around! And I was right :)

    Got myself some mackerel for herself who loves them.

    However the one thing I noticed all over the rocks was the amount of rubbish, especially empty beer cans and even an empty bottle of vodka...who the hells drinks a bottle o' vodka while fishing? How dangerous is that like!

    There's inevitably going to be drownings this summer. The rocks are dangerous enough places to be fishing without having a load of drink on board as well. :mad:

    Heatwave coming next week by all accounts so the waters should start to heat up nicely and no matter what your persuasion whilst having your rod in your hand (;)) all anglers should benefit! Start making the excuses to the misses now lads cuz we should have great fishing in the next few weeks. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭ironbluedun


    SeaFields wrote: »

    ...who the hells drinks a bottle o' vodka while fishing? How dangerous is that like!

    a polish or latvian alco...maybe....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    a polish or latvian alco...maybe....

    I had my suspicions but didn't want to cast dispersions for fear of being accused of inciting foreigner bashing.

    Considering the amount of lads from that area of the world which are regularly being swept of rocks here I hope that alcohol is not playing a part. If it is then there is a need to start educating them by way of multilingual signs or TV ads warning if the dangers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,721 ✭✭✭Kells...


    Well sometimes they deserve it


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 3,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭coolwings


    Well sometimes they deserve it

    Are you serious? :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,361 ✭✭✭Itsdacraic


    Local river is gone almost unfishably low now in most places. Badly need a drop of rain!

    Although that said, the current low levels have allowed me to access a previously inaccessible run of water from which I caught an 11" and a 13" brown trout the other day (returned). I have a feeling this may be the deepest hole in that stretch of water and the fact it is usually unfishable means there could be plenty of a decent trout in there. Don't think I'll be telling anyone about it just yet :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    Seatrout are just starting to show up in my local river. Saw some lovely fish after a covert operation and a set of polaroids. Hopefully there'll be more to follow.

    I have worked the last 7 days straight between job and DIY and was planning on spending today fishing. The air is warm and there's a slight breeze. Was going to get a boat on a stockie lake and drift around for the day and hopefully get a few fish for the freezer.

    Horror of all horrors Im after getting tendonistus in me casting arm. There's deep heat, ice, painkillers and pressure bandages being lashed on so i might get a cast in tomorrow .... depressing :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,920 ✭✭✭Dusty87


    SeaFields wrote: »
    Went out last night to a popular rock mark in the lashing rain...I did this because it was lashing rain so hoped no one else would be around! And I was right :)

    Got myself some mackerel for herself who loves them.

    However the one thing I noticed all over the rocks was the amount of rubbish, especially empty beer cans and even an empty bottle of vodka...who the hells drinks a bottle o' vodka while fishing? How dangerous is that like!

    There's inevitably going to be drownings this summer. The rocks are dangerous enough places to be fishing without having a load of drink on board as well. :mad:

    Heatwave coming next week by all accounts so the waters should start to heat up nicely and no matter what your persuasion whilst having your rod in your hand (;)) all anglers should benefit! Start making the excuses to the misses now lads cuz we should have great fishing in the next few weeks. :D

    Howth??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    Dusty87 wrote: »
    Howth??

    Nope, it was in Kerry but I imagine there are plenty of spots around the country in the same situation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,721 ✭✭✭Kells...


    coolwings wrote: »
    Are you serious? :eek:

    I mean that if they are drinking where its wet and slippy they deserve it:mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭Auldloon


    Here is a method I have been using to great success on my local river. Its in NE Scotland but I doubt that matters. Its what they call a freestone river which means a gravel bed. Fast and flowing through top quality farming land, so very fertile and nutrient rich. A well known trout river and plenty of very good fish for those who knows how to catch them.

    Walk the river looking for rising fish, in my experience you will find the big fellas in the most unlikely places.
    I only cast when I know its a big fish and 99 times out of 100 they will take the fly with confidence. Casting to every rise and covering the water will put the bigger fish off and you will never see them.

    Fishing upstream at all times wait until you see a big one. Watch its rise pattern(they will often move quiet a bit between rises) and then cast to a few feet behind where you think it is. Be aware that in deep or fast water the rise may often appear a few feet behind where the fish actually is. Extend your cast a foot or so at a time, don't disturb the water and if the fish stops rising stop casting and wait until it resumes. They normally rise again after 5 or 10 mins.

    I use this method all season round for fishing drys and since I started my catch rates of big fish has gone through the roof.:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,721 ✭✭✭Kells...


    One of my m8s was over in england and he was fly fishing for trout but he got a barbel how


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    Rain....at last some rain. MT Cranium over in the weather forum is forecasting nearly an inch on Monday. Hopefully it'll help the fishing. A lot of fish out in the estuaries waiting for a drop of water to start running.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭ironbluedun


    SeaFields wrote: »
    Rain....at last some rain. MT Cranium over in the weather forum is forecasting nearly an inch on Monday. Hopefully it'll help the fishing. A lot of fish out in the estuaries waiting for a drop of water to start running.

    i wish the rain would hurry up.................i am driven demented with all this dry weather.............:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    i wish the rain would hurry up.................i am driven demented with all this dry weather.............:pac:

    I just checked my weather station that Santa brought me at Christmas....we got nearly 20mm of rain last night. I'm off out for a salmon/ seatrout this morning. Hopefully there was enough rain to make an impact on the height of the river.

    EDIT - got 15 to 20 brownies and three seatrout. Also rose a grilse but never connected. Great fishing!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    Dusty87 wrote: »
    Howth??


    Howth's a bloody disgrace..balscadden is no better..hoards of scumbags and FN using the place as an open-air drinking venue and leaving all thier cans and bottles behind them...added to that the roaring and shouting that goes on its anything but a relaxing place to fish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    I brought my youngest brother out yesterday to teach him a bit of casting and try and get his first trout on the fly.

    An hour into the lesson he connected with his first fly caught trout of about a pound. Happy days :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 477 ✭✭davidk11811


    SeaFields wrote: »
    I brought my youngest brother out yesterday to teach him a bit of casting and try and get his first trout on the fly.

    An hour into the lesson he connected with his first fly caught trout of about a pound. Happy days :)
    I wish you were my brother! :D
    I went fly fishing in Lough Rowan today, guess what feckin' happens to me! Me F**CKING rod snaps. Yes I'll post a pic tomorrow but I had to duct tape it together. God I hate fly fishing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15 jake99


    any body no of any good fishing spots in dublin or out far not 2 far and were i can camp as well .thanks looking for some budy,s 2 talk 2 on this site jake99:confused::rolleyes:.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭decdon


    I wish you were my brother! :D
    I went fly fishing in Lough Rowan today, guess what feckin' happens to me! Me F**CKING rod snaps. Yes I'll post a pic tomorrow but I had to duct tape it together. God I hate fly fishing.
    Sorry to hear your missfortune,..... I broke 2 flyrods early in the season..:( !! not too disapointed tho, coz they were oul cheap ones. Gave me a good excuse to up grade.... not one bit sorry, my quality and persistance in casting has improved so much.
    Stick with it as it's worth it in the end when it all comes togeather....:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 477 ✭✭davidk11811


    Ok look, how long does it take to get to the level of able to catch fish often, as in a fish every time you go or every two times. It's been a month since I decided to learn to fly fish and I haven't even rose a fish. All I've done with my rod is break it!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,689 Mod ✭✭✭✭stevenmu


    It can depend on a number of things really. The most important would be how you are learning, and where and when you are fishing.

    I taught myself last year, it took maybe a month of regular fishing to catch my first, then they started coming more and more regular, and after maybe 3 months I could go out expecting to at least catch something. In saying that I put in a lot of research, I read a lot on the forum here and on flyforums.co.uk for general knowledge and technique, and sexyloops.com to improve casting. I'd done a bit of fishing before trying fly fishing so I had a little bit of general fishy knowledge to start with too.

    Of course it often comes down to the fish themselves, sometimes they're just not there and other times they've no interest in being caught. There's never any way to guarantee going out that you will catch something.

    I know it's frustrating starting out, especially because you're not even sure if you're doing the right things or not (getting 1 or 2 proper lessons could help with that). But definitely keep at it, the feeling of catching your first fish on the fly is unforgettable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭ironbluedun


    I wish you were my brother! :D
    I went fly fishing in Lough Rowan today, guess what feckin' happens to me! Me F**CKING rod snaps. Yes I'll post a pic tomorrow but I had to duct tape it together. God I hate fly fishing.

    david you HAVE to take it one step at a time fly fishing is a broad diverse sport and it cant be mastered in a month! some lessons will help your casting technique, after that its down to experience knowing what to do and when to do it....where do you fish? better for someone starting off to try some of the stocked commercial fisheries....


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 3,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭coolwings


    On wild waters - I guess the average angler has an average result of zero, or maybe 1 fish every 2-3 sessions.
    David, about 25 years ago we were running pike competitions from Dublin, and we went through the results for several years. It is not an old wives tale, it is true, 90% of the fish are caught by 10% of the anglers, and that was in a club situation where there were no absolute beginners, or if they were they were not beginners for long.
    I measure how I did on a session by adding the results of everybody else together and seeing did I beat that. That could be size or numbers but rarely both. Tough targets are what makes us better.
    So results can vary a lot between anglers.
    IF you want to progress fast, and it comes across that you do, then you have to "live fishing". Read a lot - everything in the library.
    The problem is everything is matter of degree, how hot or clear or low the water, how big or small the size of fly, how fast to strike and so on. And making the little adjustments can do your head in.

    But believe me on this, confidence is more important than you believe possible.
    I will start a thread to demonstrate just how much confidence matters. (Peter Ross fly pattern thread) Watch the replies as they come in and conflict with each other in everything except confidence. Then try to accept that the wrong fly fished with confidence and care will almost always outfish the right fly fished with no confidence by the same angler, or angler of the same ability. The biggest variable is us, 2nd biggest the water, third the season, 4th the time, the trout comes next, and your tackle matters after that!

    Study the water, ideas will dawn on you incrementally while you fish and watch, and see the trout's food items come and go.

    And hitch your wagon to a friendly experienced angler who is happy to walk the banks with you and chat between fish, or over a pint.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭ironbluedun


    coolwings wrote: »

    But believe me on this, confidence is more important than you believe possible.


    have to agree… if I do not have full confidence in all aspects then success is far less likely....you must have confidence in all aspects involved including the fly you are using, techniques deployed, the equipment you are using, your ability, the location you are fishing etc etc, you must be confidant in everything you are doing.....confidence is gained from success, that is only achieved with experience and knowledge… both take learning and learning takes time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 477 ✭✭davidk11811


    Okay, yesterday when I went to the lake I was hugely confident. I was convinced I woukd catch something and hadn't thought for a second I wouldn't. Yet all the happen is my ****ing rod breaks! I can't help but get the feeling that I'm not cut out for fly fishing. I think I'll stick to spinning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭ironbluedun


    I think I'll stick to spinning.

    fair enough so.........whatever makes you happy


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 477 ✭✭davidk11811


    fair enough so.........whatever makes you happy
    You make me feel so bad for giving up now! :D


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 3,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭coolwings


    I wouldn't be without both.
    It is in our nature to get tunnel vision, and follow a specialty, but as a hunter we need to override these natural weaknesses and be variable according to conditions and our prey.
    Being a large fish hunter at heart I kinow I fly fish too much for my own good, (and too little for those purists who only fly fish!). I am ready to spin for large piscivorous trout, perch, and pike, and know fly is a less effective way to angle for those particular predators.
    But the fly rod approach is an extremely enjoyable way to angle and catch fish. The fly gear calls out to me when selecting gear for a trip, as it were.

    What was the rod that broke? Would there be a sales backup or warranty? Most tackle shops, even where there is no warranty, "look after you" on a necessary replacement by giving a favourable price on one if that happens.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 477 ✭✭davidk11811


    I found the rod at home, which is the reason why I decided to try fly fishing.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 3,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭coolwings


    The die hards will have a heart attack at what I am about to say, but ...
    a fly rod casts an aerialised weight (the line) and a spinning rod casts a compact weight which is nearer the rod (hanging on 3' of line).
    Here is the point, the rod blanks are interchangeable! Only the rings and handle are different in styling. So, provided you have a spinning rod that is designed to cast the same weight as what the aerialised fly line weighs - that spinning rod can cast a fly line perfectly well too!

    What does a fly line weigh?
    According to the AFTM scale:
    AFTM # grams ounces
    5 - 9.07 - 0.32
    6 - 10.42 - 0.366
    7 - 11.99 - 0.422
    8 - 13.61 - 0.48
    9 - 15.55 - 0.55
    10 - 18.14 - 0.64
    Now the AFTM weighs only the first 30 feet or 10 yards of line, so if you cast 75 feet or 25 yards the you have 2.5 times the length of heavy flyline, and 2.5 times the weight above to cast.

    So lets assume a 25 yard cast. Let's work out what is the true casting weight of the fly line, if it is to be compared with a spinner or lead weight?
    Concentrating on the common sizes :
    AFTM # grams ounces
    5 - 23g - 0.8
    6 - 26g - 0.9
    7 - 30g - 1.0
    8 - 34g - 1.2
    9 - 39g - 1.4
    10 - 45g - 1.6
    So if a spinning rod is rated for those weights, it will cast both a lead weight and a flyline of the same weight. the rod does not know the difference. The long handle takes some getting used to, but salmon anglers use double handed fly rods all the time.

    Maybe you already have what you need ....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 477 ✭✭davidk11811


    That's interesting, but I just duct-taped it back together and its quite stable. Would it hold a fish though...


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,689 Mod ✭✭✭✭stevenmu


    Only one way to find out :)


    That's interesting about using a spinning rod, never occurred to me, but it makes sense thinking about it. I'd imagine the characteristics wouldn't be perfectly ideal, but it's very rare a fish will examine your rod in detail before letting you catch it.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 3,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭coolwings


    stevenmu wrote: »
    .... but it's very rare a fish will examine your rod in detail before letting you catch it.
    :)


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