Re: PS Vita... Is it trolling if...

chin_grin · 17-02-2012 11:04am

Got a few chuckles out of this article. (Sorry about the length).

http://www.destructoid.com/ten-whining-playstation-vita-nitpicks-221857.phtml

We recently reviewed the PlayStation Vita and had quite a few positive words to say about it. All things considered, the Vita is a great handheld gaming device that hopefully does very well and gets the software support it deserves. Still, nothing's ever perfect, is it?

After spending even more time with the Vita, Dale North and myself have been able to isolate a number of problems that are too small to ruin our lives, but provide enough minor irritation to at least be worth bringing up. We've selected ten nitpicky little niggles that we'd love to see rectified in the future.

USB Charging is a Hassle:

The PlayStation Vita can be charged by connecting it to a USB port on a computer or other electronic device, but it's not very convenient. Firstly, you have to manually set your Vita to accept a charge on an electronic device, rather than having it just work like USB devices are supposed to.

Not only that, the Vita cannot charge via a USB device while remaining switched on. You cannot charge it while playing a game (slightly understandable), but you can't even get any juice when it's in standby mode. As someone who likes to hook his devices up to a computer and intermittently check up on them, it's a bit annoying to not have it charge while remaining in standby. Instead, it needs to be powered completely down before it'll regain any battery life, which defeats the object of hooking it up to a computer in the first place. I gave up and just started using wall sockets, which I don't want to do.

So, you can charge via a USB port, but there's not much point. So ... what's the point?

Lengthy Boot Time and Standby Recovery

If there's one thing a Sony device loves to do, it's make users wait around. The Vita is no exception, taking its sweet time to switch on after being powered down. Not only that, but reactivating the system after placing it in standby mode takes far longer than it should.

When you press the home button to recover the system, there's an irritating delay between your interaction and the system's response. It's not exactly an eon of waiting, but it's just long enough to make you wonder whether or not you pressed the button. This is definitely a massive deal!

Double Tapping Apps

Whenever opening an app, you have to first click on its bubble icon to open up a specially designed splash page. You then have to click "Start" on that page to actually access the software. I don't quite mind that for games, where there are useful links to the manual and extra content, but why do I need to click through two screens just to access the Vita's settings page, or the PlayStation Store?

It's yet another example of Sony's tendency to introduce minor little inconveniences with absolutely no justifiable cause. The only reason you have to double tap is because Sony didn't implement a way for the Vita to differentiate from a game and another piece of software. After all, why should Sony put a little extra time in when it can just waste the consumer's?

Connections and Notifications

The Vita loves to spam its user with constant messages. Every time you put a new game in, you have to sit through a "please wait" pop-up and watch the icon bounce up and down annoyingly. Various games disable the network capabilities of the Vita during gameplay, and warn the player every single time it happens. As if that wasn't enough, the Wi-Fi Vita adds an extra annoyance by needing to manually connect every time it opens an app with online features.

Not being a technical expert, I don't know how necessary any of these notifications are, but I've decided none of them are required because they get on my nerves. So, get rid of them. All of them. Forever.

New Apps Installing in Dumb Places

You can fit ten apps on a single PS Vita home screen, and you can use multiple screens. I currently set up my system to have functional apps on the first page, games on the second page, and crap I don't want to touch on the third page. On any other mobile device, a new app would fill the first open slot available on the system. On the Vita, every game I install currently opens up on its own new page, even though the first two pages have open spaces.

This makes for a bit of extra fuss when personalizing the page, constantly having to shift apps from one page to another to get them where I need. All those empty spaces, and the Vita keeps ignoring them because it insists on doing silly things.

Lack of Multitasking

I'm definitely not among those silly critics who bash the Vita for not being a smartphone, but come on. If you're going to have a system with multiple features, it's a little embarrassing to not allow multitasking. I should be able to pause a game and go on to check some emails without having my game shut down. I should be able to do that, but I can't.

The bloody thing has a 3G-enabled SKU to appeal to the iPhone market, but it can't even let users check their Twitter in between game levels. That just seems self-defeating to me. Users are easily distracted and want to do more than one thing at once. The Vita doesn't cater to modern demands in that regard.

The ****tiest Browser In The World

The PS Vita web browser is one of the worst I've ever used. I'd take Netscape Navigator over that crap any day of the week. Dale didn't seem to think it was quite so bad, but I absolutely despise the thing. I don't know how it got so difficult to do something that other machines got right years ago. Hell, even the PSP has a better browser.

Slow, unresponsive, laggy, and unable to make even the most basic sites look right and function properly, the Vita's browser makes the Internet a sad and frightening place. I couldn't get the thing to open my emails correctly -- it would load up the email, but only render as far as the subject line before freezing.

Rambo thinks he had it bad in Vietnam, but he didn't have to use the PS Vita's web browser.

That ****ing Music

I've barely had the PS Vita for a week and I can't get the bloody music out of my head. When you're navigating on the home screen, this depressing mall music drones on and on, never stopping, never changing, just chirping and warbling for ten million years.

It'd be nice to set your own music, but instead you'll need to go to your settings and find the mute option in Sound/Display. Your choice is cold silence, or a repetitive drone that'll have you jamming knitting needles in your ears after fifteen minutes.

What is it about game consoles that think the cool, cutting edge thing to do is use cheesy muzak? It'd be like Skrillex wearing a flowery dress on stage ... though to be honest, he'd probably look a bit more sensible.

App and Data Management

I can't say I'm impressed with the PS Vita's ability to let you manage your application data -- or rather, how it doesn't. There's no way to check up on PS Vita save game data without opening the game itself, as only PSP save data has a menu item in the settings. If I want to check whether something has data saved to the memory card or the internal memory, either I can't do it, or the option is hidden away in some infernal corner of the console.

I also don't like how certain apps have to remain on the home screen. I don't think many of us need to keep Welcome Park on display forever, and some folk might not want to deal with photos, or use music, or fiddle around with Near. These items cannot be deleted, but they also cannot be hidden away. There's no folder or sub-menu to store away those apps one isn't interested in, so they have to stay there forever. BAH!

Needless Separation of Apps

There really is no need for Trophies, friends, party chat and even Near to be stored on the Vita as separate applications. They're all social and networking features, and they should all be used together in a unified social networking app. Having to open several apps to access several related features is pretty damn stupid.

This is indicative of Sony's larger problem of being unable to provide any sense of synergy in its software. Everything is so gated and fails to gel together properly. I want to feel like the PS Vita is a fluid and unified experience, not simply a dull conduit for a bunch of unrelated applications. This "close one door to open another" approach is lame.

Lame, but no deal-breaker. In fact, nothing here is a deal-breaker. The PlayStation Vita is a fine system and I really enjoy using it, but there are still all these little gripes with the thing. That is what Sony does -- it never really has one, big, all-encompassing problem. It just has a lot of minor issues that pile on top of each other.

Still, compared to the potential of the Vita and the fun already on offer, these issues are nitpicks that many can ignore. Just be prepared for them and enjoy your expensive new toy!

sarumite · 17-02-2012 11:25am

chin_grin wrote: »

Got a few chuckles out of this article. (Sorry about the length).

http://www.destructoid.com/ten-whining-playstation-vita-nitpicks-221857.phtml

Most of their complaints seems to be software based which should (though this is sony) be resolved with a firmware update. That said stuff like no multitasking is a just a little bit sad to be honest.

Helix · 17-02-2012 1:55pm

my boot time is about 7 seconds, coming back from standby is instant and shutting down is 2 seconds... sounds like destructoid's vita is borked

ussjtrunks · 17-02-2012 2:04pm

Cant wait 4 wednesday got persona 1-3 + dissida 12 ready

, uncharted might have to wait.

Varik · 17-02-2012 2:04pm

Helix wrote: »

my boot time is about 7 seconds, coming back from standby is instant and shutting down is 2 seconds... sounds like destructoid's vita is borked

More likely, it's also written by Jim Sterling so it's bond to be wrong.

ShadowHearth · 17-02-2012 2:39pm

well after work i grabed my 100 quid voucher, 70 cash that was extra and went off to gamestop to preorder that bad arse vita!!!

so lads gave me to pla with it! everyone who said that screen is sexy - were sooooo right! its massive and so bright! looks fantastic! it feels very well in hand and controls work great.
tried uncharted, which was really nice looking, but it wasnt as nice as i was expected. it look good, but it was really damn pixelated. dunno if i liked it that much to be honest and i LOVED uncharted games on ps3. ( still need to get uncharted 3 thought )
little Deviants were just pure cool. it looked waaaaay better and was more "sleek" then uncharted. alot of fun too! i honestly prefered little deviants over uncharted ( i know i am madman )
so after all that fun and awesomeness i walked away with no preorder!!! :pac:
i am giving myself some time to think about it. i wanted it so much, but now i am having second thoughts. It is a GREAT machine, it feels like such a quality product. 3ds looks like a toy near it! ( no offence, i still love my 3ds ).
the thing that makes me to hold off: games and future games, pricing of games.
from launch titles the only game that i would look forward was little deviants, as uncharted is meh, i was newer a fan of wipeout, i am **** at fighting games etc. i dont know any near release games i would be interested in. ps1 games can be played only by remote play ( stupid, when psp could play from machine it self ). so i could play some psp games on it so from market.

anywya, i LOVE the machine, but for the first time i am trying to listen for my brain then geek in me. i bought 3DS and i barely play it, i dont want to buy vita and have it on the shelf with 3DS

. so great machine, but do i really need it

. i cant believe i managed to walkout with my voucher and no preorder... i am impressed by myself and dissapointed lol. i sitll got time!

Helix · 17-02-2012 3:04pm

i think uncharted is gorgeous - certainly wouldn't have called it pixelated at all!

ShadowHearth · 17-02-2012 3:19pm

Helix wrote: »

i think uncharted is gorgeous - certainly wouldn't have called it pixelated at all!

dunno, it looked very pixilated for me m8. like little deviants had waaaaaaaay smoother lines. it looks very solid, where uncharted looked like low resolution game on very very big screen.

i know i am make it sound worse then it actually is, it still looked impresive as hell for handheld, but it was way less then i expected. the good thing is: if they can pull of such quality with release, i can only imagine how awesome games will look a year in to its lifespan!

Otacon · 17-02-2012 3:24pm

If Uncharted were a PC game, and playing it on PS3 was like playing it on the Ultra setting, playing the Vita version is like Medium.

You still get a great looking game, but the detail is not as good. I noticed it most when looking at Nate's eyes.

It is still a stellar looking game though and is on my pre-order list.

ShadowHearth · 17-02-2012 3:26pm

Otacon wrote: »

If Uncharted were a PC game, and playing it on PS3 was like playing it on the Ultra setting, playing the Vita version is like Medium.

You still get a great looking game, but the detail is not as good. I noticed it most when looking at Nate's eyes.

It is still a stellar looking game though and is on my pre-order list.

agree. its still a good looking game, but it did not WOWed me. unfortunately for me its not a console seller

Otacon · 17-02-2012 3:33pm

ShadowHearth wrote: »

agree. its still a good looking game, but it did not WOWed me. unfortunately for me its not a console seller

While I see your point, I never understood this idea of a console seller. I cannot think of a game that qualifies. I would never buy a console just for one game or because of one game.

For me, I'm buying the Vita not just for the games that are there now, but also for the games that will be coming out a year from now. I can understand people waiting for a price drop, but waiting for a 'console seller' seems pointless to me.

Anyway, back on topic [or whatever it is right now]

Helix · 17-02-2012 3:45pm

on my way to the Canadian vita launch event now. supposed to be plenty of third party devs showing their medium range products. I'll let yis know if there's anything particularly tasty on show

ShadowHearth · 17-02-2012 3:46pm

Otacon wrote: »

While I see your point, I never understood this idea of a console seller. I cannot think of a game that qualifies. I would never buy a console just for one game or because of one game.

For me, I'm buying the Vita not just for the games that are there now, but also for the games that will be coming out a year from now. I can understand people waiting for a price drop, but waiting for a 'console seller' seems pointless to me.

Anyway, back on topic [or whatever it is right now]

well i use it as a saying now. if there would be a game i want to play now, then i would just buy it now. when those games will be on on system, then i will buy it.

i still love it, i am not bashing it, its just current game library is not pushing me to buy it. i am looking at list of psp games that are out on release date digitaly. it might make me me to buy it so, as i havent led psp in ages. i wont be able to get my good old gen1 psp now too as its with a person i cant get a hold off

.

i am bitching and moaning, but i bet i iwll be here on wensday with vita in my hands! what can i say, i am weak!

noodler · 17-02-2012 4:00pm

Even with the extra analogue stick, I don't really want to play console games on the Vita if you know what I mean.

I still haven't seen much in the way of original 'handheld' IPs for this yet.

Retr0gamer · 17-02-2012 4:15pm

Same here. I'm not interested in Uncharted after playing through 3. I have Lumines on my PSP. I'm interested in Wipeout but it seems like it's just the PS3 version or is it all new tracks?

The only game that actually looks remotely interesting is Gravity Rush.

noodler · 17-02-2012 4:35pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Same here. I'm not interested in Uncharted after playing through 3. I have Lumines on my PSP. I'm interested in Wipeout but it seems like it's just the PS3 version or is it all new tracks?

The only game that actually looks remotely interesting is Gravity Rush.

Yeah, I think FFT or Jeanne D'Arc work perfectly.

MGS PO was a pain (altho still decent) and they had to really get the lead out for Peace Walker (and they did as it is spectacular).

But charging me more than a PS3 game for a diluted home console experience (worse controls, worse visual, worse sound, less comfort) is not going to sway me if I can simply buy the better version of a game and play it on my 32'' from the couch with a decent sound system.

Sad to say I haven't played Lumines.

Helix · 17-02-2012 4:51pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Same here. I'm not interested in Uncharted after playing through 3. I have Lumines on my PSP. I'm interested in Wipeout but it seems like it's just the PS3 version or is it all new tracks?

The only game that actually looks remotely interesting is Gravity Rush.

Wipeout is new tracks, if you already own fury you'll be able to download the vita version free when it launches

ShadowHearth · 17-02-2012 5:58pm

Lads, would they drop price on psp games on launch? I would just buy some credit and go mad on psp games I missed out for now, untill ps vita stuff is out.

Though I won't pay 40eu per pop on psn store, just **** that ....

Helix · 17-02-2012 6:03pm

get an American psn account. much cheaper

ShadowHearth · 17-02-2012 6:06pm

Helix wrote: »

get an American psn account. much cheaper

I am always thinking of getting one!

So many games that are not released here

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Thought I not good with all that psn process. Then the other problem: only 1 psn account on vita

ShadowHearth · 17-02-2012 6:20pm

Hmmm just checked YouTube and it looks like psp games work very well. In some games you can activate second analog stick to control camera!!!

Looks like I am changing my mind

I missed on alot of good psp games

ShaneU · 17-02-2012 7:19pm

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Hmmm just checked YouTube and it looks like psp games work very well. In some games you can activate second analog stick to control camera!!!

Looks like I am changing my mind

I missed on alot of good psp games

You can do that in every psp game

johnny_ultimate · 17-02-2012 8:02pm

I'm just going to copy & paste my reactions from two other threads here. Frankly, it is devoid of a unique selling point. As of right now, there's nothing there except potentially Gravity Rush (whose demo barely gives you enough time to even adjust to the controls before it ends). The PSP burst into life when various Japanese developers took to it, and created countless gems, from Ys to Jeanne D'Arc. That's really what Vita needs before I'd consider purchasing. Copy & paste a-go-go.

It's a very pretty piece of hardware, and feels nice and light yet sturdy too. But it really doesn't feel like a giant leap for handheld gaming. Compare the PSP to Vita to the DS to 3DS hardware jump and the latter emerges as the clear winner as a more significant upgrade. The screen on the PSV is very nice, no doubt, but almost felt perfunctory.

I think it was probably down to the games, in fairness. Uncharted really felt like a low-grade version of its' bigger brothers. Little Deviants I lasted about two minutes before having to turn it off in frustration at the rear touchpad controls. Escape Plan looked nice but felt like a slightly poorer version of Machinarium. Gravity Crash has a lot of potential - it at least has novel central mechanics, an offbeat graphical presentation - but the demo was criminally short! Reality Fighters is basically a five minute gimmick. Super Stardust was Super Stardust! Indeed, the games that emerged favourably were the duo of Modnation Racers and Wipeout 2048, the latter particularly with some excellent graphical flourishes and sound design. But the feeling even there is that it's nothing that home consoles can't do more effectively.

TBH, it persuaded me to hold out a little longer until either more interesting software emerges or there's a price drop. Didn't see anything today to truly justify the leap, even though the hardware seems to be able to handle some things - like augmented reality and camera - better than the 3DS.

Basically, if I was offered one I'd be delighted, but wouldn't be all that pushed to spend 250 euro on one!

Oh, and yes: the loading times are ridiculously poor. I'd say a race in Wipeout takes the guts of a minute to load!

sarumite · 19-02-2012 1:10pm

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

It's a very pretty piece of hardware, and feels nice and light yet sturdy too. But it really doesn't feel like a giant leap for handheld gaming. Compare the PSP to Vita to the DS to 3DS hardware jump and the latter emerges as the clear winner as a more significant upgrade. The screen on the PSV is very nice, no doubt, but almost felt perfunctory.

Personally I think the 3ds is a badly designed bit of hardware. I love my DS, but the 3ds has no appeal. I don't care about 3d. I hated in on mario cart when i played it. I feel the Vita upgrades may actually improve the gaming experience from the PSP, however I woudln't say the same for the 3ds. I haven't seen a Vita yet so I can't comment on the screen, though I have played the 3ds extensively and really I don't see why I would want one over my DS.

ShadowHearth · 19-02-2012 1:38pm

sarumite wrote: »

Personally I think the 3ds is a badly designed bit of hardware. I love my DS, but the 3ds has no appeal. I don't care about 3d. I hated in on mario cart when i played it. I feel the Vita upgrades may actually improve the gaming experience from the PSP, however I woudln't say the same for the 3ds. I haven't seen a Vita yet so I can't comment on the screen, though I have played the 3ds extensively and really I don't see why I would want one over my DS.

i got 3ds m8, and i played with vita.

VITA screen will make you jizz in your pants m8. Its just that good. i love my 3ds, but 3Ds looks like a toy you buy from argos to your kids for 12.99eu compared to VITA.
funny enough i got 6 DS games and 1 3DS game. i barely play zelda as i dont find it fun ( waiting for fanboy army ), i have more fun with castlevania and advanced war games etc. i am not pushed to buy 45eu mario games too...

+1 on 3D thing. if i am not mistaken that 3D effect is pulling alot of its performance. So if you dont care about 3D, then you get worse looking game

. i would really love to see games on 3DS, but done purely on 2D.

johnny_ultimate · 19-02-2012 1:48pm

sarumite wrote: »

Personally I think the 3ds is a badly designed bit of hardware. I love my DS, but the 3ds has no appeal. I don't care about 3d. I hated in on mario cart when i played it. I feel the Vita upgrades may actually improve the gaming experience from the PSP, however I woudln't say the same for the 3ds. I haven't seen a Vita yet so I can't comment on the screen, though I have played the 3ds extensively and really I don't see why I would want one over my DS.

The 3DS is far from perfect. The Circle Pad Pro as a hardware 'patch' is proof of that. The main OS is oddly designed too (as it is on Vita, I should add).

Still, having only got a 3DS recently, and only really played Mario 3D Land, it is a huge step up from my DS. I say that without reservation. Sure, the software catalogue isn't very strong yet - but there was a nice flow of games just before Christmas, with more promising games - including the supposedly old-school Kid Icarus - on the way. The console itself feels sturdy. And while I'll be the first to take issue with 3D (I despise it in cinema) the use of it in 3D Land at the very least is very thoughtfully considered and dare I say ultimately beneficial to the experience. And you can always just turn it off on the games where it proves distracting.

The Vita is nice hardware, no doubt. But it really, really feels like a baby step forward. There's no shock or surprise - IMO - with using the new hardware. Even the supposedly gorgeous screen felt like a minor upgrade from the widescreen purtiness of the PSP. Uncharted is representative of its problems - trying to (poorly) emulate the big screen experience without really considering the portability factor. It just feels like a slightly upgraded PSP, whereas to me anyway the 3DS feels like a fully realised upgrade comparatively. It would have been nice if said upgrade had included dual thumbsticks like the PSV, but hey...

Both are going to stand or fall on the strength of their software, mind, and early adapters of the 3DS have only recently felt their investment to be worthwhile. The PS Vita has the potential for greatness when the greats get behind it. As is, it just feels nice but entirely unnecessary. Portable consoles are a dinosaur, and the Vita needs more than a nice enough screen to stand out in a world where the App is king.

Kinski · 19-02-2012 2:15pm

I have a friend who's a total PS nut. He bought a PSP at launch and as his gf at the time said, hardly ever played the damned thing. The other day I asked him, "So, you getting a PS Vita?" His response? "Definitely." And it'll probably be another dust-gatherer.

It seems to me that Sony still haven't learned that horsepower and stylish-design aren't the key things consumers look for in a portable console - unless they happen to be Sony fanboys.

Helix · 19-02-2012 3:19pm

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Oh, and yes: the loading times are ridiculously poor. I'd say a race in Wipeout takes the guts of a minute to load!

there's an update that addresses that somewhat. not entirely, but it goes some way towards it

Myrddin · 19-02-2012 3:27pm

Varik wrote: »

More likely, it's also written by Jim Sterling so it's bond to be wrong.

Maybe he doesn't like reading either?

sarumite · 19-02-2012 3:36pm

Kinski wrote: »

I have a friend who's a total PS nut. He bought a PSP at launch and as his gf at the time said, hardly ever played the damned thing. The other day I asked him, "So, you getting a PS Vita?" His response? "Definitely." And it'll probably be another dust-gatherer.

It seems to me that Sony still haven't learned that horsepower and stylish-design aren't the key things consumers look for in a portable console - unless they happen to be Sony fanboys.

That depends on your friends gaming. The PSP was kind of abandoned by western developers. Outside of GOW, I can't really think of many good games that came out for the PSP after launch. Personally I probably won't by a vita initially as I used my PSP/DS while travelling to and from work and now I am walking distance to my work its gets less play. I feel that the Vita could be a good alternative to a ipad for those that want a good gaming platfrom that can kind of do browsing etc as opposed an ipad which does browsing etc and kind of does gaming.

cloud493 · 19-02-2012 3:43pm

The PSP was destroyed by the dominance of the DS, and piracy. There's loads of good games on it, just that it went significantly under the radar.

sarumite · 19-02-2012 4:23pm

cloud493 wrote: »

The PSP was destroyed by the dominance of the DS, and piracy. There's loads of good games on it, just that it went significantly under the radar.

For me the great games on the PSP came from Japan. Persona, Y's and valkeryia profiles 2 were highlights. However I don't think Japanese games are for everyone. As such, people who are into their 1st/3rd person shooters etc may have bought the PSP at launch and then found that it sat gathering dust if JRPG's didn't appeal to them

On edit: For shame I forgot to mention tactics ogre: let us all cling together. Many a Dart journey spent playing that.

johnny_ultimate · 19-02-2012 4:37pm

DS was the same - it was a predominantly Japanese console despite a few Western gems.

It looks like both Sony and Nintendo are poaching a wide audience this time around. If the smaller developers latch on too, however, to create niche games on cheaper portable formats, it should all be good.

At least the Vita is region free

Kinski · 19-02-2012 4:38pm

cloud493 wrote: »

The PSP was destroyed by the dominance of the DS, and piracy. There's loads of good games on it, just that it went significantly under the radar.

It wasn't really "destroyed" though. According to Sony, they'd sold 53 million of them by the end of 2010 (aided by Monster Hunter in Japan). That's no flop.

PS Vita sales, on the other hand, have steadily declined since launch, reaching a low of 14,000 units last week.

Early days and all that, but those aren't encouraging figures.

Helix · 19-02-2012 4:46pm

Kinski wrote: »

It wasn't really "destroyed" though. According to Sony, they'd sold 53 million of them by the end of 2010 (aided by Monster Hunter in Japan). That's no flop.

PS Vita sales, on the other hand, have steadily declined since launch, reaching a low of 14,000 units last week.

Early days and all that, but those aren't encouraging figures.

the psp, in the last few years, saw 0.5% of owners buying the biggest games available on the system, mainly due to piracy according to playstation. that's an absolutely hideous number, given that in the earlier days it was 15-25%, depending on the title.

the hardware wasn't a flop, but from a software dev point of view, it definitely was.

im never quite sure why people obsess about japanese sales figures to be honest, it's not that big a territory in terms of numbers. it's absolutely dwarfed by europe and the states in sales for the most part, and now its a country still suffering the economic backlash of the tsunami last year

it's simply not that important a market - ask microsoft

johnny_ultimate · 19-02-2012 4:47pm

Are there any major Vita titles to look forward to? Persona 4: The Golden, maybe, but that's just a port. I did hear something about a Ys title, if I recall correctly...

Myrddin · 19-02-2012 4:58pm

Helix wrote: »

the psp, in the last few years, saw 0.5% of owners buying the biggest games available on the system, mainly due to piracy according to playstation.

Easy to blame piracy, but I'd argue piracy is more predominant on the DS. Those flash cards with 100+ games on them are being sold all over the place.

Kinski · 19-02-2012 4:59pm

Helix wrote: »

the psp, in the last few years, saw 0.5% of owners buying the biggest games available on the system, mainly due to piracy according to playstation. that's an absolutely hideous number, given that in the earlier days it was 15-25%, depending on the title.

the hardware wasn't a flop, but from a software dev point of view, it definitely was.

I knew piracy was a problem, but I didn't think it was that bad! But they still manufacture and sell the console, so it's not been a complete disaster as a format.

im never quite sure why people obsess about japanese sales figures to be honest, it's not that big a territory in terms of numbers. it's absolutely dwarfed by europe and the states in sales for the most part, and now its a country still suffering the economic backlash of the tsunami last year

I'm not obsessing over them - they're really the only numbers we have so far! And, tbf, two of the three big console makers are Japanese.

Helix · 19-02-2012 5:06pm

EnterNow wrote: »

Easy to blame piracy, but I'd argue piracy is more predominant on the DS. Those flash cards with 100+ games on them are being sold all over the place.

ds game sales are probably lower than those on the psp tbh

there are quite a few countries where there are more ds consoles than ds games sold

Helix · 19-02-2012 5:09pm

Kinski wrote: »

I'm not obsessing over them - they're really the only numbers we have so far! And, tbf, two of the three big console makers are Japanese.

doesnt matter if they're japanese or not really, their main markets are outside japan nowadays, yet there's always this thing about japanese sales numbers being indicative of success. they're not. they're largely irrelevant (populations of just over 1.04 billion in europe and the states compared to 127 million in japan)

Big Knox · 19-02-2012 8:56pm

So lads any heads up on good deals? Im pre-ordered on amazon but with the current conversion rate it's not really much of a saving!!

Im not mad about any of the launch titles, will prob pick up uncharted when the price drops so for now I just want the console and preferably a 16 gig memory card. Can't find any bundles that suit this though, will probably have to stick with the amazon order...

ShaneU · 19-02-2012 8:58pm

Big Knox wrote: »

So lads any heads up on good deals? Im pre-ordered on amazon but with the current conversion rate it's not really much of a saving!!

Im not mad about any of the launch titles, will prob pick up uncharted when the price drops so for now I just want the console and preferably a 16 gig memory card. Can't find any bundles that suit this though, will probably have to stick with the amazon order...

If you have a console or handheld to trade-in HMV are giving good value on them. I'm going to trade in my psp go and get the wifi model for €160

mystic86 · 19-02-2012 9:43pm

Went to the Vaults (shipping container!) demo near stephens green earlier today and stayed playing games for 70 mins.

I tried the following:

Super Stardust Delta
Virtua Tennis 4
Fifa
Ridge Racer
Frobisher says
Uncharted Golden Abyss
Gravity Rush
Wipeout 2048

That's all I can think of right now.
My favourites were Wipeout 2048, Gravity Rush and Fifa.

CiDeRmAn · 20-02-2012 4:56pm

ShaneU wrote: »

If you have a console or handheld to trade-in HMV are giving good value on them. I'm going to trade in my psp go and get the wifi model for €160

At the very least then, I'll be able to pick up a cheap, preowned PSP Go!
Awesome, been wanting one of those for emulators for ages.

ShadowHearth · 20-02-2012 5:06pm

Called a friend in GameStop. He will put away ps vita for me....

What can I say... I am weak... Will get uncharted and psn store credit. Will go mad on psp games for now!

Big Knox · 20-02-2012 5:29pm

I see Gravity Rush is going to be PSN only for eu? Any ideas on the release date? Can't find anything concrete for an eu date!!

noodler · 20-02-2012 5:57pm

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

At the very least then, I'll be able to pick up a cheap, preowned PSP Go!
Awesome, been wanting one of those for emulators for ages.

Has the PSPGO been hacked?

sarumite · 20-02-2012 6:00pm

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Called a friend in GameStop. He will put away ps vita for me....

What can I say... I am weak... Will get uncharted and psn store credit. Will go mad on psp games for now!

Lols, I remember thinking the same when I bought my PS3. A friend of mine had one and I played it once. I really couldn't afford to buy one and I had kinda fallen out of love with gaming (I think I had OD'ed on Civ and Guild Wars). I was bored at work and just decided to look at the price of PS3's on Ebay....10 minutes later I had clicked the "buy it now" and was being whizzed away to my paypal account. Weak Weak Weak!!! :pac:

ShadowHearth · 20-02-2012 6:25pm

sarumite wrote: »

Lols, I remember thinking the same when I bought my PS3. A friend of mine had one and I played it once. I really couldn't afford to buy one and I had kinda fallen out of love with gaming (I think I had OD'ed on Civ and Guild Wars). I was bored at work and just decided to look at the price of PS3's on Ebay....10 minutes later I had clicked the "buy it now" and was being whizzed away to my paypal account. Weak Weak Weak!!! :pac:

Haha! It's like: must ressist! I don't need it! It's an extra waste of money! Stop filling in the details! Don't enter that credit card number! FFs look what have you'd one now... If she will find out its no gigidi for a month!

Damn, I felt in to the trap myself... Called fella and asked to put it away now... No going back! I spend sooo much time on my iPhone web browser. I will be doing it on vita now too

GothPunk · 20-02-2012 6:59pm

noodler wrote: »

Has the PSPGO been hacked?

Yep, courtesy of the PS3 hack people were able to find a way to sign PSP .eboot files so that would run under OFW. You still need to run a homebrew loader every time you reset your PSP but it means that I have my UMD games on my PSPgo.

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