dog food review, your opinion please

falabo · 02-11-2010 12:31pm #1

Hi all

I am researching the market a little bit and was wondering what you guys think of the below, would it be good quality food?
What do you think of the ingredients?
Cheers

RESPONSE FROM SELLER WHEN I ASKED FOR THE LIST OF INGREDIENTS BEING USED
its a hypoallergenic food,this food has clondrotin and glucosamine,whitch helps to promote healty joints and also is easy on a dogs stomach,easy to digest,there is 26% human grade chicken,26% rice,maze,chicken fat,barley,beet pulp,full fat linseed,fish meal,brewers yeast,minerals,vitamins,herbs,algae,vegtables,cereals,mollusks,crustaceans,seaweed,thyme,peppermint,yukka extracts,turmeric,ginger,oregano,anlae,carron power,carob power,carob power,paprika,dandelin root,fenugreek and aloe power, this food would like most of the top brands, like Arden grange or hills,the only diffrence,you would pay 60 to 70 euros for those brands,we charge 30 euros

dahat · 02-11-2010 12:36pm

i myself have spent along time going through all brands of kibble and after many months of research i decided to feed a diet based on a RAW/BARF principle as i can myself control what my dogs are given.also it is economical as i have small breed dogs.
Is this a brand advertised on donedeal?what is the brand name?

the 26% rice is alot as rice is mainly a filler food for dogs,also the maize too is a filler
any grains are useless to dogs really as they cannot digest them at all.....

portgirl123 · 02-11-2010 12:42pm

falabo wrote: »

Hi all

I am researching the market a little bit and was wondering what you guys think of the below, would it be good quality food?
What do you think of the ingredients?
Cheers

RESPONSE FROM SELLER WHEN I ASKED FOR THE LIST OF INGREDIENTS BEING USED
its a hypoallergenic food,this food has clondrotin and glucosamine,whitch helps to promote healty joints and also is easy on a dogs stomach,easy to digest,there is 26% human grade chicken,26% rice,maze,chicken fat,barley,beet pulp,full fat linseed,fish meal,brewers yeast,minerals,vitamins,herbs,algae,vegtables,cereals,mollusks,crustaceans,seaweed,thyme,peppermint,yukka extracts,turmeric,ginger,oregano,anlae,carron power,carob power,carob power,paprika,dandelin root,fenugreek and aloe power, this food would like most of the top brands, like Arden grange or hills,the only diffrence,you would pay 60 to 70 euros for those brands,we charge 30 euros

is this the fella on done deal saying this is his own recipe? from laois i think?

andreac · 02-11-2010 12:49pm

I would question the ingredients esp when they arent even spelled correctly:rolleyes:

Cherry Blossom · 02-11-2010 12:56pm

falabo wrote: »

Hi all
I am researching the market a little bit and was wondering what you guys think of the below, would it be good quality food?
What do you think of the ingredients?
Cheers

Personally I wouldn't feed it to my dog, these are my reasons.

1. Hypoallergenic foods are generally fed to dogs with food intollerences/sensitive digestive systems and that ingredient list is so extensive that there is a higher chance of something being in there that doesn't agree with them.

2. I would want to know if the chondroitin and glucosamine were naturally occuring in the ingredients used or added from another source.

3. I would also want to see the nutritional analyis before I could tell if it was suitable for my dog.

4. Is it really necessary to have all those herbs? I'd be looking at each one in detail so would probably look at foods with less of them sooner than this one.

5. Barley and Maize, I'd be wary of, would the rice not be sufficient enough as a source of carbohydrate? I would consider Barley and Maize to be unnecessary fillers to a certain extent.

6. I'd prefer to use salmon oil as a supplement to a simpler food if it was needed than have linseed as part of the ingredient list. I would consider it a more appropriate source of oil and would have more control over the frequency and amount the dog was getting.

7. The only meat meal is fish meal and is pretty far down the list.

8. My dog is intollerant to chicken :rolleyes:

Not too sure if this is the kind of reply you are looking for but is based on how I identify suitable foods for my dog.

falabo · 02-11-2010 1:01pm

yes its the guy in laois here is the link, what do you think ?

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/dogs/1423018

dahat · 02-11-2010 1:05pm

for reasons stated in another post i wouldnt feed it.....
too many fillers and no nutrional analysis of the kibble..

@30 euro it is cost effective so this may be a factor in your decision.

ppink · 02-11-2010 1:09pm

the one thing I would be wondering is what controls are on this guy making this food?

Also I was told by a specialist vet that there is no scientific evidence to prove that glucosamine helps the joints. if anyone has any other info on that I would be interested.

dahat · 02-11-2010 1:18pm

glucosamine can help keep joints lubricated to prevent damage to the joints though as far i know it will not repair any damage caused,best to use it before damage occurs.

Cherry Blossom · 02-11-2010 1:20pm

ppink wrote: »

the one thing I would be wondering is what controls are on this guy making this food?

Also I was told by a specialist vet that there is no scientific evidence to prove that glucosamine helps the joints. if anyone has any other info on that I would be interested.

It is thought that glucosamine helps (what Dahat said ^^) joints and there is some evidence that chondroitin does but this is based on human trials not canine trials. Humans digest food and absorb nutrients differently to dogs and I would question what amounts would need to be present to make any impact.

andreac · 02-11-2010 1:29pm

Oh its Chondroitin guys, not Clondrotin:)
Sorry, that was just annoying me:D

Cherry Blossom · 02-11-2010 1:38pm

andreac wrote: »

Oh its Chondroitin guys, not Clondrotin:)
Sorry, that was just annoying me:D

Copied and pasted from the opening post due to laziness

:o

lorebringer · 02-11-2010 2:19pm

andreac wrote: »

Oh its Chondroitin guys, not Clondrotin:)
Sorry, that was just annoying me:D

Beaten to it!

OP - personally, I wouldn't feed my dogs this, mainly for the reasons "adrenalinjunkie" listed. If you are looking for a cheap food that is ok in quality (for the price) why not try here --> https://www.brendaspets.ie/catalog/dogs/dog-food/budget-foods, I don't feed it myself but have heard good things about it.

dancingqueen · 02-11-2010 2:27pm

dahat wrote: »

i myself have spent along time going through all brands of kibble and after many months of research i decided to feed a diet based on a RAW/BARF principle as i can myself control what my dogs are given.

I find your point very interesting - raw food is never always the same thing. Meat is different every time when raw because it depends on what the animal eats to make up the meat... Cooking meat makes it consistent all the time, and this is why we do it

portgirl123 · 02-11-2010 2:31pm

falabo wrote: »

yes its the guy in laois here is the link, what do you think ?

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/dogs/1423018

tell the truth think his a gangsta. rang him myself and i really dont think he has a clue. told me its ok to give same protein to working dogs as it is to toy breeds??????????. i dont know much but just bt talking to him he put me off the food. how come he charging €30 told me it was €15 or €10 if i bought a pallet

falabo · 02-11-2010 2:44pm

lol just seeing his picture I thought so too he looks like a cowboy ! lol

sral1 · 02-11-2010 2:51pm

falabo have all your dog and cat food questions answered at the Heritage hotel in Portlaoise this Sunday 7th. www.ibkca.ie

:):)

falabo wrote: »

lol just seeing his picture I thought so too he looks like a cowboy ! lol

dahat · 02-11-2010 2:57pm

dancingqueen wrote: »

I find your point very interesting - raw food is never always the same thing. Meat is different every time when raw because it depends on what the animal eats to make up the meat... Cooking meat makes it consistent all the time, and this is why we do it

cooking meats strips the meat of alot of nutrients.....
dogs can get all availible nutrients from the meat in it's raw form.
if one buy's organic grass fed meat it is consistent every time.......

I personally do not owing to expense but the two i have on a barf/raw based diet with no grains what so ever are in rude health.one of the dogs refused kibble for nearly 2 weeks and this is why i changed over to barf/raw based diet.

I will be getting full bloodwork done on both bitches in january to compare to anther dog i have who is being fed kibble only.the results will then tell me if the diet is indeed as good as early results show

Wisco · 02-11-2010 3:02pm

I'd also be pretty concerned about quality of actual ingredients, in addition to everything else all the other posters have said. How do you know it's not diseased meat, etc, if he's doing it himself.
And from what he said when you spoke to him on the phone, he sounds like a complete chancer. I'd be wanting to know what sorts of qualifications/experience he has, besides knowing how to post ads on donedeal.ie.

dahat · 02-11-2010 3:02pm

sral1 wrote: »

falabo have all your dog and cat food questions answered at the Heritage hotel in Portlaoise this Sunday 7th. www.ibkca.ie :):)

IBKCA and ROYAL CANIN

one sided advice me thinks.

sral1 · 02-11-2010 3:13pm

It is up to you to ask the questions, sitting on the ditch will get you nowhere.

dahat wrote: »

IBKCA and ROYAL CANIN
one sided advice me thinks.

Cherry Blossom · 02-11-2010 3:21pm

sral1 wrote: »

falabo have all your dog and cat food questions answered at the Heritage hotel in Portlaoise this Sunday 7th. www.ibkca.ie :):)

This comment has been popping up on every dog food thread for weeks, first time I've seen a link in it though

dahat wrote: »

IBKCA and ROYAL CANIN
one sided advice me thinks.

Agreed, don't see how a representative of Royal Canin could possibly present an unbiased view of all feasible options and opinions.

dahat wrote: »

I will be getting full bloodwork done on both bitches in january to compare to anther dog i have who is being fed kibble only.the results will then tell me if the diet is indeed as good as early results show

I would be very interested to hear more about this when the time comes. Did you have bloods done on the bitches before putting them on the Raw diet by any chance?

sral1 · 02-11-2010 3:51pm

I would rather go and meet,talk to someone face to face with quailifacations in the field.

Cherry Blossom · 02-11-2010 4:02pm

sral1 wrote: »

I would rather go and meet,talk to someone face to face with quailifacations in the field.

Personally I don't think it worth my while travelling 300 miles for the opinion of one person when I have obtained opinions from quite a few nutritionalists via telephone, e-mail, research etc, opinions of 4 vets face to face whom I know and trust. I am also interested in opinions from other pet owners, breeders etc., these being the people who know their dogs best. This provides me with balanced information with opinions from all points of view.

Then of course I have the experience of having fed my dog Royal Canin in the past which didn't do her any favours.

<ETA>

Dr. Pauline Devlin BSc(Hons), who is the Veterinary Support and Communications Manager

BSc in what exactly? That sounds like a PR role to me.

falabo · 02-11-2010 4:16pm

€25 in !!! lol so that Royla canin can sell your their food ... mad ....

sral1 · 02-11-2010 4:28pm

falabo wrote: »

€25 in !!! lol so that Royla canin can sell your their food ... mad ....

Pauline graduated in Parasitology from the University of Glasgow in 1990 and continued her studies in Immunology at the University of Nottingham. After completing her PhD she left Nottingham and spent three years at Leeds University studying the effects of genetically modified food crops on parasitic infections. She later joined the Waltham Centre for Pet Nutrition where one of her major projects was investigating the role of antioxidants in canine health and nutrition. Her passion for pets, particularly dogs, drove her to Royal Canin where she has been Veterinary Support and Communications Manager, Marketing Director and is currently Director of Scientific Communications and External Affairs. As part of her current role Pauline works closely with cat and dog professionals and vets, is an editor for the Veterinary Focus journal, active in several working groups of the UK Pet Food Manufacturer’s Association and a member of the Nutrition Group of the European Pet Food Association (FEDIAF).

Cherry Blossom · 02-11-2010 4:34pm

sral1 wrote: »

Pauline graduated . . . . .

Well thanks for clarifying that point.

dahat · 02-11-2010 5:21pm

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

Agreed, don't see how a representative of Royal Canin could possibly present an unbiased view of all feasible options and opinions.
this is totally true and how anyone can see other wise is beyond me.he is not going to recommend another brand or a raw based diet.

I would be very interested to hear more about this when the time comes. Did you have bloods done on the bitches before putting them on the Raw diet by any chance?

i didnt get them done before,regretfully.
this is why i am going to compare a kibble blood test as opposed to raw/barf based diet.

sral1 · 02-11-2010 7:36pm

So you had a dog that ate nothing for 2 weeks, how much weight did it losse

dahat wrote: »

cooking meats strips the meat of alot of nutrients.....
dogs can get all availible nutrients from the meat in it's raw form.
if one buy's organic grass fed meat it is consistent every time.......

I personally do not owing to expense but the two i have on a barf/raw based diet with no grains what so ever are in rude health.one of the dogs refused kibble for nearly 2 weeks and this is why i changed over to barf/raw based diet.

I will be getting full bloodwork done on both bitches in january to compare to anther dog i have who is being fed kibble only.the results will then tell me if the diet is indeed as good as early results show

Zapperzy · 02-11-2010 9:25pm

But how exactly would you make dog food? Surely you would need some sort of a factory or at least a few machines? Does he make it on his own property or is he buying it cheap off some company and selling it as a different brand?

portgirl123 · 02-11-2010 9:35pm

Zapperzy wrote: »

But how exactly would you make dog food? Surely you would need some sort of a factory or at least a few machines? Does he make it on his own property or is he buying it cheap off some company and selling it as a different brand?

Told me its his recipe and he pays a factory to mill it for him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dahat · 03-11-2010 5:25am

sral1 wrote: »

So you had a dog that ate nothing for 2 weeks, how much weight did it losse

quite alot tbh........she is only a small type jack russell....
tried every trick i could think of but no way was she touching kibble!
very frustrating so i changed completely the diet n she is fine now health wise.
still she fools around a bit wIth her food but gets there eventually. the anorexic one i call her!

sligopark · 03-11-2010 8:07pm

I once came on a recipe that I kept

1. Green tripe (fresh washed not bleached) - plenty main ingredient
2. Marrow again plenty
3. Lamb breast (?) and /or beef cheek / head cuts
4. Salmon belly cuts and heads
5. Green leaves - (cabbage, broccolli, lettuce - all washed)
6. Liver (fresh not pork)

all mixed (minced if wished) and to be mixed with wholemeal biscuit kibble

also read once about a chap giving his dogs eyeballs of all things as treats :eek:

sligopark · 06-11-2010 12:40am

Just got a terrier pup - any thoughts on this diet - now or the future? A bitch pup that will be well walked and spayed @ 6 months

sligopark wrote: »

I once came on a recipe that I kept

1. Green tripe (fresh washed not bleached) - plenty main ingredient
2. Marrow again plenty
3. Lamb breast (?) and /or beef cheek / head cuts
4. Salmon belly cuts and heads
5. Green leaves - (cabbage, broccolli, lettuce - all washed)
6. Liver (fresh not pork)

all mixed (minced if wished) and to be mixed with wholemeal biscuit kibble

also read once about a chap giving his dogs eyeballs of all things as treats :eek:

dahat · 06-11-2010 1:38am

never feed kibble and raw on the same day as both take different times to pass through the dog's system.

Whatever diet you choose do it right..cheap doggie nuts will only make you n your dog suffer..........

Cherry Blossom · 06-11-2010 4:04am

sligopark wrote: »

Just got a terrier pup - any thoughts on this diet - now or the future? A bitch pup that will be well walked and spayed @ 6 months

Congrats! If I am right in saying so, I think you have been looking for one for a while. Any idea what breed/s she is? If you are thinking about feeding a raw diet do plenty of research on it. I feed my terrier a dry diet, but give her a lamb shin bone every once in a while on a Sunday at lunch time, I don't feed her on Saturday evening or the Monday morning when she gets this. There is a brand name that do foods for raw diets which is frozen in the form of bags of tripe and stuff and meat patties, the name escapes me at the minute but you'd need to find a pet shop near you that stocks it.

For a dry diet I would recommend burns mini-bites until 6 months, you can keep her on this after 6 months or go for one of the Burns adult foods, the pieces in the adult food are bigger so better for their teeth.

Zapperzy · 06-11-2010 7:42pm

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

Congrats! If I am right in saying so, I think you have been looking for one for a while. Any idea what breed/s she is? If you are thinking about feeding a raw diet do plenty of research on it. I feed my terrier a dry diet, but give her a lamb shin bone every once in a while on a Sunday at lunch time, I don't feed her on Saturday evening or the Monday morning when she gets this. There is a brand name that do foods for raw diets which is frozen in the form of bags of tripe and stuff and meat patties, the name escapes me at the minute but you'd need to find a pet shop near you that stocks it.

For a dry diet I would recommend burns mini-bites until 6 months, you can keep her on this after 6 months or go for one of the Burns adult foods, the pieces in the adult food are bigger so better for their teeth.

Would it be these- http://naturesmenu.co.uk/products/Frozen_Nuggets/Frozen_Nuggets/

The protein content in them seems very low, it's different for each mix but it's between 7%-12% 7% or 8% in most of them. Id imagine if you were feeding a barf diet you made up yourself it would be much higher.

Cherry Blossom · 06-11-2010 8:12pm

Zapperzy wrote: »

Would it be these- http://naturesmenu.co.uk/products/Frozen_Nuggets/Frozen_Nuggets/

I don't think it is, I'm pretty sure the the tripe is just 100% tripe, the moistue content is 72% in the natures menu also, if you take that out the protein will be much higher as is done with dry foods. The dog will drink much less water on a raw diet and evens out that way.

It was in Jolyees, I'll have a look again next time I'm in.

sligopark · 06-11-2010 8:50pm

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

Congrats! If I am right in saying so, I think you have been looking for one for a while. Any idea what breed/s she is?

cheers - it seems she is a mongrel breed of terrier with parson, jack and even an english breed plummer in her background - looks like a terrier brown and white with a wider head than I have seen on most but still appears tiny but leggy

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

If you are thinking about feeding a raw diet do plenty of research on it.

this is my start point - right now got some baby food to 5 months from royal canine dry food that probably will be mixed with gravy and greens as I go along - noit seen burns food were I looked so far but this rc baby food is small bite sized for sure and appear much softer than a 'biscuit'

Cherry Blossom · 06-11-2010 10:25pm

sligopark wrote: »

cheers - it seems she is a mongrel breed of terrier with parson, jack and even an english breed plummer in her background - looks like a terrier brown and white with a wider head than I have seen on most but still appears tiny but leggy

this is my start point - right now got some baby food to 5 months from royal canine dry food that probably will be mixed with gravy and greens as I go along - noit seen burns food were I looked so far but this rc baby food is small bite sized for sure and appear much softer than a 'biscuit'

Pics!!

You might find anything from mild to extreme hyperactivity on the RC

. You will be the best judge of this yourself though so I'd just keep an eye out for it. There is no need to mix a complete food with anything or it will really just defeat the purpose of it, a little bit of water to start with will be fine. If you plan on changing to raw, you can't do that gradually, fast for 24 hrs then start the raw the following day and the dry food is gone completely.

Steph2010 · 16-11-2010 5:01pm

Just reading the posts about the raw petfood, I get the Natures Menu nuggets on line from www.foodforpets.ie These are the agents in Ireland for Natures Menu and prize Choice. I buy the nuggets and also feed the minced chicken and lamb. It's good stuff reasonably priced, I'm very happy with it.

dog food review, your opinion please

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