Reasons to get movies off the net

the_syco · 22-05-2005 4:30pm #1

Hi,
I don't condone piracy, as its bad, mmmmmm... kaaaaaay?

But...

Reason's for the "home experience"

No bitchs on the fricken mobile phone: not see the "turn off you mobile" message?

No kids. Its an 18's movie. Lots of big bangs, and sex. Who the **** brings their kid?

Reason's against the "home experience"

You wait 10 days to get the newest Matrix movie, and its... in Spanish:rolleyes:

Quality... can be good, but it can be 320*240 resolution... not good on your 40 something inch widescreen TV.

=-=

Got these of sites, but add your own on. And complaining about piracy is going off-topic. SO don't do it. Short, for, or against, snippits, only.

Karl Hungus · 22-05-2005 4:35pm

I prefer DVD to both methods myself, a great third option really, and buying off the net is superior to rip off stores like HMV or the like. Best of both worlds really, except a longer wait, but on the flipside, DVDs are available for a lot longer than the limited release of a film in the cinema, and certainly easier to find than film available to download.

nadir · 23-05-2005 4:10pm

there is great availability of asian movies on bit torrent, stuff that can be very hard to get anywhere. I always try to buy the stuff I really like, but there is no way in hell I could afford every movie I watch.

ObeyGiant · 23-05-2005 6:30pm

Watching movies from the internet is effectually the same thing as watching them in a cinema through a pair of binoculars held the wrong way round. With vaseline smeared on the lens.

You can get the gist of the movie from this, but damn if it isn't next to pointless.

Or maybe my standards are just too high.

Guy:Incognito · 23-05-2005 6:42pm

ObeyGiant wrote:

Watching movies from the internet is effectually the same thing as watching them in a cinema through a pair of binoculars held the wrong way round. With vaseline smeared on the lens.

You can get the gist of the movie from this, but damn if it isn't next to pointless.

Or maybe my standards are just too high.

Or its like watching a video on a normal tv.

ObeyGiant · 23-05-2005 6:44pm

A what?

RobertFoster · 23-05-2005 7:04pm

ObeyGiant wrote:

A what?

TV; Video.

ObeyGiant wrote:

Watching movies from the internet is effectually the same thing as watching them in a cinema through a pair of binoculars held the wrong way round. With vaseline smeared on the lens.

Sounds kinky.

Depends on the source tbh. If it's a CAM or telecine, then of course it's not going to be up to your standards. Though, if it's a DVD-Rip All you're missing is the extras.

Basq · 23-05-2005 7:06pm

RobertFoster wrote:

Depends on the source tbh. If it's a CAM or telecine, then of course it's not going to be up to your standards. Though, if it's a DVD-Rip All you're missing is the extras.

Telecine's are typically pretty good.. it's telesync's you wanna beware of!

Fysh · 23-05-2005 7:08pm

I think he was talking about them old-timer technologies, from way back when the soundtrack was on a gramophone that you had to hand-crank so you could get sound.

Reasons for :

Nice to have a usable "try before you buy" option, given that most trailers are misleading and pretty rubbish. I've said it before and I repeat : on the rare occasion I download something, if it's any good I'll happily pay to see it, be it on DVD or in the cinema. But I object to the idea that I should pay extortionate cinema rates to find out that, actually, the reviewers who watched it were idiots and the film is a load of crap.

Wider availability not subject to the market constraints of either under-resourced distributors or just plain greedy distributors unwilling to produce enough prints to satisfy the international market.

Cheaper

No crappy "mandatory" intro screens with irritating messages from those knobends in FACT (what gets me is that, if I've paid for the DVD, I shouldn't be accused of being a potential criminal just for having it. If, according to the MPAA and RIAA's statement, the public is now aware that piracy is not acceptable, why do the feckers still stick those irritating ads in the opening sequences?)

Reasons against :

shoddy quality and higher requirements on your home system. (Ie for DVD a reasonable tv and dvd player are enough; for divx or whatever to be enjoyed reasonably you need decent pc with a decent graphics card to output onto your decent tv, and even then it relies on having obtained a decent copy of the film over a decent broadband connection).

In the case of non-mainstream/blockbuster films - the financial impact of piracy can seriously harm both the director and the distributor's ability to continue operating.

Chalk · 23-05-2005 7:11pm

wary of telesyncs

good one...

Basq · 23-05-2005 7:18pm

Chalk wrote:

wary of telesyncs
good one...

Chalk.. i was merely stating that TC's are typically better quality than TS's. Let's not even bother with CAM's!

Chalk · 23-05-2005 7:25pm

it all depends.
many tc's are made with sh!t machines and end up looking crap.

check out a recent big movie that has a workprint and a tc release for an example...

Basq · 23-05-2005 7:29pm

Chalk wrote:

it all depends.
many tc's are made with sh!t machines and end up looking crap.

check out a recent big movie that has a workprint and a tc release for an example...

Yeah.. the telecine for this big movie you refer to is pretty damn good, in my opinion! Whereas the workprint is horrible and dark (and don't get me started on the timer)!

Generally, telecine's tend to be better quality as they're digitally ripped as compared to recording from sitting round a dark cinema with a high quality camera.

Anyways.. i'm getting off this topic now cos don't think it's too Film Board friendly.

Chalk · 23-05-2005 7:35pm

most tc's on the net are anolog ripped using the reel of the film and an old tc machine.

i was referring to this particular movie and the picture in the tc being unwatchably dark a lot of the time.

Makaveli · 23-05-2005 8:19pm

Reasons for:
Cuts out the massive wait time in between the American release and our release, which can be a joke. Garden State anyone?

Against:
Look crap a lot of the time. Sound is often muck too.

byte · 23-05-2005 11:10pm

How long before movie makers etc go the same route as record companies and offer legitimate movie downloads?

RobertFoster · 23-05-2005 11:45pm

byte wrote:

How long before movie makers etc go the same route as record companies and offer legitimate movie downloads?

There were talks about Sony doing that a while back, though I've not seen anything since...

I would consider it if the films were <$5, excellent quality, no ads, and released on or just after box office.

ObeyGiant · 24-05-2005 11:25am

Fysh wrote:

No crappy "mandatory" intro screens with irritating messages from those knobends in FACT (what gets me is that, if I've paid for the DVD, I shouldn't be accused of being a potential criminal just for having it. If, according to the MPAA and RIAA's statement, the public is now aware that piracy is not acceptable, why do the feckers still stick those irritating ads in the opening sequences?)

If this was any other thread, maybe you'd have a point.

But since this is a thread about the merits of piracy, maybe we should let them keep their warnings. At least until the message has sunk in.

ObeyGiant · 24-05-2005 11:30am

RobertFoster wrote:

There were talks about Sony doing that a while back, though I've not seen anything since...

Stephen Soderbergh and Mark Cuban are releasing their new film in the cinema, on DVD and on pay-per-view on the same day, and letting the audiences decide which way they want to see the movie. Since movie studios are now trying to rush the DVD release of their movies (because that's where they make the real money), I'm guessing this is more the more likely way that things are going to go.

This has the added bonus of tackling the 'recreational' pirates, who say they're only downloading films because they want to watch it at home and they're sick of waiting for the DVD or whatever. It probably won't kill them off, but it'll at least force them to put their money where their mouth is.

Fysh · 24-05-2005 1:47pm

ObeyGiant - I see your point, but most of the pirate rips we're talking about here aren't dvd rips, they're screeners, cams or other cinema rips. Hence my mentioning it as pertaining specifically to DVDs.

(Sorry, in case that wasn't clear - I don't have any more a problem with FACT-type ads in the cinema than I do ratings screens. But on a product for home use that cannot be easily ripped without specialist software and a fairly high-spec computer in any case, I don't see the benefits of the mandatory screen that you have to watch every time you watch the DVD).

Cake Fiend · 24-05-2005 3:13pm

Fysh wrote:

cannot be easily ripped without specialist software and a fairly high-spec computer

Ha - all you need is a basic PC with a DVD drive, and a copy of DVDShrink or Gordian Knot, EasyDivx, etc (free). Nothing fancy required. But I do agree with you, especially as anyone who's going to put an ounce of effort into ripping a DVD is going to remove these warning screens anyway!

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